Zomblog has obtained an extremely rare copy of the first issue of Osawatomie, a newspaper published by the Weather Underground in 1975. Noteworthy passages are reproduced below, along with exact transcriptions. The full pages, with each passage in context in high resolution, are found at the bottom of this post.

Much of Osawatomie, which was written at a time when the Dohrn-Ayers wing of the Weather Underground was transitioning from terrorism to “working from the inside” for revolution, concerns itself with the need to encourage “organizers” who will work in “communities” and use “audacity” to bring about “socialism” in America.

Don’t believe me? Read the quotes for yourself, and see them in context on the full pages below.

Rather than analyze the significance of the parallels between the ideas in Osawatomie, Barack Obama’s personal history as a “community organizer,” and the strategies, slogans and goals of his campaign for the presidency, I will let you the reader decide for yourself.

  The Weather Underground Organization logo in 1975;
  the Obama for President campaign logo in 2008.

As with my earlier posts about Prairie Fire and Obama’s review of Ayers’ book, media members and bloggers are granted full permission to use the images and transcriptions on this page freely and without restriction or attribution.

Many thanks to Zomblog contributors experiencedtraveler and Sharmuta, who did the actual legwork of tracking down and obtaining this rare document.

The following quotes are scanned directly from Osawatomie, with a transcription below each image.



Revolutionaries must be organizers.


There are serious antiracist organizers building a revolutionary base in working class communities — in neighborhoods, shops, mills, mines, social institutions. There are those who are working among women, GI’s, vets, prisoners, among youth, students and the unemployed in every part of the country. There are some who have been at it for years and some who have just begun. Thousands more are needed; and each particular piece of work will have to be linked up into a whole. We need to out-organize the sophisticated and well-financed forces of George Meany, Louise Day Hicks, Ronald Reagan, George Wallace and Albert Shanker. Organizers need to crush this reactionary leadership with a revolutionized torrent of people.


But revolutionaries expect adversity, expect to be fought every inch of the way by an entrenched ruling class, expect to confront danger and demoralization and overcome it, with creativity and audacity.

Theory and ideology are important tools, and we should make study of Marxism-Leninism an important part of our work.


Organizers must be intimately aware of every problem and each injustice, and they must show that underneath each particular problem lies another problem, and another and another until you reach the system of imperialism itself. The system is designed to create problems for poor, Third World and working-class people. Organizers need to find small solutions to small problems and great solutions to great problems. Our solutions should be drastic.

We need to build a successful struggle, strong organization and a winning revolutionary party. This is a process, which will not emerge full-blown from our minds. It will emerge and change and grow from practice. We know where to begin.

It is with all this in mind that we have created OSAWATOMIE, the revolutionary voice of the Weather Underground Organization.


Left analysis is seen mainly in papers circulated among leftists, left solutions are heard mainly in meetings of the left. And what a shame! Because some of that analysis and some of those solutions make sense, describe concrete conditions, prescribe real remedies. Some of that interpretation of events could provide needed leadership in struggle. But isolated from the people, the makers of history and the carriers of change, it is useless.

The immediate task for the left is this: organize the masses of people against imperialism and for revolution. Pull together friends and comrades, whether three or thirty. Explain the roots of the current economic and social crisis. Fight for jobs and for funds for urgent relief programs. Wealth should be taken from the Pentagon budget and used to rebuild our cities, schools and hospitals.


DON’T MOURN, ORGANIZE!

Now comes a time of decision for the left. Can we overcome the small points that divide us? Can we come together to confront the enemy? Can we build a revolutionary practice firmly rooted among masses of people? Can we transform our lives in order to play our part in the developing storm?

These are the questions that press in on the left today. These are the questions because of this contradiction: millions of people are suffering from the crisis and conflicts generated by the imperialist system, and yet the left is small, dispersed and divided, not a visible force in the lives of the people. Revolutionary politics do not have a strong voice. The left is not situated to fulfill its historic mission — to focus and lead and make sense of mass discontent — to carry the present situation to its furthest limits.


… the system itself is inhuman, and socialism is a real alternative; the energy crisis is the fault of Rockefeller and the oil companies, not the Arab people; unemployment is caused by capitalism not “illegal aliens” stealing jobs; war in Indochina or the Mideast is part of the problem, not the solution; political and social action can change things.


… the Weather Underground Organization’s development. Like all our work, OSAWATOMIE is guided by a commitment to struggle, a determination to fight the enemy, the certainty that we will see revolution in our lifetime


Here are the cover and three interior pages from the first issue of Osawatomie, from which all the the excerpts depicted above were taken. Click on each image to see it in high resolution:





Addendum:

Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn have recently written a new book, Race Course Against White Supremacy, which will be published in June, 2009:

In the center of the book’s cover is a hidden design which seems to be an homage to their Weather Underground logo of years past:

Note: The newspaper Osawatomie was named after abolitionist John Brown, whose nickname was Osawatomie Brown. (Commemorative t-shirts here.) John Brown is one of the two figures on the cover of Ayers and Dohrn’s new book.

203 Responses to “Osawatomie: the Weather Underground newspaper”

  1. 1Sharmuta on Nov 1, 2008 at 3:08 pm:

    I loved the part about “magical solutions” too- that’s a knee-slapper in the middle of the jaw dropping.

      

  2. 2Thanos on Nov 1, 2008 at 3:25 pm:

    Well done all, and I think there’s more out there in similar vein. IIRC, wasn’t there also a segment on SDS, the Black Panthers, or WUO in the Whole Earth Catalog that listed resources? I found this for instance:

    http://www.wholeearth.com/issue/2003/article/316/survival.programs.of.the.black.panther.party
    and this

    http://www.wholeearth.com/issue/2003/article/315/introduction.-.all.power.to.the.people

    I believe there is more out there

      

  3. 3Hal on Nov 1, 2008 at 3:34 pm:

    Is there any way you could make this entire article available for downloading, regardless of any format you choose? I encourage evryone to link to this. I certainly will, becaue this message needs to get out.

    I appreciate the hard work you people are doing.

    Hal

      

  4. 4Thanos on Nov 1, 2008 at 3:43 pm:

    Also found this interesting background on some in SDS who are pissed at Ayers/Dohrn — first search on “Jesse Lemisch”

    Also this PDF

    http://www.plp.org/pamphlets/who_are_the_bombers.pdf

    Found at this blog:

    http://challengenewspaper.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/bill-ayers-never-a-radical/

      

  5. 5ArmyWife on Nov 1, 2008 at 3:44 pm:

    Great work guys and gals (and its). The imagery is incredible, the words horrifying. Please let this speak loudly and clearly to those who have stuck their collective heads in the sand.

      

  6. 6Dr. Shalit on Nov 1, 2008 at 3:58 pm:

    Bagged, tagged and COLD BUSTED. Good Job ZOM.

      

  7. 7devil in baggy pants on Nov 1, 2008 at 4:11 pm:

    The logo similarity is the tell… narcissisitic bastards just couldn’t resist.

      

  8. 8Claire on Nov 1, 2008 at 4:26 pm:

    I can’t believe we are at this point where it’s 3 days away and NOBODY so far has been able to ask Obama what he thinks of Marxism, Socialism, his father being a socialist, his Cousin Odinga being a socialist, what he thinks of the tenets of Black Liberation Theology, which parts does he agree with, which parts does he reject, does he think white people are responsible for all the ills in the world, does he think the US is imperialist, are community organizers generally socialististic, how far can that be taken, does he think monetary reparations needed to be done in the 60′s, does he think they need to be done today, how much is enough and how do you measure that, how does he explain the rise of the poor class after welfare was reformed and why would he want to bring that back? Or anything else along these lines.

    Gahh- This whole election is horrifying.

      

  9. 9BirdFLU on Nov 1, 2008 at 4:30 pm:

    I think use of the word “audacity” is the tell. Seriously, it’s not a very common word. Some Lexis-Nexis wiz should check on “audacity -Obama” and see how infrequently it is used.

      

  10. 10Ken on Nov 1, 2008 at 4:45 pm:

    “Coincidence? The image on the left shows the Weather Underground Organization logo in 1975, and the Obama for President campaign logo in 2008″

    Oh, give me a break…

    This is getting ridiculous.

    Zombie is slowly turning into one of those paranoiacs who think they see the Free Mason logo everywhere, but in this case it’s the Weathermen, not the Masons. What’s the difference between the stupid ramblings of some “9-11 Truth” idiot and these last few essays that are seemingly obsessed with a conspiracy between The Weathermen and Obama to bring Socialism to America?

    When is the old Zombietime coming back?

      

  11. 11Dave Surls on Nov 1, 2008 at 4:59 pm:

    “Coincidence? The image on the left shows the Weather Underground Organization logo in 1975, and the Obama for President campaign logo in 2008″

    I must be missing something. Other than both being circular (well, sort of circular for the WUO symbol), and both being partly red, I don’t see any similarity.

      

  12. 12ledger on Nov 1, 2008 at 5:12 pm:

    Do to agree that the word “audacity” sounds like something Obama would write.

    I see the a pattern:

    1. Create a economic crisis, divide and anger people.
    2. Promise “retribution” of the wealth to the “poor.”
    3. Use other people’s money to gain power.

    That seems to be the same tactic Obama and his minions have taken. Obama is a socialist.

      

  13. 13Mr. E. Train on Nov 1, 2008 at 5:26 pm:

    Thanks for all the work Zombie.

    But I think nothing with change any Obama voters. They are going to vote with their heart, not their head. The man as obtained a sort of cult statis among those that back him. Those that view him as ‘The One’ hate republicans so much they would vote for a pet rock if it had a D next to its name.

    This means that there is no talking to these people. There’s just no point. There’s no fact, no bit of evidence, no argument that you could make that would persuade them from voting for Barry. The LA Times could release the video, and it could have Obama clubbing baby harp seals while talking about how he is going to burn down the White House and it wouldnt hurt him in the polls at all.

    That leaves the ‘undecided voter’, but I believe there is no such animal. To my mind, those that tell pollsters that they are undecided are lying. Either that or they are morons who havent been paying attention and are unlikely to vote anyways. We can only hope that Barry’s habit of closing badly continues.

    Im just nibbling at the bottom edge of the middle class and Id hate to think what might happen with The One in the White House and super majorities in both houses. Having that crew in power at this difficult economic junctor would be like having a hyper, dyslexic 9 year old piloting a 747 during a thunderstorm.

      

  14. 14Concerned on Nov 1, 2008 at 5:35 pm:

    Does this scare the crap out of anyone else besides me?
    WHERE IS OUR MSM on this? How do we get this out to the rest of the nation?

      

  15. 15James on Nov 1, 2008 at 5:36 pm:

    Every President will try and reshape the country into the image of his values. That’s what leaders do once they get into power.

    A person’s values do not appear at random overnight. They are a product of his life, an accumulation of the evolution of his ideas, attitudes, past associations and activities.

    If we want to get an idea of a potential President’s agenda for America, we must know more about his values. Thus it is perfectly reasonable to conduct a thorough investigation into his past. Those who believe this is nothing more than a “smear” are naive enough to think that the things a candidate says to promote himself during an election campaign are sufficient to discern the intentions and the character of that candidate. They are not.

    Obama isn’t stupid enough to stand behind a podium and say “behold, it is I who will transform America into a socialist state.” But once elected, he sure as hell can point us toward that future. He can do the groundwork, lay the foundations. Step one is to do as much as possible toward sowing the collectivist meme throughout the populace. You can bet your ass that our media and our institutions of learning will do everything they can to help him – they sure as hell have done everything they can to attack capitalism and individualism for the last few decades. To what extent will a President like Obama embolden them to step up their attacks?

    Socialists know that the time has passed for a “violent overthrow” of the system. The proletariat they had hoped would help them have been made far too comfortable by the spoils of capitalism to rise up. Thus, the socialists changed their strategy.

    They figured that the best way to provoke change would be to persuade the population that the country they live in is inherently evil, mean and oppressive and that the only way out of this “hell” is going to be by adopting the agenda of the left. Hence, socialists are relentless in their promotion of the idea that America is a racist state. Racism is an emotive subject which socialists use as bait to attract the minds of the masses. For the last few decades they have, through their agents and sympathizers in education and the media, hammered home the idea that racism is the greatest force of evil in history and the biggest obstacle to achieving peace and prosperity.

    I live in New York City. Every single time I’ve happened across a protest march that was about racism – most recently the Sean Bell protests – I’ve noticed that the entire march has been sponsored by local communist and socialist groups, who provide banners with their logo and slogans like “end racist police brutality – embrace communism.”

    Racism is one of many forms of evil that comprise a “package deal” of evil that they associate with (blame on) capitalism. So: racism, sexism, paternalism, nationalism, religious intolerance (mainly anti-Muslim) and every other favorite left wing “ism” is blamed on the fact that we have a free economy. If only we could smash that economic system and take power out of the hands of the inherently evil capitalists then we could solve all of those problems.

    They have done such a bang-up job of promoting this nonsense among young “politically aware” people that it’s not uncommon to hear the following when engaged in debate with one of them: “what do you have against socialism? Are you a racist?” They’ve been trained to make absurd connections like these so that whenever they hold the concept of capitalism in their heads, a whole package deal of evil surrounds it.

    Now we have the prospect of a time-served socialist for President, whose race the left believe is a factor in his ability to “heal our racial divisions.” Anyone who disagrees is a racist, of course. Probably a capitalist, too.

    As for Ayers, the question is not so much “what does Obama see in Ayers,” but “what does Ayers see in Obama?” A man whose entire adult life has been devoted to smashing the capitalist system and replacing it with socialism, values the mindset and ambition of Barack Obama to the extent that he held a party in his home to launch his political career. When William Ayers takes it upon himself to celebrate the launch of a career in politics, we should be very weary of that person. When that person has a very good chance of becoming the President of the United States of America, we should do everything we can to stop him.

    Does anyone seriously think that Obama talks to his radical buddies in the same middle-of-the-road, centrist “I’m just another Clinton” way that he talks to the U.S. electorate? Of course he doesn’t. They talk of their great excitement in finally having the chance to lay the foundations of socialism on top of the bedrock of individual liberty and economic freedom which they hope to bury eventually. They’re planting seeds, is what they’re doing. And with a liberal supermajority, they won’t face much opposition.

      

  16. 16IslandLibertarian on Nov 1, 2008 at 5:48 pm:

    Another link in the chains that might bind us…….if ZerO wins.

      

  17. 17zombie on Nov 1, 2008 at 6:06 pm:

    13 Mr. E. Train said:
    “Thanks for all the work Zombie.

    But I think nothing with change any Obama voters. They are going to vote with their heart, not their head. The man as obtained a sort of cult statis among those that back him. Those that view him as ‘The One’ hate republicans so much they would vote for a pet rock if it had a D next to its name.

    This means that there is no talking to these people. There’s just no point.

    That leaves the ‘undecided voter’, but I believe there is no such animal.”

    I don’t entirely agree with you. Yes, ~42% of the populace will vote for Obama even if he murdered the Dalai Lama live on national TV. And ~42% will vote Republican simply because that’s what they always do. Of the remaining 16% of “persuadables,” ,maybe 7% have gone for Obama, and 3% for McCain. That leaves 6% undecided. It is that 6% that I am targeting with this post — not the Obama true-believers, not the die-hard Republicans. I’m also hoping to reach some of the 7% who have chosen Obama for various non-intellectual reasons.

    A certain, very small percentage of people vote for candidates based on “gut feelings” or other completely non-informational reasons. I’m trying to, in some small way, change the tone of the perceived infoscape for such people. I think this election will come down to the wire, and if I can affect even 1/10th of 1% of voters with this post, then I have done my best. That may be the margin of difference, for all we know.

      

  18. 18Karridine on Nov 1, 2008 at 6:14 pm:

    “…we should make study of Marxism-Leninism an important part of our work…’

    Uhm, okay for YOU, Obama, but America will pass! It can’t get much clearer than this, eh?

    /good work, Zomboid One…

      

  19. 19Myeah on Nov 1, 2008 at 6:16 pm:

    Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

      

  20. 20Elseedeo on Nov 1, 2008 at 6:40 pm:

    The problem all these stupid people, self-hating whites like Ayers, he should be locked up not passing on his madness to create another fucking generation of self-hating whites. There is not a movie of the week telling the tale of the evils of communism like there is with Hitler and his Holocaust.

      

  21. 21rob on Nov 1, 2008 at 6:42 pm:

    Good Job, Zombie!!!

    I’m a WWII baby (orphaned, and poor), and I’ve been watching the Billy and Bernie show ever since the ’60s. I wrote them off then as just trust-fund babies who wanted to tell everybody else what to do, until I watched them destroy the lives of people I loved. They’re punks and parasites living off their parents’ money – still. If you ever wonder what the hell happened to this great country in the ’60s, you need look no further than the spoiled angry lefties like these two, believe me. It was really a sickening and discouraging time to try to raise a child.

    There are lots of other reasons to mistrust and fear the 0bama vision, but for my money the association with Ayers and Dohrn is plenty.

    Keep it up!

      

  22. 22Luv2Skydive on Nov 1, 2008 at 6:47 pm:

    [IMG]http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p229/Lurv2Skydive/overlay.jpg[/IMG]
    http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p229/Lurv2Skydive/overlay.jpg

      

  23. 23Melendez-Rios on Nov 1, 2008 at 7:00 pm:

    I note that a picture of “Osawatamie John Brown” is also on the cover of their new book.

    (Wikipedia: “Despite being defeated, Brown’s bravery and military shrewdness in the face of overwhelming odds brought him national attention and made him a hero to many Northern abolitionists, who gave him the nickname “Osawatomie Brown”.)

      

  24. 24Melendez-Rios on Nov 1, 2008 at 7:16 pm:

    “I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with Blood.”

    –(“Osawatomie Brown”)

      

  25. 25SH on Nov 1, 2008 at 7:17 pm:

    Thanks to all of you for your hard work. Wow, just wow.
    I got to thinking, Obama has a hidden background image at his official site. It looks like a seal much like the Great Seal of the United States. Instead of 13 arrows(which the official seal shows) only 1 arrow is present and it appears to be piercing the shield. The eagle?(weird looking bird) is facing backwards and the wheat appears to be falling away.

    Underground logo – one arrow
    Obama seal? – one arrow

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194616.php

      

  26. 26Manny K on Nov 1, 2008 at 7:25 pm:

    Seriously? It seems like Obama derangement syndrome has arrived here.

    The word “audacity” and “organizer” suggest that Obama is a crypto-Ayers-epigone? You know that “audacity of hope” is from Rev. Wright, right? So is the idea that they’re all part of a secret cabal and they use secret code words like “audacity” for . . . for what reason now? So that people like Zombie can crack the Commie Code? I guess it’s kind of like when the ZOG uses the yellow fringed flag to indicate that we are actually under military rule.

    Please return to planet earth after the election.

      

  27. 27Donna on Nov 1, 2008 at 7:47 pm:

    I am a poor white woman that doesnt believe in “something for nothing!” I dont believe in wealth redistribution. I dont want what is someone else’s! God Gives us life; He gives us a brain to use to decide what to do with our lives! I used mine, My Way, Far from being wealthy,but i am happy with life. I didnt waste my life feeling sorry for myself and do DRUGS,I didnt lay Drunk, drowning my sorrows and wallowing in self pity! If one has a backbone and the will to make it in this life, they will succeed! NOoooooooobama!!!!!!!!

      

  28. 28Dave C on Nov 1, 2008 at 7:51 pm:

    Kudos to you for your find..

      

  29. 29spiderperson on Nov 1, 2008 at 7:58 pm:

  30. 30Joe on Nov 1, 2008 at 8:11 pm:

    Nice work! But as others have said, N0bama supporters have drank too much of the Kool-Aid being passed around by “the chosen one” himself.

    But I dont think all hope is lost, I think on election day, people will realize what is happening and vote for McCain. I really hope there are enough decent (racist?) people out there that will not vote for “the chosen one”

    God help us all!

      

  31. 31ChenZhen on Nov 1, 2008 at 8:18 pm:

    I don’t suppose that it occurred to you guys that the Obama campaign logo might have been created by people that had nothing to do with the Weather Underground.

      

  32. 32jpe on Nov 1, 2008 at 8:25 pm:

    This is great comedy. Keep up the good work, guys!

      

  33. 33cbinflux on Nov 1, 2008 at 8:30 pm:

    Good work o’all, but the icons comparison is really quite a stretch.

      

  34. 34mcnorman on Nov 1, 2008 at 8:52 pm:

    excellent work thank you for sharing

      

  35. 35aleks on Nov 1, 2008 at 9:28 pm:

    I shouldn’t get an ego boost out of being reminded that there are people this much less intelligent than myself, but I do, so thank you guys for being those people.

      

  36. 36RedVoter on Nov 1, 2008 at 9:53 pm:

    No, it’s not about some conspiracy or “code”. These are the people, the type of mindset, which Obama sought out. The words, the rhetoric, the agenda are all shared by the very people who had a heavy influence on Obama’s belief system and world view. If these are the type of people who inspired him and influenced him, then we have reason for concern. At the very least he sees this country as fundamentally flawed (he said as much about the constitution in that Radio interview) and when he says “change”, he really means it, but at an exponential level. I do not believe he wants a revolution or anything like that, but I do believe he wants some major changes to the Constitution, such as an Economic Bill of Rights Wilson and FDR wanted to pursue years ago. And I can easily see him trying to stack the Supreme Court with judges sympathetic to this cause, something else FDR tried to do. He is a radical at his core.

      

  37. 37FOM on Nov 1, 2008 at 9:53 pm:

    Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!!! Man, that was some funny shizznit. Thanks guys.

      

  38. 38Robert on Nov 1, 2008 at 10:23 pm:

    Hilarious! Obama’s logo looks _nothing_ like the Weather Underground logo. _Nothing_ All they have in common is that they’re circular – as are tens of thousands of logos. Obama’s logo is _far_ more like the Pepsi logo for chrissakes.

    http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS291&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=pepsi%20logo&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

    Please.

    Grow up.

      

  39. 39David H Dennis on Nov 1, 2008 at 10:28 pm:

    It’s tough to get access to Lexis/Nexis without paying the big bucks, but there’s nothing wrong with giving Google a try.

    Once you eliminate references to Obama and a popular audio editing program called Audacity, there are about 2,400,000 references to Audacity on the web.

    By comparison, there are 630,000,000 references to Hope on the web.

    Of course Hope has the horrible disadvantage of being a person’s name and I don’t think there’s any reasonable way to filter out all those uses. But still, the point is well taken. Another comparison might be with another adjective like amazing. There are 39,000,000 instances of that on the web.

    There are over a billion references to Change. Change also has a lot of meanings, from changing times to the change you get back from your grocer.

    As another commenter has said, though, how can we really consider this as a link to Ayers if Barack got the words from Reverend Wright’s sermon? As far as I know, Ayers is not religious and from available evidence doesn’t seem to hold religion in particularly high esteem. Admittedly the political views of Rev. Wright’s church are remarkably similar to Ayers’. It would be interesting to see if any links could be found.

    I agree with those who think the Obama logo is not all that similar to the Weather Underground logo. But I’m not going to be too negative towards Zombie. For one thing, it’s only a bit after Halloween and he might eat my brains. For another, I think he’s done impressive work in unearthing these documents and they are very interesting and enlightening to read.

    I don’t think you have to believe Obama got his ideas from the Weather Underground in order to understand the significance of the Ayers connection in his political education and views. It seems like Obama’s involvement in the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and his support of Ayers’ Local School Council initiatives are sufficient to understand that he was at least highly sympathetic towards Ayers’ radical goals. Those goals are essentially anti-education and very much against improvement in skills, while Annenberg’s goals were to improve skills. Ayers’ views won because Annenberg wasn’t paying the attention they should have to where their money was going.

    It makes me feel very bad about Obama that he supported an anti-education education initiative! This shows a severe error of judgement on his part or (more likely) a belief that racial and ethnic factors are more important than improving actual skills. If Obama does become President I believe he will force similar programs on schools, most likely knocking school progress back decades. That alone is reason enough to oppose the man.

    Hope that was interesting.

    D

      

  40. 40Lee P. on Nov 1, 2008 at 10:41 pm:

    I agree that the logo comparison is a stretch, but the rest of it… scares the sh!t outa me!

    Like this part:
    “… the system itself is inhuman, and socialism is a real alternative; the energy crisis is the fault of Rockefeller and the oil companies, not the Arab people; unemployment is caused by capitalism not “illegal aliens” stealing jobs; war in Indochina or the Mideast is part of the problem, not the solution; political and social action can change things.”

    OMG!
    In 1975!

      

  41. 41Macker on Nov 1, 2008 at 11:13 pm:

    Dang zombie! How fast can you convert this issue into a PDF?

      

  42. 42Terry on Nov 1, 2008 at 11:20 pm:

    If your so worried about connections look into the connection between Gordon Liddy, convicted felony, domestic terrorist, proposed kidnapper(got caught before he could do it) and 100 percent involved in the watergate scandal. I’ll save you the trouble McCain told David Letterman that he considers Gordon Liddy a very good friend. That really scares me.

      

  43. 43smithee on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:27 am:

    God you Freepers are a barrel of laughs. Keep it up, deluded Republicans keeps the election light.

      

  44. 44NH on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:39 am:

    Just Sick… Obama is JUST SICK!

      

  45. 45NH on Nov 2, 2008 at 1:10 am:

    What’s a freeper?

      

  46. 46Chris on Nov 2, 2008 at 1:11 am:

    Maybe Ayers wrote Obama’s books for him. He is the ghost writer. Lots of similarities in the writings and words.

      

  47. 47Ashley on Nov 2, 2008 at 1:18 am:

    So I’ve decided that Barack read this publication back in the day and “saw the light”. He’s been following their lead since day one, and Bill Ayers was more than happy to be help him along the way.

      

  48. 48antiObama on Nov 2, 2008 at 1:37 am:

    You’ve performed a real service posting this. Thanks.

      

  49. 49Mr. Sandman on Nov 2, 2008 at 2:09 am:

    It looks like you and Charles from LGF are a good deal panicked and flustered as you see the impending election-day train speeding your way, and no way to avoid it. I looked at some your stuff before, and had a measure of respect for you, as you seemed somewhat intelligent and reasoned, but that respect is now flushed down the toilet (along with the respect I once had for McCain, and along with his honor, as he’s run the most vile, in fact dangerous presidential campaign in American political history). Charles from LGF paradoxically eschews and condemns paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories such as rumors regarding Obama’s birth certificate being forged and what have you. I say paradoxically because now in his panic he has approvingly linked to this garbage article of yours, with its ridiculous insinuations that Obama is the Weather Underground’s Manchurian Candidate. Good grief. How desperate and pathetic.

    You know you are desperate and just fabricating a loony conspiracy theory in the last-minute, flailing-arms hope of confusing and raising doubts in some gullible voters. I know this to be the case since you essentially admit to this this tactic in your comments at LGF. For instance,

    LGF member DisgustingOratory: “You see the arch symbol a lot in New Age stuff too. I tried to make the connection, but the symbol seems to have come from a respectable marketing firm with not too much input from Obama himself.”

    Zombie: “I’m sure that’s probably true. But at this stage of the game, the only thing left that will reach the undecideds are *visuals* — words and facts are probably beyond the capacity of these people.”

    DisgustingOratory: “That [Obama's logo and the Weather Underground logo juxtaposed] gave me chills.”

    Zombie: ” *That* is the reaction I’m looking for. Just a gut-level uneasiness. Something to make anyone pause before pulling that lever for Obama. Something non-verbal — something to give you chills.”

    So by your own words you are trying to fool the “stupids” into voting for McCain on the basis of irrational fear. You really *are* a Republican! You are inventing propaganda you know to be false, absurd, and slanderous in your desperate last-ditch assault on Obama. You are an admitted liar, and this behavior is truly reprehensible.

      

  50. 50Dave Surls on Nov 2, 2008 at 2:35 am:

    “that respect is now flushed down the toilet”

    I reckon that’s exactly where Obamabot “respect” belongs.

      

  51. 51jmack on Nov 2, 2008 at 5:05 am:

    Wow, it’s a good thing I wasn’t drinking something when I read this post; I would have ruined my keyboard and monitor with the spit take.

      

  52. 52Bobbi on Nov 2, 2008 at 5:08 am:

    while I don’t underestimate the connection of ayers and Obama, it as been suggested that the logo also looks like the Muslim rising Moon over a river of death. since Dr khalil al-Masoiud funded obama’s Harvard law shcool, I believe in Obama you see the merging of Marxism and Islam, much like that of his cousin Reile Odingo.
    according to several writing experts, Obama’s books were ghost written by bill ayers anyway.

      

  53. 53kat in your hat on Nov 2, 2008 at 5:18 am:

    History of Osawatomie, Kansas. (No other Osawatomie in US) It was the site of abolitionist John Brown who stood against slavery, and he came with guns.
    http://www.osawatomieks.org/index.asp?nid=128

    WIKI:
    John Brown (May 9, 1800 – December 2, 1859) was an American abolitionist who advocated and practiced armed insurrection as a means to end all slavery. He led the Pottawatomie Massacre in 1856 in Bleeding Kansas and the unsuccessful raid at Harpers Ferry in 1859.

    President Abraham Lincoln said he was a “misguided fanatic” and Brown has been called “the most controversial of all 19th-century Americans.”[1] His attempt in 1859 to start a liberation movement…

    Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)

      

  54. 54kat in your hat on Nov 2, 2008 at 5:29 am:

    From “The Real Barack Obama”

    Osawatomie: the Weather Underground newspaper (Issues 1 and 2)
    http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/osawatomie-the-weather-underground-newspaper-issues-1-and-2/

    LOOK.

      

  55. 55Spoodles on Nov 2, 2008 at 6:34 am:

    I don’t see much similarity between the logos. Maybe you’re reaching a little bit on that? But I do certainly see a lot of similarity between Obama’s “community organizing” and rhetoric and the rhetoric of the Weather Underground. That’s a no-brainer, I should think.

      

  56. 56Jim Treacher on Nov 2, 2008 at 6:55 am:

    “This is getting ridiculous.”

    Yeah, people will go to any lengths to rationalize away Obama’s socialism.

      

  57. 57Obama insider on Nov 2, 2008 at 7:28 am:

    The new Obama sysmbol represents sunset for Amerika with the American flag being trampled into the ground. WAKE UP!

      

  58. 58Dominique on Nov 2, 2008 at 8:10 am:

    Thank you for this information.

    Time is short and of the essence so I am cross-posting this to my blog. I have given you credit and sourced your information as well as linked to this post.

    Again, thank I thank all of your for your hard work.

      

  59. 59Sharmuta on Nov 2, 2008 at 8:14 am:

    Mr Sandman- any comment on the actual text of this document?

      

  60. 60obamatomie on Nov 2, 2008 at 8:37 am:

    I never stopped to analyze why, but the Obama logo has always bugged me on a subconscious level. It doesn’t make any sense graphically, and visually it’s not very aesthetic. I’ve worked with type and fonts, designed logos, etc., and I can’t grasp how this logo evolved from the O that it supposedly represents. What do the stripes represent? If the US flag, then where’s the field of stars? Or has The One white circle/star replaced all the other 49? If it’s just an O, then why is half of it obscured by the stripes?

    I looked up what it meant: The stripes are farmland, the blue is the sky above, and the white circle is the morning sun, which connotes hope. OK, I can see the stripes as waves of grain, but the circle to me looks like the moon, which connotes Islam. A rising sun is not white. I don’t care if the logo colors have to be red, white and blue.

    So to understand and appreciate this logo, you have to have read the explanation. The man is really full of himself. He can’t just have a simple logo that stands for his name. No, he has to have a little micro-sermon that preaches at us every time we glimpse it.

      

  61. 61Jan Rhodes on Nov 2, 2008 at 8:51 am:

    There is a mountain of written evidence, written by Obama himself, that tell us
    all about his plan to make this country a Socialist Nation. The Intelligent people
    of America will vote against Obama. The rest of the people have their head in the sand, so naive that they will believe anything he says, no matter how stupid
    that may be. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie, and it can be
    proven, emphatically, but even when the written evidence is displayed, his zombies
    will not even look. I don’t know why half of America has gone looney. (They must be the homeless people we hear about being taken to the polls by Acorn.)

    That is just one thought, as I know not all of them are homeless. Some
    of them are living in mansions and giving very little to charity, yet complaining
    that we working people won’t give most of our hard earned money to someone
    else, who doesn’t work or pay taxes.

    Obama doesn’t even help his own brother, aunt or any of his relatives.
    Yet, I am an 81 year old woman, still working and earning money, and I am
    supporting a 49 year old daughter who has Multiple Sclerosis, and her daughter
    who is in college, and I am maintaining a home which is 45 years old. Can you guess how hard that is, since I had no savings. I lost that in the real estate market in the late 1980′s, thanks to Pres. Carter and his double digit interest rates. I began work at age 16 and still going.

    There is so much to talk about that I don’t have the time at this moment,
    but I want to thank you for your work about the Weather Underground, Obama’s
    world view which came from all of his weird friends, all of his life.

      

  62. 62Tom Bell on Nov 2, 2008 at 9:27 am:

    Bill Ayers is not one more funny uncle rattling around Barack’s attic like Wright, Pfleger, Marshall Davis, Rezko, Auchi, Davidson, Khalidi, al-Mansour, ACORN, and so on. It was no coincidence that after laying low for decades Ayers resurfaced onto the national scene precisely on 9/11/01. In his NYT interview “No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives,” which he knew would be published on that infamous day, he said he regretted that his own bombings of the Pentagon and the Capitol building were not enough and that he wished he had done more. His founding philosophy for the Weatherman organization is quoted there: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents.” From his memoir: “Big buildings and wide streets, cement and steel were no longer permanent. They, too, were fragile and destructible. A torch, a bomb, a strong enough wind, and they, too, would come undone or get knocked down.” His wife, Dohrn, has had much worse to say.

    That interview’s release date was to let people know in time that he was the one who, using his Middle East connections, organized the new bombings that day in Washington (though the Capitol assault was thwarted by heroic passengers). The attacks on the Twin Towers that day were his gift to his more doctrinaire Marxist admirers and, he hoped, would lead eventually to the financial decline of the West, thus ending Capitalism. And it was during that time, using his radical education contacts and his local Chicago political/religious/legal connections and his loaned literary skill, that he was maneuvering his protege Obama onto the fast track into the White House–and now here we are!

      

  63. 63Andy on Nov 2, 2008 at 9:36 am:

    Now I see, Ayers is the brainchild of Starbucks. Obviously, the circular logo for Starbucks had to come from somewhere. And Starbucks always emphasizes “bold” (audacious) flavor.

    Seriously, how many other books has Ayers written?? I bet you can use Google, search for “audacity,” and expose thousands of phony, socialist authors — and the next step is revealing all their sleeper cells.

    You really are THE Zombie master!

      

  64. 64Greg on Nov 2, 2008 at 9:42 am:

    Thankfully, during the Obama presidency, you folks will all be able to afford prescriptions to Xanax.

      

  65. 65Bob McCarty on Nov 2, 2008 at 10:06 am:

    Time is running out! Spread the word with these Ten Reasons NOT to Elect Barack Obama in 2008.

      

  66. 66ChenZhen on Nov 2, 2008 at 10:32 am:

    Sharmuta

    Mr Sandman- any comment on the actual text of this document?

    Ahh..so no rebuttal to what Sandman posted? Its understandable, he skewered Zombie pretty good (for the record, the link to Zombie’s rather revealing comment is here.)

    But I’ll take a stab for ya Sharm. As far as the actual text is concerned, pointing out the words “audacity” and “organizing” is just as flimsy and pathetic as pointing out two circular logos.

    So much for the “citizen journalist” cred. Hope it was worth it Zombie.

      

  67. 67Dave Surls on Nov 2, 2008 at 11:57 am:

    “Ahh..so no rebuttal to what Sandman posted?”

    It was mainly just a lot of invective, not worth responding to, except for kicks. Zombie’s point is is that the Obamabots and the Weathermen sound a lot alike, which is pretty much true.

    “… the system itself is inhuman, and socialism is a real alternative; the energy crisis is the fault of Rockefeller and the oil companies, not the Arab people; unemployment is caused by capitalism not “illegal aliens” stealing jobs; war in Indochina or the Mideast is part of the problem, not the solution; political and social action can change things.”

    Same sort of drivel one hears from the leftoid Obamabots these days, with a few buzzwords changed.

    Don’t see much similarity between the logos though.

      

  68. 68DavidC on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:05 pm:

    #63

    I think you’ve hit on it….by accident.

    They’ve been putting Obama-Aid in all those damn Lattes—all this time.

      

  69. 69zombie on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:16 pm:

    #49 Mr. Sandman and #66 ChenZhen:

    I see nothing wrong, shameful, embarrassing or discrediting about me trying to communicate visually with the kind of voters who respond to visual cues. In fact, a great deal of Obama’s campaign imagery revolves around that exact concept.

    Let’s see if I can put it more clearly for you: There are many many many policy reasons to not vote for Obama in this election; and such reasons have been spelled out extensively by countless writers and analysts. I dislike his approach to foreign policy; I hate his nanny-state domestic plans; I think he will intentionally or unintentionally cripple the economy, I think he will encourage America’s enemies worldwide by being too “soft” militarily; he will promote “social justice” educational programs which are little more than indoctrination; and so on and so on. I could list reasons all day.

    But if a voter at this stage of the campaign remains “undecided,” then they obviously aren’t paying attention to facts or policy statements. If you’re a leftist, you like Obama for these policies and will vote for him. If you’re not a leftist, you hate his policies and will not vote for him. And if you’re a single-issue voter (abortion/guns/etc.) you’ve already made your choice as well. After all that, who remains? Very few people. And those people are very hard to decipher — because they don’t make decisions based on hard, solid information. They apparently make their decisions on impressions, or gut feelings.

    The Obama campaign, and its supporters, targets such voters directly when they depict Obama as a saint, or with a halo, or having a presidential seal, or being messianic, and so on. None of those campaign strategies are fact-based, or have any connection to reality. Such strategies exist solely to reach the “feeling”-based electorate.

    So when I glue together the Weather Underground logo and the Obama logo — which, by the way, is a minor aspect of my report — I do so to appeal to the same group of voters. To put a seed of unease in their brains about Obama.

    It is no different than any of the pro-Obama propaganda imagery that has been floating around for months. In fact, mine is at least based in fact, because those are in fact their logos.

    What you both are saying, essentially, is: We are allowed to have non-informational propaganda imagery to promote our candidate, but you, zombie, are not allowed to produce non-informational imagery that will damage Obama’s image. When we create propaganda, it certainly doesn’t damage our credibility, for we are above criticism; but when you produce something to puncture our propaganda, it damages your credibility.

    Typical double standard.

    If you think I’m no longer credible because I pointed out similarities between the Weather Underground’s statements in the past, and the words and images of the modern Left (as embodied by Obama), then you are free to seek entertainment elsewhere on the Web.

      

  70. 70Shazam! on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:25 pm:

    Google the Great Seal of the State of Ohio …. MORE similarity! Does it never end? As for the word “audacity” being uncommon … almost every day I say to my husband and/or daughter …. “You have the AUDACITY to ……. Didn’t ger my exercise this morning, so thanks for the “stretch.”

      

  71. 71Parispugs1 on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:38 pm:

    This is great. Awesome research!! Amazing!!

      

  72. 72buzzsawmonkey on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:40 pm:

    I don’t see how ChenZhen manages to establish that the people who developed Obama’s logo “have nothing to do with the Weather Underground.”

    On what basis does he assert this?

      

  73. 73IslandLibertarian on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:41 pm:

    Perhaps the similarity between the logos is a coincidence.
    The connection to Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Khalidi, ACORN, etc. is a fact.
    And lets not forget $100million of other peoples money wasted on radical left wing socialistic educational programs in Illinois.
    By the way, how are things in The Land of Lincoln after State Senator O-Liar’s terms?

    pitiful………..

      

  74. 74pre-Boomer Marine brat on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:48 pm:

    Sandman #49: All I see is invective. Care to deal with facts?

    ChenZhen #66: Rebuttal? Would you please give a hypothetical example of a rebuttal for invective?

    To both of you: Having fun, kiddies? Must be. It’s not like you’re having to argue face-to-face. Be courageous now. Bitch me out.

      

  75. 75Mycroft on Nov 2, 2008 at 1:14 pm:

    I’m normally a big fan of Zombie, but I think he’s way off on this one. There aren’t any more similarities to these symbols than there are to any two symbols that happen to be round. If you do a google image search on “logo” you can find dozens of them. So what?

    I’m also puzzled at the demonization of the word “organizer.” Just because Obama was a “community organizer” and Ayers (and the left in general) talks about organizing, doesn’t make it a dirty word. Anyone who is politically active and wants to effect change of some kind will be or hire people who are “organizers” of some sort.

    Ayers was an a**-hole because he and his companions chose violence to advance their goals. They’re wrong because they think Marxism-Leninism has anything valuable to offer. But their goals, of ending racism and poverty are themselves laudable. Hate them for their destructive theories, sure, but doesn’t mean every word ever associated with them becomes a dirty word.

      

  76. 76Justin K. on Nov 2, 2008 at 1:40 pm:

    Wow. Election’s a day-and-a-half away and this is all you’ve got?

    These various Chicago characters you’re trying to hang on Obama are nothingburgers, and voters know it.

    Ayers was a guy who did some despicable things when Obama was a child, avoided prison because the gov’t broke too many laws trying to nail him, and has become a well-regarded education expert and local activist. He’s never been any kind of a mentor to or significant influence on Obama. If Obama’s “palling around with terrorists” by sitting on the same board as Ayers, the Annenberg foundation, run by a bunch of Republicans, must be Al-Qaeda.

    That’s it. There’s nothing there. So now you’re reduced to reading chicken entrails and claiming Obama was influenced by some obscure radical newspaper, common words like “audacity” are radical shibboleths, and there are secret Muslim/commie/radical/etc symbols in his logos.

    Oh, and thanks for informing me that raising the top tax rate by 3.5% is socialist, while Bush nationalizing banks and Sarah Palin increasing the dividend every Alaskan gets from state-owned natural resources is apparently totally laissez-faire.

    You clowns don’t even know what the words you’re using mean. You might settle down and spare yourself a lot of embarassment.

      

  77. 77RedVoter on Nov 2, 2008 at 1:42 pm:

    It seems some of the critics here can not effectively separate the ideology of these radical revolutionaries from that of their Presidential nominee. So they choose to focus on the Obama seal instead.

      

  78. 78ChenZhen on Nov 2, 2008 at 1:43 pm:

    buzzsawmonkey

    I don’t see how ChenZhen manages to establish that the people who developed Obama’s logo “have nothing to do with the Weather Underground.”

    On what basis does he assert this?

    I kinda went out on a limb there, and assumed that Ayers et al doesn’t have any affiliation with Sender LLC (even if they’re both in Chicago).

    zombie-

    What you both are saying, essentially, is: We are allowed to have non-informational propaganda imagery to promote our candidate, but you, zombie, are not allowed to produce non-informational imagery that will damage Obama’s image. When we create propaganda, it certainly doesn’t damage our credibility, for we are above criticism; but when you produce something to puncture our propaganda, it damages your credibility.

    Typical double standard.

    If you think I’m no longer credible because I pointed out similarities between the Weather Underground’s statements in the past, and the words and images of the modern Left (as embodied by Obama), then you are free to seek entertainment elsewhere on the Web.

    Look, you are “allowed” to post anything you want all day long, and I’m not going to dispute that a lot of what goes into any political campaign is imagery-driven propaganda. But as I alluded to (and you now readily admit), you’ve moved from “citizen journalist” to “citizen propagandist”, so perhaps what I said really shouldn’t get under your skin. And now that you’ve cleared it up, I say go for it. It’s desperate and pathetically flimsy, but “A” for effort.

      

  79. 79Mr. Sandman on Nov 2, 2008 at 1:51 pm:

    Re: #69 Zombie

    Nice try, but the Logo-conspiracy absurdity is just one example I focus in on in your admitted propaganda post, since that alone in enough to show what a (intentionally created, and admitted) sham this whole thing is. But just to further drive the knife in, here’s another LGF post of yours (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/40/6144954):

    Zombie: “At this stage, I no longer care [about whether this will come across to some as 'tinfoil hat propaganda']. I made a conscious decision to go after the remaining gravel at the bottom of American society; the lunatics, the paranoids, the idiots, the people who can’t make up their minds after a year of information about this guy. *The only thing left is to hit them on a subconscious level*.”

    As ChenZen says so pointedly, you have forever destroyed your reputation as a “citizen journalist.” Much like, I might add, McCain forever ruined his “maverick brand” with his nasty campaign. You are no better than those who tried to push the “Big Black Man inscribes ‘B-for-Barack” with knife into white girl’s face” hoax, despite obvious credibility problems with the story from the start. Forget journalistic integrity, we *must* not let Obama win, so we *must* get voters to fear him on “a subconscious level.” Disgusting.

    Mycroft, #75, “normally a big fan” of yours, also makes some good points, including this one:

    “I’m also puzzled at the demonization of the word “organizer.” Just because Obama was a “community organizer” and Ayers (and the left in general) talks about organizing, doesn’t make it a dirty word. Anyone who is politically active and wants to effect change of some kind will be or hire people who are “organizers” of some sort.”

    Not to make this about race, but just because it vividly exposes your McCarthyism here, one might note that Martin Luther King Jr. was a exemplar of a “community organizer” in this respect. Anyone would be able to find phrases in his speeches about “organization,” “hope,” “change,” etc. as well. By the standards of the drivel of this article, you would paint him as a “radical communist subversive,” as in fact he was portrayed by the regressive forces of his day.

      

  80. 80copp on Nov 2, 2008 at 2:22 pm:

    The present ACORN logo can be found in the “U” area of the old Weather logo as well!!.

      

  81. 81copp on Nov 2, 2008 at 2:27 pm:

  82. 82DangerousNate on Nov 2, 2008 at 2:38 pm:

    I do have to admit that the logo similarites are a bit of stretch… either way though, creepy.

      

  83. 83zombie on Nov 2, 2008 at 2:53 pm:

    #79 Mr. Sandman:
    I still don’t get how that is “driving the knife in.” What is wrong with trying to reach the near-unreachable? I stand by my words in that comment. If you condemn me on that account, you condemn the entire Obama campaign and 95% of the efforts by his supporters, because they too are trying to communicate to the uneducated with vague symbology. Or, are you implying that Obama really is the Messiah? That he really does have a halo? That is is some supernatural iconic figure? All of which (and much more) are routinely displayed by the Obama camp. Based on no facts whatsoever — just an appeal to the subconscious of the uninformed voter.

    As for my “credibility” with the likes of you: I doubt I had any in the first place. Because if I did, and if you really grasped and appreciated the five years of posts here, you wouldn’t be such a leftist Kool-Aid drinker, as you so obviously are.

    If Ansel Adams put down his camera for a day and painted an impressionist landscape, would that destroy his credibility as a photographer?

      

  84. 84Mycroft on Nov 2, 2008 at 3:13 pm:

    #79 As ChenZen says so pointedly, you have forever destroyed your reputation as a “citizen journalist.”

    Oh please, tone back the hyperbole a bit. Unless you demand perfection all the time, nobody can ever forever destroy their reputation.

    A few nights ago on the Daily Show Bill Kristol said, “If you’re a liberal you should vote for Obama, if you’re a conservative you should vote for McCain. It’s not a psycho-drama, it’s just an election.”

    How true! When did we adopt this all or nothing mind-set where we can’t just disagree with someone over something and discuss that disagreement with mutual respect, but instead everything has to be an all or nothing proposition where someone who disagrees with you about one thing has to be wrong on everything and suspect of all kinds of evil Machiavellian motivations.

    The truth is the right is legitimately concerned with the extremist nut-cases on the extreme left, just as the left is legitimately concerned with the extremist nut-cases on the extreme right, but the majority of us fall somewhere in between those extremes and have more in common than not. Normal people don’t assume that just because someone says something ridiculous on one topic that they must be ridiculous on every topic.

      

  85. 85John on Nov 2, 2008 at 3:48 pm:

    “Audacity” is in the forward to Alinsky’s book, “Reveille for Radicals”, that was written by yet some other (French, I think) Marxist. Wright, Ayers, Obama all got it from the same place.

      

  86. 86ChenZhen on Nov 2, 2008 at 3:56 pm:

    @ LGF zombie-

    At this stage, I no longer care. I made a conscious decision to go after the remaining gravel at the bottom of American society; the lunatics, the paranoids, the idiots, the people who can’t make up their minds after a year of information about this guy. The only thing left is to hit them on a subconscious level.

    LOL! I think I’ve found your new banner!

    I mean, where else would the lunatics and paranoids and idiots go to get their fix, anyway? Besides Atlas Shrugs, that is.

      

  87. 87A less well known zombie on Nov 2, 2008 at 4:01 pm:

    Exactly! Ayers, Wright, Obama and Patton all got it from the same source. As noted leftist Victor Davis Hanson points out:

    ‘Patton had two phrases that he used almost ad nauseam. The first, from Danton, was: “Audacity, always audacity, still more audacity.”’

    http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson102304.html

    Can it be a coincidence? I think not!

      

  88. 88kat in your hat on Nov 2, 2008 at 4:02 pm:

    MORE”

    Osawatomie and the development of WUO as a Marxist-Leninist organization (FBI files)
    http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/osawatomie-and-the-development-of-wuo-as-a-marxist-leninist-organization-fbi-files/

    ***Also, someone said they don’t see the logos as similar? Huh? It’s always a half circle ona curve with some kind of rainbow effect. Speaking of rainbow, have you checked out the Rainbow/ Push logo recently? http://www.rainbowpush.org/FMPro?-db=RPOfrontpage06.fp5&-format=rainbowpush/frontpage06/results.htm&-lay=front&constant=1&-find

    Rainbow/ PUSH (in Chicago) is Jesse Jackson’s group, Jr. is now mainly running it. There are youtube videos of Father Pfleger and Jackson working together for Rainbow/ PUSH–they are against guns. Jackson has also said that Michelle grew up with his family.

      

  89. 89IrishKay on Nov 2, 2008 at 4:11 pm:

    The fact that the FBI are investigating for a “leak” when they should explain why this women isn’t picked up and deported! The law is the law, no matter who they are. What difference does it make WHEN the discovery happened. The fact that everyone is trying to make this into a ‘conspiracy’ is rediculous and insulting! HOW COME NOBODY KNOWS THIS GUY OBAMA OR HIS FAMILY!!!! AND IF THEY DID KNOW, WHY WASN’T SOMETHING DONE ABOUT IT BEFORE OBAMA STARTED RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! THE AUDACITY TO THINK OBAMA IS ABOVE THE LAW IS ALSO INSULTING AS A CITIZEN WHO HAS TO OBEY THE LAW FOR FEAR OF PENALTY. CAN YOU SERIOUSLY TELL ME WHY ANYONE IS VOTING FOR THIS GUY! THERE IS NOTHING REAL ABOUT THIS GUY, HE DECEITFUL, ARROGANT, HE’S NOT EVEN ELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR THE DA_N OFFICE, AND YET IT’S COVERED UP BY THE MEDIA, BY THE CAMPAIGN, BY THE FBI, THE CIA, AND ANYBODY THAT VETTED THIS GUY, DID THIS COUNTRY A GREAT DISSERVICE! I REALLY HOPE HE LOSES, REALLY, FOR THE GOOD OF THIS COUNTRY!

      

  90. 90John on Nov 2, 2008 at 4:13 pm:

    #79 Mr. Sandman wrote,”
    “I’m also puzzled at the demonization of the word “organizer.”

    Perhaps you have not read “Reveille for Radicals” or the other Alinsky book “Rules for Radicals,” and therefore do not know that no demonization is necessary for that which has been quite carefully and deliberately identified by the word “organizer” and inarguably defined to mean those who do certain precisely defined things (things most people call “evil”) to obtain a utopian end (that supposedly “justifies” the immoral means). These “things” include crafty, willful calculation to prey upon and aggravate the anger, resentment, and disappointment of the most gullible people for the acquisition of power for the purpose of bullying other people not so gullible. No honorable person does such things.

    On the other hand, perhaps, you have read Alinsky, and you are knowingly spreading deceitful propaganda. Those of us who long ago abandoned that simplicity which confuses culpable immorality with mere ignorance, are watching, and we are not amused. Don’t even try that too-clever-dummy act in my neck of the woods.

      

  91. 91IrishKay on Nov 2, 2008 at 4:14 pm:

    ARE ALL THESE OBAMA SUPPORTERS ON SOMETHING? I MEAN, IS IT IN THE WATER, OR WHAT! I’m really trying to get a handle why anyone would go to one of his rallies, and listen to nothing come out of this guys mouth for 2 hours? Seriously folks, there are soooo many questions about Obama that hasn’t been answered, question after question side-stepped by the media. Please people, go back and look at the videos of his speeches! Listen to the emptiness of what he is telling you! Trust me, it’s not about race, it’s about our country! Usually people who want to run for president, want to do it because they love this country, and want to make it better. But not Obama, he has said “I feelAmerica is ‘redeeming’ itself”, and his wife is ‘now’ proud of this country! That should say it all, folks. Obama says basically America sucks!, that he will ‘change’ it – WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU! He’s not saying he wants to make it better-he wants to change the country! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY, FOLKS! PEOPLE FLOCK TO COME HERE-WANT TO STAY HERE -AND NEVER WANT TO LEAVE! WE HAVE PROBLEMS BUT WE ALSO THINK THIS COUNTRY HAS PROGRESSED FROM OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, NOT BAD FOR AN EXPERIMENT! PLEASE FOLKS, REALLY THINK HARD AND LONG ABOUT THIS ELECTION-IT MAY BE OUR LAST!!!!

      

  92. 92Dave Surls on Nov 2, 2008 at 4:31 pm:

    “Oh, and thanks for informing me that raising the top tax rate by 3.5% is socialist, while Bush nationalizing banks and Sarah Palin increasing the dividend every Alaskan gets from state-owned natural resources is apparently totally laissez-faire.”

    It all sounds socialist, because it is all socialist. Who said it wasn’t?

      

  93. 93Mr. Sandman on Nov 2, 2008 at 5:07 pm:

    Re: Zombie #83

    Alright, I’m wasting too much time here, so this is my last post on this crap, so here goes.

    You call me a “leftist Kool-Aid drinker” even as you freely admit to mixing up this paranoid, delusional Kool-Aid concoction and try to get those you so endearingly call “the lunatics, the paranoids, the idiots” to drink it up. It’s your last best desperate push for McCain. That should say something about his “strength” as a presidential candidate, and what *positive* things he brings to the table (i.e., nothing), or at least how you see it.The Obama campaign has done nothing comparable to this sort of irrational conspiracy-based fear-mongering, nor is it guilty of the overblown rhetoric you and the right wing charge it with.

    And your Ansel Adams analogy fails because what you are doing is actually *presenting* these insinuations and smears as stemming from legitimate journalism, like you present your other work. You aren’t presenting this as a work of fiction and imagination. Ansel Adams is not attempting to deceive the public in that analogy you gave. The closer analogy to what you’ve done here would be a scientist who produces a fraudulent experiment report, or fudges the data toward the results he likes.

      

  94. 94Notazombie on Nov 2, 2008 at 6:52 pm:

    On a more serious note, check this: http://www.youtube.com/user/Jews4Obama

    If somebody should fear Obama, it would be them. And yet, they trust in his ability to bring forth a better world. Chill out everyone!

    Listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVi4rUzf-0Q&feature=related

      

  95. 95Dave Surls on Nov 2, 2008 at 6:55 pm:

    #93 et al

    Christ, what a biunch of drama queens.

      

  96. 96Notazombie on Nov 2, 2008 at 6:55 pm:

    BTW check this also: http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=5EEAAA85C0FE2F48F92FADF4310A46E8?diaryId=9607

    Please stop being so afraid. Our world is on the brink of disaster. We all need to work together to find solutions that will keep us going for a few centuries more.

      

  97. 97Rob Crawford on Nov 2, 2008 at 7:08 pm:

    “Please stop being so afraid. Our world is on the brink of disaster.”

    Stop contradicting yourself.

    The WORLD is not on the brink of disaster, unless we bring it on ourselves by instituting a government that wants to turn away from all the things that work — liberty, free markets, rationalism.

      

  98. 98Notazombie on Nov 2, 2008 at 7:40 pm:

    The world being on the brink of disaster does not make me afraid. On the contrary, it simply means that it’s time to roll up one’s sleeves and get to work … together! I’m sorry if I have made ‘you’ afraid.

      

  99. 99Justin K. on Nov 2, 2008 at 7:44 pm:

    Dave Surls, #92:

    OK, so if it all is “socialist,” as you say, why would voting for McCain-Palin be any better? McCain supported the bank bailout too, as well as numerous other interventions in the economy. That’s why these socialist charges are so worthless.

    Obama is, when you get right down to it, a cautious, consensus-minded, mildly progressive, largely middle-of-the road politician. That’s why moderate Republicans and centrist policy types are flocking to him. That’s why tarring him as some kind of radical is ridiculous. He wants to raise the top tax rate to 39.5%. Under Eisenhower it was 90%. Guess that makes Ike a Communist.

    Y’all are living in dream world.

      

  100. 100DangerousNate on Nov 2, 2008 at 8:10 pm:

    “Obama is, when you get right down to it, a cautious, consensus-minded, mildly progressive, largely middle-of-the road politician.”

    Yeah, and I’ve got some beachside property in Kentucky I’d like to sell you. Just like what the media is selling you.

      

  101. 101Justin K. on Nov 2, 2008 at 8:24 pm:

    DangerousNote, #99:

    I’m not talking about the media, I’m talking about what you find if you actually read his policies. I think he’ll be a great improvement over Bush, but actually wish he was a little more progressive than he is.

    You guys are like kids at a slumber party, chanting “Bloody Mary” into the bathroom mirror until you wet your pants. You don’t even know what you’re actually scared of.

      

  102. 102Matthew on Nov 2, 2008 at 8:25 pm:

    I don’t know, I think it just looks like a circle. The book cover reminds me more of Ra the sun god than anything else.

    You’re obviously trying to link Ayers’s text to Obama, but it comes across to me as quite a stretch. The opinions espoused by Ayers could more easily be attributed to Ron Paul than Barack Obama, and would be just as outrageous and unlikely.

    I agree with Ken (comment 10). I wrote you (Zombie) once commenting on how much I enjoyed your photos and essays and how neutral you remained. You put the facts out there and let people do with them what they would. The last few things I’ve seen from you have felt more like they’re trying to spin the Ayers issue up as much as you can, and it’s been a serious stretch. It’s disappointing.

    Kudos on getting your hands on the document and on the great scans, but I do think you’re getting a little too paranoid.

      

  103. 103Dave Surls on Nov 2, 2008 at 9:26 pm:

    ‘OK, so if it all is “socialist,” as you say, why would voting for McCain-Palin be any better?’

    You don’t have to put socialist in quotation marks. To answer the question: because the Democrats are a lot more socialistic than the Republicans are, and some of us (well, me anyway), don’t want any more socialism than is absolutely necessary…and we have way more than is absolutely necessary. The Republicans are just the lesser of two evils.

    I want to be free (not taken care of, you lefties can take your nanny state and ram it)…and state controlled economies always wind up destroying freedom. We’re already to the point where you can’t take a crap without filling out some kind of government form first, and the petty handouts the government offers to most of us will never make up for the freedom we’ve already lost.

    If you want to see what socialism really is, then look at the slave system they used to have in the American south. The masters of the state (plantation owners) had total power over the slaves and complete control of both the means of production and the distribution of goods insofar as their relationship with the slaves went…and we all know what the masters of the state did with that power. That’s what socialism is.

    If we keep giving the government more and more power, we’ll eventually wind up as slaves to the government or whoever controls the government, and all we’ll be is a source of labor and cannon fodder (for which see the liberal Democrats use of military conscription over the last hundred years). Christ, you can see it happening right in front of your eyes with this bailout crap. Your money is going to bail out the mortgage companies and bankers when they get in trouble, but it only cuts one way, if you get in trouble…you’re SOL. There’s no way in hell, they’re going to pass emergency legislation to bail you out. Over time, socialism ALWAYS turns into “welfare reform” for most of the yokels and never ending bailouts for the rich and their pals in the government.

    Keep voting guys like FDR, LBJ, and the newest socialist wanker, Obama, into power, and you’re cutting your own throat. No matter what they promise you today, it’s all bullshit, and in the long run, your free handouts will turn into their handouts.

    The Republicans are bad, but the Democrats are hell on earth. ALL of the real growth in the size of the federal government came in the period 1933-1975 when the federal government was essentially the private property of the liberal Democrats. During those years federal expenditures rose from 5% of GDP to 20% of GDP, which is where it is now, but if we go back to letting the liberals control both houses of Congress and the presidency, we’ll all be serfs in a couple of centuries. It’s happened before elesewhere, and it’ll happen here too.

      

  104. 104Dave Surls on Nov 2, 2008 at 9:37 pm:

    If you lefty nitwits really think that the new messiah is going to be looking out for your interests, then just take a look at how his aunt in Boston and his own brother in Kenya are living, while Mr. and Ms. Messiah are raking in millions per year. He doesn’t give a crap about his own blood kin, he sure as hell doesn’t give a crap about y’all.

    Guys like Obama want power for themselves, and they don’t give a hoot about you, any more than Roosevelt gave a damn about the Nisei he shipped off to concentration camps.

      

  105. 105Skip Smith on Nov 2, 2008 at 10:27 pm:

    >>>When is the old Zombietime coming back?<<<

    Amen. This conspiracy theory BS is destroying a website I used to admire.

      

  106. 106Dave Surls on Nov 2, 2008 at 11:53 pm:

    I’m sure Zombie will be taking more pictures, and then the folks who don’t like to read will be appeased.

      

  107. 107rick on Nov 3, 2008 at 12:27 am:

    Keep the coons out of the WHITE house

      

  108. 108cheryl may on Nov 3, 2008 at 6:59 am:

    WOW ! Thank you for sharing that info with me and my family. Nice meeting you glad to see such passion in you ! Gpd bless you and hope to see you in the future ! your Conservative friend Cheryl

      

  109. 109Justin K. on Nov 3, 2008 at 8:45 am:

    Dave Surls #103-104:

    I put “socialist” in quotes above because neither McCain or Obama’s policies can be described as socialist in any meaningful sense. No modern state (with the possible exception of anarchic spaces like Somalia) is totally laissez-faire, nor should they be. Every state intervenes in the economy, regulates industry, tries to offer some sort of safety net for the losers in economic competition. Some methods, obviously, work better than others, but simply raising tax rates or bailing out failing businesses isn’t socialist. Socialism is when the government owns at least “the commanding heights” of the economy and runs them for the general good. This means that the slave plantations of the antebellum South were not socialism. That was a feudal system where power accrued to wealthy landowners.

    As for your concerns about liberty, I fail to see how Democratic policies are so threatening to it. We’re coming to the end of a GOP administration which launched a war based on lies, runs a gulag in Cuba, tortures, wiretaps its citizens without warrants, has declared itself able to arrest anyone–US citizens included–and imprison them indefinitiely withour due process, and has vastly increased the size of government and the deficit while running the economy into the ground. How could the Democrats possibly do worse?

      

  110. 110Skip Smith on Nov 3, 2008 at 9:35 am:

    Dave, you might find this site helpful:

    http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

      

  111. 111Dave Surls on Nov 3, 2008 at 11:20 am:

    ‘I put “socialist” in quotes above because neither McCain or Obama’s policies can be described as socialist in any meaningful sense.’

    Oh, yes they can. And that statement, like everything that follows it is simply wrong.

    Anytime the government or the people who control the government have control over means of production and distribution of goods, that’s socialism, and the more socialism you have, the less freedom, and also the less prosperity you have.

      

  112. 112reagan21 on Nov 3, 2008 at 12:47 pm:

    Great story. This is very jaw dropping. I just think it is a little to late. Keep up the good work because Obama will be scrutinized for his past every day for the rest of his life. There is more to be uncovered.

    http://trustbutverify.wordpress.com/

      

  113. 113Red Pill on Nov 3, 2008 at 12:52 pm:

  114. 114Kate on Nov 3, 2008 at 4:31 pm:

    I found it interesting looking up “Osawatomie”. I found some very interesting things:
    The Battle of Osawatomie happened in August 30, 1856 when 250-300 Border Ruffians led by John W. Reid and Rev. Marvin White attacked the city of Osawatomie. John W. Reid was intent on destroying free state settlements and then moving on to Topeka and Lawrence to do more of the same. John Brown first got word that the group was coming when they shot his son Frederick. Brown with forty or so men tried to defend the town against the pro-slavery agitators, but failed and the town of Osawatomie was looted and burned. This is one event in series of skirmishes between abolitionists and pro-slavery Missourians in what has been known as Bleeding Kansas.

    Then I looked up “Bleeding Kansas”:
    Bleeding Kansas, sometimes referred to in history as Bloody Kansas or the Border War, was a series of violent events, involving Free-Staters (anti-slavery) and pro-slavery “Border Ruffian” elements, that took place in the Kansas Territory and the western frontier towns of the U.S. state of Missouri roughly between 1854 and 1858. These incidents were attempts to influence whether Kansas would enter the Union as a free or slave state. The term “Bleeding Kansas” was coined by Horace Greeley of the New York Tribune.

    The events in Bleeding Kansas directly presaged the American Civil War.<<<=====

    The name Osawatomie can indicate:
    1. abolitionists: Obama and Ayers
    2. pro-slavery : Republicans and the USA
    3. I found it VERY interesting that the events in “Bleeding Kansas”…..quote:directly presaged the American civil war.

      

  115. 115Dave Surls on Nov 3, 2008 at 4:37 pm:

    “Dave, you might find this site helpful:”

    Not really. Why would I be interested in leftoid headgear?

      

  116. 116Kansas on Nov 3, 2008 at 6:04 pm:

    One other connection — Osawatomie was, for many years, the site of one of Kansas’ state mental hospitals. Since those Weather Underground people are clearly nuts, it certainly fits.

      

  117. 117Anonymous on Nov 18, 2008 at 6:51 pm:

    Hey fella’s, i’ve got a question, how come no one has mentioned that rockefeller scumbag thats a democratic senator now, does’nt anyone remember his part in it all back then? His father had hated him because he was a christian zionist socialist communist, and a member of the American communist organization, and it was his father that had been part of the energy crises back then as well.

    1) His father had been ill, and bedridden, and was going to die from his condition, but he still had a year or so left in him, remember in the news then he had died suddenly, and his son was the only one in the house with him, and the doctors had said he had all the indications of someone being smothered to death. The courts had tried to pin it on him, but the final decision was made to be inderterminite, he could have died from his condition, or being smothered. By a bought and paid for socialist communist judge.

    2) The investigating FBI guys had been at the weather underground training and safe house, when outside, Rockefeller had been about to enter the building to meet with the terrorists, as he was the one who had been funding ayers and his group, but again the court had determined that he could’nt be proved to have been doing that. He had had a judge that was a democratic leaning idiot. A socialist communist, and bought.

    3) Rockefeller had known for his mexican/south American contacts with christian zionist groups, and communist affiliations as well, and that ties in with all the massive immigration in recent years from there as well. Remember he had been disgraced, and booted from the republican party, because he was working for the democrats, and they had found it out. All that coincided with himself, and Ayers getting off scotfree, why Ayers had said he was guilty as hell, and free as a bird. Both the democrats of then, and the republicans had both blackmailed one another about what each side had known about the other, why the republicans could’nt prosicute the bastards, because of Rockefellers being in their party, and knowing how they had engineered the energy crises, the details/persons involved which could’nt be revealed to the public then. And why his fathers companys, and assets were taken from him, and given to a distaff member of the family to own/control.

    4) His appearence at the democratic convention when Obama had been chosen as the democratic nominee over Hillary, when he had said to them all, it was covered by the media, “well, fiengold got his pound of gold” {for his crossing the aisle deal with McCain} “i took a chance coming here, but i had to come out, since our pick has become the nominee, to congratulate him, and say thank you, to you all who have made this possable”.

    5) He, Reid, Pelosie, and other religious and/or liberal democrats{communists} had quite the close association as well between the congress, and the senate, and the implementing of policy’s that further drained the wealth of our nation.

    6)Why was’nt any of that mentioned when they had been trying to pin Obama for his associations with the Ayers scumbag. And why was the FBI agent who was to speak about it on fox cut off when he was about to talk about what they had found outside the first night they had him on, the connection was totally cut.

    7) Obama was definately a part of the conspiracy of the socialist communists, who are about to be placed in total power of our nation. His jew grandfather, the father of Obamas jew mother, was the brother of none other then Bloomberg, the jew king of newyork, Obamas relative, whose contacts overseas is the reason he had so much filtered in campaign money. That, as much as his really being born in Kenya, was what his half brother in Kenya was murdered for, to cover up, and his female relative from there having fled here to America, and why it is definately the reason why she is kept at his familys side, not so much for protection, but to keep her quite. As well, his real father was the head/king, of the kenyan muslim sect his family was a part of. The medias saying his grandmother in Hawaii was ill was true, but not to the extent it had been made out to be, she had been a prisnor in her own home, because she had wanted to spill the beans, about who he really is, and what he, and the jew zionists are really up to, and to let us know he really is’nt an American citizen. And why she had died early. It, her death, was also used to garner him more sympathy for votes, by the gullable here in America.

    8) The jew zionists had created the circumstances that had put us into the war, the reasons are many, but the salient ones were to destroy the republican party, the only ones who can save white America, why most of the bad things that had happened, such as all the criminal activity by the those who had been exposed as thieves within the groups and agencys had been set up by the jews, the rapes, and other things like the torture, and the theft of all that money, and then they turned them in to the other side they want to come to power to further erode support for the republicans, the domestic phase useing all the liberal leftist fools, why that insane jew scumbag was able to pull the majority coup of the democrats in congress, the one about to become chief of staff, whose father is a well known terrorist, and slayer of palstinians. Guess what his son did on his holidays/vacations there in isreal.

    9) Though the democrats/communists think they have successfully fuzzed who is exactly responsable for the subprime morgage crises, we all know it was policy’s made by clinton, and then democrats during the republican presidencys, along with zionist republican plants to further fuzz it up later, why the repubs had tried to let everyone know exactly how they had oppossed such policys, and had wanted more oversight of fanny/freddie mac, the same way they had started the war useing rumsfeld/cheney, who had been part of the big three, they were thinking far ahead in their planning. But one thing they can never fuzz, and that is in able to do it in the first place, the jew bankers had to both know, and approve of its covering up, until it was to late.

    10) Consider also, all the invalid votes from ignorent people who are, in my own opinion, not even Americans, and how they fudged the votes through fraud, and how the electoral collage is now mostly composed of leftists, and minoritys/jews.

    There it is people, we are about to move to the endgame phase of their planning, can we wonder why most of our combat trained troops are still in Irag/Afganistan, how many minoritys is homeland defense composed of, we know that the one million man police force will be mostly minoritys, and better armed then our armed forces, which Obama has already stated he will cut funding to, and reduce, the irony is that he says it will save money, then where is the money going to come from to fund/equip/support his police force with. Why are there so many muslims in Canada, why here in America as well. Look up the immigration stats if you can, and look at it with an eye to race, religious affiliation, and whether they have communist/muslim leanings.

    Ayers is the key to it all, and who was actually there at his house, along with Obama, at Obamas political coming out party, the inner circle. All of them who had been there, exept for business run ins, have studiously avoided contact with one another since, until he became president elect. We know how the radicals are being made to look as if they were’nt radicals now on the news, he’s taking care of his friends in the conspiracy. Through his friends in the media, a jew owned operation. The whole thing with Hillary was to garner him as many votes as possable, they already knew she would’nt be president elect, right from the start.

    We, the real America those scum are trying to destroy, can’t let him go beyond president elect, how that is done, i guess we have to see if real America is going to do it, if they don’t, then were going to have innercity barbarians all over the place in positions of so called authority, and white Americans dieing in droves, disappeared, our nation in flames, our children savaged, and raped, and killed.

    Anyone who wishs to use any of this is free to do so, anywhere else you think it would be read.

      

  118. 118Anonymous on Dec 2, 2008 at 11:15 pm:

    Well, sure looks like skinheads are alive and well, Mr. Anonymous

      

  119. 119Anonymous on Dec 5, 2008 at 12:24 pm:

  120. 120Weather Undergound Documents on Dec 5, 2008 at 12:26 pm:

    In case this you have not seen these…

    http://www.antiauthoritarian.net/sds_wuo/

      

  121. 121Osawatomie Vols. 1-4 on Dec 5, 2008 at 12:27 pm:

  122. 122Anonymous on Dec 5, 2008 at 5:57 pm:

    No skinhead, just a decent guy who does’nt cloud himself with excuses called facts that are worthless. Whats happening is wide ranging, to many people are in on it. It invovles the jews/religious left/liberal/various democratic socialist communist groups. The zionists are playing both sides.

    The hold overs from the clinton administration that had positions within the other offices of defense, and intelligence, after the Bush administration moved in. And those republicans who were plants to begin with, and those of them who were in on it because of some sort of restraint or blackmail. President Bush had been played bigtime when he was in his first administration, with there plot. Set him up useing his patriotism against him with false information.

    The socialist communist’ had setup fallbacks as well. Useing the religious elemments both for, and against one another.
    The various social issue’s being played when they were, to influence public opinion, backed up with some very real economic positions, which they themselves had caused. The outright excuses made by the democratic communist congress for their own involvements that had been played off as other thing’s, to cover what people thought through the media.

    The treason level is way up there, and it is’nt our George who is one. Anyway, that stuff about Rockefeller actually happened, and it was in the news back then. He is part of the Communist half{democrat} of the senate today. And had stayed out of most of the planning executions. But he did try some policy changes in the first 4yrs of the war, and was behind others that were passed by others among the zionist communists. Useing the multiple fake, inner party bi-partisionship.

    Anyway, i’m not a skinhead, just against the jews, and their other friends, which have been operating across the world, to stage event’s/cause.

      

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  125. 125Eric on Sep 10, 2009 at 8:57 pm:

    Speak out! Go create a rally, use ur voice skills to get allies to ur cause. Schools, Churchs, Newspapers all cud hear ur voice out against our nasty oppressive govt. We must work hard to keep our rights, once lost, hard to regain they will be.

      

  126. 126Brandon on Oct 3, 2009 at 8:43 pm:

    “ledger on Nov 1, 2008 at 5:12 pm:
    Do to agree that the word “audacity” sounds like something Obama would write.

    I see the a pattern:

    1. Create a economic crisis, divide and anger people.
    2. Promise “retribution” of the wealth to the “poor.”
    3. Use other people’s money to gain power.

    That seems to be the same tactic Obama and his minions have taken. Obama is a socialist.


    No I am a socialist Obama is a sissy corporate dem.

      

  127. 127JanineC on Nov 2, 2009 at 1:03 pm:

    I guess folks have forgotten their history (or maybe were never even taught the truth!) of the Soviet Union, the People’s Republic of China, North Korea, 1950s Cuba and all the other countries where people never really believed that their leaders would “fundamentally change” their countries. Of course, they also forgot about the tens of millions who were eventually killed in the name of creating a “better society”. And they forgot about the oppression, the lack of economic opportunity with centralized economies, the destruction of prosperity and incentive, the complete and utter despair, the propaganda and media takeover by one ideology, the re-education of those who disagree, the lost freedom and control of the individual (for the “greater good”), the iron curtain (to keep people in), etc., etc., etc.

    This administration is proudly made up of radical leftist extremists. They have honestly said that they want to destroy the capitalist society and create a big government tyranny. That is the one thing they have been transparent about! They want to take away our freedoms (for our own good, they say), and redistribute wealth (which is just institutionalized THEFT!). But some folks still are so blind that they won’t see it until it is too late. Socialism does NOT work–never has. It is the WORST form of government and society ever created by mankind. But the idealogues just cannot see it because they are too busy “feeling” — instead of using logic and reason to see the true consequences.

      

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    Great story. This is very jaw dropping. I just think it is a little to late. Keep up the good work because Obama will be scrutinized for his past every day for the rest of his life. There is more to be uncovered.

      

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