Barack Obama’s review of William Ayers' book

Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:26 pm

On December 21, 1997, Barack Obama wrote a short review of William Ayers’ book A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court, which had recently been published by Beacon Press. Here’s a photo of how the review appeared in the Chicago Tribune:

(Bloggers, journalists and media members are all free to re-post this image with no restrictions. If you would like a hi-resolution version, right-click or control-click here.)

Obama’s review of Ayers’ book says, “A searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.”

I had seen mentions of the existence of this review in a very few media outlets, including CNN, National Review, American Spectator, and a handful of others. But because the review was published before the Chicago Tribune began digitizing and archiving its articles online, there was no direct Web link to the review itself — only citations of it. So, out of curiosity, I took it upon myself to visit a library in San Francisco, and using the library’s Lexis-Nexis access and its archive of microfilm versions of major newspapers, including the Chicago Tribune, I finally tracked down a copy of the actual review itself.

Turns out the review was very short — what I had thought (from reading the citations in the online articles) were just short quotes from it was in fact the entirety of the review. But it was accompanied by a photo of Obama, standing by his statement. The review was part of a column called “Mark My Word,” in which Chicago notables praise their favorite current books.

Just a few weeks before this review was published in the Chicago Tribune, Obama and Ayers appeared together on a panel about juvenile justice organized by Michelle Obama on November 20, 1997:

Children who kill are called “super predators,” “people with no conscience,” “feral pre-social beings” — and “adults.”

William Ayers, author of A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court (Beacon Press, 1997), says “We should call a child a child. A 13-year-old who picks up a gun isn’t suddenly an adult. We have to ask other questions: How did he get the gun? Where did it come from?”

Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four panelists who will speak on juvenile justice at 6 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 20, in the C-Shop. The panel, which marks the 100th anniversary of the juvenile justice system in the United States, is part of the Community Service Center’s monthly discussion series on issues affecting the city of Chicago. The event is free and open to the public.

Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system; Randolph Stone, Director of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic; Alex Correa, a reformed juvenile offender who spent seven years in Cook County Temporary Detention Center; Frank Tobin, a former priest and teacher at the Detention Center who helped Correa; and Willy Baldwin, who grew up in public housing and is currently a teacher at the Detention Center.

I find it very hard — no, make that impossible — to believe that Barack Obama had “no idea” who William Ayers really was, or that he had a past as a notorious domestic terrorist (as Obama’s campaign has claimed) while serving on panels with Ayers and simultaneously praising Ayers’ book in a major newspaper.

This story is likely to continue growing, and I thought that the image above would provide a good “visual” for the Obama-Ayers connection.

[UPDATE: On page 82 of the book itself, Ayers mentions Obama. So there's no question they knew each other.]

The following images are pretty much unnecessary; yet because of the intense nature of this campaign, and because every single tidbit of news is dissected, analyzed, doubted and challenged, I am posting these pictures to prove beyond any doubt that the photo of the Obama-Ayers review shown above is authentic, and not some Photoshop hoax, as I’m quite sure Obama’s defenders would claim if I didn’t pre-emptively debunk their accusations.

Feel free to ignore this section unless you’re interested in seeing “proof” that the review is real.

This shows the entirety of page 5 of the Chicago Review book section on December 21, 1997. Obama’s review is visible at the lower left. (Hi-res version of this photo here.)

This shows the date and page number at the top of the page, confirming it really is from the Chicago Tribune on December 21, 1997. (Hi-res version of this photo here.)

This picture shows the microfilm image in situ on the microfilm machine itself, proving it’s a physical artifact, not a digital Photoshop creation. (Hi-res version of this photo here.) Note also that the review directly above Obama’s review is of a book about domestic terrorists and bombers. Oh, the irony!

And this is a screenshot of the Lexis-Nexis listing on the library’s computer, proving that the review is part of the official digital archives. (Hi-res version of this photo here.)

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1Just me on Oct 18, 2008 at 7:44 pm:

Another unhinged racist attack.

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2George Bentley on Oct 18, 2008 at 7:50 pm:

Obama is not running to change government he’s running for overthrow government. Ayers wins.

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3JeremyR on Oct 18, 2008 at 7:52 pm:

Zombie scores another direct hit with this one! So much the LSM is willfully ignoring!

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4SteveD on Oct 18, 2008 at 8:31 pm:

Very well done. Congratulations on your sleuthing — a responsibility the MSM has totally abdicated. Unless they are busy looking into the lives of private citizen plumbers.

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5Editor on Oct 18, 2008 at 8:31 pm:

Anyone want to guess the odds on whether Ayers wrote the review himself or not?

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6Ken on Oct 18, 2008 at 8:31 pm:

Writing a tiny blurb of a review does not, in any way, mean that you support the actions of the author. If it does then I feel sorry for the guys who write the forewards of the English editions of “Mein Kampf.” Are they going to be implicated in a similar “guilty-by-association” fashion, as well?

Ayers was active when Obama was 8 years old.
Charges against Ayers were dropped 20 years ago.
This is a non-issue, distracting us from the real issues. It certainly isn’t any kind of “deep” relationship.

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7Zeno on Oct 18, 2008 at 8:39 pm:

The fact is, Ken, that Obama LIED. And media objectivity died.

By the way, how’s Barbie?

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8Paul from Florida on Oct 18, 2008 at 8:47 pm:

Obama got sponsored/groomed into Columbia in 1981. Bill Ayers was there too, and so to the Weatherman. Odd.
Just outside of New York, on Long Island, there was a Brinks robbery in October 1981. It was the idiots of the Black Liberation Army( all twenty or so) and the Weather Underground. Two police officers and a Brinks guard were ambushed and murdered. One of the BLA idiots, Nathan Burns, took the name Sekou Odinga. The muslim thug president of Kenya, and African travel partner of Obama and his supposedly first cousin is Raila Odinga. Odd.

Maybe Columbia is a really really big school, with lots and lots of Black Nationalists and Weather Underground types there at the time.

Obama said he lived off campus, spent his time jogging or in the library. He’s not released any of his no doubt stellar academic records, or much of anyting from his time at Columbia.
I’m sure the New York Times, but blocks from Columbia is right on this.

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9Dan Cleary on Oct 18, 2008 at 8:48 pm:

Maybe it’s finally time for Obama to come out and just admit he’s a fast friend of Bill Ayers. Apparently, the water’s getting warmer:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122402888900234543.html

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10TELEPROMPTER PRESIDENT on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:00 pm:

Excellent research and I agree with your opinions! I just found your story reprint on McCainSpace.com and followed the link back to your website for the full story. I’ll try to repost this on http://www.TeleprompterPresident.com - Obama Bloopers & Commentary

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11Steffan on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:06 pm:

I just sent the link to Drudge. Hope it helps.

Obama’s problem is that he’s been far too used to doing one thing and saying something else. He lost track of the fact that lies can be caught a whole lot sooner than they were even 20 years ago.

Obama’s campaign will likely bob and weave and call you a racist. The problem is that voters are beginning to keep track of what’s happening now that the election is coming up. Being caught lying about something so easily proved true won’t help them.

Excellent job as usual, Zombie.

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12Kincsem on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:09 pm:

“Just a guy who lives in the neighborhood…”

The more time that passes, the more obvious it becomes that the links between Ayers and Obama are multiple, and that Obama had to know about Ayers’ criminal past. If he had not lied in the first place, this might have gone under the radar, but now it certainly looks like he’s hiding something.

I should have kept the link, but I found a piece somewhere that indicates no one active among the alumni of his class at Columbia can recall ever seeing Obama in a class. Not once. That’s very odd, since elsewhere one of his professors was rapturous about how brilliant he was. How does one get an undergraduate degree without showing up for any classes? That’s not how I came by mine.

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13Richard on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:14 pm:

In the book that Obama reviewed and presumably read, was there no biography of the author, Bill Ayers?

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14hermeneutics on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:15 pm:

I just sent the image and link to Drudge, Zombie. I’m pretty sure he’ll read my mail but have no idea what he’ll do with it.

My best to you.

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15chicagoray on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:17 pm:

Good work putting that post together from an Illinoisan who’s kept his eye on this chameleon clown since his heavily orchestrated career found it’s way through the sludge politics of Chicago. Here we know all too well how good of friends Ayers and Obama are as your post documents, practically best of friends asa matter of fact. Ayers in many ways has been just another one of Obama’s surrogate fathers out there he’s accumulated since his own was such a drunken philandering Muslim lowlife.
To open your comments on this post I see lib troll “Just me” pulls out the race card like a good little Obama soldier whenever the truth is spoken about their filthy, dirty, lying and cheating candidate who’s been lying to Illinoisans from the very day he set foot here and continues to do so today.
So Just, do us all a favor and “just” take that race card of yours and stick it right in Obama’s tight a**, where your nose seemingly resides most of the time. Obama’s not even a full blooded African American in the firist place, that’s an insult to true African American’s who’ve experienced true racism of the worst order instead of the Fruit Loop Obama hurt my feelings type. <furthermore how can whites be racist against a guy who’s just as white as he is black if not more? You people need some history lessons you seemed to have missed in your no child left behind classes because simple dissension doesn’t qualify.

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16Rachel on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:20 pm:

So let me get this straight.

Barak Obama is asked to name his current favorite book and he names the Ayers book?

This is news to me. Up to now I was under the impression that he was asked to give a review of the book, not that he had to come up with a book he liked.

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17Jaibones on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:24 pm:

Let’s see:

- 24 hours after a Toledo plumbing apprentice named Joe had the audacity to hope he could question the economic philosophy of a presidential candidate, the MSM knows and has published every detail of the man’s life.

- 2 years after a junior Illinois Senator, newly elected and virtually unknown, begins a run for President, the MSM refuses to investigate his background, his published work, his school records, his work as a state senator, and his association with a domestic terrorist who had high political connections in the mob-controlled Chicago Democrat party and who coincidentally and mysteriously avoided prosecution for bombing the Pentagon and the Capitol Building.

Journalism in the U.S. no longer exists. Partisan propaganda has replaced it.

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18zombie on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:25 pm:

#6 Ken:

If the writers who wrote forwards to editions of “Mein Kampf” praised it the way Obama praised Ayers, then YES, they would be guilty by association. Your attempt at excusing Obama on this point only ended proving the opposite point. Thanks for the help!

Ayers kept bombing things and attempting the kill people until 1974 or ‘75, when Obama was 13, not 8. But it doesn’t matter that Ayers’ crimes happened when Obama was young — It matters that Obama associated with him when they were both adults.

Let’s say, following your example, that Hitler survived the war, and I spent my time chumming around with him. And if people said I was staining my character by associating with Hitler, could I believably say, “Oh heck, Adolf hasn’t killed anyone in years! I wasn’t even born yet when he was a mass murderer. Let’s put the past behind us.”

And if you are claiming Ayers is innocent, simply because he weaseled out of a conviction on a technicality, then I have lost all respect for you. Ayers himself said he was “guilty as hell.” Have you read Prairie Fire, his communist manifesto? I suggest you do. The scales will fall from your eyes.

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19Jaibones on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:26 pm:

PS Right on, Ray.

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20Federalist on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:33 pm:

Compliments from an opp research pro. This is excellent job of running down a lead and generating a persuasive and fully documented analysis.

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21El on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:45 pm:

Zombie~

Not only did Ayers claim to be “guilty as hell” and in 2001 said, ”I don’t regret setting bombs…I feel we didn’t do enough”, but also in the 2001 article when asked if he would do it all again said, “I wouldn’t discount the possibility”.

He is not only unrepentant, but by his own words cannot be assumed not to be a current or future terrorist, as he does not discount doing it again.

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22Michelle's American White Racist on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:47 pm:

Is anyone making a list of all these crossed paths? Surely the NY Slimes doesn’t.

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23steve on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:49 pm:

I voted for Obama in the primary here in Texas, but now I am wondering why Barack is lying about knowing this Ayers creep .

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24torabora on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:50 pm:

Obviously this is a photoshopped hoax.

snark.

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25Seth Halpern on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:50 pm:

Editor(#5): The blurb’s prose seems too conventional for Ayers to have written it. My guess is Obama did. If you think I’m insinuating something extra, you’re right.

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26AmishDude on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:51 pm:

This is nice. So this was the book Obama chose to talk about, huh? Of all of the possible books he could have chosen, of all of his buddies from UC law school he could have chosen to promote, he chose to talk about Bill Ayers, huh?

I love how Obama doesn’t understand how the space-time continuum works. If it happened in the past, when Obama was 8, then by virtue of it already happening, he would be capable of knowing about it now.

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27INCITEmarsh on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:53 pm:

chicagoray

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28INCITEmarsh on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:54 pm:

Crap. Pushed the wrong button.

chicagoray, Just me’s post was clearly in jest. Hence the smiley.

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29Willy on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:55 pm:

Rachel, yes, he was asked to name book that he is currently reading (see by-line in the third photo) and this is his short blurb on it.

Zombie, Thank you for this great service. W

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30jasperjava on Oct 18, 2008 at 10:10 pm:

What this proves is that Obama reads books. This is extremely suspicious to the anti-intellectual wing of the Republican Party.

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31Sam on Oct 18, 2008 at 10:16 pm:

Wow, McCain is grasping at straws if a book review is all he has. Obama will win in a landslide!

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32Fred5678 on Oct 18, 2008 at 10:19 pm:

Panel was November 20, announced on November 6:

Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four panelists who will speak on juvenile justice at 6 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 20, in the C-Shop

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33zombie on Oct 18, 2008 at 10:25 pm:

31 Sam

Please read the previous post on this blog. Have you paused to consider the purpose and function of your comment? Why would you say such a thing? What are you trying to achieve? Read the link in the previous post and report back.

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34zombie on Oct 18, 2008 at 10:27 pm:

32Fred5678 said
“Panel was November 20, announced on November 6″

Good catch!! I’ve already now fixed the post to say Nov 20. Thanks!

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35Rancher on Oct 18, 2008 at 10:33 pm:

Out standing! Now can you find the April 1995 Chicago Sun-Times article that said:

You’ve got only a couple thousand bucks in the bank. Your job pays you dog-food wages. Your credit history has been bent, stapled, and mutilated. You declared bankruptcy in 1989. Don’t despair: You can still buy a house.

This was the result of lawyers and ACORN presuring banks to make riskier and riskier loans. Stanley Kurtz at NRO is my source but I can’t find a primary source on google.

Your a hero man.

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36Cindy on Oct 18, 2008 at 10:34 pm:

Ken wrong. The charges against Ayers were not dropped, that implies that there was not enough evidence to prosecute - untrue.
Ayers was released on a technical error. In others words he beat the wrap. So he got away with murder and mayhem. He is not different from Timothy McVeigh.

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37dennis on Oct 18, 2008 at 10:35 pm:

so if this Ayers guy is such a bad person-
1- why is he allowed to be a professor at a major US university? holding the titles of Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar. (Wikipedia)
2- and was he, in 1997 Chicago awarded him its Citizen of the Year award for his work on the project (Wikipedia)
3- and why did “billionaire Walter Annenberg, former ambassador to the United Kingdom under President Richard Nixon” (Wikipedia) allow the Ayers guy to be on this Annenberg Chicago Challenge

as to the alleged quote that he ‘wish he had done more (bombing)’. this is not true. he said he ‘wished he had done more’, and when asked about this he said what he meant was that he had done more to stop the war.

I really dont care. The issues to me are 1- the Republicans have raped and pillaged this country enough. time for a change.

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38miira on Oct 18, 2008 at 10:50 pm:

Of course, keeping kids who kill their parents out of the system would suit a guy who declared everyone should “Kill your parents!”. This would be Billy Ayers’ kinda kid! noquarterUSA

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39Angie on Oct 18, 2008 at 11:06 pm:

who cares if he wrote a review? He never denied knowing the man. This is ridiculous, and anyone who feels it’s a reason to keep him out of the White House is deeply disturbed.

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40Brian W. on Oct 18, 2008 at 11:15 pm:

Wow, the Obama Fascists are grasping at straws if they think this is about a book review.

Fact: Obama was eight years old when Bill Ayers began committing his crimes.

Fact: Obama was THIRTY-NINE when Ayers told the New York Times, published on 9/11/2001, ”I don’t regret setting bombs.’I feel we didn’t do enough.” (Love the way the Dems always leave out the first part of the quote when attempting to dispute it.) Yet he contnued serving on the Woods Fund with Ayers for more than a year, until 12/11/2002.

The issue here is not complicity in Ayers’s crimes. Obviously there is none. The fact is OBAMA LIED about how well he knows Bill Ayers. Obama was appointed the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a group FOUNDED BY BILL AYERS. Ayers worked with Obama to draft CAC’s bylaws.

Don’t you find it strange that in neither of his two autobiographies does Obama even mention his FIVE YEARS as head of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge? Why?

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41Andrew O. on Oct 18, 2008 at 11:16 pm:

Just looking at information available through Wikipedia, one can point out the following. Columbia University alumnus Barack Obama was in New York at the same time as, guess who? Bill Ayers, our favorite domestic terrorist! Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983, but stayed in New York another two years; while Ayers attended Bank Street College (located near Columbia), earning a M.Ed. in Early Childhood Education there in 1984. Ayers continued his studies at Columbia and completed his Ed.D. in Curriculum and Instruction in 1987, but it is unclear whether he resided in New York while doing his doctoral research, since from 1984 to 1988 his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, worked for the prestigious Chicago law firm Sidley & Austin (rich family connections are always helpful, even when you’re a leftist radical). My guess would be that the Ayers couple resided together in Chicago from 1984, …which is where Obama arrived in June of 1985. Three years later (Fall 1988) Obama entered Harvard Law School, but the next summer he returned to Chicago where he worked as a summer associate at, you guessed it, the law firm of Sidley & Austin. That’s where he met his wife, Michelle, who became an associate at the firm, just as Bernardine Dohrn was offered an adjunct professorship at Northwestern Law School.

One could say that this is a mere coincidence (or Divine Providence)… But hey, let’s all just go Disney and sing: “IT’S A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL…”.

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42Ry on Oct 18, 2008 at 11:52 pm:

You people are outright fabricating this argument. Barack Obama never denied he knew Bill Ayers. Of course he did. He never denied Bill Ayers worked on the Annenberg Challenge. You’re putting words in his mouth and saying he made assertions that he did not.

He knew the man in his professional capacity as a teacher of education and a board member. So what about those who currently attend the University of Chicago as students in Bill Ayers’ classes, or are colleagues of his? What about the literally dozens of people of different political persuasions who work and have worked with him and each other in the past to secure grants for school projects? Are they all unfit to serve in a public capacity as well, simply because of guilt by proximity, or is there a double-standard here for Barack Obama?

You people are mad about Bill Ayers because he knew the Democratic candidate for President. There’s nothing else to it. If there were you would be holding John McCain’s feet to the fire for his friendly ties to G. Gordon Liddy, who conspired to murder innocent political opponents and advocated gun violence against federal agents, or Sarah Palin’s close relationship with the radical Alaska Independence Party, whose founder died from a mischarged bomb.

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43pat on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:15 am:

But I only knew Ayers because we lived on the same street, he baby sat my kids, he got me a job at Annenberg that allowed me to rip off millions, he baby sat my kids, I started my career in his living room, and he actually wrote my autobiography. But other than that he was a stranger that I only heard about when i was 8. But he was cool. BTW. Is there any lobster around? Michelle likes lobster on the weekends.

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44pat on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:17 am:

Ry ,
You mean as opposed to Ayers bomb that went off?

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45LegalBeagle on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:23 am:

#37- The Republicans may rape and pillage, but at least the village can recover. Once the Democrats are finished looting and burning, there’s nothing left.

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46rickl on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:31 am:

Zombie, here’s a challenge for you. I read this comment at another blog. I’m not up to doing it, but it sounds like a good idea if you want to pursue it:

On a semi-related note, some investigative blogger ought to really put together a visual timeline of Obama’s known history, with a parallel timeline for his interactions with Ayers / Dorn. And another parallel track of his interactions with ACORN.
Plot it against his political campaigns, so the intersections of his meetings, board memberships, awards and accolades all dovetail with his political offices.
Do another track for his interactions and marriage to his wife, her interactions and activities.
Another with Rev Wrights church, and another for Wright himself in his own arc from Farrakhan, thru NOI, Black Panthers, the whole black-marxist shit-sandwich.
Put it ALL together, a synthesis, a readily absorbed track of Obama’s life that can be internalized in an instant, visually. Then splash it all over the internet.
Really should have been done months ago when Obama was throwing folks under the bus every other day claiming to not know them. Utter horseshit, and demonstrably so with such a timeline.

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47aquaviva on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:36 am:

The reason Ayers and Dohrn are “acceptable” in Chicago is b/c of Ayers’ father, Tom Ayers. In Chicago (my hometown) it’s “who ya know”. The phrase is “we don’t want nobody that nobody sent’.

Anyway, Tom Ayers was a very close personal friend of Chicago’s incredibly powerful mayor (Richard M. Daley), i.e current mayor’s father. Tom was CEO of Commonwealth Edison and served on MULTIPLE boards, including Northwestern Univ. (now you see how Bernadine can have gotten a law professorship there even though she can’t practice law due to crimes).

Here’s a link to Tom Ayers’ info which shows how connected he was:
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2007/06/ayers.html

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48KrlyQ on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:24 am:

Wow! It never ceases to amaze me how Obama supporters refuse to see the facts when it’s thrust in front of them. Get off of the sarcastic remarks about all it proves is that he reads books and if this is all McCain has…blah, blah, blah.

The fact of the matter is this is not the first time Obama has been questioned about his associations. Notice how quickly he dropped Jeremiah Wright when the American public heard Wright’s rantings about “God Damn America”. Obama sat in that man’s church for 20 years!! That gave us a glimpse into what his views are, but now because he publicly denounced Wright, you Obama slaves have pretended like it never happened. To sit under that teaching for 20 years and think that America will believe that you have patriotic concern for its citizens is laughable, at least to those of us who refuse to check our brains at the door.

Then add to it this Bill Ayers situation, which several knew about since before the Primary but the liberal media refused to even mention. Obama tried to dismiss it like it was no big deal, but as time goes on we find that he was much more involved with this man than he cared to admit. And wouldn’t you know it, Bill Ayer’s views are anti-American just like Obama’s pastor!! I’ll be damned, what a coincidence!

Just a little word of advice, please don’t ever allow your feelings for a candidate to turn your brains to mush. I know some may think it shows loyalty to the candidate and to their political party, but honestly it’s not loyalty, it’s just outright stupidity!

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49Ken on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:19 am:

Zomb,

“Let’s say, following your example, that Hitler survived the war, and I spent my time chumming around with him.”

If you were up at his chateau every week, taking care of his mansion when he was away, babysitting his kids, going bowling with him on a nightly basis, having a beer with him when he was feeling down, if you had been bosom buddies and decades-long BFF then, yes, I would say you’re one and the same.

Obama, as far as I know, is guilty of sitting on a panel with Ayers, having a party in his house, and, thanks to your keen detective work (that’s a genuine compliment, BTW. I already told you before that I love your site and your muckraking), writing a blurb about a book Ayers wrote. I even cited a New York Times article that said there was no evidence of a serious relationship between the two.

Obama clearly had a much more serious relationship Wright who, thankfully, is little more than a windbag. If Obama was as close with Ayers as he is/was with Wright then that would be something else entirely.

@ Zeno

“By the way, how’s Barbie?”

Grow up, dork.

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50JWG on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:52 am:

People hang out who share the same belief system as they do. Makes sinse?
Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Beware.

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51Sowell Disciple on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:12 am:

Ken “even cited a New York Times article that said there was no evidence of a serious relationship between the two.” New York Times! Great sense of humor, Ken. (re: comment #49)

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52Pete on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:25 am:

To the Obamatons, absolutley nothing can, or should, stop Obama from taking the White House this year.

Obama knew Ayers? This means nothing.., he was only an aquaintence….
Obama worked with Ayers? This means nothing, Obamam also worked with a Reagan offical…
Obama launched his political career in Ayers living room? This means nothing. Probably never happened…
Obama believes he needs to spread your wealth around? Ignore that part, attack the Plumber.
Obama read Ayer’s left-wing book and wrote a positive review in a Chicago Newspaper? This means nothing, doesn’t everybody read books of Left-wing unrepentant terrorists and give them positive reviews??

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53naguabo79 on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:37 am:

In all this discussion about Obama and Ayers, there is one thing missing: the interview. Joe the Plumber was interviewed and hounded by the media within minutes of Obama’s idiotic answer to a simple question about taxes. But two years after Obama started his campaign for president, there has not been one single attempt to interview Bill Ayers. Why is that? Why has the media not brought him to CNN, MSNBC, NBC, or ABC and asked him in public abut his associations with Obama, his terrorist past, his unrepentant spirit, and his interview on September 11, when he appeared stepping on the American Flag? It is curious that the fact that Joe the Plumber does not have a plumbing license is newsworthy, but the fact that Bill Ayers was a terrorist is not.

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54JoeInMI on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:44 am:

Already alluded to above, and easy to overlook (or gloss over), but perhaps the most telling aspect of the Obama/Ayers connection debate: Obama, along with Ayers, sat atop the board of the Annenberg Challenge, distributing some $150,000,000 over half-a-decade. Obama writes not one, but TWO autobios, and manages to skip over this most significant (one would think) period of his professional life? The one entry in his resume that actually involves executive experience?
Maybe he forgot.
Or, maybe - and this cannot be discounted - he doesn’t want to bring to light his part in an endeavor which was such a massive failure.
Or, maybe this puts The One a little too close to…
Oh, nevermind. It all happened soooooo long ago, who cares?
Right?

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55Willy on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:47 am:

This is not just guilt by association, as the leftists say in dismissing Wright, Ayers, Rezko, and so forth. This is guilt of association. He sought out and chose these people as helpers in the advancement of his political career and material well-being.

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56JoeInMI on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:58 am:

Right on, Willy.
I mean, how many times can a person say “This is not the (fill-in-the-blank) I thought I knew”, before those without scales on their eyes start to realize the guy is either a complete moron, or a cynical liar?

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57Contributor on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:39 am:

So? A hot topic and one that Mr. Obama is working on in the Court system. Some guy in the neighborhood, who just happens to have somewhat of a reputation for something writes an apropos and well-written book, and Mr. Obama writes a review or compliment for the book. Mr. Obama never said that he didn’t know Mr. Ayers, nor did he say he was over for tea every afternoon. Mr. Obama did not lie nor mislead about their association. This argument by Mr. McCain, Ms. Palin, and the Republican party has got to fly in the face of desperate rationality at the very least.

Does one necessarily think that cardiologist over at Cleveland Clinic who pioneered use of new heart-saving techniques doesn’t know about the guy that in Africa that pioneered the first heart transplant (was it Dr. DeBakey?), or the guy that first used a newly invented heart-lung machine? Say, what if they lived in the same neighborhood 30-40 years later, even? Say, what if one of them wrote a book. Say, do they even know the other’s political party? Does it matter, really? No.

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58Thingumbob on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:45 am:

Honorable men ?
If you recall the congressional testimony during Oliver North Iran Contra hearings, one thing that conspicuously stood out was so many Republican “character witnesses” incessantly referring to North as an “honorable man.” Yesterday it was widely reported that John McCain stood up for Barrack Obama in like manner when some woman at one of his rallies assailed Obama as an “Arab.” McCain, pulling the microphone from her hands, declaimed that Obama was an honorable man, or some words to that effect. Well now, it seems that the old saw “it takes one to know one” perfectly applies in this case. McCain, after all, dumped his ailing crippled wife for a young beer heiress and then went on to choose a ex-beauty pageant Governor as his running mate. Why wouldn’t such a man admire how Obama parlayed his many years long connections with the Ayers family into a successful run for the Democratic Party Presidential nomination, all the while keeping it at arms length. What was it that Roosevelt said about Joe Kennedy?

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59Joeb on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:47 am:

William Ayers is about to be elected to the White House through in the person of Obama? Say it ain’t so!

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60forest on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:48 am:

Great work. The blurb doesn’t just establish another close association between Obama and Ayers. Much more troubling is that Obama is enthusiastically endorsing Ayers book and his way of thinking. The ideological connection and Obama’s lying about it matter much more than the simple “association” between the two. I’ve “associated” with some objectionable chracters - I had a couple communist professors in college, and I even know a guy who’s now in jail for murder, but I’m not blurbing their books, working for/with them or in any way endorsing their ideology.

I’ve had a low opinion of the major media for a while now, but the contrast of Palin/Joe the Plumber/Barack Obama “coverage” takes the cake. They have every bit of dirt on Joe within a couple of days, yet no journalists have bothered to look at microfilm at the library to confirm simple facts about Obama/Ayers. I’d like to say I’m amazed, but I can’t.

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61forest on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:49 am:

Oh, BTW, anybody familiar with the content of that book?

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62Austin on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:50 am:

Why would Obama have any reason to know about Ayers past? You say you find it impossible to believe he didnt’, but you have no evidence at all. None. Not even a hypothetical explanation of how conversation might have come up. So, does McCain have anything else other than this?

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63LogicalUS on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:57 am:

Ken and you other Obama-morons, a question:
If William Ayers is no big deal then WHY does your candidate feel the need to LIE as has been exposed? Why are you upset at the people who expose the Obama lie and not your candidate? This is similar to Obama lashing out at Joe the Plumber Thursday because he asked a simple question and Obama blew the answer?

Because Willaim Ayers = Tim McVeigh, that’s why. And Obama closely tied himself to these anti-American nuts in
Chicago, Ayers, Wright and Phelger, to get power. Now whether Obama himself is an anti-American nutjob or a power hungry boob willing to overlook the actions and views of anyone in his quest for power, I will leave for others. But neither should be elected leader of this nation.

Now it appears that Obama and Ayers shared the same office space along with another nutjob communist, Mike Klonsky during his time with the Annanberg Challenge.

The most astute indictment of the American left and liberals I have heard this weekend, is that William Ayers, domestic terrorist, is an acceptable member of their society but Governor Palin is not.

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64Seth Halpern on Oct 19, 2008 at 7:02 am:

Re ##5,25: Then again, “rescue hope from despair” does sound like the sort of language Jack Cashill found to be notably characteristic of Ayers. I just hate to infer Obama’s non-authorship from such a meager snippet. And there’s always the possibility of imitation, the highest form of flattery.

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65Gene-Fairfax, Va on Oct 19, 2008 at 7:11 am:

So let me get this straight, Obama picks this one book out of millions to be his favorite book at that moment and writes a complimentatry review.
Obama’s wife organizes a panel and includes Ayers and Obama to discuss the narrow topic of trying teenagers as adults in Chicago’s juvenile justice system. Both of them were experts on this topic virtue of spending time working on the same topic, at the same time and in the same jurisdiction.
Michelle worked with Ayers wife at the firm where Obama met his wife and still the media contends that they did not know each other except for in passing while serving on a board together and further that Obama had NO KNOWLEDGE OF AYER’S PAST. Hoooo- ie

And the Democrats close their eyes, ears and noses and fork out $150 million dollars in Sept. to support this fraud.
Double Hoooo- ie

Look, we only need 4% of undecideds to read about this and support McCain. Somebody has got to care about character in their President.

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66JoeInMI on Oct 19, 2008 at 7:22 am:

Forest asks, “Oh, BTW, anybody familiar with the content of that book?”
Ayers’ book was a critical look at the juvenile justice system, with a jaundiced, liberal eye. At the time, the alarm was being raised nationally about the steep rise in violent juvenile crime, and many within the juvenile justice system had concluded (rightly, i.m.o.), that through neglect and outright parental abdication of responsibility (amongst other causes), many young teenaged boys were becoming “super-predators” - so depraved in their victimizing of anyone they regarded as vulnerable, that they were un-rehabilitatable. You may remember some of the controversy at the time regarding the proper age at which to jail serious offenders.
Ayers, of course, was pushing his old agenda of “community activism”, and peacey-lovey-hopey collective hugging of these kids, which would lead them to be productive citizens. And, of course, the fact that it was really the guns that were committing all this juvenile crime, and not the people pulling the triggers.

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67stupidityrules on Oct 19, 2008 at 7:28 am:

Zombie is a good name for this blog. Just what America needs….a look to the future based on fear, brainlessness, and the invention of imaginary monsters. Oooooo, Obama will fill the White House with patriot-eating terrorists and socialists and welfare queens. A question: did any of you graduate 8th grade?

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68Steve on Oct 19, 2008 at 7:28 am:

You poor people are pathetic. Take two steps back and listen objectively to yourselves. Your guilt-by-association meme is thin, grasping, and ultimately pathetic. You really need a life - any life at all would be a step up.

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69CM on Oct 19, 2008 at 7:32 am:

I’m so tired of this “Barack was only 8 years old” meme. No one is accusing HIM of being a terrorist or participating!! It was your choice though senator, to associate with Ayers after the fact.

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70biwah on Oct 19, 2008 at 7:35 am:

Nice non-scoop. Keep yelling though, something is bound to turn up.

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71JoeInMI on Oct 19, 2008 at 7:40 am:

Austin asks, “Why would Obama have any reason to know about Ayers past?”

Uh…I dunno.
Maybe because he sat for years on a board with him, making decisions about what to do with $150,000,000?
Maybe because Ayers is a notorious big mouth who proudly boasts of his exploits as a domestic terrorist, ALL THE TIME. Remember, “Guilty as hell, free as a bird!”? He has repeated this literally hundreds of times. It’s his calling card.
Maybe because Obama was working with Ayers on the board of the Annenberg Challenge on 9/11/01 - the day the NYT piece with Ayers’ now famous quote about not doing enough as a terrorist was published?

Do you really go around with your head so far up your butt that you can ignore this stuff, or do you just thing everyone else is stupid?

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72Truth on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:23 am:

Conservatives have those strange, convenient, dichotomous opinions. Would you not sit down with that local minister who has an outstanding reputation in the community who decades earlier had been an accomplice to some heinous crimes? You’ve probably even had that minister serve you communion, but you never knew that as a 20 year old he’d made passionate errors of judgment and strategy. Why would you even wonder about his past? Wouldn’t you be satisfied, even impressed, with what he is doing know, in the present, with you?

Aren’t most of you Conservatives Christians who believe in a God that preaches forgiveness?

How have you fallen so far as to chastise those who would do what you do, and who follow that advice of that God you site when it is convenient for those selfish purposes of yours?

How do you live with yourselves and that self-deprecating hypocrisy?

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73SH on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:27 am:

Thanks so much for your research Zombie!
Maybe one of the reasons he wanted to do the review was because he 1996 he was a member of the “New Party.” With socialist views like that it would seem proper to endorse Ayers book..

http://web.archive.org/web/20010724081433/www.populist.com/11.96.Edit.html

“New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark., City Council, a seat on the county board for Little Rock and the school board for Prince George’s County, Md. Chicago is sending the first New Party member to Congress, as Danny Davis, who ran as a Democrat, won an overwhelming 85% victory. New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago.

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74gottasay on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:31 am:

you guys are a bunch of fucking retards.

Are you actually convincing yourselves that there is some criminal connection between these two men and that’s all the proof you need to ignore everything else he has said during this campaign? Don’t you have jobs? Children? Personally, I can’t stand the thought of my nieces and nephews growing up with a No Child Left Behind education. You people seem to embrace this ignorance.

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75Mats on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:51 am:

Ken #6

Writing a tiny blurb of a review does not, in any way, mean that you support the actions of the author. If it does then I feel sorry for the guys who write the forewards of the English editions of “Mein Kampf.” Are they going to be implicated in a similar “guilty-by-association” fashion, as well?

Huh, false analogy. If someone PRAISES Mein Kampf’s ideological motives then it’s logical to conclude that the praiser agrees with Hitler’s view.

Ayers was active when Obama was 8 years old. Charges against Ayers were dropped 20 years ago.

They were dropped, not because he was innocent but due to ilicit surveillance by the cops or something.

This is a non-issue, distracting us from the real issues. It certainly isn’t any kind of “deep” relationship.

This is an issue that reveals that Obama is a liar. He claims that Ayers is just “someone who happens to live in his neighbourhood”, but turns out that Obama and Bill Ayers, the anti-american terrorrist, have deep ideological ties.

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76pre-Boomer Marine brat on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:53 am:

Good work!
*grin* … DAMN! This is PROFESSIONAL!

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77Bug on Oct 19, 2008 at 9:09 am:

Thank you for the pictures and the proof… I’m using it for my latest entry.

Ever notice that the louder he protests, the more proof that comes out against him?

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78exDemocrat on Oct 19, 2008 at 9:36 am:

Media: “did you know that Palin has a tanning bed?”

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79AmishDude on Oct 19, 2008 at 9:47 am:

“A question: did any of you graduate 8th grade?”

If you want to know, I have a Ph.D. in mathematics and over 2 dozen publications. I didn’t get a BS Ed.D. degree like Ayers (this would be prima facie evidence that the man is actively stupid) and I didn’t get a wussy law degree.

In order to get a Ph.D. in mathematics, you have to pass actual qualifying exams, compete against students from all over the world, study 5000 years of learning (well, the difficult stuff is in the past 300 years) be able to solve problems and write the solutions in a concise, coherent manner and write an actual dissertation which solves at least one mathematical problem that had never been solved before.

If I were to have a lobotomy, the piece they’d take out could have outperformed Obama at Harvard Law, not to mention the rara dodo, Joe Biden.

And, yes, I did finish the 8th grade. Unfortunately, I had a lot of woeful Ayers-inspired public education to overcome to get where I am.

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80KrlyQ on Oct 19, 2008 at 9:57 am:

I am taking an online class and my business professor called me one evening and we had a long discussion about politics and philosophy. At one point during the conversation I mentioned how surprising it is that too many people today don’t use critical thinking. She remarked that it is not so surprising.

To disregard the fact that he wrote a COMPLIMENTARY PIECE on Ayers’ book indicates and proves what people have been saying all along; Obama has Marxist views and is anti-American. Even his refusal to acknowledge patriotic symbols said that. It’s sad when people are given the keys to freedom throw them away based on misguided loyalty. When this nation ends up looking like a third world country, you Obama fans should be the last ones to openly ask, “What happened?” A candidates character is of extreme importance! Those responsible for the freedom we have enjoyed (in some fashion) for the past 200 years understood that:

“The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men.” Samuel Adams 1775

“Nothing is more essential to the establishment of manners in a State than that all persons employed in places of power and trust must be men of unexceptionable character.” Samuel Adams 1775

“In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate — look to his character….” Noah Webster 1789

This is for you Obamanites! “If Virtue & Knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great Security.” Samuel Adams 1779

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81Dave Surls on Oct 19, 2008 at 9:59 am:

Anyone who thinks that Barack Obama is serious about going after Al Qaida is living in a dream world.

Obviously, the New Messiah has no problem with people who carry out terror attacks against the United States, nor does he have a problem with people who have pledged themselves to destroy the United States (which was the stated goal of Ayers and his pals in the RYM/Weathermen).

The only way Obama is going to go after terrorists is if it furthers his own private agenda, and believe me, love for America and its citizens isn’t part of his private agenda.

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82forest on Oct 19, 2008 at 10:04 am:

“gottasay on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:31 am:

you guys are a bunch of fucking retards.

Are you actually convincing yourselves that there is some criminal connection between these two men and that’s all the proof you need to ignore everything else he has said during this campaign?”

I don’t think there is a criminal connection between them. My concern is that there is apparently a strong ideological connection between them which has served as the basis for their friendship. I posted that above, and others have made similar statements. What you are doing is setting up a “straw man” argument to knock down. That technique is know as a “fallacy”.

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83georgewashingtonlincoln on Oct 19, 2008 at 10:35 am:

I really don’t see the point of most of the comments, or the article. Obama has never said that he didn’t know Ayers… are you suggesting that every politician who’s crossed paths with Ayers, or sponsored his POSITIVE efforts is a potential terrorist?
How many people that are so dead set to implicate Obama through a POSITIVE association with Ayers are CHRISTIANS?
Have you ever heard of forgiving??? Ayers went through OUR judicial system, paid the price and has since made a positive contribution to society. Ayers is a Professor of education. Obama is interested in education… I really don’t see remote PROOF or even believability that this implicates Obama as part of some terrorist leaning. Please go listen to former SECRETARY OF STATE Colin Powell’s endorsement… a Republican, appointed by Bush… and leader in the initial Iraq invasion…. He gets it right, this is wrong.

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84KrlyQ on Oct 19, 2008 at 10:40 am:

Ayers has admitted that he is unrepentant so we cannot forgive someone that holds the same views. As far as his positive attributions, he teaches the same ideology to his students! IDEAS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. This shows what his ideologies are. Don’t you get that??!! You can tell a persons character by the company he keeps. Even their wives worked together on several occasions. Obama didn’t blow up any buildings or get directly involved with terrorism, but he holds the same beliefs of the man who did. USE YOUR BRAINS!

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85KrlyQ on Oct 19, 2008 at 10:42 am:

I also find it funny that you would refer to Colin Powell’s endorsement as credible and meaningful, but don’t hold William Ayers’ endorsement as meaningful!

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86georgewashingtonlincoln on Oct 19, 2008 at 10:55 am:

Everything is meaningful. Sarah Palin supports an independent party whose goal is to SECEDE from the Union… DO YOU GET THAT? That is undeniably unpatriotic. George McCain is friends with G. Gordon Liddy, accepted money from him and goes on yacht trips with hip. G. Gordon Liddy is a domestic terrorist. Grow up… your friends do not make you who you are.
Try to see through the hype. And Yes - Colin Powell’s endorsement is VERY meaningful… he’s denouncing members of his own Party - his PALS. THIS IS A REPUBLICAN SPEAKING WHO’S DISGUSTED ENOUGH by the Party’s actions to speak out agains it. DO YOU GET THAT???

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87georgewashingtonlincoln on Oct 19, 2008 at 11:02 am:

And really, not that I care about some “washed up terrorist” - but here’s some expert sleuthing for you…

pay attention - FEBRUARY 2008 - not last monthe or two months ago…. this is OLD news. and unimportant. Get off it, you won’t because it’s all you’ve got. Pay attention to the last sentence by… THE LEAD FEDERAL PROSECUTOR of the Weather Underground case. Obama will make a good President, accept it and try to be nice.

In February 2008, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement from the senator about the relationship between the two: “Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.”[41] CNN’s review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the non-profit projects in which the two men were involved.[44] Internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic “have said that their reporting does not support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship”.[45] William C. Ibershof, the lead federal prosecutor of the Weather Underground case noted, “I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.”[46]

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88AmishDude on Oct 19, 2008 at 11:09 am:

I see Axelrod’s minions have come to poop in the punchbowl.

Obama: The thuggery of hope.

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89mt man on Oct 19, 2008 at 11:30 am:

—Participants in rebellion
14th amendment
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

an afterthought on obama…what about his years involved with the Joyce Foundation?

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90Dave Surls on Oct 19, 2008 at 11:36 am:

“Conservatives have those strange, convenient, dichotomous opinions. Would you not sit down with that local minister who has an outstanding reputation in the community who decades earlier had been an accomplice to some heinous crimes?”

I’m not particularly conservative, but no I would not do that. I have no desire to “sit down with” traitors, terrorists, aiders and abettors of armed robbers/murderers and communists who have declared their intent to destroy my country.

If it was up to me Bill Ayers and his wife would be executed tomorrow. They made war on the United States. They announced their intention to destroy America. They’re traitors, and the penalty for treason ought to be death.

And anyone who associates with people like Ayers or Bernadine Dohrn isn’t fit to be a citizen, much less hold public office.

If I was running America, Barack Obama would be stripped of his citizenship and barred from ever holding public office due to his association with people like Ayers.

Two more things…

1.) Post #80 ought to be deleted, and the person who posted it ought to be banned from ever posting again. We don’t need to hear that kind of racist crap. I heard enough of it from the Jim Crow Democrats when I was a kid.

2.) Zombie does a great job. Thanks a lot, Zombie.

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91zombie on Oct 19, 2008 at 11:49 am:

90 Dave Surls:

The (former) comment #80 was left by an Obama supporter posing as a redneck racist — a troll, in other words. I already deleted it (as well as several others leaving fake cartoonish racist comments). This is a well-known leftist tactic, and it doesn’t fool anyone anymore.

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92KrlyQ on Oct 19, 2008 at 11:55 am:

“Obama didn’t blow up any buildings or get directly involved with terrorism, but he holds the same beliefs of the man who did.”
Do you think a person with Marxist/Socialist beliefs should be attempting to hold the highest office in this nation? Don’t tell me again about how old he was when Ayers was active in his terrorism! THAT’S NOT THE ISSUE! The issue is his views and how he will run this country. His wanting to have nationalized healthcare is just Socialism. His wanting to FORCE American taxpayers to pay for any woman to have abortions at any time by reversing FOCA is Marxist! His wanting to allow homosexuals in the military will do nothing but drop the number of voluntary recruits and weaken our military, which is fine for someone with Marxist views!! What he plans to do is in line with Ayers’ beliefs, which makes his dealings with him more than a minor issue.

I cannot help that you don’t understand what freedoms we have already lost in this country, or that we will loose so many more with an Obama administration. A person’s decisions are no better than the information he has to make them, and it’s unfortunate that you lack understanding in basics of our governmental system and how much jeopardy it is in if we allow Obama’s policies to infiltrate this country. The Marxist/Socialist views have taken hold in many countries around the world and America has been the last bastion of freedom from that form of tyranny. Those from other countries that could no longer stand to live under that form of government defected here to America. Where are we going to go if we allow those policies here? Where will our escape be? So many Americans have been so dumbed down and taught Marxist views that they don’t even know what it is, what it looks like or how detrimental it is to our freedom. BIG BROTHER government is what he wants but is something America doesn’t need. So do me a favor and don’t send anything else until you get an understanding of this government, its history and the history of the type of government he is trying to implement. And since I have long since given up the idea of suffering fools gladly, I won’t be back!
(dumb asses)

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93forest on Oct 19, 2008 at 11:56 am:

Hmm, a shift from straw man arguments to tu quoque. I prefer tu quoque because it smells like an admission of guilt. You know: “Don’t look at my guy’s mentor, the Maoist terrorist. Your candidates have a couple sorta sketchy loose associations too! So it cancels out, right?!”

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94Misfit138 on Oct 19, 2008 at 11:59 am:

Question: I have a daughter who was born in 2005. If she decides to run for President and launches her campaign with the Taliban from Bin Laden’s cave, how old should she be before starting the whole process? Just want to make sure she has the “Obama Cushion”. You know…so nobody will think she likes to hang w/ terrorists and stuff.

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95CM on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:17 pm:

I’m still not convinced that this proves Obama supports Ayers’ terrorist ideology. It’s a book about the juvenile court system, not a memoir about how much Ayers loved bombing the Pentagon.

How does this prove that Obama supports Ayers’?

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96Fred on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:22 pm:

Scoop!

You win - Obama is a terrorist!

Now - I suppose, so is Colin Powell, who endorsed this secret negro terrorist and America hater! Obama scribed a one-sentence review of an Ayers book - he must want to blow up the Pentagon! Ayers sat at an educational round table with Obama - obvioulsy a conspiracy to kill whitey - or is that Why He?

Keep checking the mail for your pulitzer…

NOT!

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97Fred on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:26 pm:

“If it was up to me Bill Ayers and his wife would be executed tomorrow. They made war on the United States. They announced their intention to destroy America. They’re traitors, and the penalty for treason ought to be death.”

So - big man - go take care of business. it CAN be up to you - but you’re just a big mouth coward who spews from the safty of his keyboard - yellow man.

Bill Ayers is a better man than most of his critics. He never made war on America, he made war on a lying administration, a lying CIA, a lying Pentagon and a lying FBI. Henry Kissinger was a war criminal and a thug…

Go Ayers!

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98Fred on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:28 pm:

“…or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof…”

You’d better see that part where McCain gave up to goods to his NVA captors - making him - kind of a…

traitor.

The laws were later amended - but not when Johnny Mac dishonored his uniform and sold out his country…

just sayin…

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99RedJackson on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:42 pm:

What a mob mentality this site is.

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100social_proof on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:54 pm:

Amazing but sad part of this whole election is that the Media will drag Obama across the finish line.
They have single handedly committed the biggest injustice to the American people. i.e. Not reporting but rather influencing.
Ayers and his scum wife should be the centerpiece of Obama’s campaign. They are the people who launched him into where he is now - Don’t even second guess that.
What bothers me most is why Hillary was able to get under Obama’s skin so often and so deeply but yet, Mccain, with all his experience is unable to get him rattled.
Bottom line is that Obama lies and get away with it. Main media ignores it and the naive majority who’ll vote him into the presidency will have helped perpetuate the biggest election fraud in the US History.

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101buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:04 pm:

Obama’s association with Ayers clearly goes back well before Ayers hired him to distribute millions of dollars of grant money to shoehorn “diversity” propaganda into the Chicago schools.

Nobody hires somebody to, er, redistribute the wealth if they are not damned sure that person will “redistribute” it the way they want it redistributed. And, of course, that redistribution of wealth under Ayers’ auspices is one of the primary pieces of life experience/qualification that Obama brings to justify his candidacy. The other–again with Ayers–is Obama’s distribution of money to the Right Racist Reverends Wright and Pfleger, and to the vote-fraud machine and subprime mortgage bad actor ACORN.

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102forest on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:13 pm:

“95CM on Oct 19, 2008 at 12:17 pm:

I’m still not convinced that this proves Obama supports Ayers’ terrorist ideology. It’s a book about the juvenile court system, not a memoir about how much Ayers loved bombing the Pentagon.

How does this prove that Obama supports Ayers’?”

First off, “terrorist” is no an ideology. It’s a tactic that zealots sometimes use. My problem with the Ayers/Obama relationship is not limited to his use of terrorism against his own country. I don’t care for Ayers’ extreme leftism as it relates to criminal justice, education or just about anything. The fact that he was/is a mentor to Barack Obama is troubling for that reason. So is Obama lying and obfuscating about his relationship with the man.

Let me make this clear to the Obamatons: I don’t think Obama is a violent terrorist because of his close relationship with Ayers, but it sure raises plenty of ideological and general judgment questions about Obama. I know plenty of other people who feel the same way about it, so cut it out with the idiotic straw man arguments.

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103buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:25 pm:

Fred, at #97, opines:

“Bill Ayers is a better man than most of his critics. He never made war on America, he made war on a lying administration, a lying CIA, a lying Pentagon and a lying FBI.”

This statement of Fred’s is, of course, utter nonsense. Manufacturing antipersonnel bombs to murder soldiers and their civilian dates is not “making war on” a lying anything. It is the murderous acting-out of a resentful adolescent grown unchecked to homicidal adulthood; it is absolutely identical to the actions of the Manson Family, whom Ayers’ wife Bernardine Dohrn so famously admired.

The sole difference is that Ayers had a smoother line of faux-political claptrap to justify the actions of himself and his “family”–which is due to his having had a more privileged upbringing and more expensive education than Manson.

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104Dave Surls on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:26 pm:

“Obama scribed a one-sentence review of an Ayers book”

I don’t want a president who writes blurbs for terrorists, or hangs out at the houses of terrorists, or helps terrorists use the public school system to indoctrinate kids, I want a president who kills terrorists.

And, Obama ain’t interested in killing terrorists, he’s interested in being pals with them.

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105Jaeson on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:40 pm:

Obama & Ayers shared an office:

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=2907

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106mt man on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:45 pm:

DOMESTIC terrorist is the real issue of Ayers not wether or not he was a terroist..remember Tim Mcvey

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107Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:45 pm:

William Ayers was absolutely right to bomb empty buildings. To avoid being also guilty of the murder of millions of innocent people, it is categorically imperative according to the moral laws of every major philosophy and religion that every taxpayer must do everything possible to stop an unjust* war being fought with his/her taxes.

Ayers and the other war protesters were ultimately successful in driving Nixon out or his mind and out of office and ending the holocaust that murdered five million innocent Vietnamese people. All Americans owe them a moral debt that cannot be repaid.

* See “In Retrospect”, a book written years after the war by ex-Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara, who designed and managed the war against Vietnam for seven years under Kennedy and Johnson and who knew as much about the background of the war and its cause as anyone else Five million Vietnamese were killed over a thirty year period while successfully defending their backward nation against France and the USA, the most technologically advanced nations, in a war that MacNamara finally admitted was “…wrong, terribly wrong” and that nobody tries to defend today.

Also see the book “Mandate for Change”, 1958, written by President Dwight D. Eisenhower. (When France refused to hold UN supervised elections, he accepted the strings of the puppet government.) In the book, he reports that the CIA told him that “more than 80% of the Vietnamese people support Ho Chi Minh”.

To forestall the usual excretions of right-wing nuts, I state for the record that I am a WW II combat veteran, having served in A-troop of the 4th Cavalry Squadron, VII Corps, D-Day to VE-Day. Read all about it at:

http://pages.cthome.net/firecapt/WorldWarII.html

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108Doug Gambrell on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:47 pm:

Hey Zog, when will McShame explain his “association” with uber-right nut job John K. Singlaub? And when will Flailin explain her “associaiton” with Joe Vogler’s Alaska Secessionist Party (you know, the one that advocates armed revolution against the Lower 48 in order o secede from the Union)? Compared to that demagogery, I’ll take Obama’s “association” with Ayres OVER AN EDUCATION PROJECT any day. I am sickened and disgusted by people like you. Good luck.

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109buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:52 pm:

“Marvin Sussman” says “William Ayers was absolutely right to bomb empty buildings.”

Funny how people died in those “bombings of empty buildings.”

Funny how the WeatherMansonites who experienced a work accident on Tenth Street were building antipersonnel bombs.

Funny how the WeatherMansonites bombed the house of a Federal judge and his family, and only their ineptitude prevented them from murdering the lot.

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110eaglewingz08 on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:56 pm:

Have to agree with Dave, I don’t wan’t as my President, someone who was pals with unrepentent domestic terrorists or pals with apologists of foreign terrorists, or who gave money to Yasir Arafat and his terrorists either.
It is wrong on so many levels and the excuse that Obama was only 8 years old when some of it happened doesn’t wash either, because the last occurrence was in New York in 1981, when Obama was twenty, the Brinks job with Kathy Boudin daughter of a famous NYC attorney.
How do dems do it? I mean they nominate and get elected a pathological liar in 1992 and 1996, with a wonderful personality, and in 2008 they elect, but hopefully won’t nominate, a pathological liar as well, but this nominee even pals around with domestic terrorists and maoists and still they don’t see anything wrong with that.
But don’t question their patriotism! (I don’t question it, cause you can’t question something that doesn’t exist).

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111Dan Cleary on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:57 pm:

@ Ken (comment #49)

re: “I even cited a New York Times article that said there was no evidence of a serious relationship between the two”

Isn’t that the same publication that reported Sarah Palin was once a member of the Alaskan Independence Party (and subsequently had to correct the record)?

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112Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 2:18 pm:

re my post #107, their is no evidence that Ayers participated in a bombing that resulted in an injury or death. Such an event would have been counter-productive.

If innocent people were killed in the USA, the blame belongs to those who initiated or supported an unjust war.

If anyone believes the war against Vietnam was just, they should show where ex-Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara was wrong in his opinion to the contrary.

That would be the reasonable, responsible, and necessary response to my post #107

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113forest on Oct 19, 2008 at 2:29 pm:

“107Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 1:45 pm:

William Ayers was absolutely right to bomb empty buildings.”

Thanks for putting that at the beginning so I didn’t waste time reading any more of your garbage.

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114buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 2:33 pm:

#112: The Weathermen continued their bombings long after the US was out of Vietnam–and did not even pretend, at the time, to use the Vietnam war as a justification.

It is a lie to say that their spree of violence was intended to “stop the war”–as with all terrorists, the war was merely a temporary excuse for the violence. It is a lie to say that the Weathermen did not kill people with their bombs; it is a lie to say that they did not intend to kill people, and would not have killed more had they been able to.

And, if indeed the Weatherman could claim to have had a hand in getting they US out of Indochina, then they share responsibility for the millions murdered by Pol Pot after the US had withdrawn.

Give it up, Marvin: Ayers wasn’t what you say he was, and didn’t do what you say he did. He was a Manson wannabe.

And if he were what you say he was, then he is a worse criminal still for his complicity in enabling the murder of millions of Asians.

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115Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 2:58 pm:

buzzsawmonkey: You are conflating Ayers with the Weathermen. Are you responsible for every criminal act committed by any Republican anywhere, anytime? An individual is responsible only for his own acts.

A fairly accurate biography can be found in the Wikipeadia by googling his name.

Beyond that, you appear to be saying that the son of the CEO of Commonealth Edison would have bombed buildings even if the war against Vietnam didn’t exist. Read your post and tell me if I’m wrong.

Re Pol Pot, google that name to find out that the US supported his regime and that his regime was destroyed by an invasion by … Communist Vietnam!

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116buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:16 pm:

Sussman, Ayers did bomb buildings even after the US was out of the war. So yes, he would have bombed buildings even if the war did not exist.

The communiques that William Ayers and his appalling wife issued to justify their bombings did not reference the war in their later years of activity.

The Weathermen were a murder cult just as much as the Manson Family. Ayers, as one of its leaders, is responsible for its actions just as much as Charles Manson is responsible for the actions of his followers. The notion that Ayers could not be a murderous thug merely because he was born to wealth is stupid. The French Revolution, the Communist revolutions, the Islamist terrorist organizations, have all been led by people born to relative privilege.

I find it significant that, rather than attempting to argue that Ayers might conceivably have grown beyond his murderous past, you attempt to justify that past. That is, quite frankly, morally disgusting.

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117forest on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:25 pm:

I’ll gotta give Sussman some credit. At least he admits he approves of Ayers’ beliefs and terrorist activities.

The others are just trying to disingenuously obfuscate and equivocate on behalf of their savior. Lame. If you think Ayers is A-OK just admit it like Sussman.

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118Alyssa on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:26 pm:

SO WHAT? I don’t care.

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119Alfred j. Lemire on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:26 pm:

You wrote, “This shows the entirety of page 5 of the Chicago Review book section on December 21, 1997.” Should that be: x x x Chicago Tribune Review x x x ? I went to the high-resolution image and enlarged it. I thought I spotted “Review,” but what not sure what appeared between it and “Chicago.” Trying to be helpful: the attribution should e accurate. The site will be visited, perhaps two years from now, when people try to examine what went wrong with the mass news media in 2008, when they decided to assassinate their own credibility. And with that gone, what do they have to offer the public?

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120Ken on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:33 pm:

“I don’t wan’t as my President, someone who was pals with unrepentent domestic terrorists or pals with apologists of foreign terrorists”

Six words:

Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch

Two unreprentant terrorists running around free in America, thanks to the machinations of the Bush family (Jeb in particular) and terrorist apologists like Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. Oh, the irony.

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121Skye on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:34 pm:

Can anyone name any domestic terrorist lurking in McCain’s past? Obama certainly looks like a juvenile in the photo attached to his glowing review of ayer’s book. But I don’t believe he was eight years old when he wrote it.

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122buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:36 pm:

#120: “Two unreprentant terrorists running around free in America, thanks to the machinations of the Bush family (Jeb in particular) and terrorist apologists like Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. Oh, the irony.”

I’m sorry, but can you please point to where the names “McCain” or “Palin” appear in your sentence above?

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123Jan on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:39 pm:

So what? Obama wrote a recommendation for Ayers book. It looks to me like Ayers is trying to do good things with his life. This does nothing to worry me about Obama. If associations is your game, look at some of the nightmares McCain has truly befriended…Keating, Liddy, Reynolds, Betts, the list goes on. Can we move on to real issues instead of the stupid negaative distraction tactics of the loser McCain?

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124buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 3:52 pm:

#123: “It looks to me like Ayers is trying to do good things with his life.”

So you consider Marxist indoctrination of teachers, to be passed on to their young charges, a “good thing?”

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125thats it on Oct 19, 2008 at 4:11 pm:

So now it all makes sense. Obama meets Ayers at Columbia. They form some sort of friendship and share ideas. Ultimately, Obama comes to Chicago because his pal Bill Ayers is here. After Ayers secures the Annenberg grant, he calls on his pal Obama to be the Finance Director (without prior connections, how else could a 30-something with no prior experience get the top job of Finance Director). He continues with the Woods Fund as well.
So it looks like Obama actually has deep roots with Ayers, even though he’s now in strong denial.

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126Joey on Oct 19, 2008 at 4:16 pm:

Ok now Find Something else besides this one time he was in the same room with Ayers, can you prove they were “friends” . FACT. because he served on a bored to STOP YOUNG KIDS FROM BEING PROCICUTED AS ADULTS! with several people, doesn’t make him Even remotely “friends” “Partners” “Conspirators” or even “acquaintances” with Bill Ayers. SOMEONE PLEASE SHOW SOME ACTUAL PROOF! ANOTHER ATTACK JUST BECASUE McCain is behind. Lets focus on the real issues, like bringing the country back out of the deep hole its in…… and no I dont Support Obama …….

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127Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 4:20 pm:

Buzzsaswmonkey: Evidence? Please provide a reference concerning Ayers (not Weatherman) activity after the end of hostilities.

Re Manson, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi did a fantastic job providing evidence tying Manson directly to the Tate and Bianca murders without his presence. By your rules of evidence, I could tie you to Larry Craig in a Minneapolis airport toilet stall. He’s a Republican too. You guys are all alike.

Re Ayer’s wealth, the question is related to his motivation. I am still waiting for you to honestly say: “William Ayers would have bombed buildings even if France and the US had never invaded Vietnam. He just likes to bomb buildings.” What’s the problem? No guts?

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128Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 4:31 pm:

forest #117: You did read all the “garbage” in #107. Was that so difficult? Thanks for the credit, but no, thanks anyway.

You are a coward.

I presented you with an argument against all your beliefs in the form of a credible statement by a credible authority, Robert MacNamara. You deliberately ignored the argument as though it did not exist. You are incapable of serious, intelligent argument.

You are a coward whistling your way past a graveyard.

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129Dave Surls on Oct 19, 2008 at 4:34 pm:

“Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch”

One of those guys fired a rocket at a Polish ship in the United States and did time for it.

Ayers set off a bomb at the Pentagon and walked.

Only in America.

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130Dave Surls on Oct 19, 2008 at 4:39 pm:

“To forestall the usual excretions of right-wing nuts, I state for the record that I am a WW II combat veteran, having served in A-troop of the 4th Cavalry Squadron, VII Corps, D-Day to VE-Day. Read all about it at:”

Yeah, Benedict Arnold was a combat veteran too.

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131Trish on Oct 19, 2008 at 4:40 pm:

For those that don’t want to acknowledge the fact they will be voting for a man who will not even admit his admiration, friendship, and gratitude for campaign fund assistance for the past 8 years, I just want to say that neither did all of those folks in Germany when they elected Adolph Hitler as a leader for change. Sound familiar…it should. Some of you say, “So What?” or “Who Cares?” You ALL should care. WE ALL should care. This Ayers connection is not the ONLY one - you should also be looking at his foreign ties, just to throw one out there for example - to the PLO (Khalidi). I hope ZombieTime will do more sleuthing into Obama’s Jew-hating behavior. Obama is no friend of Israel. Thank you ZombieTime for unearthing the real Obama - we need more out there like you who are willing to tell the truth about who this Democrat “messiah” really is.

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132buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 4:43 pm:

#127: Marvin, Ayers was a member of the Weatherman cult. He has never disavowed any of the actions of that cult–his own, or that of his fellow cultists. He walks free today only because of prosecutorial error, as he himself has admitted in print–and as he himself has admitted in print, he still holds, today, to the demented and criminal worldview of the Weatherman cult in its heyday. That he has learned he can better further his agenda through the use of a sockpuppet candidate and willing fellow-travelers like yourself, lubricated by an appalling and unprecedented amount of money, than he can with maladroit individual bombings, is no cause for comfort.

Would William Ayers have bombed buildings even if the US had not been fighting the Viet Cong? Coulda-mighta is a dicy game to play, but it would by no means surprise me. The Unabomber–like Ayers, an educated whackjob–managed to concoct his own demented rationale for murder and mayhem. There is no reason to presume that Ayers could not, or would not, have done the same. It is, however, a moot point; Ayers did become one of the founders and leaders of a bomb cult, which used the war for its initial excuse–and then used other excuses when that other excuse was not ready to hand.

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133Jessica on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:14 pm:

So what? You’re beating a dead horse. Obama does not deny knowing William Ayers. Obama does not deny knowing that Ayers was in the Weatherman. He reviewed a book Ayers wrote on an important topic — the juvenile justice system. Obama cares about both the justice system and education. And this is bad because???

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134Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:23 pm:

Buzzsawmonkey: You refuse to admit it but it is true. Ayers bombed buildings only because of the holocaust being perpetrated with his taxes because it was a moral obligation to stop an unjust war. He had no other reason to bomb buildings.

In 1950, Marlene Dietrich was booed off the post-war Berlin stage by a Nazi audience. Today she is admired by the younger generation. It takes about 60 years for a new generation to see the facts without prejudice. Ayers is a hero in the same sense that Pastor Bonhoeffer, executed by Hitler for doing what Ayers did, is a hero throughout Germany today.

You are incapable of arguing the question of justice. Go back to #107 and tell me that you are smarter than MacNamara, that you know more about Vietnam and are more of a patriot. Try to use your potential for rational discussion. Don’t let it rot.

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135Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:25 pm:

Dave Suris: Please see #128. You are another one.

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136Dave Surls on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:33 pm:

“So what?”

So, some of us don’t want a president who consorts with and furthers the careers of communist, terrorist, traitors.

Haven’t we made that clear?

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137buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:35 pm:

#133: Obama initially denied knowing Ayers any more than casually. Then he denied knowing about Ayers’ past; it has, of course, since become plain that he has known Ayers quite intimately for quite some time, in circumstances that make it impossible for him not to have been aware of Ayers’ past.

That makes him a liar, for starters–something it seems odd that you “Bush lied” types should be so willing to forgive in a Presidential candidate.

But Obama’s blatant lying is not, as you say, the actual issue. The issue is that Ayers gave Obama his political start; he hired Obama to distribute the Annenberg money that Ayers had scored; he worked with Obama to give away money on the Woods Foundation. Now, nobody hires someone to give away millions they have scored from a grant proposal unless they are damned sure that the person they are hiring will use the money as they want it used. That means that Ayers was well aware, when he hired Obama, that Obama was in tune with and in agreement with Ayers’ goals. And, of course, this was independently confirmed when Ayers and Obama worked together on Woods to hand over money to the Right Racist Reverends Wright & Pfleger; to Rashid Khalidi’s Arab group; to vote-fraud and subprime-scam machine ACORN.

So what you’ve got here is Ayers the unrepentant terrorist, still working to achieve his subversive anti-American goals–with other people’s money, this time, instead of bombs. And you’ve got Barack Obama, clearly in tune with Ayers, working with him to dole out money to create political Balkanization in the Chicago public schools, to fund racists, to fund vote fraud, and to fund the subprime scams that created the current financial crisis.

You can blind yourself to these realities with bland words about “juvenile justice and education,” if you wish. But you are lying to yourself by refusing to see the connections here.

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138DMain on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:40 pm:

I’d like to point out a few things that I think may be important.

I have many associates who share far differing beliefs than my own. Most of my current coworkers are die hard neocons. I am very liberal. The company I joined has gotten me onto my feet in my industry and I often associate with my coworkers outside of work. I’ve been to their houses, met their family, watched their kids. But I would never associate myself with their backwards conservative point of view.

Many of my professors and peers in college were of varying political affiliation, as well. One of my professors was a hard core neocon, and even though I don’t believe he has any sort of grasp on the direction I think this country should go, I do believe he is a very smart person whom I’ve learned a lot from. Our ideals are polar opposites but I consider him a notable mentor in my life.

Palin and McCain both have associated themselves with people who are far from savory, as well. The magnitudes of these relationships differ only slightly, and if you would like to make it a game of associations, we can. The Dems haven’t touched on a number of relationships that can be seen as toxic for the Republicans because they know that it is not what Americans care about at this point. The only ones that do are those who only care about their party winning and have a short sighted view of what American wants/needs. Keep throwing garbage. I considered voting for McCain because, before this whole election took place, he was a moderate conservative with a number of good ideas and a strong backbone. Over the last few months he’s become another worthless Neocon. A Christian Jihadist.

Actually, I can’t say that. I still like McCain. I just feel bad that he has become associated with the unsavory Christian right wing fundamentalists. This is not what America is about. This is not what our troops are sacrificing their lives to defend. This type of fear mongering is going to destroy our country. Open your eyes. Study your history. I’d prefer to have everyone learn from the past than to repeat it. We are already half way there.

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139Dave Surls on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:42 pm:

“Dave Suris: Please see #128. You are another one.”

Yeah, I saw it war hero. Being called “coward” by leftoid skanks and traitors doesn’t affect me too much.

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140buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:48 pm:

#134: Sussman, you offer nothing except your own dementia as “proof” that Ayers bombed because of the Vietnam War. He was the founder and leader of a bomb cult which did not cease its activities with the end of US involvement, and he still holds the same anti-American views. You have not addressed that; indeed, you cannot, for if you did you would have to recognize that you are taking a morally indefensible position.

Even if one granted that US involvement in Vietnam were wrong–a highly debatable proposition in itself–the bombings engaged in by the Weatherman bomb cult were the acts of homicidal lunatics who could not, in any rational moment, have believed that their murderous tantrums would have any effect on the course of the war. To defend them as you do indicates that you are suffering from a triple disconnect from reality–first, your unexamined assumption that the Vietnam war was self-evidently wrong; second, that the bombings were an appropriate, effective, or even remotely justificable response to it; third, that any sane morality motivated the Weatherman bomb cult.

Ayers is no hero; he is a criminal free only because American justice is fairer than he would ever be were he, G-d forbid, to have a chance to administer justice. Marlene Dietrich actually was a hero; she stood up for justice and sanity at a time when she had a lot to lose by doing so. Comparing her to William Ayers, as you do, is foul and dishonest.

As to McNamara, he–like Obama, and like Ayers–is a showpiece for the fact that intelligence is no substitute for moral perspective. McNamara may have come to regret, in retrospect, the hubris of the decisions he made in his youthful pride in his intelligence, but that does not mean that his later analysis, any more than his earlier analysis, is correct. You are merely attempting to wave Big Names to prove points you cannot make with evidence, logic, or morality–and it ain’t workin’, baby.

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141buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:50 pm:

#138: Try explaining what you believe is bad about “neo-cons” and “Christian fundamentalists.” And try to do so without sounding like a bigot.

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142Skye on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:52 pm:

Palin and McCain both have associated themselves with people who are far from savory, as well. The magnitudes of these relationships differ only slightly, and if you would like to make it a game of associations, we can. The Dems haven’t touched on a number of relationships that can be seen as toxic for the Republicans because they know that it is not what Americans care about at this point.

No mention of names or instances. The dems were quick to release all the ’sordid’ secrets of Joe The Plumber, yet they would NOT release any ‘toxic’ relationships relating to Sarah or McCain? Uh-huh.

As Sarah Palin would say: BULLHOCKEY

How much is the Obama/Axelrod campaign paying you to astrosurf?

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143Zuzu on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:54 pm:

Trying to figure out what the newsworthy angle is here. It’s been known for some time that Obama told a newspaper he was reading Ayers book, and like many, many, other people, had good things to say about it.

The fact that Ayers mentioned Obama’s name on one line of his book? Are you kidding me? At the time the book was being written, Obama was well known as the author of a successful and well-reviewed autobiography. He was also running for the state legislature at the time (he was elected by the time the book went into print). So why wouldn’t he be mentioned as a prominent person in the Hyde Park neighborhood?

Are you that desparate to prove that Obama and Ayers knew each other in the ’90s? Why? The fact that they served on those public panels and boards is not a secret. No one else seemed to have a problem serving or working with Ayers at the time. Given Ayers’ stature in the community, and the fact that prominent Republicans were perfectly willing to give him grant money and work with him, it’s completely reasonable that upon ultimately hearing about Ayers’ background, Obama assumed he’d been “rehabilitated.”

Has Obama publicly embraced Ayers and his political background since Ayers published his memoirs in 2001 and gave his interview to the New York Times? Nope.

Oh and by the way, Obama didn’t “launch his political career in Ayers’ living room.” He launched it at a Ramada Inn.

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144ROLF on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:56 pm:

You know, it is absolutely amazing that so many American’s prefer to wallow in irrelevant muck-raking rather than actually address the real critical issue facing this country. It says alot about the focus of the public.

It comes down to one simple question: WHO is best to lead this country into the next decade.

No sane, rational, objective American can seriously believe an aging conservative man and a downhome x beauty (wink wink) queen can get this country out of the mess we’re in. And restore the USA’s standing in the world.

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145buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:57 pm:

#143: Given Ayers’ stature in the community, and the fact that prominent Republicans were perfectly willing to give him grant money and work with him, it’s completely reasonable that upon ultimately hearing about Ayers’ background, Obama assumed he’d been “rehabilitated.”

No. It’s not. Not if he read Ayers’ writings, which he did; not if he had political conversations with Ayers, which he did. Not if he and Ayers gave money to radicals and racists, which they did.

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146Zuzu on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:59 pm:

“Now, nobody hires someone to give away millions they have scored from a grant proposal unless they are damned sure that the person they are hiring will use the money as they want it used.”
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Which means that lifetime Republican Leonore Annenberg must have been sure that William Ayers shared her goals and would use the money as she wanted it used.

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147buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 5:59 pm:

#144: No sane, rational, objective American can seriously believe an aging conservative man and a downhome x beauty (wink wink) queen can get this country out of the mess we’re in. And restore the USA’s standing in the world.

No sane, rational American can seriously believe that an inexperienced radical sockpuppet and plagiarizing blowhard can competently run the Executive Branch.

The USA’s standing in the world is just fine, and will remain so. We can get along quite well without being loved by the international socialist crowd.

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148DMain on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:00 pm:

I don’t support fundamentalists of any religion/politic or any other social theory. It creates division and hate and is unnecessary for a productive democracy. As far as these ‘toxic’ relationships one might mention the keating 5 or alaskan recessionist party. I know there are further examples but I don’t have time to look up the specifics to avoid face checking at the moment so you can just use that as me saying they don’t exist, I don’t really care. They were probably mentioned above somewhere but I didn’t read a vast majority of them. Obama has lied during his campaign. McCain has lied to. Both of them have associated with people I don’t necessarily like or trust. Don’t make this election about division. Make it about what matters most to our country and what each politician brings to the table. If you want to cut him off because he downplayed an association that meant very little to save his image and help himself get elected then you should probably never vote for anyone ever again. Because that would make you a hypocrit.

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149Zuzu on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:01 pm:

#143 :

Right, because it makes much more sense to work backwards from one’s own opinion and support it with one unbased assumption stacked on another.

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150buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:01 pm:

#146: You clearly know little about the art of writing grants, which involves making pernicious goals sound laudable.

Given the number of people here who are willing to take empty buzzwords about “education” at face value, it appears that you, too, would be readily bamboozled by an artfully-drafted grant proposal.

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151DMain on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:02 pm:

Buzzsawmonkey:

If you think we should further alienate our allies and play a game of war then join the military. Otherwise, don’t send my peers into wars because you think you’re better than the rest of the world.

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152ROLF on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:03 pm:

“The USA’s standing in the world is just fine, and will remain so. We can get along quite well without being loved by the international socialist crowd.”

Guess you dont travel - or read - much eh.

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153buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:03 pm:

#148: Don’t make this election about division.

Too late, baby; that’s already been done by the Lightworker and his supporters, who have been playing the race card with drunken abandon for months to hide his racist background.

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154DMain on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:04 pm:

Who is the Lightworker?

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155buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:06 pm:

#151: If you think we should further alienate our allies and play a game of war then join the military. Otherwise, don’t send my peers into wars because you think you’re better than the rest of the world.

I am tired of self-blinded fools who do not recognize that the Islamic world has been at war with us for over thirty years; for forty years, if you count the murder of Robert Kennedy. We’re in a long-haul world war whether we like it or not, but the ostriches like yourself are doing their best to ensure that it will be longer and bloodier than necessary by refusing to look at the reality around them.

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156buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:07 pm:

#154: Apparently you’ve missed the fact that Obama has been referred to as a “Lightworker” by some New Age loon in San Francisco.

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157Zuzu on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:14 pm:

Sorry, that last was to buzzsawmonkey @145.

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158DMain on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:14 pm:

Let me just say that it sounds that you are educated on your opinion and that pleases me. I do disagree with the focus of our current election and that is caused by an obviously differing world view. I’m not going to convince you that I am right and I’m not likely to be convinced by you, either. But I’m going to leave this conversation because I have to leave the house.

Stay informed. The great thing about this country is that most citizens are taking this election so seriously. I apologize for coming off abrasive before. We are in whatever mess we get into together, so let’s do our best to stand up as a single nation to take on whatever threats we must.

In the words of John McCain (although this may not be an exact quote), “I can’t wish you luck, but I do wish you well.”

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159George on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:16 pm:

oh, so many replies…

who even reads these.

Doesn’t it bother anyone that if your family is shot to death by a 15 year old,

Obama wants him to be treated like the ‘child’ he is, and be put back out on the street in less than 3 years.

It’s nuts.

Obama is nuts.

The country is nuts for not seeing it.

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160buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:16 pm:

#152: Guess you dont travel - or read - much eh.

I do plenty of both, thank you. And I am well aware that there are plenty of overeducated socialists who are dying to bring the US down to their level.

Of course, when disaster hits, they come running and whining to the US to bail them out, then spit on the helping hand they invariably get. In the meantime, I don’t notice a whole hell of a lot of illegal immigrants trying to sneak into Russia or Zimbabwe. There are plenty sneaking into Europe, and they are sending it down the tubes.

I well remember all the phony crocodile tears that “the world” shed when the Towers came down–and how quickly those tears turned right back to the usual vitriol when we refused to wallow in victim status. So explain to me why I should give a rat’s ass what other countries think of the US.

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161Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:20 pm:

Buzzsaw, monkey: You still have not presented evidence that Ayers bombed any building after hostilities. You must be afraid to google the available information for fear that you will find yourself to be mistaken.

How would you feel if I asked, ” What were you doing with Larry Craig in that toilet stall, you filthy Republican?” That is the level of your argument.

Re your only reponse on the question of justice (and there isn’t any other question): “unexamined assumption that the Vietnam war was self-evidently wrong”:
(1) This is a remarkable non-sequitur. I presented you with a whole book of heartfelt examination by the ultimate authority on the question. Nobody has examined the question more thouroughly.
(2) You distorted my case, claiming I said the war was “self-evidently wrong”. The evidence is in the book, not in my head.

You have proven yourself incapable of logical argument, the only faculty that separates man from animals. You are unworthy of human company. Slobber in you filth. Vaya con Dios!

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162buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:22 pm:

#161 “Marvin Sussman”: You are an ass. A duplicitous, evasive, and therefore boring ass. And, by your gay-baiting, at least a borderline homophobe on top of that.

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163Mike on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:00 pm:

I don’t get your point. What’s wrong with Obama endorsing a book about the juvenile justice system? Is there anything in the book that you find objectionable?

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164valkyrie on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:01 pm:

I just watched the video, again, of Obama in the primary debate moderated by George Stephanopolous where George asks him about his relationship with Ayers and Obama says, “He was just a guy in the neighborhood.” Obama goes on to make the mistake of calling Ayers a professor of English.

We now know that Obama worked closely with Ayers for many years on education reform issues and he should have known that Ayers was an Education professor…not an English professor.

It dawned on me that it might have been a Freudian slip. With the allegations coming out now that Ayers may have written Obama’s book, Dreams of my Father, did Obama have an “oh sh*t” moment in that debate….thinking, “I hope they don’t find out that Ayers wrote my bestselling book,” and slipping up and calling Ayers an English professor.

It seems odd to me that he would make that slip-up…unless he was distracted thinking about Ayers primarily as a writer, and primarily as the writer of his supposed autobiography.

Obama and Ayers are two peas in a pod. I would love it if someone asked Ayers, “So Bill, what was your favorite part in Dreams of My Father? Was it hard to write?”

Pants on fire, indeed.

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165rich (richmanwisco) on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:01 pm:

Seriously.

This is still the best you can do? He read a book? And that’s convincing proof that Senator Obama studied at the feet of domestic terrorists? That this is what the McCain campaign has bet everything, and I mean everything, on? This is the big scandal? To somehow divert our attention away from Keating, Liddy, robocalls, and a certain governor who is a flat out liar and supporter of domestic terrorists herself?

Look! A baby bear!

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166Rolf on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:08 pm:

“So explain to me why I should give a rat’s ass what other countries think of the US.”

Such a narrow view. Again the answer is simple.

Perhaps an analogy will work for you here.

Imagine you are sharing a house with many other people. But you are the rich one. You hog the couch, you have your OWN fridge, you overeat, you are loud and belch alot, you think your views are the only ones that are valid, and you greedily consume so much more of the things needed for daily survival than many others.

You swagger around and demand people listen to you. You force your views on people.

Sure, at times you have a kind streak and - and you help others out - usually when it is to your advantage - and you overlook some who are being abused when it is not. If someone has something you want - you just go into their room and take it. And you keep others from taking things from the rooms of those who pledge loyalty to you.

But really, you don’t care a rats ass what others living in the house think of you. Basically, you are an arrogant, self obsessed, overwieght, greedy, bigoted ass. No wonder no one likes you. And of course you are blind to that fact - how could anyone not like you?? You are the model of perfection! And when people take you aside and mention that “hey - alot of people think poorly of you” - are so narrow minded as to not care weather they do or they don’t.

Then the house starts to burn down…

Get the point?

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167Craig on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:11 pm:

You fail to mention that he did not actually “write a review” this is a quote. A reporter asked him, “hey what do you think about this about this book?” and he said what he said. It’s not like he’s siskel & ebert here. He did not “write” anything. And so what if he likes the guy’s book anyway. Gratz to the winner of the Grasping at Straws Award!

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168buzzsawmonkey on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:22 pm:

#166 Rolf: Yes, I get the point. It is that you do not understand the difference between nations and housemates–and that you are consumed with hatred/self-hatred for the “housemate” you believe represents you.

Hot tip, Rolfie: the US is rich and powerful. It is also, however, the most modest and self-effacing rich and powerful nation in the history of the world.

The US “hogs” nothing. It buys things–and sells things. We pay for the oil we use; for the plastic junk we buy from China; for the grapes we buy from Chile and the tomatoes we import from Mexico. People want to sell these things to us, because that way they make money, under the terms of their own economies.

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169KingMob on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:54 pm:

Big whoop. Maybe Ayers’ book was GOOD. Maybe the guy has good ideas about education reform. Ever think of that, wingnut geniuses?

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170Rolf on Oct 19, 2008 at 9:56 pm:

buzzsawmonkey:

It is evidence of your lack of vision (and that of many American’s) that there seems to be little understanding that US Foreign Policy has long been dominant and isolationist. Most are geographically illiterate. Thinks the world stops at their small and frightened borders.

The world’s current problems - economic, environmental, and social - cannot be solved by isolationists - but by those that understand we are a community of nations inhabiting a world where nations - if they are to survive - cannot act only in their narrow interests but in the interests of the wider community as well

If you believe the USA shouldn’t give a ‘rats ass’ about their global reputation (which is documented to be at an all time low thanks to big W) then you are truly shortsighted.

If you think a nation with only a fraction of the world’s population consuming 25% of the world’s petroleum isnt self obeseesed - you really need to wake up - and smell the decay.

Think bigger man!

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171Dave Surls on Oct 19, 2008 at 10:41 pm:

“It is evidence of your lack of vision (and that of many American’s) that there seems to be little understanding that US Foreign Policy has long been dominant and isolationist…”

When I got to “isolationist” I started laughing so hard I couldn’t read any more.

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172sf on Oct 19, 2008 at 10:41 pm:

I’m amused by several apparent oddities in Obama’s narrative, in which he has said (on videotape) that Ayers was “just a guy in his neighborhood.” First, it does seem that Obama’s books have said very little about his five-year stint as the recruited head of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), which by all accounts blew through an amazing $150 *million* bucks. The alleged recipients seem to have been some radical schools, which by all available accounts taught some extremely radical things to defenseless kids.

Don’t know about you, but if someone recruited *me* to be in charge of disbursing $150,000,000 in a city–especially when I’d had zero prior experience with big money–I’d consider it a pretty damn important job, and one I’d be inclined to mention in any autobiography. Yet Obama says damn near nothing.

Then there’s Obama’s absurd implication that he had not the *faintest idea* about Ayers’s past as a domestic bomber. This is particularly absurd given that a major newspaper–the New York T***–ran a story about Ayers’s terrorist past back in 2001.

Now, I don’t doubt that *now* a lot of Obama’s friends have long articles written about them in the Times every week. But back in 2001 he wasn’t a U.S. senator and in fact had very few accomplishments. In those circumstances, I don’t know about you but if I served on a panel with a guy who didn’t just have a short *quote* published in the Times, but was actually the subject of a long NYT article, I’d consider it a big deal and find a way to congratulate the guy. Hell, *everyone who knew the guy* would be buzzing about him bing in the Times, dontcha think? Yet Obie pretends he knew nothing.

Somebody ought to ask Obie if anyone told him about the Times article on Ayers’s explosive past.

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173Bob G on Oct 19, 2008 at 11:17 pm:

Obama says he didn’t know about Ayers; He was only a kid at the time. This is true. But what is also true is that Obama is surrounded by hundreds of advisors including Mayor Daley of Chicago who was born in 1942 and was 27 years old when the Ayers bombings started in 1969 and 33 years old when the bombings stopped in 1975. In fact Mayor Daley states that he knew about Ayers.

Obama’s official web site has a 41 page article on it rebutting the Ayers connection. In that rebuttal Mayor Daily says “I also know Bill Ayers. He worked with me in shaping our now nationally renowned school reform program. He is a nationally-recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois/Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community. I don’t condone what he did 40 years ago but I remember that period well”. Why didn’t Mayor Daley tell Obama about Ayers. Why didn’t any of the other hundreds of advisors on the Obama staff tell him?

Read my Blog article Obama, Didn’t Your Mother tell you Two Wrongs Don’t Make a Right which you can see on my Blog.

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174Sefertzi Junior on Oct 20, 2008 at 4:33 am:

I have been interested in the zombie’s cucumber for years but it looks like I am too late. You guys have eaten them all.

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175Don L on Oct 20, 2008 at 4:36 am:

Charges against Ayers were dropped. You might argue that Adolph Hitler never was found guilty by trial of anything. I still wretch violently when evil is confronted directly and the defenders and creators of the evil (young male fatherless blacks) ask where did he get the gun. That’s like asking where did Adolph get those ovens from?

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176forest on Oct 20, 2008 at 4:53 am:

“128Marvin Sussman on Oct 19, 2008 at 4:31 pm:

forest #117: You did read all the “garbage” in #107. Was that so difficult? Thanks for the credit, but no, thanks anyway.

You are a coward.

I presented you with an argument against all your beliefs in the form of a credible statement by a credible authority, Robert MacNamara. You deliberately ignored the argument as though it did not exist. You are incapable of serious, intelligent argument.”

What does Robert McNamara have to do with Ayers’ bombings of government buildings or Obama’s decision to befriend him? I’m not going to get dragged off-topic to discuss whether our involvement in Vietnam was right or wrong because it doesn’t justify Ayers actions even it it was dead wrong. Heck, I didn’t even say whether I thought Vietnam was right or wrong, so I don’t know where you get the idea you made an “argument against all my beliefs”. You are attempting a “red herring” argument to drag the discussion off-topic, which is, well, a cowardly tactic.

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177forest on Oct 20, 2008 at 5:00 am:

“167Craig on Oct 19, 2008 at 8:11 pm:

You fail to mention that he did not actually “write a review” this is a quote. A reporter asked him, “hey what do you think about this about this book?” and he said what he said. It’s not like he’s siskel & ebert here. He did not “write” anything. And so what if he likes the guy’s book anyway. Gratz to the winner of the Grasping at Straws Award!”

Craig, So he read his friend’s book and praised it verbally to a reporter for publication instead of doing it in writing? How does this make a difference? I think you just won the “Hair Splitting Award”.

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178Kris on Oct 20, 2008 at 5:16 am:

What this means is that Barack Obama aligns himself with Ayers philosophically. Ayers is a radical in education and Obama has some radical ideas as well and has praised Ayers for his. Obama is a socialist in his philosophy. The problem is that what we’re dealing with in this economy calls for economic realism, not class warfare. The idea that taking more in taxes from the wealthier in our society and giving it to the government somehow makes things more “fair” is ludicrous. I wish that those that want a socialist government would just leave America and go live under it somewhere else.

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179maybeyes on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:22 am:

Why are there no questions as to how an average student, which is what Obama was, got into Columbia and then, with only average performance at Columbia, got into Harvard Law School? Who were the powerful ones who made this possible? Who are the ones Obama is now indebted to?

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180Betty on Oct 20, 2008 at 7:04 am:

My hope and faith in this country is put there by the bright and knowledgeable people who take the time to comment on sites like this. Just when I get in a down feeling ..I come across a site like RealClearPolitics and read the comments of lots of fine Americans. Thank you for taking the time to educate yourselves about the democratic candidate. I have been a democrat all of my 73 years and stepping out of step with this election. Country Before Party.

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181buzzsawmonkey on Oct 20, 2008 at 7:11 am:

#170 Rolf: Oh, where to start with your delusions?

Maybe with the point that if we do, indeed, “consume 25% of the world’s petroleum,” that is because the world’s petroleum production is currently held at artificially low levels by both OPEC, which wants to preserve its profit margins, and by “green-thinking” fools like yourself, who refuse to let us drill domestically or develop our shale oil and tar sand resources.

In the meantime, we pay for what we consume, which is how commodities markets work. If we didn’t buy the stuff, somebody else would–India, say, or China. Saying “we consume 25% of the world’s petroleum” is like saying “vegetarians consume 25% of the noxious fronds nobody else wants to eat.” In both cases, the stuff is bought by the people who want it.

Our survival is neither threatened nor enhanced by how much other countries “love” us. Our survival, and its quality, are safeguarded and ensured by our market and military strength, as is true for every other country in the world. It is the people who think that the evanescent “good opinion”–or even (haw!) “love”–of other countries is important, and go chasing after that rainbow unicorn, that place this nation in jeopardy.

As to the “geographical illiteracy of Americans,” well yes–the leftist-dominated school system has indeed produced (and continues to produce) a population armored in near-invincible ignorance. In fact, the candidate who is the darling of the American left, one Barack Obama by name, has been quoted as referring to the “57 states” of the USA–and he has a nice flossy double-Ivy-League education. It is possible to look up geographical locations (and even count the actual number of states) by making reference to a map; in the meantime, it is important for any President that does so to be aware that he was not elected to be a “citizen of the world,” but to be the President of the United States and to protect and further its interests over and above that of other countries.

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182Jon Brooks on Oct 20, 2008 at 8:47 am:

LEAVE AYERS ALONE!!! Let he who is without bombs..cast the first grenade! I mean don’t you think he has suffered enough? Sitting alone at night thinking of his bomb design prematurely exploding in the faces of his loving friends and Komrades? Wouldn’t the thought of being stunned momentarily by the concussion then regaining conciousness to the pain of the nails intended for the soldiers and girlfriends at their dance, imbedded in your bones be enough of a memory for him? Those same nails would have shredded their faces into unrecognizable pulps at that range, they would have spun and careened thru vital organs causing unimaginable pain while as they lay there slowly expiring looking at their flesh splattered on the wall (if they had any eyes that is). I mean the man was fighting for what he believed..the death of Americans!! Can’t you leave him alone to be proud of that!!?? If you bring attention to him and his minions now..after all these years..why he may actually even feel remorse!!! You know that terrorists should never feel remorse. It is bad for them and their complexion..how cruel are you!?

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183pre-Boomer Marine brat on Oct 20, 2008 at 9:09 am:

In his #134, Marvin Sussman all but equated William Ayers with Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

After reading that, I had to smack myself on the side of the head to get my eyes uncrossed.

THEN … I discovered his “blog” on barackobama.com … his pie-in-the-sky regurgitating of the tunnel-vision “partition Iraq and peace and joy will reign supreme” meme. Whoever M.S. is (in fact), he certainly lives in his own little alternative reality.

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184buzzsawmonkey on Oct 20, 2008 at 10:31 am:

Just by the way, I have never known anyone who was actually a Jew to post under an overtly Jewish-sounding name like “Marvin Sussman.”

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185Ed on Oct 20, 2008 at 11:31 am:

Wasn’t 1997 the year this Ayers guy was named citizen of the year by the City of Chigo?

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186Victoria on Oct 20, 2008 at 2:19 pm:

My profound respect for Betty and other Democrats who, seeing the truth about Obama, put Country before party. Thank you, Betty and company for standing up as proud Americans to fight for our homeland.

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187SH on Oct 20, 2008 at 2:43 pm:

Hey Zombie, FOX has picked up your story! WooHoo

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/

Barack Obama, who has consistently downplayed his relationship with William Ayers during his presidential campaign, once gave a glowing endorsement of a book by the former domestic terrorist and was mentioned by name in the book itself.

A blogger unearthed the Dec. 21, 1997, endorsement in the Chicago Tribune and posted photographs of the praise for Ayers’ book on Zombietime.com Saturday

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188jstacey on Oct 20, 2008 at 2:45 pm:

I think there is a missing story here.

Barack, the messiah, has tried to downplay his connection to Ayers by pointing out that this short comment is not a full book review. But, in fact it is much more significant than a book review.

Isn’t the messiah selecting Ayers book as his favorite? He’s been asked to comment on HIS PERSONAL favorite. Of all the books in the world, he chose an Ayer’s book?

It sounds like he’s returning a favor. Ayer’s supports Obama’s political campaign; Obama plugs Ayers book. It sounds like thery were pretty close.

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189jviper5 on Oct 20, 2008 at 3:04 pm:

Way to go Zombie!! Front page splash at Fox.com.

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190jviper5 on Oct 20, 2008 at 3:04 pm:

Pardon me, foxnews.com.

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191Linda on Oct 20, 2008 at 3:11 pm:

Bottom line, Obama is a liar that couldn’t pass a security clearance for the FBI or CIA…why would we elect him president?

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192SickandTiredofBeingFedUp on Oct 20, 2008 at 3:43 pm:

Zombie-

..don’t ever do a TV interview. You are SO valuable to the pursuit of truth. Someone would out you, jeopardizing both your identity (preventing infiltration into the bell of the beast) and probably your life, from the advocates from the advocates of peace tolerance.

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193pre-Boomer Marine brat on Oct 20, 2008 at 3:50 pm:

buzzsaw (#184) … also, go back and look at the last para of Marvin Sussman’s #107, and follow the link to the history of his unit. It would be totally out-of-character for someone who’d actually been there (”been through it”) to brag about it like that. My hunch is, “Marvin Sussman” was either a headquarters clerk in the 4th Cav, or he’s an out-and-out a fraud.

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194georgewashingtonlincoln on Oct 20, 2008 at 4:30 pm:

OMG!!! Will you ever bury this dead horse and pay attention to what’s happening TODAY???

Ken Adelman is a lifelong conservative Republican. Campaigned for Goldwater, was hired by Rumsfeld at the Office of Economic Opportunity under Nixon, was assistant to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld under Ford, served as Reagan’s director of arms control, and joined the Defense Policy Board for Rumsfeld’s second go-round at the Pentagon, in 2001. Adelman’s friendship with Rumsfeld, Cheney, and their wives goes back to the sixties, and he introduced Cheney to Paul Wolfowitz at a Washington brunch the day Reagan was sworn in.

In recent years, Adelman and his friends Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz fell out over his criticisms of the botching of the Iraq War. Still, he remains a bona-fide hawk (“not really a neo-con but a con-con”) who has never supported a Democrat for President in his life. Two weeks from now that’s going to change: Ken Adelman intends to vote for Barack Obama.

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195Notazombie on Oct 20, 2008 at 4:37 pm:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/20/19915/896/859/636810

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196paul on Oct 20, 2008 at 4:38 pm:

Why did the Chicago Tribune know to ask Barack Obama his opinion of the book?

Surely, they did not just knock on doors in Hyde Park until they found someone who read the book.

Someone at the Tribune knew that Obama knew Ayers and that Obama read Ayers book.

The next piece of this puzzle should be easy to find.

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197pre-Boomer Marine brat on Oct 20, 2008 at 4:59 pm:

georgewashingtonlincoln #194 — that’s cute little diversionary tactic trying to use, tells everyone a helluva lot about you — BTW, so does your nic.

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198ed barnays on Oct 20, 2008 at 4:59 pm:

Just “some guy in the neighborhood.”

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199JoeInMi on Oct 20, 2008 at 5:12 pm:

How many of you geniuses here excusing Ayers’ weather underground bombings on the mistaken assumption they were merely acts protesting an “unjust” war, were even sentient beings at that time?
Because, you morons, Ayers and the weather underground committed many violent acts not even related to the war. Furthermore, as an offshoot of the SDS, the W.U. was (and Ayers remains) firmly committed to establishing, by violent means if necessary, Communist rule in the U.S.
And you really show your ass with your imbecilic parroting of claims the weathermen never tried to kill anyone. When three of their members were killed while trying to build an anti-personnel bomb at a Greenwich Village safehouse, what the hell do you think the nails that tore through THEIR bodies were meant to do?
Anti-violent my ass. During Days of Rage, Ayers and his thugs went around MUGGING innocent pedestrians, stealing their money and IDs to further their sick cause. He ADMITS this.
Read his Fugitive Days for a very illuminating look into the mind of the truly sick, unrepentent terrorist who helped to shape the mind of Obama.

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200Chicagoan on Oct 20, 2008 at 5:26 pm:

So Sussman…when Osama Bin Laden gets off on a technicality, he’ll be fine to hang out with, review and recommend his books, share an office with, begin your campaigns from his living room, sit on boards to hand out 140 million to train youth to think and hold his terrorist anarchist views…get a brain Sussman.

Obama elected=Israel destroyed. Russia went into Georgia to take out the drones and the airfield that Israel used to keep track of Iran….and they did take it out

Daley and Ayers, the juniors, were also close friends as children. Both sets of parents were disgusted by their sons

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201JoeInMi on Oct 20, 2008 at 5:26 pm:

Why are Obama’s minions going around denying he ever wrote the blurb, the evidence of which is now incontrovertible, if his relationship with Ayers is such a “non-issue”?
Think about that.
Let it marinate a while in your gray matter.

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202Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 5:53 pm:

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Who cares? wow you found the holy grail there!!
THE SMOKING GUN!! - NOT
Obama wrote 20 words which were praising A BOOK, not the author and NOT WHAT HE DID IN THE PAST.
IF ONLY YOU COULD SEE HOW DESPERATE YOU ALL LOOK RIGHT NOW, LOL
how pathetically scared of losing, how incapable of winning on the issues you are that you must dig through journals looking for 20 word snippets about a book on criminal justice.
instead of admitting your candidate gambled by selecting a VP who is the target of lawsuits and legal investigations in her own state, you look for this. He gambled and picked a moron and now you are going to lose.
GET OVER It and enjoy reading this insane 20 words and trying to make something of it. The American people see how empty the McCain campaign has become, why can’t you Palin Fan Boys?

like the song goes…
“Running on - running on empty
Running on - running blind
Running on - running into the sun
But I’m running behind?

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203JoeInMi on Oct 20, 2008 at 5:57 pm:

Well, that nails it.
How can one possibly argue against Eagles lyrics?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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204JoeInMi on Oct 20, 2008 at 5:59 pm:

Hey - here’s some more Eagles:

“I’d like to find my inner-child
And kick its little ass…”

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205JoeInMi on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:00 pm:

…excuse me - Jackson Brown.

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206JoeInMi on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:03 pm:

I’m watching The One on FoxNews right now, talking about Joe the Plumber.
Is that a Mao jacket he’s wearing?

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207Chicagoan on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:05 pm:

Unfortunately, 50% of the Obama followers that need to read all of this information about Obama’s past cannot read beyond the third-grade level. Furthermore, the other 50% are too busy playing computer games or watching American Idol. All of this indoctrination was by design, from 30 years ago, and the product is a crop of Obamatons, marching to the beat of Socialism. I hope that all who read this article will advice others that there’s no other choice but to defeat the Democrats in November. If the thought of a Democrat House, Senate, White House, that they can rework our Constitution and restructure the Supreme Court at their will to make the USA a Socialist country like those in Europe, doesn’t make you shake like a leaf or feel like wetting your pants, then you better get ready for the worst years of your life.

Remember these words:
The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.
-Norman Mailer

“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need.”
-Karl Marx

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent”.
- Thomas Jefferson
had to share this post from Lanyon at lucianne

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208Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:16 pm:

yeah - like I thought - a bunch of ignorant turd-shiners.
1. jackson browne wrote/performed not eagles - good google but
2. the next one isn’t the eagles either - keep googling moron..
it was Don Henley solo so close.
3. If any of you idiots had an idea what socialism was you ‘d know that your current REPUBLICAN Admin is the one that is turning the country into socialized mess: nationalizing banks, protecting failing institutions with taxpayer funds, propping up uncompetitive car makers beacuse they kept building shyte cars and inefficient SUVs that are cheap shit…
AND THE KARL MARX AWARD GOES TO — John McCain!!! Who calls Obama a Socialist yet wants the gov’t to buy people’s homes at prior market values just because they were caught overextending themselves???
REMIND WHO’S THE SOCIALIST AGAIN??
4. Who sang this one?
Who can take a surplus
turn it into debt.
who can take 22 millions jobs
and ship them overseas?
The Bush Man can
The Bush Man can!!!

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209JoeInMi on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:26 pm:

No googling here, moron - check the time stamps.
And, no - that’s not Henley solo - it’s from Hell Freezes Over, and is widely acknowledged to be the first song Henley and Frey wrote together after they reunited.

Getting a little testy there, are we?

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210Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:26 pm:

Who else could hold “Samuel the almost-a-Plumber” up as a role model but desparate and easily deluded Republicans?

- SCOFFLAW who left Arizona with a suspended license for non-payment of tickets
- LAIR who is not a legal plumber in his region because he has no plumbers license
- POOR CREDIT RECORD who had a tax lien for non-payment of hospital bills
(BTW not a problem for French people with their market-driven 100% insurance coverage and 100% choice of doctors and hospitals plus Nr 1 ranked health care system in the world, http://www.civitas.org.uk/pubs/bb2France.php)
- TAX EVADER who has a tax lien on his house for NON-PAYMENT of taxes
- TOO STUPID to realize that for now and the foreseeable future he will SAVE MONEY from an Obama Presidency because the average UNION plumber makes 47K a year in Ohio so he would get a tax cut, a health care discount etc.

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211Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:29 pm:

joeinMi - i stand corrected - it is an Eagles song but don’t you think it a little absurd to be talking about that when the topic is how desparate the MCCAIN CAMP is now?

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212JoeInMi on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:33 pm:

But….but….but….wait!

…I thought none of this mattered?

Why would an intelligent person like yourself waste time on such a non-issue?

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213gymnast on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:35 pm:

Ahem, your analcephalo-pathology is showing, and man you not only read funny, you look like you are having anal sex with yourself using your head as an instrument of penetration

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214Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:36 pm:

Just because i am an intelligent person, doesn’t mean I can’t take a break from calling undecided voters in florida and have a little fun now does it?

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215Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:41 pm:

Like I said gymnast - you have bigger problems than me and my — wow what a big word for a ten year old…
your team just pulled out of MI, WI and is now conceding CO.
Your unvetted VP pick is getting hammered in her own state and may face a recall vote by November.
Her favorable ratings are tanking due to her fascist tendencies in public.
and your Fearless Leader is pissing off the public by using the same smear tactics and tacticians that were used against his own family in 2000.

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216Online Reviewer on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:43 pm:

Online Reviewer
Ordinary Citizen
zombietime.com
By: Some Wingnut
“A gloriously pointless romp through Neocon desperation”

Does that mean we’re buddies now that I’ve written a quick review of your site?

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217Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:49 pm:

NOW… watch what happens as this news starts making it into the public eye. Wanna talk about REAL past relationships?
How about some that aren’t so PAST?
McCain swore under oath in Congressional testimony that his associations with his “close friend” (his words not mine) were cut in 1987… so WTF was his family doing making profits for 11 YEARS while Keating was a convicted felon and sitting in prison?
Know where those profits came from “my friends”???
from the pension funds of old ladies who were ripped off in the American Continental scam run by Keating and protected by the KEATING 5

WASHINGTON INDEPENDENT
PHOENIX—Sen. John McCain’s wife and father-in-law continued a lucrative business partnership with disgraced financier Charles H. Keating Jr. for 11 years after the GOP presidential nominee said he ended his close friendship with Keating in March 1987.

Cindy McCain’s business partnership with Keating in a real-estate development between 1986 and 1998 netted her a tidy profit, in addition to years of significant tax benefits.
http://washingtonindependent.com/11806/cindy

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218Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:52 pm:

very funny Online Reviewer - but i don’t hear any laughing…
maybe its the sound of one hand clapping??

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219Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:57 pm:

Well back to our little review for these good folks of exactly how PRESENT the McCain family profits from Charles keating really are…

CORRUPTION - THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING!!!

FROM THE CENTER FOR RESPONSIVE POLITICS: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/the-keating-50000.html
The Keating $50,000
Individuals at a law firm founded by Charles H. Keating, Jr., who symbolized how political influence contributed to the collapse of savings and loans in the 1980s, have bundled at least $50,000 to John McCain’s presidential campaign since June, the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics has calculated, making the Cincinnati-based law firm McCain’s sixth-largest contributor during that period. McCain was among “The Keating Five,” a group of senators who benefited from more than $1 million in campaign contributions connected to Keating and personally intervened with government regulators to allow his S&L to make risky investments that ultimately defrauded thousands of investors and cost taxpayers $3.4 billion.

In amounts ranging from $200 to $2,300, about 30 partners and employees of the legal firm Keating, Muething and Klekamp, as well as their family members, have contributed $50,200 to McCain’s 2008 campaign. All but two of the contributions came in July, and all but three of those July donations were logged on July 31, suggesting they were delivered at the same time. As with any bundle of campaign contributions, it’s difficult to determine which donor was the “bundler,” the person who solicited the contributions on the campaign’s behalf. McCain’s online roster of bundlers, which purports to name any individual bundling $50,000 or more for the campaign, does not associate any of McCain’s major fund-raisers with the Keating firm.

gee I wonder why McCain’s campaign hasn’t listed THIS donation bundler??

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220Ahem Your Losing on Oct 20, 2008 at 7:12 pm:

Geez you could hear a cricket fart in here..

Now THAT’s some funny reading isn’t it???
Wait, I’m just gettin revved up cuz, i just got off the phone with a lovely little old lady, a Registered Rep, from Palm Harbor, FL who went to hear Obama speak in legends field today with her son.
GUESS WHO SHE’S VOTING FOR?
one hint? He didn’t pick an idiot who lies about her seeing Russia from her state!

OK enuff fun for me - back to work - gotta man the phones because we’d like to see McCain keep havin to spend his dwindling funds defending states that even Bush the Economic Disaster won in 2004.

Have a good night all!

p.s. while I’m gone, if you wanna few more giggles, go look at the lovely color state by state Electoral College charts here:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
they are a laugh riot!

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221C Nelson on Oct 20, 2008 at 7:28 pm:

Good work, although those of us not already caught up in the Obama hysteria did not need convincing. Still, fat chance of getting any attention to this from the mainstream media.

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222Chicagoan on Oct 20, 2008 at 7:36 pm:

Ahem hocker…those who turned this economy upside down…the Dems who have been in power for two years.

Fannie Freddie affirmative action housing given to us by the Dems and only the Dems. Barney frankly disgusting Frank, Johnson, Obama, Dodd, Pelosi, Reid, Raines

Highest gas prices…since the Dems took over both houses,,, and Obama said the oil prices were right just a bit too fast…guess that works into Obama’s plan for redistribution of wealth

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223Cecil on Oct 20, 2008 at 7:44 pm:

The FBI must have a thick file on Ayers since they have surely been monitoring him for 30 years. When they monitor him, they monitor his acquaintances. I’d sure like to see the FBI file on his most famous acquaintance, Hussein Obama.

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224yadda, yadda, yadda on Oct 20, 2008 at 7:59 pm:

1Just me on Oct 18, 2008 at 7:44 pm:
Another unhinged racist attack
*********************************************************************
Specifically, where do you see racism? can you please cut and paste and put quotation marks around it?

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225Easter Bunny on Oct 20, 2008 at 8:03 pm:

This is blown out of proportion.

It is akin to saying anyone who liked the Saw films is a serial killer with strange motives.

Appreciation is best given by an open mind

-Happy Easter

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226Jon Brooks on Oct 20, 2008 at 8:08 pm:

Cool. Even keating knows a socialist when he sees one. Hope hes got a few more bucks for John. Also regarding the map…remember Kerry was a whooping Bush in 2004 in the polls and map about this time too. And..geeee. you lost then too didnt ya!! LOLOL
Just let the people vote..then gloat!

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227Kato Kaelin on Oct 20, 2008 at 8:34 pm:

Ooooohh…. creepy! Is it just me or does that BO photo strongly resemble OJ? America, get ready to have your throats slashed!

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228cc on Oct 20, 2008 at 8:35 pm:

This is just a thought I have been having? Did Obama have a “nose job?” He is sure a lot better looking these days than in old photos……………..

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229frustrated on Oct 20, 2008 at 9:13 pm:

I am getting sick and tired of ANY criticism of BHO as being “racist”. That song is getting old. The man, who is half white, is a socialist plain and simple and wants to take Americans down that path. Socialism has never worked in ANY country it has been tried. And for those who would prefer socialism there are still some countries they could move to rather than changing this one! Remember… I am just commenting on his “white” half.

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230dennis on Oct 20, 2008 at 10:17 pm:

@ frustrated
you wrote “is a socialist plain and simple and wants to take Americans down that path. Socialism”

let me get this straight…you exempt the rich from taxes and cause the middle and working class to increase their tax burden, and this is ‘the Red Blooded American way”. And when a group wants to change this, it all of a sudden is socialism?

this Ayers stuff is a smokescreen. I hope the McCain-’Pale’ ticket keeps talking about it. 60% of Americans think it is a non-issue. #1- its the economy, #2- McCain voted for Bush 90% of the time, #3- $3Billion a week going to that money pit called Iraq- a war we had no business getting into.

Hey, in case you missed it, it has been 2,000 days since Bush declared Mission Accomplished. Sad.

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231NORCALBILL on Oct 21, 2008 at 12:02 am:

William Ayers & Barack Obama Time LINE

The Facts

Obama is not a dummy, He may think that you are, but I assure you he is not.
With that in mind lets go back a few years, We live in Chicago, we have Degrees from some of the best Ive League Universities, and we aspire to be in local politics, with an end coal of National Politics.

At present, we are involved in community organizations, that put forward both political and educational opportunities for Mid Low to Low Income Families.

Several of our co-workers have been talking about how good we are as organizers and that we should run for State Office.
Over a period of time, we research possibilities and decide to run for office.

We speak with associates and form a committee to introduce us to the public and start our campaign.

The kick-off will be at the home of William Ayers. Mr. Ayers has worked with us on various committees and is well know by our friends.

Now - What I want all of America to believe is that I am to dumb to check out and know what everyone in Chicago Politics knows about William Ayers.!! You do believe me - Don’t you????
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Obama, Ayers, Black Panthers, Weathermen, ACORN, Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, Annenburg Challenge, Khalid al-Mansour, Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky … the pieces all fit together quite nicely as more and more information comes out.
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1987 William Ayers meets Barack Obama 1988 Ayers solicits Khalid Al-Mansour to raise money for Obama’s Harvard law School education 1988 Michelle Obama works at Sidley & Austin lawfirm with Bernadine Dohrn 1989 Tom Ayers and William Ayers get Obama a summer job at Sidley & Austin (where he meets Michelle Obama); Ayers’ wife Bernadine Dohrn also worked at Sidley at about the same time as Barack and Michelle. 1993 Ayers places Obama on Woods Foundation 1995 Ayers makes Obama Chairman of Annenberg Challenge 1995 Ayers hosts a coffee klatch for Obama’s political debut (Obama falsely claims this is when he met Ayers) 2007-2008 The structure of Obama’s presidential campaign increasingly comes to resemble an Ayers-designed national “community organizer matrix” straight out of Maoist theory. This is not merely a presidential “campaign.” Obama’s organization is the first installment of an ongoing movement being paid for with tax-exempt contributions to his campaign, approaching half a billion dollars. 2008 Obama In response to ABC News, Obama tells a national TV audience he was “eight years old” when Ayers bombed federal buildings, and they are only casual neighborhood acquaintances. A lie.
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Ayres and Obama where both members of the Democratic Socialist/New Party in the same time frame when Ayers hosted the political event for him is troubling as well.
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William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn are the adoptive parents of Mr. Chesa Boudin (who was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship. Go figure.) His mother is erstwhile Weather Underground leader Kathy Boudin, a close associate of Ayers-Dohrn. Ms. Boudin was one of the 1981 Nanuet NY Brink’s truck murders (two guards, one cop) and robbers. She was caught at a roadblock trying to escape and is doing concurrent, long prison bits. So Ayers-Dohrn adopted Chesa, whose given name is presumed to be in honor of fugitive Black Liberation Army murderer Joanne Chesamard , Chesamard has asylum in Cuba courtesy of the Castros.
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With those facts, Senator Barack Obama is disturbingly close to horrible, subhuman people involved in heinous crimes, yet this guy seems unconcerned and unrepentant.
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“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” - Winston Churchill

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232John on Oct 21, 2008 at 12:27 am:

KEN WROTE: “Writing a tiny blurb of a review does not, in any way, mean that you support the actions of the author. If it does then I feel sorry for the guys who write the forewards of the English editions of “Mein Kampf.” Are they going to be implicated in a similar “guilty-by-association” fashion, as well?

Ayers was active when Obama was 8 years old.
Charges against Ayers were dropped 20 years ago.
This is a non-issue, distracting us from the real issues. It certainly isn’t any kind of “deep” relationship.”

I love this argument. Can you NOT see the entire picture Ken? Ayers, Acorn, Resco,
Wright, etc. If Obama had ONE friend of questionable nature, you could possibly write him a pass. But, when he has these and growing evidence of his connections to Ayers, it no longer becomes something you can overlook.

People are BEACONS Ken and these are the kind of people that are attracted to Obama. Have you ever wondered why? Obviously there’s something about him which they like and he’s drawn to THEM as well.

Wake up.

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233John on Oct 21, 2008 at 12:31 am:

I just want to say to all of you far left people out there….

“As Obama lies! Freedom dies!”

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234Ahem Your Losing on Oct 21, 2008 at 2:47 am:

Who cares? wow you found the holy grail there!! THE SMOKING GUN!! - NOT

Obama wrote 20 words which were praising A BOOK, not the author and NOT WHAT HE DID IN THE PAST.
IF ONLY YOU COULD SEE HOW DESPERATE YOU REPOS LOOK RIGHT NOW,
grasping at guilt-by-association straws while the rest of the country shows in record-setting rallies and historic donations,
that they don’t want McCain’s 90% of the last eight years and vote with their feet and their wallets for Obama.
how pathetically scared of losing - how incapable of winning on the issues your party has become - that you must dig through journals looking for 20 word snippets about a 10 yr old book with no relation to what is happening today.

instead of admitting your candidate gambled & lost by selecting a VP who is the target of lawsuits and legal investigations in her own state, you dig around in the mud, just like Bush did to McCain in 2000. I guess it should be no surprise since they’ll do it to their own party members.

Picking Palin was the poor judgment you should be angry about because she is dragging down the ticket - you know and so does everyone else. and now Repos are going to lose. I hope that repeating these absurd GBA charges from 20 words and inanely trying to make something of it makes the hurt go away but…

The American people see how empty the McCain campaign has become, throwing mud trying to make the election about ANYTHING but the last 8 yrs of a Repo WH and 12 of 14 last yrs of a Repo Congress.
why can’t you Ayers Fan Boys?

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235Dave Surls on Oct 21, 2008 at 2:55 am:

“OMG!!! Will you ever bury this dead horse”

I will.

Once Ayers and Dohrn and other members of the Weathermen are brought to trial for treason, convicted and executed.

Once the careers of Barack Obama and other supporters and partners of the Weathermen traitors are utterly destroyed, and Barack Obama has as much credibility and political viability as David Duke…

…then I’ll get out my shovel.

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236Ahem Your Losing on Oct 21, 2008 at 2:58 am:

here’s Repo game.
Follow the numbers - see if you can connect the dots!!
3 - day of September Palin accepts nomination
2 - number of press interviews Palin does outside the Faux News network (run by a Repo political consultant Roger Ailes)
632,000 - new Obama supporters who make a donation to campaign in September
150,000,000 - dollars donated to Obama campaign at an avg $86/donation in September
1,744,000 - number of donations made in September at avg level of giving

Get the picture yet?

[Don't worry, be happy in the fact that if McCain had picked a decent VP, he might have been Pres.]

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237Ahem Your Losing on Oct 21, 2008 at 3:05 am:

looks like Dave Surls already has his shovel out and, like the rest of the Repos, has been using it to spread BS as fast as possible to cover the trail of the last eight years.

hmmm let’s talk about McCain’s judgment for a second… Pallin’ around with Palin???

“If BS was money, Sarah Palin could bail out Wall Street herself”
– Kathleen Parker - famous Conservative commentator/author

Selecting Sarah Palin was “political bullshit”
– Peggy Noonan, speechwriter for Reagan, WSJ Conservative author

I could go on but why BEAT A DEAD MOOSE?

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238Ahem Your Losing on Oct 21, 2008 at 3:22 am:

GOOD MORNING REPO CENTRAL!!!!

Geez, we had some fun the last 48 hours didn’t we?
- 50,000 Obama supporters in Orlando last night (former red state)
- 75,000 Obama supporters in Kansas City on Sunday night (former red state)
- 100,000+ OBAMA SUPPORTERS IN ST LOUIS ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON (former red state)
- 150 MILLION dollars in support from
- 632,000 new Obama voters
- who are doing some record-setting early voting in several states

I guess these people don’t care about a washed-up VietNam war protester who did some bad things FORTY YEARS AGO and the fact that, in reforming his life doing good things for the last 40 years, he sat in the same room doing good things with Barack Obama under the watchful eye of dear Reagan friend and Republican Walter Annenberg.

Did you know the Annenberg family has endorsed McCain and has donated 10s of $1000s to his campaign??
Do you see McCain saying how bad their judgment is??
giving them their money back because they HIRED and PAID William Ayers for years???

ummmm… that would be a No.

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239Ahem Your Losing on Oct 21, 2008 at 3:31 am:

in today’s news:

Barack Obama’s favorability “is the highest for a presidential candidate running for a first term in the last 28 years” of New York Times/CBS polls.

Meanwhile, the Times reports, ,i>Sarah Palin’s “negative rating is the highest for a vice-presidential candidate ever measured by The Times and CBS News. Even Dan Quayle, with whom Mrs. Palin is often compared because of her age and inexperience on the national scene, was not viewed as negatively in the 1988 campaign.”

OUCH… thats gotta hurt.

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240Dave Surls on Oct 21, 2008 at 4:26 am:

“Ahem Your Losing”

Post after post, virtually none of which are on topic.

An ideal subject for banning, IMO.

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241SH on Oct 21, 2008 at 4:32 am:

221C Nelson on Oct 20, 2008 at 7:28 pm:

Good work, although those of us not already caught up in the Obama hysteria did not need convincing. Still, fat chance of getting any attention to this from the mainstream media.

Nelson:

FNC has it on the rolling screen this a.m., also here:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
“A blogger unearthed the Dec. 21, 1997, endorsement in the Chicago Tribune and posted photographs of the praise for Ayers’ book on Zombietime.com”

Will the MSM pick up? Probably enough to try and bury it.

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242whitelegs on Oct 21, 2008 at 5:05 am:

How can you say in one breath, “this happened when Barack was only 8 years old”, but then continue to pull out the “slavery card” 150 years later? Doesn’t work that way. This isn’t Burger King. You can’t have it YOUR WAY!

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243Ahem Your Losing on Oct 21, 2008 at 5:06 am:

dave surls: worried much?
what a telling reply - been to Alaska lately - maybe you’re a friend of Meg Stapleton’s “if you can’t say anything nice about Palin, shut up” crowd?

oops, I digress. the topic is…
Former (and in McCain’s case more current) associations and their impact on a candidate’s fitness for office correct?
or are you only interested in examining Obama’s?

so how are posts about McCain accepting millions in profits for years after he “broke all ties” with CONVICTED FELON AND SWINDLER KEATING and then quietly accepting $50,000 in current donations from his law firm not topical?

maybe, you mean my posts showing the negative effect these absurd and inconsequential ad hominem attacks on Obama are having on the McCain campaign and American voters?,

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244Ahem Your Losing on Oct 21, 2008 at 5:15 am:

A topical post just for dave surly or sulky or whatever his name is:

I know lots here don’t like it but let’s just think about this for second. First, instead of playing into this Rove-inspired trip to the Twilight Zone, lets ask a question of logic:

IF, the McCain camp truly feels that Bill Ayers is a “terrorist” and that any association, no matter how innocuous, is toxic.

AND, former Ambassador Walter Annenberg, famous friend to Nixon & Reagan, long-time benefactor to the Repo Party - whose wife is a touted endorser of John McCain - actually hired and paid William Ayers for several years.

THEN, shouldn’t the McCain campaign forcefully renounce the Annenberg endorsement instead of celebrating it on their website?,

Gee, can’t wait for the headline on Drudge:

BREAKING NEWS: MCCAIN CAMP CALLS LEONOR ANNENBERG TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER! Demands she dissolve and step down from leadership of ultra-leftist radical Annenberg Challenge and donate all proceeds to failing GOP political fund. “You can take this endorsement and shove it!” screams Palin to howling crowd at moonlit rally.
Developing…

[NB: Ahem is not holding breath]

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245SH on Oct 21, 2008 at 7:20 am:

Ahem Your Losing, it appears you are one of those “in your face” people Obama talked about. You must be worried about this post otherwise you wouldn’t be here.

Pathetic soul you are.

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246Valerius on Oct 21, 2008 at 7:34 am:

Looks to me like we’re chasing down the wrong Obama. Michele brought Ayers and Barack together. She organized the panel with the two of them on it. I have always thought that Barack is actually more of a pliable follower than a real leader. He seesm like a guy who just wants to be loved by the entire world….thre is some Clinont in this guy too.

And to the libs commenting here. We know how old Obama was when Ayers was active and that is a specious argument. I wasn’t born when Hitler was slaughter Jews in Europe but that doesn’t mean I cannot know Hitler was a bad guy. The question is do birds of a feather flock together? Why did people like Ayers associate their beliefs with Obama’s? and Why did Obama believe Ayers was just another guy?

I think the answer is obvious to anyone who actually wants to think about it. The deniers are fooling no one but themselves.

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247Oliver Steinberg on Oct 21, 2008 at 7:51 am:

KrlyQ bolsters his point of view with three (count them three) quotations from Samuel Adams—a notorious “domestic terrorist” who incited riots and mayhem against the lawful authorities in colonial Massachusetts; whose agitation sparked the so-called Boston Massacre where five or six Americans were killed; whose career was dedicated to what can fairly be called “treasonous” activities and “class warfare; and who was certainly unrepentant throughout the remainder of his long life . . . and who even today has a role in the subversion of the fabric of our society through the use of his name and image in promoting a brand of beer, otherwise known as booze, the consumption of which promotes crime, violence, indolence, traffic deaths, fetal alcohol syndrome, and family quarrels.

The fact that KrlyQ wasn’t alive when Adams was does not diminish his responsibility for adopting Adams as a role model and authority figure, nor for spreading Adams’ seditious doctrines.

The record of Sam Adams’ life is well known to all reasonably informed people. I am not interested in Krly’s alibis.

You see how easy this is? Oh by the way—John McCain personally bombed a lot of people, and associated with many other people who caused the deaths of thousands of people with their bombing. But that was done under orders—so HIS hands are clean, aren’t they? I’m sure God thinks so, too!

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248ELENA on Oct 21, 2008 at 8:19 am:

I THINK THAT KEN IS RIGHT AND DONT BRING IT ON ON HIM LIKE THAT BECAUSE THATS NOT RIGHT

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249Dennis on Oct 21, 2008 at 9:53 am:

I don’t understand why noone is discussing his mentor that he mentions in his first book. He is referred to as Frank and this could be only one person. Frank Marshall Davis, a card carrying communist who mentored Obama during his teen years in Hawaii. Google it.

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250Sharon Klaff on Oct 21, 2008 at 9:54 am:

We certainly live in crazy times if everything we say has be proved in such a way so as to avoid the truth being eradicated. Does this fact alone not beg the question as to Obama’s suitability to be President of the USA? Furthermore, if Islam is a peaceful religion and the Democrats have no problems with Islam and its adherents and if there is nothing in the constitution that prohibits a Muslim being President of the USA, why is Obama going to such lengths to deny his birthright as a Muslim even if in the end he decided to become a Christian? Why is the Democratic party going to such lengths to deny his past as a Muslim? Shouldn’t this also beg the question as to Obama’s suitability to be President and the democrats’ to hold power?

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251RedDish on Oct 21, 2008 at 10:24 am:

Zombie—seems like the only time I post, I only say, “you rock” Zombie, you rock!

P.S. The comments are funnnnny! I’ve always wondered why people take the time to post if all they are going to say is ‘this is dumb and doesn’t matter’….

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252Thomass on Oct 21, 2008 at 10:43 am:

Ken on Oct 18, 2008 at 8:31 pm:

“Writing a tiny blurb of a review does not, in any way, mean that you support the actions of the author. If it does then I feel sorry for the guys who write the forewards of the English editions of “Mein Kampf.” Are they going to be implicated in a similar “guilty-by-association” fashion, as well?”

At first I thought this was sarcasm and you were anti O…. anyway, it depends on the blurb man! If you praise Hitler or his book in your blurb… then YES your a scum bag and should be raked over the coals for your ‘guilt by association’. If you write something about the important need to understand the history of the period, in order to avoid it happening again, and this requires reading this stuff (re:garbage)… then no.

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253Dave Surls on Oct 21, 2008 at 10:45 am:

There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Al Qaida and The Weathermen.

Anyone who is willing to be friends and associates with members of the Weathermen, isn’t going to have any qualms about being being pals with members of Al Qaida either.

When Barack Obama claims that he wishes to wage war on Al Qaida, I say that Barack Obama lies.

When Barack Obama claims that he is against the war in Iraq because it diverts resources away from the war on Al Qaida, I say Barack Obama lies.

I say that Barack Obama spent 20 years in Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s Church because he, like Wright, despises America and wishes America ill, and I believe that that’s why Barack Obama has no problem with being an associate of William Ayers.

And, that’s why I would never vote for Barack Obama.

Well, that’s partly why. There’s a lot of other reasons.

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254Hilly on Oct 21, 2008 at 11:53 am:

as of 10/20/2008 security checks for potential staffers for both campaigns now underway:
staff member John Doe:
questionalble birth place, at early age mentored by communist, lived in african country, lived in indonesia, attended muslim schools, associated with militants in college, was activist post grad, associated with domestic terrorist.
Security Clearance refused on basis of past affiliations !!

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255Lindy on Oct 21, 2008 at 12:52 pm:

Its pretty offensive when Obama lied during the debates stating he only sat on one board with Ayers. He sat on two boards, sat on a panel with him after Michelle Obama invited Ayers to be on the panel, had a campaign fundraising in Ayers living room, kicking off his campaign, sat on two boards, Woods and Annenburg and got together with Ayers in 2001 after Ayers stated he didn’t do enough bombing of America in the 60s. Ayers contributed to his campaign and worked as a campaign worker in Chicago, endorsing Obama. Not only was Ayers involved, but another former Weatherman terrorist was blogging for Obama on the Obama website. After his background was revealed to the public, the Obama Campaign removed his posts. Yeah……..the neighborhood belonged to housed Muhammad Ali, Farrakhan and many other radicals. The problem is, Obama sees the rest of the nation as South Chicago and would like the rest of the nation to be like South Chicago. He has little experience with any other part of America and doesn’t understand Americana values, cultures and traditions.

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256Pappy O'Daniel on Oct 21, 2008 at 12:56 pm:

If Obama is guilty by associating with Ayers on the Boards of two non-profits, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and Woods Fund, isn’t it relevant to see who else serves on those boards?

Take a peek at the Annenberg Foundation members.

* Walter & Leonore Annenberg - founder who gave Bill Ayers a $49M grant. His widow, Leonore, has endorsed McCain. In fact, just yesterday the McCain Campaign released its list of Ambassadors supporting him. It included, Mrs. Annenberg, a former “chief of protocol” at the State Dep’t under the Reagan Administration. A Republican, she also DONATED THE MAX OF $2300 TO McCAIN’S CAMPAIGN IN MAY 2008.

According to Opensecrets.com, she has donated to Republican candidates over 100 times in the past few elections cycles. Her campaign contributions have gone to George W Bush, Fred Thompson, Arlen Spector, Rick Santorum, Jon Kyle, Elizabeth Dole, Bob Dole, Richard Shelby, John Warner,David Dreier, Olympia Snowe, Jon Fox and Christine Todd Whitman.

Have each of these GOP candidates refunded her money because she’s got a “domestic terrorist” on her own Board or because she gave that “domestic terrorist” a $49 million grant before Obama was on the Board? In addition to individual contributions, Mrs. Annenberg also donated regularly to the Republican National Committee, the Republican Senatorial Committee and Republicans for Choice.

Other notable members on the Annenberg Board include:

* David Kearns - former Deputy Secretary of Education under Bush I; former CEO of Xerox; Chairman of NASDC, a Bush I reform initiative for Education; WORKED FOR & DONATED TO McCAIN’S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN 2000 AND AGAIN IN 2008.

* Arnold Weber - former member of Nixon Administration; former President of Northwestern University and U of Colorado. Board Member of Tribune Company. DONATED TO McCAIN’S CAMPAIGN.

Let’s take a look at The Woods Fund . . .
Do you know that Presbyterian Minister Cynthia Campbell serves on the Board on the Woods Fund?. She got her Masters in Divinity from Harvard and her doctorate from SMU. She is author of A Multitude of Blessings: A Christian Approach to Religious Diversity, as well as a monograph, Theologies Written from Feminist Perspectives. She is also the current President of the McCormick Theological Seminary.

Additionally, today’s Wood Fund’s eight-member board includes three academics, a civic leader, a former Illinois state senator and executives from the BP oil company, UBS investment bank and Sahara Enterprises. Former board members include R. Eden Martin (1996-2004), attorney for the law firm Sidley Austin and president of the Commercial Club, Chicago’s most prestigious business group. Many of these members are Republicans and supporters of McCain.

So why is it again the Obama should be chastised for serving on Boards with William Ayers? When the founder of the Annenberg Foundation gave $49 million to Ayers, then put him on her Board, and still to this day contributes thousands to GOP candidates across the country, should each of these GOP members be assailed for taking contributions from someone who associates with a “domestic terrorist” from the 60s?

As much as you really, really, want something to be there; it just isn’t.

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257Luneleger on Oct 21, 2008 at 1:26 pm:

Oliver Steinberg,

Your attempt at using Adams as some have used Ayers shows a complete inability to distinguish between good and evil. Adams’ goal was a free republic; Ayers’ goal is totalitarian communism. Saying they are the equivalent is like saying the cop who shoots a perp to save lives is the same as the perp who shoots an innocent man to steal money. They both shoot people but they are polar opposites just like Adams and Ayers. Most people should be able to distinguish the two but maybe some like yourself cannot. I pity you. On the other hand, you serve as a good example of why Obama would be a poor President, because just like you he would be unable to distinguish between good and evil.

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258Ahem Your Losing on Oct 21, 2008 at 1:31 pm:

If it ain’t the Pappy o’Daniel Flour Hour!!

Well Pappy, these folks like that ole timey religion here! no stupid facts or that demon logic gonna work on them - Nooo sirreee bob! they been exorcised against witchcraft by Rev Muthee - just like their hero Sarah “God get them Jews out of my way” Palin.

HALLELUJAH!!! Thank God y’all got Ayers or we REAL Americans wouldn’t have a campaign… what we need is some righteous indignation of the Obamination that is the Obama Nation cuz otherwize he’s gonna win runnin on the ISSSHAs!!
the ISSSHAs - screw the daum isshas!

Can I get an AMEN SOMEBODY!!!

[now Ahem, you know that you must be scared otherwise why would you be here?]

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259Dave Surls on Oct 21, 2008 at 3:01 pm:

“Walter & Leonore Annenberg - founder who gave Bill Ayers a $49M grant.”

The Annenberg Foundation has given out 5200 grants totalling almost $3 BILLION dollars over the last 15 years. The Annenbergs couldn’t personally check out all the people associated with all the organizations that recieved those grants if their lives depended on it. It’s certainly possible that the Annenberg’s knew that Bill Ayer’s was working on one of the projects that they were funding, but I very much doubt that that’s the case.

Barack Obama, however, is just one person, not a gigantic philanthropic foundation, and he is just one person who was directly involved with Bill Ayers, and knew exactly who he was, and what he was.

“Have each of these GOP candidates refunded her money because she’s got a “domestic terrorist” on her own Board or because she gave that “domestic terrorist” a $49 million grant before Obama was on the Board? In addition to individual contributions, Mrs. Annenberg also donated regularly to the Republican National Committee, the Republican Senatorial Committee and Republicans for Choice.”

“Other notable members on the Annenberg Board include:”

“* David Kearns - former Deputy Secretary of Education under Bush I; former CEO of Xerox; Chairman of NASDC, a Bush I reform initiative for Education; WORKED FOR & DONATED TO McCAIN’S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN 2000 AND AGAIN IN 2008.”

“* Arnold Weber - former member of Nixon Administration; former President of Northwestern University and U of Colorado. Board Member of Tribune Company. DONATED TO McCAIN’S CAMPAIGN. ”

I’m afraid you’re confusing the board of the Annenberg Foundation with the board of the Annenberg Challenge, two totally different entities. Walter Annenberg was a real hands on guy and definitely knew the people on the board of the Annenberg Foundation, however it’s extremely unlikely that either he or his wife knew of Bill Ayers’ connection with the Annenberg Challenge. Especially, since Ayers didn’t actually sit on the board of either organization (at least not as far as I can tell), he was just one of the people who wrote the grant application for the Annenberg Challenge.

If you actually want to find out a little something about Walter Annenberg, the Annenberg foundation and the connection between the Annenberg Foundation and the Annenberg Challenge, wiki has a good short article. I would suggest that you read it as a starting point for researching this issue. That way you’ll actually have a clue, before you start bloviating or making absurd claims that the Annenbergs gave Bill Ayers a $49,000,000 grant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Annenberg_Challenge

“As much as you really, really, want something to be there; it just isn’t.”

As much as you think you have a legitimate argument, you don’t.

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260Wm T Sherman on Oct 21, 2008 at 4:18 pm:

Just wondering - how you call yourself “Ahem Your Losing” instead of “Ahem You’re Losing?”

Anyway, if you really thought this was nothing, I don’t think you would post about it incessantly.

Do keep in mind, the concern about Obama’s associates is not about guilt by association. It is about guilt by participation. He was not merely in the same place at the same time. He was materially engaged with these people to his own substantial benefit. Obama has gone to some lengths to deny knowing people that he has obviously been deeply involved with. He lies. It does not concern someone like you that he lies.

That a man like Ayers, still pushing for a communist revolution through other means, is an accepted member of academia and Chicago high society, does not mean he is a good man. It means there is something deeply wrong with academia and Chicago high society.

If the Anneberg foundation gave large amounts of money for Ayers’ indoctrination program for schoolchildren, a program that taught them absolutely nothing about reading, math, etc., then there is something deeply wrong with the Annenberg foundation.

Annenberg was about 85 years old when the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant was made. I doubt he personally was responsible for any “due diligence.” He may very well have screwed the pooch by doling out enormous amonts of money for a number of useless projects.

That former Republican officials served somewhere in the Annenberg organization, an organization much larger than the Chicago grant, does not tell us anything useful.

Ayers is one of many problematic Obama associates . It’s not just about Ayers. It’s about a pattern that tells us something about Obama himself, and about a problem within our society. Obama embodies that problem and he will demonstrate that if he is elected.

I don’t like the McCain/Palin ticket much, but it’s all we’ve got. Given Obama’s inexperience, and his management of failed/destructive social programs, I don’t see how he is any better than his opponent. If we are talking about inadequate Vice Presidential candiates, I don’t see that Biden is better than Palin. He says one stupid and/or false thing after another. The campaign is hiding him away after his latest gaffe.

Here is foreign policy guru Biden at work:

just one month after 9/11, Biden had his own reaction to events of September 11th - even while Iran was concluding an arms deal in Russia the US strongly opposed:

“At the Tuesday-morning meeting with committee staffers, Biden launches into a stream-of-consciousness monologue about what his committee should be doing, before he finally admits the obvious: “I’m groping here.” Then he hits on an idea: America needs to show the Arab world that we’re not bent on its destruction. “Seems to me this would be a good time to send, no strings attached, a check for $200 million to Iran,” Biden declares. He surveys the table with raised eyebrows, a How do ya like that? look on his face.

The staffers sit in silence. Finally somebody ventures a response: “I think they’d send it back.” Then another aide speaks up delicately: “The thing I would worry about is that it would almost look like a publicity stunt.” Still another reminds Biden that an Iranian delegation is in Moscow that very day to discuss a $300 million arms deal with Vladimir Putin that the United States has strongly condemned. But Joe Biden is barely listening anymore. He’s already moved on to something else.”

More: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/08/bidens-iran-pro.html

(Note that Iran is not an Arab country.)

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261Freedom Now on Oct 21, 2008 at 4:57 pm:

Just like the Wright debacle the Left is trying to use strawman arguments. No one said that Obama was a terrorist, except for leftwing trolls who claim that critics of Obama are saying that. The issue is that Obama is lying about his connection with Ayers because he is untruthfully downplaying his relationship. He claimed that Ayers is just another person in the neighborhood when they had many intimate connections and supported each other before Ayers became a liability when Obama assumed his role as a U.S. Senator and began to have White House ambitions.

Much like Obama lied when he said that he didnt think Rev Wright was particularly controversial and that he never heard him say hateful stuff like he was quoted in blogs. Obama wound up repudiating Rev Wright and his 20-year church membership in exchange for his presidential ambitions as well. It appears that Obama is a new man now that he wants to be president. As his wife said, she has never been proud of this country before!!!

Obama is very dishonest. If he sincerely talked about his association with Ayers this would have never been a big deal. He could have said that he excersized bad judgment in associating with Ayers. Instead he lied and his enablers support his lies.

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262JoeInMI on Oct 21, 2008 at 6:00 pm:

Ahem, Pappy, et al, do not believe for a minute this crap they’re peddling.
It is only their own arrogance which inspires them to presume to “educate” us riff-raff, whom they actually believe they can convert, with obfuscation, smoke-screens subject-changing, and shuck-and-jiving, to their way of “thinking” (if one can call it that).

But, as regards this tired old red herring of the memberships of the Woods and Annenberg boards: I believe these earnest morons truly do not discern the distinction between those who sit on boards, and those who write the grants and direct the funding (read: Obama).
And, if they pulled their heads out of their asses long enough to recognize that distinction, one other important difference might occur to them:

Ready?

OBAMA IS THE ONLY ONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

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263Piper on Oct 21, 2008 at 6:46 pm:

So, in the casual, unbiased interest of just putting it out there in case people want to see it, you publish 4 massive photos that add nothing to the discussion, and prove nothing more than that you didn’t make it up. Overkill anyone? Gilding the lily perhaps? Flogging a dead horse? Blood from a stone?
I mean really - what’s the fuss all about? SHOCK HORROR Obama’s aides hid the truth about something. Hold the presses- politician hides truth. Bad Barack.

Ayers is not on death row, he’s not a convicted criminal, he never killed anyone, and for a long time he has been professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago and the author of countless books in the field of education. If you want to attack someone, and if you think he’s such a heinous person, attack the university for employing him. (Oh, sorry, I forgot that dissing universities is a given on this ‘blog’.)

I honestly don’t know why Obama’s people just frame his working relationship with Ayers within his longtime role as an education academic. As we all know, Obama was a child when Ayers was involved with the Weathermen. To draw any connection with Ayers the Weatherman bomber and Obama the president-elect is laughable. But of course the Reps have precious little else to attack him with…

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264Eric on Oct 21, 2008 at 7:22 pm:

William Ayers and his lovely wife are responsible for the assassinations of US Military members and police officers. They freely admit this. They are not in jail because of a technicality in the law, I believe they were not read their rights before questioned. They actually said that their “only regret was not having done more”.
We know that Obama has spent time with Mr. Ayers. Let me be the first to tell you that if I spent time with Mr. Ayers, I would beat him on or about the head until such a time as he quit breathing. Obama has no sense of pride in America. Obama’s first answer to how he would lower the budget of the government was to stop spending on future weapons platforms. Those are the weapons platforms that would keep our troops safe in a time of war, and would insure our independence as a free nation.
Obama is bad for America. If we elect him, we will realize it soon. At least Joe Biden thinks so.

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265billy hank on Oct 21, 2008 at 8:52 pm:

Congratulations Z. “A hit, a most palpable hit.” You sure drew a swarm of horse’s ass flies to this piece of news. If The One was so far ahead, I doubt these deniers would waste time and energy on on trying to fuzz up, diminish, or otherwise play a moral relativism card on such a screamingly obvious case of collusion and lying.

I’ve spent a little time around the left until I too grew up as (some of) you will. Worked in Tom Hayden’s campaign HQ in Santa Monica while living in Venice. All you little Obamabots working to make your way from the fringes of the Outer Party to the Inner Party are going to experience lots of surprises along the way. If you have any honor and integrity, you’ll drop out before your 35. If your morals are so compromised, you may keep wallowing until well into your 80s like poor old Marvin Sussman.

From what I saw of Hayden’s operation and their HR, Obama, red diaper baby, initiated into adulthood by Communist Frank Davis, was pulled or pushed himself in front of Ayers at Columbia. Ayers, Progressive Rock Star, saw the possibilities in Obama. Trained and further vetted by Said and other Far Left faculty at Columbia, Obama returned to Chicago where Ayers had set up a cushy life as Foundation President; even finding The One an appropriately radical wife. After ghostwriting or substantially drafting The One’s first autobiography, Ayers then puts his Imprimatur on The One’s first campaign. Obama effectively dispatches the competition, no need to count votes if there is only one candidate, and the rest is history.

Now, as he goes for the brass ring, he and Ayers both reason that their association would hurt their chances, so Obama trots out “the guy in my neighborhood” canard to flim-flam the rubes. During this campaign, The One resorts to some NLP techniques to induce mass hypnosis in the crowds, why else did Chrissy Mathews fell that tingle up his leg. Incidentally, those easiest to hypnotize are those who describe themselves as able to easily let go of their inhibitions. Good description of you Obamabots, uninhibited. Like that don’t you? Just means you don’t know you own mind. Obama is filling it for you. With lies. But you knew that didn’t you?

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266Rolf on Oct 21, 2008 at 9:20 pm:

Hello buzz saw…

You truly amaze me - this artificial segmentation between left and right. Good and Bad. So american. So black and white. So ‘either with us or against us’. Nothing personal but…so small minded.

You are obviously the product of the american education system - so I wont hold that against you. Just counsel you to open your eyes.

The world (i.e. globe/mankind/ww population) is in trouble. and it is attitudes like yours that not only amaze the more objective folk around you - but exacerbate the problem.

You need to travel alot more - read alot more - and open you eyes to the realities around us all.

Good luck

Rolf

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267Dave Surls on Oct 22, 2008 at 2:22 am:

“You are obviously the product of the american education system”

Halp mee, RoLLF. I am a aMerikan, an I neeD edukashun!!!

Alsoo, wat is “geography illeiterat” meean? Meean kan’t find ass witth booth hand, lik Euro an otter furriner?

Hav go now an rape pillage rest of worlde.

By by!

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268Tallu on Oct 22, 2008 at 3:12 am:

231 NORCALBILL

The scene you’ve presented is pretty damning if it’s true. I’ve read assertions of this storyline elsewhere, but I don’t know the source or sources of it.

Can you provide links to reputable primary sources that can allow me to verify these claims as facts?

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269UppityWoman on Oct 22, 2008 at 6:27 am:

This is NOT the Barack Obama Barack Obama knew!

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270UppityWoman on Oct 22, 2008 at 6:32 am:

Winston jumps from 1984 and asks:

“Can you provide links to reputable primary sources that can allow me to verify these claims as facts?”

No any longer Winston. Not any longer. That’s why someone had to go directly to microfiche. But then you already knew that…

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271Ahem You Are Losing More on Oct 22, 2008 at 12:06 pm:

I do hope all this errant, absurd and factually challenged “verbiage”*** is making all you right-wingers feel better. Because bashing away at an empty piñata may make you feel good now, but there won’t be any reward when the party’s over.

Despite your assinine attempts to create an Ayers issue where there is none, or rather BECAUSE of your delusional dumpster-diving, you’re ticket is losing by an ever-increasing margin. The American people have looked at this for months now, have rejected it as inconsequential and are getting increasingly distrustful of McCain (and your) efforts to waste any further time talking about a non-issue.

Don’t believe me? Fine. Talk to my friend Johnny Z here:

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: And Then It Was Ten . . .
Obama 51.6%, McCain 42.0%

UTICA, New York – Democrat Barack Obama moved very close to a double–digit lead over Republican John McCain in the national horserace for President, continuing his slow push forward above the 50% mark, gaining 1.3 points in the last day. Pollster John Zogby: “Three big days for Obama… These numbers, if they hold, are blowout numbers. They fit the 1980 model with Reagan’s victory over Carter — but they are happening 12 days before Reagan blasted ahead. He leads by 27 points among Independents, 27 points among those who have already voted, 16 among newly registered voters, 31 among Hispanics, 93%-2% among African Americans, 16 among women, 27 among those 18-29, 5 among 30-49 year olds, 8 among 50-64s, 4 among those over 65, 25 among Moderates, and 12 among Catholics (which is better than Bill Clinton’s 10-point victory among Catholics in 1996). He even leads with men by 2 points and is tied among NASCAR fans.”

So all the people of the world, all the people of America, owe you, the tireless lackeys of the Rove Right Wing, a great debt of gratitude. We couldn’t do it without you!!! Don’t talk up your candidates, keep on pushing your crazy talk about book blurb BS, etc - because what you are pushing looks like a record number of voters into Obama’s impending Electoral College landslide.

peace & grooviness,
Ahem

oh yeah - GO GATORS!!!!

*** quote from Caribou Barbie - only difference is that here I am actually using it correctly.

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272Ahem You Are Losing More on Oct 22, 2008 at 12:15 pm:

I forgot to say that the Zogby poll (which IMO is not that reliable) is the GOOD NEWS for y’all!
Here’s the results of the far more reliable and respected Pew Research Poll that covers 3 times the voters on landline and cell phones. Read em and weap…

Obama’s Lead Widens, McCain Falters in Latest Pew Poll
Susan Davis reports on WSJ.COM

The presidential race is increasing breaking in Barack Obama’s favor, with the latest Pew Research Center poll giving the Illinois senator his widest lead yet, 52%-38%, over rival John McCain.

Contributing to Obama’s edge is increased voter confidence in his candidacy. In particular, a majority of voters, 53%-32%, identify Obama as the best candidate to improve the U.S. economy, the No. 1 issue in this election year.

McCain has also done himself no favors, according to the poll. More voters, 41%, also say McCain has poor judgment while just 29% say the same about Obama.

McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin, is also proving to be a drag on the Republican presidential ticket. Nearly half, 49%, have an unfavorable opinion of Palin. Women under 50 years old in particular dislike Palin, with 60% holding an unfavorable view—up from 36% one month ago.

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273Yesnut on Oct 22, 2008 at 3:56 pm:

Hey, there are only six million people in Chicago. It was inevitable that Obama would end up in Ayers’ living room eventually!

http://www.johnsreport(.com)

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274buzzsawmonkey on Oct 22, 2008 at 7:12 pm:

#266 Rolf: You want to try refuting something, instead of taking refuge in vague and stupid abuse?

If you don’t like “the American educational system,” perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us here just what educational system is responsible for your paltry efforts at discussion. And in the meantime, given that the Left has dominated the American educational system for the last half century–the more so in the last several decades–perhaps you can explain just what your problem with it might be.

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275Don on Oct 22, 2008 at 7:20 pm:

Since Ayers had to have veted Obama for the foundation, and he also kicked off Obama’s political career, the issue is that Ayers was acting as a sponser.

Obviously, Ayers the terrorist like what he saw when he looked at Obama. Someone to further a radical, anti-American view.

It isn’t just Obama’s side of the relationship that matters, but Ayers side.

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276Mardukhai on Oct 22, 2008 at 8:02 pm:

Zombie — Please email re. the SF State BSU lovefest. — Mardukhai

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277AAnon. on Oct 22, 2008 at 10:58 pm:

Zombie,

Do you have access to this book?
Do you know if the final chapter is an unedited reproduction of ‘Prairie Fire’?
I am sure it would be interesting to see if any passages were edited out in 2006.

Dohrn, Bernardine, ed.’Sing a Battle Song : The Revolutionary Poetry, Statements, and Communiqués of the Weather Underground, 1970-1974′. 1st Seven Stories Press ed. New York : Seven Stories Press, 2006. (x, 390 pages)

Table of Contents
Editors’ Preface vii
Acknowledgments ix
Introduction
When Hope and History Rhyme 1
Revisiting the Weather Underground 21
From Weather to Climate: Revolutionary Anti-imperialism and the Battle to Save the Earth 43
Timeline 51
You Don’t Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows (1969 excerpt) 67
Part I
Sing a Battle Song: Poems by Women in the Weather Underground Organization 71
Part II
Looking Backward: Personal Reflections on Language, Gesture, and Mythology in the Weather Underground 121
The Weather Eye: Communiques from the Weather Underground 131
Part III
Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-imperialism Political Statement of the Weather Underground 231
About the Contributors

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278AmericanUnlassified on Oct 23, 2008 at 1:15 am:

I wanted to let you know that right after you posted this, I sent a report with your image and additional detail to my contact at Fox News. They put this online immediately after and ran the story. I saw the photo on TV when Greta held it up, I think Hannity also mentioned it in between other related discussions. But here is the URL with mention of zombietime.com

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/

They also called Obama reps about the photo.

Good work…I am AmericanUnclassified in the RCP readers articles.

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279MrPete on Oct 23, 2008 at 8:30 am:

I like the Osama - Ayers parallel.

So:
* Bin Laden has not personally bombed ANYthing, that I know of
* Bin Laden’s group, Al Qaeda, hasn’t killed anyone in several weeks at least
* Bin Laden has not been convicted of any of his alleged crimes
* Sure, he’s written some pretty asinine material and made some heated speeches, but everyone does that, right?
* Bin Laden is MUCH loved in many parts of the world. To millions, he’s a hero! You see his photo all over the place
* To use the words of Thomas Frank, Bin Laden is “unfailingly generous to people who ask for his help; and because he is kind and affable and even humble”… yes, he is! A poet, a charitable donor… an all around great guy.
* Not only that, Bin Laden attended at least one elite university, and is well educated in the topics that today’s elites appreciate so much, like economics, engineering, public administration.

Sooo similar to Ayers!
* Ayers was a “community organizer”… he taught others to bomb more than bombing himself
* Ayers group hasn’t killed anyone or bombed anything in a long time
* Ayers never went to jail for any of the things he allegedly did
* Sure, he’s written some pretty asinine material and made some heated speeches, but everyone does that, right?
* Ayers is MUCH loved in many parts of the world. Cuba, Venezuela, North Vietnam… even college professors in the US think he’s great!
* To use the words of Thomas Frank, Ayers is “unfailingly generous to people who ask for his help; and because he is kind and affable and even humble”… yes, he is! … an all around great guy.
* Not only that, Ayers even teaches in our elite universities.

See, Bin Laden and Ayers are quite similar.
WHO CARES that they are unrepentant about their terrorist activities?
WHO CARES whether they are influential over nations or leaders?
WHO CARES that their philosophies are completely antithetical to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”?

I, for one, certainly do.

I, for one, am horrified that Ayers teaches in our universities.
I, for one, am horrified that Ayers finagled millions to influence K-12 education with his philosophies.
I, for one, am horrified that Obama LIKES Ayers’ philosophy.**
I, for one, am horrified that Obama HELPED Ayers’ obtain and spend those millions.***
I, for one, am horrified that Obama learned at the feet of the same radicals that Ayers learned from…
I, for one, am horrified that Obama is not repentant of all this, is not VEHEMENTLY opposed to all this…
and…
I, for one, am horrified that so many Obama-ites have drunk the same koolaid. Including our MSM.

“Many others are like Ayers” and “Many others are like Obama” is NO EXCUSE.

** Obama LIKES Ayers’ writing. Read the current post.
*** Obama didn’t just “serve on a board with” Ayers. Obama was BOARD CHAIR. If Obama disagreed, he could have shut it down. Another board member (a Republican) DID disagree, but was overridden. If you’ve served on a board, you know Obama HAD to know Ayers’ philosophy.

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280Expose More on Oct 23, 2008 at 11:25 am:

Zombie - I’m a third-party supporter and I don’t support McCain or Obama, but in furthering my own research about Obama specifically, I came across your site, and I just want to say thank you or putting together such an informative peace. I think most of the Obamanation just doesn’t get it — nobody is tying Obama to Ayers to suggest he’s a terrorist… The main issue is why did Obama feel compelled to lie about it? Why does he still lie about it? Why does nobody seem to care that he is lying? Have we become so bass-ackwards in this society that we are convinced that we don’t need to hold our presidential hopefuls accountable to their statements? We’re not talking aobut some lie like “I ate 2 cookies instead of 1… This is an egregious, bold-faced lie directly to the American people and yet, it is dismissed. That’s the real problem with his association with Ayers.

Perhaps sometime you can do an expose that shows Obama’s ties to George Soros and Rebecca Peters… I think it would be great to demonstrate how ties to a global anti-gun conspirist like Peters… I mean let’s face it - McCain is not anything for the Republicans to get excited about, so why not stir them up more by making sure they understand that Obama has every intention (despite his lies) to take away oru 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms and he’s aligning himself to George Soros and Rebecca Peters to do so. George Soros’ ties to ACORN and ACT would be interesting to expose too (as it relates to voter fraud).

Keep up the great work!

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281Reg Cæsar on Oct 23, 2008 at 12:24 pm:

Bill Ayers would have had plenty of opportunity to practise his theories of pedagogy on little Chesa Boudin.

Chesa’s parents Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert– maybe Chesa doesn’t like the anonymity of his father’s surname– are graduates of the Ayers School of Weather Forecasting, and went on to murder a black cop (and father of three) named Waverly Brown in 1981. White killers, black cop… nice symmetry.

Especially when Kathy and David, facing long prison terms, sent their baby to Chicago to be reared by Bill and Bernardine. Chesa was probably in the room serving cheese and chablis when his foster parents inaugurated Obama’s political career.

Imagine, the “first black president”, this close to the killers of a black policeman. I mean, really… that would be like the wife of a sex predator becoming the “first female president”.

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282Mark In Irvine on Oct 23, 2008 at 2:14 pm:

“You people are mad about Bill Ayers because he knew the Democratic candidate for President. There’s nothing else to it. If there were you would be holding John McCain’s feet to the fire for his friendly ties to G. Gordon Liddy, who conspired to murder innocent political opponents and advocated gun violence against federal agents, or Sarah Palin’s close relationship with the radical Alaska Independence Party, whose founder died from a mischarged bomb.”

Only certain questionable connections interest Republicans, and those are the connections of Democrats or others who disagree with and/or oppose Republicans in some way. Republicans have no interest in or concern about their own connections with objectively questionable persons, because if the Republicans think some advantage can be gained for them from the connection, either individually or as a group, the Republican(s) in question simply ignore or minimize the “questionable” aspects of the connection, in an “ends justify the means” calculation that renders the Republican(s) completely incapable of objective consideration of the “questionable” aspects of the connection. Everybody knows that except the Republicans, who are fooling themselves in a concrete example of the mantra that “a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth”.

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283Can You Spell Landslide on Oct 23, 2008 at 4:32 pm:

Amen Mark in Irvine!!!

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284Dave Surls on Oct 23, 2008 at 5:23 pm:

“Bill Ayers would have had plenty of opportunity to practise his theories of pedagogy on little Chesa Boudin.”

You got that right.

“We have a different name for the war we’re fighting now. Now we call it the war on terrorism; then they called it the war on communism. My parents were all dedicated to fighting U.S. imperialism around the world. I’m dedicated to the same thing.”–Chesa “like step-daddy, like son” Boudin

It’s always nice to see another thoroughly indoctrinated red diaper baby join the ranks of the lunatic left.

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285Dave Surls on Oct 23, 2008 at 6:01 pm:

“Bill Ayers did not set bombs to achieve some state of terror but to try and stop an illegal and criminal war in Vietnam”

You’re a liar.

But, then we all know leftists lie everytime they set their tentacles on a keyboard.

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286Ahem You Are Losing More on Oct 24, 2008 at 8:49 am:

well it looks like the FACTS are not welcome here on zomblog Mr Surls, so what does that say for it’s (and by association your) commitment to truth?

The post that you quoted above, has been scrubbed. It contained an encyclopedic outline of the facts that refute several of the basic arguments being put out here with documented references to support it (i.e that Mr Ayers has indeed publicly expressed his remorse for the non-lethal bombs he set in protest against the VietNam war, he did so several times over many years, Ayers did not say or mean that he “wished he could have bombed more”, he was not charged with terrorism/sedition/treason or any thing even close, etc.

,b>Thanks for quoting the original factual post in your unsupported opinion piece and proving it existed before the “Truth Squad”*** here removed it.

Maybe they’ll scrub yours and this one now too - since they demonstrate exactly how uninterested in FACTS the Radical Right really is. Because we can’t have any real FACTS floating around that undermine your entire premise, now can we?

***[ NB: It never fails to amaze how well the right prevaricates in the face of the facts: watch Palin flat out lie and say the the AK Leg. Report says that she did NOT behave in an unethical manner, when the report found exactly that - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvtyRukgGMs ]

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287Dave Surls on Oct 24, 2008 at 11:39 am:

“The post that you quoted above, has been scrubbed.”

Yeah, and if I was Zombie, I’d delete most of your posts too, because they’re off topic spamstuff.

Fact: The war in Vietnam wasn’t illegal or criminal.

Fact: The Weathermen weren’t trying to end the war, they’re goal was “…the destruction of U.S. imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism.” as stated by the Revolutionary Youth Movement/Weathermen in 1969.

Ayers & co. were communist revolutionaries (albeit cowardly and impotent communist revolutionaries, but it’s the thought that counts), not anti-war activists.

By his association with Ayers, Barack Obama has demonstrated that he has no problem joining forces with communist revolutionaries who intend to destroy the United States and replace it with a worldwide communist state. This is hardly suprising, seeing as how the New Messiah spent 20 years as a member of a church which calls on God to damn America. I’d say that the reason why the new messiah hangs with Ayers and people like Ayers is because he hates America as much as they do, he just won’t come out and say so.

And, lefties lie pretty much every time they open their mouths.

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288Dave Surls on Oct 24, 2008 at 11:51 am:

Typical Weathermen bombing:

“September 28, 1973 - The ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy are bombed. WUO states this is in response to ITT’s alleged role in the Chilean coup earlier that month.”–wiki

What does that have to do with the Vietnam War?

Nothing.

When lefties claim that Ayers and his crew of leftoid maggots were trying to stop the Vietnam War or that Ayers was an anti-war activist…they lie.

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289Andy on Oct 25, 2008 at 1:07 pm:

The story of the relationship between notorious unapologetic American terrorist Bill Ayers and the JFK Pretender Barack Obama has been out there since February. As of yesterday no major news organization besides Fox has even attempted to question Ayers about the nature of the relationship, and then only once. They made another attempt yesterday…

The Red Star Badge of Courage
http://blog.topicaltopics.net/2008/10/the-red-star-badge-of-courage

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290Can You Spell Landslide on Oct 26, 2008 at 8:28 pm:

“The post that you quoted above, has been scrubbed.”
Surls:
“Yeah, and if I was Zombie, I’d delete most of your posts too, because they’re off topic spamstuff.”

Hmmm, I think that a post that contained DOCUMENTED FACTS that directly contradicted several of the main falsehoods being traded in here is extremely topic and the motivation for scrubbing it is obvious. Interestingly the posts here that seem to be way off topic (like yours calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you a liar) are still here. But dissent from the drumbeat repetition of the BIG LIE will not be tolerated meine freunde…

“Ayers & co. were … not anti-war activists.”
You are just factually incorrect. These are Ayers words:
“I think that what we did was to look at this situation of 2,000 people a day being murdered [in Vietnam] and try to figure out a couple of things. One is, how can we effectively resist the war, when we thought our charge was to convince the majority of the American people to oppose it. We did. And still the war went on, and still the murder went on. I think we were moving in a direction that said demonstrations — you know, we’ve tried to demonstrate. We’ve tried to petition our government. We’ve gone door to door and knocked on doors. We’ve talked to our neighbors. We’ve talked to, you know, our parents, our Republican parents. And everybody agrees with us; but we can’t stop the war. So what do we do?”
William Ayers - May 2004 Taped Interview (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/obama-associate-bill-ayers-unrepentant-for-acts-of-terror/)

“By his association with Ayers, Barack Obama has demonstrated that he has no problem joining forces with communist revolutionaries”
using your absurd logic that list of Commie-lovers joining forces with revolutionaries would include all of the other people who have worked with Ayers as well correct? people who hired and fund him to this day- the Rep. Annenbergs?
Mayor Daley? Univ of Illinois? How about all these people WHO STILL WORK WITH AYERS on the Woods Fund of Chicago - are they all COMMIE REVOLUTIONARIES TOO?? Ranking leaders from BP, UBS, SO&M - all JOINING FORCES??

2008
* Laura S. Washington - Board Chair - Ida B. Wells-Barnett University Professor and Fellow of the DePaul Humanities Center
* Jesus G. Garcia - Board Vice Chair - Executive Director, Little Village Community Development Corporation
* William C. Ayers - Distinguished Professor of Education, University of Illinois at Chicago
* Lee Bey - Director of Media and Governmental Affairs, Skidmore, Owings, & Merrill LLP
* Doris Salomón Chagin - Community Affairs Director, Midwest US, BP America Inc.
* Beth E. Richie - Professor and Head of the Department of African American Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago
* Patrick M. Sheahan - Executive Director, Public Affairs, UBS Investment Bank
* Charles N. Wheatley - President, Sahara Enterprises, Inc.

ROFLMAO - you are a nutter Mr Surls. maybe if you work hard and teach your kids as well as Chesa Boudin was - your kids will get a Rhodes Scholarship too!!!

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291Dave Surls on Oct 26, 2008 at 10:56 pm:

“You are just factually incorrect.”

No, I’m not. The goal of the Weathermen was…“…the destruction of U.S. imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism.”. These theme is repeated in numerous statements made by the membership of the RYM/Weathermen over several years.

They attacked civilian institutions that had nothing to do with the war in Vietnam, and the reasons the Weathermen themselves gave for bombing those buildings had nothing to do with the Vietnam War.

They were (and still are) communist revolutionaries, not anti-war activists.

They’re also out and out traitors under federal law.

And you lying won’t change any of that.

“How about all these people WHO STILL WORK WITH AYERS on the Woods Fund of Chicago - are they all COMMIE REVOLUTIONARIES TOO??”

First of all, I never said Barack Obama was a commie revolutionary. Second of all, none of those guys are running for POTUS, so I don’t really care who they hang out with. It’s none of my business.

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292cheritycall on Oct 27, 2008 at 3:19 pm:

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293Mark 5:9 on Oct 28, 2008 at 3:11 pm:

What does the book review have to do with anything? Palin quoted an Anti-Semite. Does that mean she’s anti-Semitic? Does Obama’s reviewing a book about the Juvenile Courts have anything to do him being accused of a terrorist?

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“When Sarah Palin said “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity,” at the RNC she was quoting anti-Semite Westbrook Pegler. He was also known for his wish that Franklin Roosevelt be assassinated.”

Zomb, at least balance it our a little. Do an expose on McCain and the Keating 5.

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294Chris on Oct 29, 2008 at 9:47 am:

I love that you jump to such strong conclusions just by seeing a picture of Obama with his accompanying blurb. Nobody is questioning if he really did write a blurb. Did you read the blurb. C’mon man have you never really had a friend or acquaintance that you connected to on some issues but not on others. I have a friend who is an Anarchist, I completely disagree with his broader conclusions but we connect on many others. Obama has never endorsed or approved of Ayers past behavior. Obama is very specific about what he approves of and that was about juveniles being tried as adults. The right wing media is trying to get you read into this and they are making the connections for you. This approach of character assassination has always been condemned until now. You can do this to anyone. You could take the actions of my friend and try to spin it to look like that’s what I believe when I passionately disagree with him. Guilt by association is absolutely wrong in our political arena.

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295Zoie on Nov 2, 2008 at 12:42 pm:

Read these from the Kenyan government: Office of Public Communications - Office of Government Spokesperson

RESPONSE TO AMERICAN SENATOR BARACK OBAMA’S POORLY INFORMED COMMENTS ABOUT TERRORISM, WANTED GENOCIDE CRIMINALS AND GOVERNANCE IN KENYA
http://www.communication.go.ke/media.asp?id=284

KENYAN AMBASSADOR SENDS PROTEST NOTE TO SENATOR BARAK OBAMA
YOUR REMARKS IN BAD TASTE, INJURIOUS TO KENYA/US BILATERAL RELATIONS
http://www.communication.go.ke/media.asp?id=291

and then watch Obama’s lies/spin here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvLV3d1Eq4

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296willottica on Nov 3, 2008 at 9:41 am:

Absolutely, how, after sitting on a board with Ayers about the juvenile courts, and reading a book by Ayers about the juvenile courts, could Obama POSSIBLY think Ayers was anything but a terrorist?

I mean, really, did Obama really believe that this guy was interested in juvenile justice? Ayers wasn’t even a juvenile at the time, why should he care about a bunch of kids??? It was clearly a ploy to solidify more power and recruit other terrorists to the cause, and just because they have never committed any more terrorist acts doesn’t mean they’re not going to!

(btw, if you can’t detect the sarcasm dripping from this post, you’ve been listening to way to much Limbaugh.)

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297Matt on Nov 3, 2008 at 8:12 pm:

Wow. The whole lot of you is why our country has fallen apart the last 8 years. Your all as dumb as G.W.

If you don’t personally know anyone whose views are different than yours, you’re all incredibly sheltered.

Bill Ayers didn’t intentionally kill anyone. He bombed empty buildings, and even warned the police before they happened. It’s sad that a couple people died.

George W. Bush’s actions & lies have led to the masacre of 80,000-90,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, and thousands of our own US soldiers. For what? Absolutely nothing. He personally authorized the use of torture, breaking our own laws. Some Christian he is. Islamic terrorists would be envious.

The Ohio National Guard murdered 4 unarmed students at Kent State.
Shit happens. People kill people. Governments kill people.

Obama has killed no one. He knows a guy that was once part of a group that ended up killing a few people. So what. I used to know a drug dealer. Who cares. Sara Palin has African witch doctors bless her. Who cares. McCain knows & worked with the Keating 5. Who cares.

The stock market has historically had greater returns when a Democrat is in office. More jobs are created under Democrats. Look it up if you don’t believe me. And if we continue to say f*ck you to the rest of the world while we simultaneously destroy it with our close minded foolishness of the last 8 years, there won’t be much of a country left to love. The Republicans had their chance, they messed it up. McCain used to be a good guy, and I may have voted for him, but he screwed up his chances in all kinds of ways. Hiring a moron for VP, and throwing his own morals, values and ideals into the wind for a chance to win. His judgement is flawed, and because of that he’ll lose.

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298ThereseJDanielsson on Nov 10, 2008 at 8:30 pm:

Not even a week after the president election the blond topblogger from Sweden, Linda Ekholm speaks out loud about Obama!
And I really believe this is truly written by heart. Scary!

http://www.finest.se/userBlog/?uid=30701&beid=1040511

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299yaozhaoshu on Nov 12, 2008 at 6:09 pm:

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300James on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:11 pm:

I am glad Obama acknowledges Ayer’s Book. It’s a good book. Read it. That Obama reads is probably what disturbs those whose declared fondness is for politicians as illiterate as themsleves. The same politicians who brought us this criminal “leadership” of the last 28-8 years. Aren’t you proud of this regimes accomplishments? I hope so, for it is your world they destroyed. Obama just got handed the biggest shit sandwich ever by Bush and you guys are jealous that he has the integrity to take it on fearlessly.

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301James on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:21 pm:

We need more people passionate about overthrowing the corporate oligarchy than we need these fools committed to encouraging the destruction of Liberty. Obama just got handed the biggest shit sandwich in the world by stupid neocon idiots who almost wrecked the entire Counrty in just 8 years and you guys sound jealous that he is up for the job of trying to repair some of the damage. I just feel a little sad that he is trying to actually make your world a better place but you guys would only be happy if the destruction continued unabated. Obama is not the progressives answer - he is a somewhat tepid version of a centrist, but that makes him electable in this land of the stupid voter and corporate media. I wish he was the revolutionary you fear - He is not. he really is just another one of your kind…. just not dumb enough to be a neocon retard, that’s all. Is there a single aspect of Neocon ideology that actually improves our lives? Is it a requirement of this ideology that we have our own Reichstag to prop it up?

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302nyah on Jan 15, 2009 at 8:20 am:

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303mr. science on Jan 17, 2009 at 7:42 pm:

Wow. This is the one that will slay David. Again and again impotent passion and pathetic ideoligy. McGoliath did not manage to slay our new president, David. To you neocon shit for brains, money for rumors, just sit down and shut up. Those of us who can read and understand the Scientific method [not inculcation, rumors, money and hatred] will be involved now. It is no doubt a bit late after what king george and president cheney got away with- but hey, lets all contribute a couple of bucks and fly the previous administration to Europe, where the War Crimes Tribunal can nab them and hold them accountable. Apparently envy or retardation prevents republitards from seeking same for their terrorists. Call Ayer what you want- he did not waste $350 billion of your money on his banking cronies and thieves.

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304amitesh on Apr 13, 2009 at 4:30 am:

Obama is a good writer more than a president.

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305Bobby on Apr 15, 2009 at 12:39 am:

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Your hatred helped to elect him, the people have seen you all for what you are.

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306James on Apr 26, 2009 at 9:57 pm:

I’m so glad that these rumors of Obama being a socialist or Muslim or radical leftist have been disproved in the first 100 days. Hopefully, he won’t do anything stupid like nationalize a bunch of large companies or bow deeply to the defender of mecca and the city or release photos and intelligence reports that will undermine our national defense. Oh wait! I guess he already did all of those stupid things.
Can’t say you didn’t warn us.

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307After The Landslide on Apr 30, 2009 at 4:41 am:

I am soooo glad I came back to revisit this thread!! None of the big mouths who have been proven wrong are here apologizing for their illogical and factually challenged BS - quelle surprise…
But of course, some of the lunatic right wing fringe can be counted on to TEABAG their way past the truth no matter what:

TO: #306 James
“I’m so glad that these rumors of Obama being a socialist or Muslim or radical leftist have been disproved in the first 100 days.”
Wow, you are factually and logically challenged as the pre-election buttkicking crowd was:
a) investing in shares in a company (which is what the US Gov is currently doing) is not nationalisation. If they took over the company and created a Department of Automobile Manufacture and ran it from the WH, that would be like CITGO in Venezuela or France’s taking over Renault after WWII.
b) And if you watched (which I doubt) last nights speech, the President was unequivocal that this was an unwanted move made due to temporary needs generated by the economic crisis he inherited from the last 8 years of failed government. The Obama Admin seeks to return all such shares to the private market ASAP.
c) this alleged “radical leftist” President - which as defined above means like Bill Ayres (when he was a radical leftist) and therefore anti-war and anti-government - just kept the Bush Admin’s Sec of Defense, INCREASED troop levels in Afghanistan, commanded 3 Pirates shot dead on sight and increased the Pentagon, Defense and VA budgets.

Tell me how, and in what twisted little mind, that is “anti-war”, “radical” or “leftist”?

“Hopefully, he won’t do anything stupid like nationalize a bunch of large companies”
do you know what Nationalization is? obviously not. As long as the majority of shares and or the assets of a company remain in private hands, it is a private company. The USPS is a nationalized industry by Constitutional law. see above or look at the oil industry in Venezuela, the National Healthcare System in the UK for more details on what other nationalised industries look like.

“or release photos and intelligence reports that will undermine our national defense. Oh wait! I guess he already did all of those stupid things.”
a) the bowing BS is a manufactured controversy and ergo, a non-issue
b) umm… I assume you are talking about the Bush Admin releasing photos of torture at Abu Ghraib right? LOL
c) if you read anything other than Faux News, you would know that the decision to release the Bush memos was
– was approved by former Bush, and current, Sec of Defense Gates
– made in large part because most of the content was already widely known or about to be released via other sources

Nice to see there is always someone here to remind us how much work there still needs to be done on the US Educational system.

Enjoy the next 7 years and

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308Takekaze on Jun 3, 2009 at 5:14 am:

TO 307After The Landslide

Which was not really a landslide, mind you.

But the bow issue is hardly a non-issue. Of course, most Americans are too dumb to know that (including you). Obama bowed to the saudi nut as if that guy was his master, but his bow to the Queen was hardly more than a slight nod with his head. And now Obama is running around apologizing to the world for “imposing US values on them”, he even called the US a muslim country.

Hey asshat, I’m not American and I’m GLAD the US “imposed” their values on us after WW2.

So the government was investing in shares… and now GM is going down completely. Hmmm… well, it looks like the unions dried GM out and the government moved into finally kill it.

Your health care is about to be nationalized. Some of Obama’s goons have already said that there should be only one car company in the US.

Obama is a leftwing fascist. Mandatory youth service isn’t fascist at all. His racist background is also known, but the media ignores it (”white man’s greed runs a world in need”; and let’s not forget 20 years in Wright Himmler’s church or Obama’s own father’s writings which stink of racism like Mein Kampf.)

As for the “economic crisis” he “inherited”, uhm… who refused to reform Fannie and Freddie? Not Bush, but the democrats. Who forced the banks to give loans to everyone? Not Bush, but the democrats. Who quadrupled the budget deficit and doubled the national debt? Not Bush, but Obama. The government can not influence the market with using TAX MONEY like irresponsible monkeys. Who’s going to pay that bill? Obama? No. Your grandchildren will. Enjoy it, you’re turning into Europe 2.0 and that is NOT a good thing.

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309Anonymous on Jun 17, 2009 at 3:33 pm:

Primo investigative work.

If it weren’t for the politically unsophisticated, ideological college kids, many of them first time voters and the multitude of black Americans eager for a black man as President who would get them what they want “by any means necessary” (ignoring the Constitution), the boob wouldn’t be in office. His Gestapo is ACORN and they are militant.

I was angered when CNN interviewed Barack supporters at election time and a 100 year old black woman stated it would be the first time she’d voted in her life! I guess the Civil Rights efforts of MLK were lost on her.

What I saw in him was a salesman, a speaker no more impressive than the thousands of high school graduating class Valedictorians who wow the audience with their idealistic views of a better world, devoid of poverty and war. The campaign was nothing but a mass Pep Rally for Obama with fans cooing and drooling and weeping at the sight of him. Ring a bell, flash a light, the suckers will come…and buy your snake oil.

The sad thing is that most black Americans who voted for Obama weren’t aware another Black man was running in this election because the liberal media didn’t want him covered at all and he, unlike Obama, is 100% African-American with an ancestry in America which Obama doesn’t have. His own African grandmother said he was born in Kenya as she witnessed the birth…he has never produced a birth certificate which he’d have had he been born in the U.S.

For all those liberal whites who call members of their own race “racists” whenever they criticize Obama, they are either stupid or immature or maybe they think they’ll win favor with someone but, they are pathetic.

Not following protocol with Queen Elizabeth was predictable as was his bowing to the Saudi King; some of us read people very well and are never surprised by actions while others seem incapable of knowing when they are being deceived. Unfortunately for the U.S. the ignorant ones among us have placed us in peril and the country can not survive the damage done by this incompetent “leader”.

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310Yarrock on Jul 8, 2009 at 3:23 am:

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311Noah Vaile on Jul 14, 2009 at 7:59 am:

Barack Obama was born virginal and naked on November 4, 2008. Then rose again on January 20, 2009. He has no past and no history. He stands for whatever you believe, wants what you want and is the embodiment of hope for the nation and the world. As he walks across the seas to visit other nations he brings with him that hope and creates change wherever he appears. He embodies the gentle spirit of American hope for a world free of weaponry and the hatred that motivates its creation and use. He shall lead us to peace through pacifism and power through moral leadership. By disarming ourselves the world will no longer be threatened by our unfettered aggression in the cause of democracy and will find freedom through leadership. BO will generously provide that leadership. All hail the leader!!

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312Spiderbucket on Oct 16, 2009 at 1:47 pm:

So what ?

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