No Blood for Obama’s Oil?

Back in “the old days” (i.e. 2003-2008) it was always fun to walk around the Bay Area and point out hypocritical bumper stickers decrying the use of oil — stickers that were affixed to cars which require petroleum products to operate.

A popular sticker back then was “No Blood for Oil,” referring to the belief — still almost unanimous in liberal enclaves — that the 2003-08 Iraq War was a “war for oil,” rather than for any of the stated rationales given at the time by the U.N., the coalition and the Bush administration.

But now that the Obama administration — after its facile attempt to end violence in Iraq by withdrawing all American forces spectacularly backfired — is planning to once again invade Iraq, what will the “No Blood for Oil” brigade do?

For example, this typical car spotted yesterday in Berkeley, with 2008-era bumper stickers:

On one side: “No Blood for Oil“; on the other: “Obama ’08.”

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

One of those stickers simply has to be scraped off. Otherwise the cognitive dissonance would be too intense to tolerate.

But which sticker to remove?

The answer to that question may determine America’s political future in the near term.

Will anti-war liberals hold true to their unwavering belief that whenever America wages war in the Middle East, it is “for oil”? Or will they defend Obama politically as he once again sends American troops to Iraq?

Because when Obama invades Iraq, as he is about to do, you can’t have it both ways.

90 Responses to “No Blood for Obama’s Oil?”

  1. 1freaked on Sep 9, 2014 at 7:07 pm:

    Maybe we can trade blood for corn?

  2. 2Bill H on Sep 9, 2014 at 7:38 pm:

    Simple and brilliant, Freaked. We can use the corn to make ethanol. Everybody wins! Well, all except those who depend on corn for sustenance…

  3. 3Peppers on Sep 9, 2014 at 8:51 pm:

    Personally, I enjoy inflicting psychic torture on lefties by frequently mentioning how many innocent, wedding-party-attending brown children Obama is blowing up with Hellfire missiles fired from drones, probably manufactured by a subsidiary of Halliburton or Goldman-Sachs or Koch Industries.

  4. 4Chefinfidel on Sep 10, 2014 at 9:54 am:

    Good to see you again Zombie. You have been missed.

  5. 5JHW on Sep 10, 2014 at 6:22 pm:

    All it takes is a simple google search to see who benefited most from post-Saddam Iraqi oil contracts. China in first place by far, even Russia’s Gazprom and Lukoil benefited. Many easy to find articles, such as this one:

    “The big winners in the oil industry in Iraq are the Chinese, followed by the old Saddam era operators from France and Russia, along with upstarts from Norway and Canada. The US companies are only now beginning to get any pieces of the action, but not in the largest producing areas in the main parts of Iraq, but in the one part of Iraq that clearly can be said to be in better shape now than prior to the US invasion, the semi-autonomous Kurdish region of Iraq that was not on anybody’s radar screen before as a major possible oil producing region.”

    http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2013/03/who-got-iraqs-oil-ten-years-after-war.html

  6. 6Me on Sep 10, 2014 at 11:44 pm:

    You morons do understand we’re not “invading” Iraq right? We’re just conducting a bombing campaign no American troops except maby special forces will be directly engaged.

  7. 7Me on Sep 11, 2014 at 12:02 am:

    Not all cars require petrolium products to operate! There are electrict cars nowadays that run completly on electricty other than the hybrids so I wouldent qwite call it hypocrasy.

  8. 8Arthur Digby Sellers on Sep 11, 2014 at 6:31 pm:

    Hey “me”, according to the liberal lefty set, no boots on ground is cowardly. Just like our soulless drone pilots right? Regarding your second point, these “electrict” cars can’t go very far on a charge, making them almost useless, like an old person’s golf cart down at the Villages. I hope for your sake given your spelling and grammar that you were drunk when you wrote this, CHUMP.

  9. 9Arthur Digby Sellers on Sep 11, 2014 at 6:32 pm:

    And oh by the way, welcome back Zombie. I’ve been continually disappointed not seeing any new work of yours.

  10. 10Me on Sep 12, 2014 at 4:26 am:

    Hey Auther it’s 2014 join us in the 21st cetry will you many of these electrict cars go just as fast as regular cars it’s not the 1990s anymore Chump! That’s beyond the point of course if it is an electrict car it’s NOT runing on fossil fuel thus deafeting Zombie’s point therefore no hyporacy. You also might whan’t to learn how to spell especially if you whan’t to live in the modern era where many people abreviate, use slang, aternative pronunciation,ect. You Cons seem to be suffering from some kind of mass delusion I know I’m spelling correctly becuse I have a spellcheck program on my computer. Maby it has something to due with you’r delusion!

  11. 11Me on Sep 12, 2014 at 4:56 am:

    By the way dumbasses the last war in Iraq WAS for oil it’s been proven time and time again by overwellming evidence like numerous defence depatment papers that explecitly mention that it was about oil. Or the fact that we we started planing on how we where going to take the oil fields devoting all kinds of resources like digital tec and office buildings full of people to figure out what was going to be done about the oil while almost literaly nothing was done trying to figure out what kind of government we’d be building not even a chair was given to the people who’s job it was to actualy rebuild Iraq! What’s that you say they have a democracy now one that it took 10 YEARS to build and who’s functionality has seriously been call’d into questionbut don’t take my word for it just look up how many muesems where looted during and even AFTER the war not even a miniscule attempt was made to secure those against injury butt boy you didn’t have to worry about that there oil! The original name of the invasion of Iraq was Operation Iraqi Liberation or OIL!

  12. 12Me on Sep 12, 2014 at 4:57 am:

    Suck my Weiner!

  13. 13Miguel on Sep 12, 2014 at 2:21 pm:

    ^ “Overwellming” stupidity. It’s hard to believe you actually read judging from your spelling and punctuation. The stupid…. it burns.

  14. 14Scott on Sep 12, 2014 at 6:16 pm:

    Unfortunately, Me is a typical liberal. Drunk, gay and stupid is no way to go through life, boy!

  15. 15Scott on Sep 12, 2014 at 7:08 pm:

    Something you might want to research, Me: where does the “electrict” come from for the “electrict” car? The outlet in the wall is the wrong answer. Check it out. You might be disappointed with reality.

  16. 16Me on Sep 12, 2014 at 10:45 pm:

    Finally Scott I thought I’d never hear from you again. You’r here to tell me I’m wrong. You seem to imply that all electricity comes from fossil fuel power plants. Did you know there are nuclear power plants and windmills and solar energie. Oh yea there’s also hydroelectric dams like the Hoover Dam! I’m sure that combined with every other source of power I just mentiond that should be more than enough power for that electric socket. Plus most of the power plants that due use fossil fuel use coal not oil. You know those black little rocks that I’m sure each one of you recived in you’r stockings around Christmass.

  17. 17Me on Sep 12, 2014 at 10:56 pm:

    Hey Miguel you may want to leve this site before Pappers acuire’s you’r location and tryes to blow you’r ass up with a Hellfire missle. People of this type of political persuasion (Conservative) also right-wingers in general tend to have a negative reaction to people of the Latino racial persuasion as well as Arabs,Blacks, and anyone woh generaly is not White. By the way that is how you spell “Overwellming” you Cons seem to be suffering from some kind of mass spelling delusion and even if you wern’t English evolves over time. Let you read my post and see if you catch what I’m sayin bitch!

  18. 18Me on Sep 12, 2014 at 11:02 pm:

    Suck my wiener!

  19. 19Scott on Sep 13, 2014 at 4:47 am:

    Well, now, Me you managed a semi cogent answer! Actually, I do not imply ALL electricity comes from fossil fuel plants, but, point in fact, MOST of our electricity does come from fossil fuels, so Teslas are not “green”. Neither are hybrids like the Prius. And, other idiot liberals are constantly standing in the way of hydro electric and nuclear power. You are too young to remember, but in the late 70s there was a huge push led by famous rock artists of the time for “no nukes”. That was in the wake of the near melt down at the three mile island plant in PA.

    By the way, ME, electric cars are very much a 20th century phenomenon. In fact, steam cars were the #1 sellers up till 1917, so maybe you should revisit some history and understand how that has affected the 21st century before screaming “suck my wiener”! Electric cars were impractical 100 years ago, and they remain largely so today. Tesla is doing a fantastic job solving the range issues (there is talk of a 500 mile range Model S coming soon) but the cost is still prohibitive, thus gasoline is the most economical and efficient means to propel ourselves about, even with $3-$4 per gallon gasoline. This may change in 10 years, but electric, so far, isn’t the answer.

    Further, the US is now quite self sufficient with gasoline (that is, assuming liberal politicians don’t ruin it with stupid global warming legislation). We have trillions of cubic feet of natural gas too, so we’re fine, as long as the wild-eyed and uninformed environmentalists don’t sue our ability to satisfy our energy needs into oblivion. We don’t need Iraqi oil…didn’t 10 years ago either. Russia and China were the main beneficiaries of the Iraq War oil bounty, not the US. So, as usual, Zombie is right. He points out stupidity, and indeed, any reference to “War for Oil” or “No Blood for Oil” is abject ignorance. And, voting for Obama netted those anti-war crazies nuttin. Obama has set us back to 2001. Sad but true.

  20. 20Kristophr on Sep 14, 2014 at 7:58 am:

    Yesterday, I was putting up yard signs in my front yard for local Republican candidates.

    One of my neighbors started yelling inside his house loud enough for me to hear outside. He wasn’t particularly mad at me, as he knew I was an honest Republican. He was incandescently angry that his candidate, the Lightworker, was trying to start WWIII in the Ukraine, and wished he had a Democrat he could trust enough to vote for.

  21. 21Kristophr on Sep 14, 2014 at 8:03 am:

    Me on Sep 10, 2014 at 11:44 pm:

    You morons do understand we’re not “invading” Iraq right? We’re just conducting a bombing campaign no American troops except maby special forces will be directly engaged.

    Bombing the snot out of ISIS is not really an invasion! It’s a kinetic action! And sending CIA and Academi mercs into Ukraine to tweak the nuclear armed Russians is also not really an invasion!

    And Obama never drones anyone!

    You lightworker is not only a warmonger, Me, but he is also a hopelessly incompetent warmonger.

  22. 22Kristophr on Sep 14, 2014 at 8:06 am:

    Me on Sep 11, 2014 at 12:02 am:

    Not all cars require petrolium products to operate! There are electrict cars nowadays that run completly on electricty other than the hybrids so I wouldent qwite call it hypocrasy.

    Where does that electricity come from, Me?

    Either Coal powered plants, or Gas plants that use fracked natural gas, or Nuclear plants(!), or salmon killing hydroelectric dams.

    I am really amused by your support of Coal-burning electric cars.

  23. 23Kristophr on Sep 14, 2014 at 8:10 am:

    Me on Sep 12, 2014 at 4:57 am:

    Suck my Weiner!

    Classic argument there, sport.

  24. 24Scott on Sep 14, 2014 at 12:43 pm:

    Kristophr, I know exactly what you mean. There is no such thing as a trustworthy Democrat. Republicans are not much better, but they are better, however marginally, and ALWAYS a better choice than the Democrat. It’s sad, really, that just 70 years ago we had a guy like Harry Truman who took responsibility for his actions (the buck stops here) and was more interested in American lives than the enemy (Hiroshima, Nagasaki). Obama and his ilk have turned the Harry Truman model on its head.

    My belief is that people like Me and other non-thinkers vote for slogans (Hope & Change) simply because they actually believe the “progressive movement” is something they can be part of…nevermind the consequences. The media was orgasmic when Obama won in 2008…they aren’t so orgasmic now, but now little or nothing can be done to fix the problems Obama and his administration have caused.

    Stupid arrogance is the hallmark of a modern Democrat. Consequences for their actions will nullify them, but unfortunately, all of us must suffer before those consequences are realized.

  25. 25Kun on Sep 15, 2014 at 5:43 am:

    In 2002-2006 I knew of many Republicans who blindly backed whatever Bush did because he was in office and was a Republican. In 2007-08 this changed somewhat since Bush was on the way out and the Republican candidates all distanced themselves from him in some way. Nowadays many conservatives who compare Bush with Obama on issues like war and torture would have been defending the former on such issues ten years ago.

    It’s the same thing with Democrats: the vast majority defend whatever Obama does out of “party loyalty.” They’ll become more critical of him after 2016. The bigger problem is that conservatives insist Obama is a secret Marxist while he’s going around perpetuating Bush-era policies, let alone trying to safeguard the positions of US imperialism, reiterating the supposed need for America’s “leading role” in the world, etc.

  26. 26Doctor Jeff on Sep 15, 2014 at 1:28 pm:

    Zombie, No posts for quite some time, then just an old bumper sticker rehashing old Iraq War protest themes?
    There are some seriously warped Palestinian sympathizers out there in the bay area keeping ZIM Israeli connected ships from unloading, and total whack job BDS Palestinian protesters out there all of the time with crazed speakers focused to the hilt on the evils of Zionism. Good stuff! Things may be quieter there in the city by the bay, but I cannot believe all of our left wingnuts have gone into hiding. They may not have the big bad George W to rail at anymore, but now they can cry all about the poor treatment Hamas is getting for their “efforts” . Would love to see more classic Zombietime reporting and unique insights documenting all of the left wing whackjobs around the bay area.

  27. 27Scott on Sep 15, 2014 at 2:29 pm:

    Kun, what you state is true, but in the absence of Bush era policy, what was there? Obama era policy. And we see that it has failed. So backing Bush, blindly or with knowledge makes more sense than backing Obama no matter what. We see isolationism doesn’t work…the country was VERY isolationist in the lead up to WWII. We see what happened there. The country was isolationist for much of its history, but the fact remains that the world is a very dangerous place. Doing nothing helps no one, and is likely to get Americans and other people of the world killed.

    I really, really want to see a thinking man (or woman) in office. Not an anti-Bush or anti-Obama. Unfortunately, this is how politicians get the voters’ attention. There is a Dem running now who states clearly in her campaign speech “I am not Obama!” Yeah, well what ARE you? They don’t like to say. Accountability is the nemesis of the modern era politician.

  28. 28Kun on Sep 16, 2014 at 8:16 am:

    Scott, you cite US “isolationism” in the lead up to WWII. It’s worth noting that the US was quite interventionist in its own backyard, as well as a participant in WWI and the Russian Civil War.

    FDR’s foreign policy initially abetted the rise of fascism in Europe. A good example of this was during the Spanish Civil War, where the UK under Chamberlain and the USA hypocritically called for “non-intervention” while allowing British and American persons and companies to assist the Francoists, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany in their assault on the Spanish Republic.

    It is to FDR’s credit that he did eventually end this sort of “isolationism” and recognized the need, as did the UK under Churchill, to work with the USSR in order to defeat fascism in Europe and Asia. But within British and American (and European in general) political circles there was quite a bit of sympathy for Hitler and Mussolini beforehand, including on the part of FDR himself who once referred to the latter as an “admirable Italian gentleman.” When Fascist Italy invaded Ethiopia neither the British or Americans cared to press for sanctions, the latter not because of “isolationism” but because of political sympathy. Breckenridge Long, FDR’s ambassador to Fascist Italy, said that it was important that Mussolini not be overthrown as “the violent manifestation of Bolshevism would be apparent in the industrial centers and in the agricultural regions where private ownership still pertains.”

    There is no fundamental difference between Bush-era policy and Obama-era policy except in the latter having to keep in mind the unpopularity of the former, hence a recourse to airstrikes and other, less “direct” ways of carrying out regime change.

    As for your second comment, I think the whole present-day political system is fundamentally rotten. It doesn’t matter how many “progressive” Democrats come into office, none of them will break with the economic system which is the basis of the rot of the political system, assuming they actually care to do so (I haven’t seen any.) Obviously your politics are very different from mine though. To me “the world is a very dangerous place” because of an economic system which is inherently prone to crises, which necessitates wars to redraw what powers get control over all the resources of the world, and which breeds societal decay, corruption and so on.

  29. 29zombie on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:01 am:

    26 Doctor Jeff
    Zombie, No posts for quite some time, then just an old bumper sticker rehashing old Iraq War protest themes?
    There are some seriously warped Palestinian sympathizers out there….. . Would love to see more classic Zombietime reporting and unique insights documenting all of the left wing whackjobs around the bay area.

    Unfortunately, “real life” (job, family, etc.) has moved to the top of my priority list of late, which has put a serious dent in the time I have available for politico-blogging. I just snapped this picture and made a quickie post to declare that I’m still alive and kicking, and still have one toe in the water of current events.

    I am aware of the various protests that still erupt on occasion in the Bay Area, but it takes something really special to get my attention these days. The communists and jihadists block the unloading of the Israeli “Zim” ships on an annual basis at least, plus whenever there is a flare-up in the Holy Land, so I don’t see those protests as particularly exciting anymore; also, since those port blockages happen in a very awkward and isolated location (as I discovered the one time I went to one of them, years ago), I feel very uncomfortable covering (or attempting to cover) them, as there are no “passersby” at 7am at the Port of Oakland’s gates in an industrial area, so the only “excuse” someone would have for being there is that you were either a protester, an undercover cop, or a media member. Since these particular protests are very small, all the protesters know each other personally, so I can’t really “slip into the crowd,” which would mean that they would all regard me with extreme suspicion as (most likely) some kind of “Zionist agent.” So I tend to stay away from protests like that — small and in isolated locations.

    But not to worry – I may make a comeback when you least expect it!

  30. 30zombie on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:10 am:

    7 Me
    Not all cars require petrolium products to operate! There are electrict cars nowadays that run completly on electricty other than the hybrids so I wouldent qwite call it hypocrasy.

    Uh — do you have eyes?

    The car is a Toyota Echo, as is plainly visible in the photo.

    Echos are not “electrict” cars — they run on petroleum products (i.e. gasoline), like 99.9% of all other cars in the US.

    The existence of electric cars elsewhere in the world does not negate the hypocrisy of the person driving an oil-burning car who simultaneously morally condemns the system which procures that oil for him.

    Besides which, as others have pointed out with facts, the US basically did NOT “get” the oil from Iraq — the contracts mostly went to firms from other countries.

    And also as others have pointed out, “electricticy,” despite your fact-free fantasies, comes mostly from carbon-burning power plants, and not from windmills, solar panels or hydroelectric dams, which all combined make up just a couple percentage points of all power generation in the US. So the energy to power even electric cars comes from that bloody oil.

  31. 31Scott on Sep 16, 2014 at 3:05 pm:

    Hi Kuhn: Thanks for the thoughtful reply, but I was more referring to isolationism as a desire among the American people, more so than FDR policy. Obviously we were supplying the British with materials in the lead up to December 7, 1941, so one could argue we were certainly not isolationist from that standpoint too. But again, we largely tried to stay out of WWII and in fact it raged for 27 months before we were attacked and declared war.

    Doing NOTHING is not a policy, and that is what our current president seems to think makes good policy. But then, it is apparent that we are not doing nothing, just not nearly enough, and now we have an ISIS problem that is growing. Now Obama is throwing bandaids at the situation, and giving us a lot of double speak…we’re conducting kinetic actions, not war…but we’re at war, but not really, wink wink. Don’t do stupid stuff? Everything they do is stupid.

    In the absence of incentive for becoming wealthy, Kuhn, I am curious. Is government immune to corruption and evil? And hasn’t communism proved itself obsolete and unworkable as Karl Marx envisioned? A robust private sector can at least minimize absolute power by corrupt government officials. When the Democrats gleefully passed the Affordable Care Act, they weren’t happy that poor people or those with pre-existing conditions would now have health coverage…they now had the means to withhold life or death from the citizenry to force us to do whatever they wish. It isn’t there yet, but it will be (heck, the ACA forces insurers to fund abortion…there is step one in controlling the population!). Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Note that as our government has grown, so too has societal decay and specific discrimination (primarily economic) against citizens with certain ethnicities and races. “Progressivism” in my opinion is really “Regressivism”, meaning, the current government and its supporters want us to go back to a time of arbitrary authoritarianism (for example the abject hatred the left has of the second amendment, and Harry Reid’s desire to eliminate provisions in the first), top down management of all things (Including and specifically health care) and pretty much suppression of any individual freedom. That sounds like communism to me.

  32. 32Kun on Sep 20, 2014 at 9:29 am:

    Well originally the British and Germans were engaged in a “phony war.” During this period the Chamberlain cabinet still tried to negotiate with the Germans, up until the Nazis began to conquer territory westwards and thus rendered Chamberlain’s position untenable. One good read on the subject is “In Our Time: The Chamberlain-Hitler Collusion” by Clement Leibovitz and Alvin Finkel. As far as the American Government was concerned the conflict between the UK and Nazi Germany was at a stalemate. There was also the fact that a strong “America First” sentiment existed, backed by reactionary public figures like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford who said time and time again that the “real danger” was the Soviets. When the Nazis did attack the USSR you had Senator Harry Truman saying that the USA should stand by and wait for both countries to weaken each other into oblivion, while Senator Robert Taft said that Fascism was a lesser evil as compared to Communism. The Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor was the “casus belli” FDR needed.

    As far as incomes go, both Lenin and Stalin, basing themselves on Marx and Engels, pointed out that inequality of income will continue to exist under socialism. What is removed is the appropriation of the labor of others as the basis of such incomes. Foreign observers noted that in the 1930s some wage differentials were quite large, since the government purposefully encouraged them as a way to increase productivity. In the 1940s there was even the phenomenon of collective farmers becoming millionaires, see: http://cominternist.blogspot.com/2010/06/soviet-millionaires.html

    The USSR went from a backward economy, in which feudalism persisted in a number of areas (not to mention the destructive effects of WWI and the Civil War), to achieving unparalleled growth and being in a position to defeat Hitler by the time 1941 came around. Problems in the Soviet economy initially were based on problems of economic backwardness and also the limits of technology at that time, e.g. to plan an economy in present conditions would be significantly helped by advances in computing and calculations. Following Stalin’s death in 1953 the new leadership pursued a fundamentally different policy from that carried by Lenin and Stalin and which was the root of subsequent economic problems, see for instance: clogic.eserver.org/2010/Ball.pdf

    Marxists don’t adhere to the line that “absolute power corrupts absolutely.” The problem is what class that “power” serves. One of the problems of Soviet society was the initial overall backwardness of the Soviet citizen, who was more often than not illiterate and unaccustomed to then-modern techniques in managing enterprises. This was the case for other countries which aspired towards socialism as well, and was the basis of an extensive reliance on one-man management in the factories and other measures which were intended as temporary up until the working-class could exercise ever more direct control over the economic and state apparatus. A constant theme was the need to draw ever larger numbers of Soviet citizens into these fields, and in fact some of the statistics they supplied on this point were pretty impressive even though such citizens were engaged in formal work like bookkeeping (which was still a big deal to a populace kept aloof from such tasks.) But the distinction between mental and manual labor, between town and country, etc. was not and could not be fully overcome nor significantly shortened (compared to capitalism yes, compared to the need to defend against bureaucracy and so on no) to prevent the rise of a new capitalist class, which undid the socialist system.

    As for a “robust private sector,” Marx pointed out that the natural tendency under capitalism was for private competition to result in the formation of monopolies, and this includes the state giving support to (including “bailing out”) those monopolies since the bourgeois state necessarily serves the interest of the bourgeoisie. I don’t think the history of capitalism in the past 100 years (let alone 200 and 300) has shown it to be either virtuous or totally independent of the need to request state support for its ventures at home and abroad.

    As for Obamacare, leftists denounced it precisely because it was not done in the interest of “the people,” but in favor of insurance companies. It has nothing to do with the public health care which existed in the USSR and other countries. The closest thing in modern times to a leftist in the House of Representatives, Dennis Kucinich, was a vocal critic of Obamacare up until a meeting with Obama had him capitulate.

    As far as the second amendment goes, I can give the example of tiny Albania, where the government encouraged every household to own a gun, trained the populace in military drills, and abolished ranks in the armed forces in order to foster the growth of a people’s army (i.e. the entire country fighting in the event of external invasion.) Albania also abolished taxation. Neither policy threatened the “absolute power” of the state.

  33. 33Scott on Sep 20, 2014 at 12:53 pm:

    You left a bunch of stuff out, there, Kun. Like the rise of “Communist China” since, well, the 1970s, when they could not feed themselves to today. China is awakening because of capitalist policies (the abolishment of collective farming was their start toward the success they have realized today). You may have seen recently the head of Alibaba going public and realizing billions in wealth…of course he could only do that as long as the corrupt “communist” regime allowed it. There are many more people in China who are realizing great wealth, and interestingly a rising middle class precisely because capitalism and the search for wealth has been allowed in the past few decades there. It’s not all peaches and cream, mind you; the Chinese pollute the earth at a rate manifold greater than the rest of the industrialized world does for example. That is because the “communists” are corrupt. This is also why “global warming” legislation for the western world is a joke.

    The Soviets and Germans also signed an agreement to invade Poland in 1939, Kun. You like to leave things out. Fascists and Soviet-style communists (really socialists) are two sides of the same coin. There is a very interesting documentary about the 1930s rise of Communist and Fascist power in the USSR and Germany that parallel Hitler and Stalin’s reigns of terror. Point in fact Mr. Stalin was a far more ruthless and cunning character than Adolph was. He brutalized and slaughtered far more people too. Fidel Castro, Benito Mussilini, Che Guevara…these are pretty horrible people, and no matter how hard we try to cast Henry Ford or Harry Truman as sympathetic characters toward one regime or another, remember that the Obama administration is more or less doing the same today with the Muslim brotherhood, or “moderate” Syrian rebels. They are bad actors, one and all.

    Karl Marx might have pointed out that Capitalist regimes liked to form monopolies, but then assigning government the power to control the population is a monopoly on power, no? This is why our founders’ vision for the United States is so much more progressive…truly radical and revolutionary…than communism ever dreamed of being. Self governance? For the people? Where you and I have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? And I have the right to defend myself and my property from you or the government with a firearm? The Communists are idiots. Communism as envisioned by Marx can never and has never existed on this earth. Communism always manifests itself as a different form of fascism…again, Stalin and Castro are great examples.

    If you are watching Obama and his abuse of executive power, and listen to the rhetoric of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (who seems to think the Koch brothers are springing out of closets and biting the heads off of babies) you are witnessing the unilateralism of a socialist/communist regime. It really it isn’t communist (see my statement above…there is no such thing as Communist Utopia) but it is totalitarian. It’s happening. This is why, assuming you are a true leftist, you should NOT be voting for any Democrat, ever. They don’t care about you, or “the people” or the future of the country. They care about power. THEIR power.

    The interesting thing is that it may not matter what Democrats do in the coming months, particularly if ISIS or some other radical jihadi regime kills thousands of Americans on our soil. Obama and his administration are incompetent enough to get quite a few of us killed.

  34. 34Kun on Sep 21, 2014 at 12:08 am:

    Whatever one thinks of China under Mao, feudalism became a thing of the past under him. The “Great Leap Forward” and the “Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution” were criticized by various persons, including “Stalinists” like Molotov as well as the post-Stalin leadership. Modern-day China is a country of immense inequality, which you say is the result of corruption, but in fact it is the result of the economic situation China is in, with its vast reserves of cheap labor and all that is necessary to keep such labor cheap.

    The Nazis had aimed to invade Poland for quite some time. It was part of their strategy to march eastwards in order to eventually invade the USSR, something Hitler spelled out quite clearly in Mein Kampf. The Soviets knew of the aggressive intentions of Nazi Germany and were forced to enter into an accord with them (the non-aggression pact) due to the fact that neither the UK nor France (which was to an extent browbeaten by the UK) was interested in establishing collective security with the USSR against Nazism. Throughout the early and mid 30s the USSR had focused its efforts on achieving such security, including joining the League of Nations.

    As far as Poland itself goes, the Soviets had offered to defend it in the event of a Nazi attack, but the Polish regime refused. When the Nazis did invade Poland the Polish government collapsed and Hitler’s forces began moving beyond the Curzon line which separated the ethnically Polish areas from the areas taken by the Polish regime as part of a peace treaty with Soviet Russia and which were filled with a majority of Ukrainians, Byelorussians and Jews. The Soviets responded by moving into the eastern portion of that line, where they were welcomed as liberators by said majorities. Churchill said at the time that the Soviets were perfectly justified in doing so, both for security reasons (it kept the Soviet-German border further away from Moscow) and for ethnic reasons. I could cite various sources on this point.

    If you want a more diplomatic/judicial analysis (which notes that the Soviets never agreed to jointly invade Poland and divide it up) see: http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html

    One needs to ask what one means by “brutalized.” The Nazis carried out a policy of genocide against various peoples, which would have included the near-genocide of Slavs if they had somehow won the war against the USSR. Most deaths under Stalin by contrast were due to the profound economic transformations taking place, which resulted in things like the Ukrainian famine of 1932-33 (the last of its type, in a region up until then marked with regular threats and occurrences of famine) which was a combination of suspicion on the part of many peasants, local officials’ desires to play down difficulties and grain shortages to the higher authorities, sabotage on the part of the better-off peasants, and the unfamiliarity of collective farm methods and transition to mechanized agriculture.

    I did not say that Ford and Lindbergh were merely sympathetic to Nazi Germany; they were open admirers who publicized the Nazis and in Ford’s case pushing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories while doing business with them, with his company even suing the Brits in response to the bombing of Ford plants in Nazi-occupied France. Hearst was another influential figure who was on friendly terms with the Nazis. As for who Obama’s allies are at one time or another, it’s nothing new for US Presidents, witness the case of the Reagan Administration working hand-in-glove with Pakistan’s intelligence service to arm the most backward sections of the Afghan Mujahideen, some of which later were instrumental in forming the Taliban.

    Marx, Engels and so on were well aware of the calls for “the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” which the American and French Revolutions ushered in. They also understood that these were slogans which expressed the class interests of an emerging bourgeoisie in its struggles with all that which was hampering the development of capitalism. Marxists point out that there was no such thing as “pure” democracy; what the USA’s founding fathers fought for was indeed progressive for their time, but in the end all their talk about democracy and self-defense in the final analysis meant democracy among factions of the bourgeoisie and the defense of their propertied interests against any threats to them (whether from feudal or colonial rule, or from below such as Shays’ Rebellion.) For American Marxists persons like Thomas Paine and Abraham Lincoln are seen as quite outstanding revolutionaries for their time. Joseph Weydemeyer, one of Marx’s friends, fought in the Union Army during the Civil War and afterwards was one of the leading figures of Marxism in America.

    Here are two detailed American Marxist texts on early US history (from colonial times to the American Revolution and a few years afterwards) which you might have some interest in reading:
    * https://archive.org/download/TheStruggleForAmericanFreedom/The%20Struggle%20for%20American%20Freedom.pdf
    * https://archive.org/download/AmericanCapitalism16071800/American%20Capitalism%201607%201800.pdf

    On the American Civil War and the coverage of it by Marx and Engels see:
    * http://mccaine.org/2010/03/26/marx-engels-and-the-american-civil-war-i/
    * http://mccaine.org/2010/03/27/marx-engels-and-the-american-civil-war-ii/

    I am not a Democrat, I don’t vote Democrat, American Marxists have been equally hostile to both parties except in very specific circumstances (basically only two: the Radical Republicans during the Civil War and the Democrats during most of the FDR Presidency.) Obama is not a Marxist, and the “totalitarian” methods you speak of is him presiding over a decaying political and social system in which he is happily expanding all the “security measures” of his predecessors.

    There is an American Marxist work from 1952 which has been put online and which points out the history of American Marxism and its early predecessors, including the relationship between the Marxists and bourgeois politics in the USA: http://williamzfoster.blogspot.com/

  35. 35Me on Sep 24, 2014 at 8:43 am:

    LICK MY CHOCOLATE STARFISH!

  36. 36Scott on Sep 24, 2014 at 4:00 pm:

    Me, take your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. Daily KOS or Slate will be glad to hear your proclivities.

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  38. 38Kun on Sep 29, 2014 at 12:31 am:

    For some reason my comment is still “awaiting approval.”

  39. 39Scott on Sep 29, 2014 at 8:15 am:

    While you wait, Kun, here is a slice of a Camille Paglia article that sums up my attitude toward Leftism rather well…and from a leftist perspective! “The basic Leftist premise, descending from Marxism, is that all problems in human life stem from an unjust society and that corrections and fine-tunings of that social mechanism will eventually bring utopia. Progressives have unquestioned faith in the perfectibility of mankind.” Well said, and absolutely true. Note that the fine tuning from the leftist always must come from a “superior” force (eg: federal government) and done so through legislation, taxation, or in most cases across the globe, brute force. This is why Democrats command such power today!

    Educated leftists with their heads up their rears vote for these clowns constantly…Obama had no proper or previous experience to be the chief executive in our land, yet leftists projected perfection onto him, and hey, he said Bush’s wars were bad, so he’s our guy!

    It’s a completely mad thought pattern that completely ignores history and the nature of mankind. It also requires selective dismissal of facts in order to be carried through. Thus Leftism/Communism fails, every time.

  40. 40Dq on Sep 29, 2014 at 9:47 am:

    High UC pay hiked further. Material for a future article.
    Hey, there are even a few student protest photos here:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/09/22/university_of_california_chancellor_pay_was_already_excessive_and_then_they.html

  41. 41Me on Sep 29, 2014 at 9:22 pm:

    Hey Scott I didn’t know you lived in Kentucky too what part you live in is it here in Louisville. I hope you plan on following what you preach and not just go out and issue a blind vote for Mitch McConnel.

  42. 42Me on Sep 29, 2014 at 10:04 pm:

    34 Me is not “me” at all that was someone posting under my pseudonym just wanted to let you know that’s not me but, Suck my Weiner!

  43. 43Scott on Sep 30, 2014 at 3:29 pm:

    Dunno why you would suppose I live in Kentucky, Me, but sure, I’d blind vote for McConnell. I’ll be “blind” voting for any Republican in my home state…not because I really like their positions, but rather I know, based on their records across the board, Democrats are idiots, liars, racists and thieves. (Examples: Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Eric Holder, and John Kerry)

    My preference is that all voters displace the incumbents everywhere…throw out the Republicans and replace with Tea Partiers or Libertarians, throw out the Democrats and replace with ANYTHING…a monkey would do…and then two years later throw them out, and so on, until we cleanse the system of the lawyer scum we have embedded in our federal (and in most cases, state) government. That’s just not going to happen, but there is a better than even shot that the Republicans will displace the Dems in the Senate (as majority) this November, which is at least a step in the right direction.

    And, again, take your homosexual fantasies elsewhere, Me. If you don’t have anything constructive to say, then refrain from your irrational outbursts. When you do, you prove that Democrats/liberals are irrational idiots.

  44. 44Me on Oct 1, 2014 at 9:04 pm:

    Democrates/Liberals are not irrational iddiots Republicans/Tea partiers are the idiots allways irrational complaining about how they supposidly hate the government without doing anything to get rid of it increase INDIVIDUAL liberty NOT corporate liberty or do anything to remotly benifecial to all of humanity. Saying they support self governance while or the right of people to decide for themselvs while simaltaniously supporting military attacks and/or war with every other nation on the planet.

  45. 45Me on Oct 1, 2014 at 9:08 pm:

    By the way Zombie they could have replaced the engine of that Echo with something more eviormentaly frendily so not quite hypocritical, dumb ass.

  46. 46Scott on Oct 2, 2014 at 6:03 pm:

    Me, you prove that Democrats/Liberals are idiots each day. And government does have a role to play in a conservative’s world…we’re NOT anarchists. We believe in LIMITED government…a weak federal government with the ability for the states to self determine rights for the people. In our world, Massachusetts, for example, could have its socialized healthcare and incredibly high tax structure. Likewise, Texas could promote the freedoms it does, with is low tax structure and limited services and social programs. Also, Massachusetts would not be able to reach into the federal kitty to bail itself out in our world.

    Corporate liberty is the same as individual liberty. Most corporations are small operations…”mom & pop” as is often said. Mom & Pop cannot do business (or struggle mightily) when there is a crushing tax burden and regulatory environment, like the one being promoted by Obama. Nobody on the left seems to want to acknowledge that liberal policy is why 92+ million Americans are not working right now…and the real unemployment rate is in the double digits. Do large corporations benefit from a looser regulatory environment and lower taxes? Sure. But far more small businesses do too, and that is where the majority of workers are hired.

    BTW, Me, Corporations do more for charity and social causes than government. Government is always a poor delivery system for individual welfare…it is a inefficient means by which to provide food, clothing and shelter to people. Private charity, on the other hand, is far more efficient, and can do more if private citizens could donate more to them. But private citizens cannot because they are giving more and more to the government or lawyers.

    Finally, a Toyota Echo would fetch, on a good day, $3,000-$4,000 in the used car market. It would cost more than that to convert it to a “green car”. You need to give it up, Me. You know so much less than those who post here…go back to the Daily KOS.

  47. 47Me on Oct 4, 2014 at 4:44 pm:

    Ha, donate more to Corporations Scott what kind of drugs are you on and where can I get some! You talk about small corporations as if they are “mom & pop” establishments. Scott “mom & pop” establishments are the ones that are actually owned by “mom & pop”. Corporations are not owned by “mom & pop” there owned by shareholders. The corporation is a seperate entity from those who operate it it’s not like the personal establishments the “family buisness” or “mom & pop” buisness as you say. You know the kind of buisness I’m talking about the kind where if the owner dies and no one inheirits the buisness it closes up shop. Secondly there are people I know who are severly disabled who if it wern’t for government welfare wouldn’t even be able to survive I don’t know of any corporate programs that would care for them you know give them the stuff they need to survive. They have there family to care for them butt even they coulden’t support them if you abolished the government programes. What would you do Scott put them out on a fireing range and use them for target practise. Plus most of the corporate charity I know of isn’t even charity in the original scence considering they whan’t the recipeant to work it’s more about finding them a job than actually careing for them a job they wouldent be able to perform considering there already wholly disabled.

  48. 48Me on Oct 4, 2014 at 4:54 pm:

    Again Scott you might want to suck my weiner! It’s been aged for 14 years to give it that exquisit taste remember it’s not so much about physical pleasure as it is abot domiance. Whose the boss that’s right I’m the boss!

  49. 49Scott on Oct 5, 2014 at 1:05 am:

    14 Years you say? That does sound exquisite I think I really would like to suck yor weiner where in Kentucky do you live? I would love to suck on you’r chocolate weiner! 14 year olds are my favorite I can’t wait to get to work!

  50. 50Me on Oct 5, 2014 at 3:54 am:

    Wow I was not expecting that kind of answer from you Scott! Just to let you know I’m white not black I know most of you Cons suffer from a deminted racism and usually just assume anybody who disagrees with you is black. I wouldn’t let you suck my weiner if you where the last person on Earth. My weiners to good for you Scott and if I did let you suck it. I’d definatly have to wear a condom or some other foarm of protection to protect myself from all the diseases in you’r unwashed gingevitis infected Conservative mouth. Maby you should stop you’r fantasy of sucking my weiner and actually contribute meaningfully to the disgussion like not confussing INDIVIDUALS with CORPORATIONS or bemoaning Obama’s alleged “crushing regulations” without saying what they are,giving examples, or saying what agencies are engaged in these “regulations” and how they affect buisnesses.

  51. 51Me on Oct 5, 2014 at 4:10 am:

    Wow I was not expecting that from you! I’m white not black I know you RWNJ are demented with racism and belive anyone who disagrees with you is black. I would never let you suck my weiner Scott it’s to good for you and I’d probably have to use special protection in addition to a condom to protect myself from the gingivitis and other diseases that infest you’r mouth! Perhaps next time you should contribute something to the conversation not just confuse INDIVIDUALS with CORPORATIONS and whine about how Obama’s allegedly “crushing” buisnesses with regulations without even saying what they are!

  52. 52Me on Oct 5, 2014 at 4:27 am:

    As for you Zombie you peice of sh!t blocking my first response comment then saying that a duplicate had been detected thus making me have to repost a second response just to make me look like some kind of ass and changing the time at when I posted it I posted my response at 7:48 and 8:00 respectivly not 3:54 and 4:00! Kun was right about you living in you’r own little world completly seperate from evrybody elses reality always complaining about “big government” if the government where to find out about what kind of peadophillic freaks like Scott you’r harbouring on this site I’m sure you’d find out about “big government” then.

  53. 53Me on Oct 5, 2014 at 10:44 am:

    You know what let me apologise Scott for calling you a pedophile it was wrong of me people who are attractid to youths or teens such as you are aren’t pedophile’s and I recognize that people call ephebeophiles or anyone who they think might violate the age of consent pedophiles. Truthfully it’s really none of my buisness if you want to suck on a 14 year old. I just come to Zombie’s crapsite becuase I love exploring fantasy worlds where people like you have a completly diffrent concept of what’s real than other people’s consesus reality. By the way Zomie and/or Scott because I highly suspect you two are the same person just trying to make this site look important. I can see why people on you’r page about how we “won” the Iraq war before Scott tried and utturly faild to misrepresent there commet said “I can see why they call this Zombietime” it’s NOT because you’r name is Zombie it’s becuase you’r followers follow you like a bunch of Zombies! P.S. Scott people spend tons of money to cusomize there vehicles all the time sometime most of the time even spending mor than the actual value of the vehicle even buying new engine’s you still have ZERO evidence that that particular “Echo” is not a hybrid or has not been converted into one!

  54. 54Scott on Oct 5, 2014 at 1:44 pm:

    Well there Me, you have absolutely no evidence that I am attracted to men (or boys). I am a man, and you are a boy, Me. Your silly tirades are irritating at best, and inappropriate at all times. Zombie is probably too busy to reply to you bud. I do simply for the entertainment factor; it’s somewhat interesting to see how a liberal thinks, especially one with a huge chip on his shoulder and an inferiority complex.

    As to customization of vehicles, Me, I actually own two, so you best not lecture me on automobiles, stock or modified. Again, as Clint Eastwood said as Dirty Harry, “A Man’s gotta know his limitations”. You apparently don’t know yours, so you’re a boy. Nobody but a dumb liberal would even attempt to modify a Toyota Echo to be electric. Many Toyotas have been modified in various ways, and in fact dozens have been made into electric cars, but GENERALLY speaking, they are modified to race, not plastered with “no blood for oil” bumper stickers. The hot rod/amateur engineering community knows that more idiots like Obama in office equals the end of their hobbies. We tend to be on the conservative side as a group.

    As to Corporate Welfare, bud, check out Obamacare. The largest recipients of corporate welfare from the federal government in history are the insurance carriers. So IF you are anti-corporate welfare, Me, you should be anti-Obamacare, and as such, vote against people like Obama. You did vote, didn’t you boy? Perhaps you aren’t old enough. Whatever, there was also the GM bailout, boy. More Corporate Welfare. Who executed that Corporate welfare? Obama & the Democrats. How about the Banks, boy? Who was on his knees BEGGING Nancy Pelosi for hundreds of Billions to bailout the Banks in 2007-2008? That’s right, Hank Paulson. Look him up, boy. You might learn something about that treasury secretary. Sadly appointed by a Republican, but a liberal turncoat who went to the wicked witch to help his banking buddies out.

    Those are just three examples of Corporate Welfare executed by Democrats (and sadly, some Republicans). In fact, Jimmy Carter, another clueless Democrat, bailed out Chrysler in 1977-1978. The Democrats have a history of promoting Corporate Welfare. BTW, Dodd-Frank, written by two Democrats, did nothing to prevent another mortgage meltdown like we had 6 years ago. Why? They were in bed with Lehman, Citi, Chase, and others. Keep voting for Democrats, boy, and you are voting for Corporate Welfare.

    Give it up, Me. You are out of your league here. You belong elsewhere cross dressing and crying in your beer about being a victim of terrible, mean old Republicans. You are a tool, stamped out of a mold, with no thoughts of your own, my man. It’s sad. I hate to see any American fail to realize his potential, but there you are. Grow up boy. Use the brain that you were given.

  55. 55Me on Oct 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm:

    Cry into my beer really I thought I was a boy Scott? Boys can’t have beer at least not in the backward ass USA! Mainly backwards due to people like you! You can’t even seem to make up you’r mind about wheter I’m a boy or a man. Even after my “Shenangans”. What does it matter anyways even if I can’t vote there are still ways to manipulate the politicol system of a country I have the right to Self-governance don’t I! But I alredy know what you would say figures you’r just anouther “big government” hypocrat.

  56. 56Me on Oct 6, 2014 at 4:11 pm:

    Tell me Scott you seem to be visiting this site every day do you own this site are you monitoring it you post shortly after each of my posts as if you realize that I’ve just posted! I highly suspect that you are Zombie where did you say you lived again California? I don’t have any evidence that you’r attracted to boys not even aferter you asked if you could suck my weiner on this site? You keep asking if I’m a homosexual now you say because I’m a teenager I’m “out of my leauge” tell me Scott are you married have a daughter who’s also a teenager? 13 or 14 mabey dosen’t really matter so long as she’s hot. I’d love to get togeteher sometime and bang her brain’s out then I’ll do you’r wife to! How’s that for gay?

  57. 57Me on Oct 7, 2014 at 2:36 pm:

    By the way Scott I’m with Kun on this one I agree that Obamacare does give corporate welfare out to insurers I’m also glad that you can see that to Scott apperantly you might not be that stupid. You seem to agree on some Liberal stuff ayether way Obamacare is better than nothing you can’t run on take away peoples healthcare!

  58. 58Scott on Oct 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm:

    Me, the more you post, the more inane you become. Why do you think I live in California? What evidence do you have that I’m Zombie? Have you checked Zombie’s other posts? There are many without any comments from “Scott” . There are plenty without commentary from Zombie. Logic and facts are mysterious to you.

    You already admitted being gay, chum. If I had a 14 year old daughter who looked like Kate Upton, you’d be repulsed. I didn’t call you a teenager, but I know you are fairly young as you have admitted to not being around in the 80s, so that puts you at no more than 24. Is math that difficult for you? I did call you a boy, and indeed you are as your posts are misspelled, illogical, irrational, and immature. It’s pretty obvious that you are an immature 20 something.

    Did you not read what I stand for? WEAK federal government. That does not make me another big government hypocrite. You, on the other hand, have cried about how your friends and relatives couldn’t possibly survive without welfare and other government handouts. Does that not make you a big government advocate? And then you cap off with a post that you agree with Kun in that you think Obamacare is corporate welfare…which you seem to be against, but now you are for because of this? “Obamacare is better than nothing you can’t run on taking away people’s healthcare!”

    Illogical, irrational, poorly reasoned, and inane. Obviously you are attempting to manipulate me into throwing a tirade, and I’m sorry Me, it ain’t happening. Once again, I’ll stop encouraging you…go back to the gay club and find some satisfaction with a sugar daddy. You need to stay with Daily KOS.

  59. 59Me on Oct 7, 2014 at 10:13 pm:

    WEAK federal government unless it’s something Cons really love! Like DOMA or a federal law that would ban abortion you are obviously full of shit scott you have no evidence that I’m in my twenties or any of that crap and apperantly like all Americans are EXTREAMLY laking in the cognative ability to think rationaly! Your right I do have no real evidence that you are Zombie I was just making a permissive inferance or a paranoid inferance from you’r frequency here that and you always posting hours after I due that you must be Zombie but mabey I’m wrong. Again from you’r logic I could also be older I only said I wasent around for the 80s and you noted I mispell a few words for all you know I could have woken up from a coma and sufferd brain injury or mabey I’m not human just a computer program just a thought. Trust me I’m 15. Rightard

  60. 60Me on Oct 7, 2014 at 10:14 pm:

    It seems like you’r throwing a tirade already!

  61. 61Me on Oct 7, 2014 at 11:12 pm:

    And another thing if it was so “clear” to you that I was 20 something how come you asked me if I was old enough to vote. It seems to me that you calling my posts Inane and irrational are just an ad homeniem against my posts and an indirect ad hominem against me! Of course you can’t run on taking away peoples health care the previous system allowed discrimination based on having a “pre existing condition” thus making it impossible for some people to even get health care and you want to go back to that. The current system we have now allows for disrimination when buying alcohol discrimination in employment all sorts of discrimination though the government does have alot to do with disrimination against people wanting to buy alcohol the “free market” buy itself does not stop discrimination in fact it actual encourgese it.

  62. 62Me on Oct 10, 2014 at 9:17 pm:

    I sure am glad to have outsmarted Scott calling my posts Inane, Illogical will you while coming up with Inane, Illogical posts himself fool can’t even tell the diffrence between a Corpoation and an Individual or a company ownd by an Individual I have to say whatever programe Zombies got on this crapsite to change people’s post spelling is pretty good. What was that about looovvveeing Freedom of Speech Zombie oh wait I forgot that only applies to the Government and you people (conservatives) don’t belive in that anyway. Personaly I belive Zombie should be ashamed of himself for giving Zombies everywhere a bad name. I never expressly said I was gay like Scott claims you only have to scroll down the thread and read my posts to see obviously Scott is not to smart. That doesen mean being gay is a bad thing Scott should really be ashamed of himself for attempting to bully a gay 15 year old online along with Zombie for imliedly condoning that kind of behaivour on his site instead of trying to intervean or condeming some of the comments like Peppers (could have sworn that said Pappers days ago) celebrating colourd children being blown up as blatently racist. Of course then it really hits me this is just anouther right-wing extremist website like ConsrvativeTreehouse a website with hugely racist and disparaging comments about African-Americans or like WND anouther website targeting African-Americans and there’s one more who’s name escapes me right now I’ll have to put that in the follow up comment thankfully for all American’s overall lack of knowledge it’s good to see there smart enough to see the conection between “Conservatism” and other right-wing ideolagies like Naziism and Faschism. I

  63. 63Me on Oct 10, 2014 at 9:43 pm:

    Stormfront that was the name of the website I was thinking of yes this website just like that sure the Conservatives may not be as anti-semetic or some as racist most like Peppers aparently very racist but yes the racism is still here you can just fell it bubbling underneath the surface of this site. Yes it’s the demonic quality about people like Zombie and Scott and Peppers that keeps me somewhat fasinated in this site. How can they be so prejudicial and bigoted and still belive that they are populist and that the whole of the American people support them? When will they learn it’s not about what a bunch of right-wing political extremists want it’s about what the people want. P.S. Scott and anyone else I won’t be posting till after November 4th at least and yes the American people don’t like Obamacare but they don’t want an outright repeal of it they’d rather have a single payer option and I don’t really see how you got That I don’t like Corporate welfare from any of my last posts of course you guessed right anyway I think I’ll declare myself the winner of this “back-and-forth” “debate” or whatever you want to call this.

  64. 64Kun on Oct 16, 2014 at 6:39 pm:

    My comment is still awaiting approval while another poster talks about penises. Something is abnormal.

  65. 65Kun on Oct 16, 2014 at 6:43 pm:

    I’m going to assume that it wasn’t immediately posted because it had a bunch of URLs in it, so here it is with the URLs removed.
    —————————
    Whatever one thinks of China under Mao, feudalism became a thing of the past under him. The “Great Leap Forward” and the “Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution” were criticized by various persons, including “Stalinists” like Molotov as well as the post-Stalin leadership. Modern-day China is a country of immense inequality, which you say is the result of corruption, but in fact it is the result of the economic situation China is in, with its vast reserves of cheap labor and all that is necessary to keep such labor cheap.

    The Nazis had aimed to invade Poland for quite some time. It was part of their strategy to march eastwards in order to eventually invade the USSR, something Hitler spelled out quite clearly in Mein Kampf. The Soviets knew of the aggressive intentions of Nazi Germany and were forced to enter into an accord with them (the non-aggression pact) due to the fact that neither the UK nor France (which was to an extent browbeaten by the UK) was interested in establishing collective security with the USSR against Nazism. Throughout the early and mid 30s the USSR had focused its efforts on achieving such security, including joining the League of Nations.

    As far as Poland itself goes, the Soviets had offered to defend it in the event of a Nazi attack, but the Polish regime refused. When the Nazis did invade Poland the Polish government collapsed and Hitler’s forces began moving beyond the Curzon line which separated the ethnically Polish areas from the areas taken by the Polish regime as part of a peace treaty with Soviet Russia and which were filled with a majority of Ukrainians, Byelorussians and Jews. The Soviets responded by moving into the eastern portion of that line, where they were welcomed as liberators by said majorities. Churchill said at the time that the Soviets were perfectly justified in doing so, both for security reasons (it kept the Soviet-German border further away from Moscow) and for ethnic reasons. I could cite various sources on this point.

    If you want a more diplomatic/judicial analysis (which notes that the Soviets never agreed to jointly invade Poland and divide it up) see: [google "Did the Soviet Union Invade Poland in September 1939?" by Grover Furr]

    One needs to ask what one means by “brutalized.” The Nazis carried out a policy of genocide against various peoples, which would have included the near-genocide of Slavs if they had somehow won the war against the USSR. Most deaths under Stalin by contrast were due to the profound economic transformations taking place, which resulted in things like the Ukrainian famine of 1932-33 (the last of its type, in a region up until then marked with regular threats and occurrences of famine) which was a combination of suspicion on the part of many peasants, local officials’ desires to play down difficulties and grain shortages to the higher authorities, sabotage on the part of the better-off peasants, and the unfamiliarity of collective farm methods and transition to mechanized agriculture.

    I did not say that Ford and Lindbergh were merely sympathetic to Nazi Germany; they were open admirers who publicized the Nazis and in Ford’s case pushing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories while doing business with them, with his company even suing the Brits in response to the bombing of Ford plants in Nazi-occupied France. Hearst was another influential figure who was on friendly terms with the Nazis. As for who Obama’s allies are at one time or another, it’s nothing new for US Presidents, witness the case of the Reagan Administration working hand-in-glove with Pakistan’s intelligence service to arm the most backward sections of the Afghan Mujahideen, some of which later were instrumental in forming the Taliban.

    Marx, Engels and so on were well aware of the calls for “the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” which the American and French Revolutions ushered in. They also understood that these were slogans which expressed the class interests of an emerging bourgeoisie in its struggles with all that which was hampering the development of capitalism. Marxists point out that there was no such thing as “pure” democracy; what the USA’s founding fathers fought for was indeed progressive for their time, but in the end all their talk about democracy and self-defense in the final analysis meant democracy among factions of the bourgeoisie and the defense of their propertied interests against any threats to them (whether from feudal or colonial rule, or from below such as Shays’ Rebellion.) For American Marxists persons like Thomas Paine and Abraham Lincoln are seen as quite outstanding revolutionaries for their time. Joseph Weydemeyer, one of Marx’s friends, fought in the Union Army during the Civil War and afterwards was one of the leading figures of Marxism in America.

    Here are two detailed American Marxist texts on early US history (from colonial times to the American Revolution and a few years afterwards) which you might have some interest in reading:
    * [google "The Struggle for American Freedom: The First Two Hundred Years" and look at the archive dot org link]
    * [google "American Capitalism: 1607-1800" and again locate the archive dot org link]

    On the American Civil War and the coverage of it by Marx and Engels see: [google "Marx, Engels, and the American Civil War," a two-part article]

    I am not a Democrat, I don’t vote Democrat, American Marxists have been equally hostile to both parties except in very specific circumstances (basically only two: the Radical Republicans during the Civil War and the Democrats during most of the FDR Presidency.) Obama is not a Marxist, and the “totalitarian” methods you speak of is him presiding over a decaying political and social system in which he is happily expanding all the “security measures” of his predecessors.

    There is an American Marxist work from 1952 which has been put online and which points out the history of American Marxism and its early predecessors, including the relationship between the Marxists and bourgeois politics in the USA: [just google search "Foster history communist party USA" and there should be a blogspot site with it]

  66. 66Scott on Oct 17, 2014 at 1:32 pm:

    I think you are getting bogged down in detail, Kun. I don’t think, for example, you can chalk up the starvation of various peoples in the USSR to “becoming familiar with collective farming”. Where it is true that collective farming has failed every time it has been tried, that isn’t why 15 million perished under Stalin’s regime. Look up Mr. Kruschev’s role in the killing. That might help out here. Also compare and contrast with regimes like Kim Jong Un’s. You don’t think people are starving and suffering in North Korea? It is yet another example of a heartless, vicious, totalitarian regime looking to oppress people by making them suffer.

    I am pretty sure I didn’t accuse you of being a Democrat, so no need to be defensive there. However, I believe Democrats today are far more preoccupied with power and control by the federal government than they were, say,30 years ago. Republicans, sadly, have followed suit, and are assigning greater and greater roles to government than a purely conservative would ever dream. This is why I believe there isn’t a politician alive today who would DARE challenge the common wisdom and try to slash the federal government. Notice, for example, how the Tea Party is constantly cast as “crazy” and “fringe”. Not really. They simply want to reduce government to a weak overseer of policy and force it to concentrate on making US citizens safe. As you can see with this Ebola mess, our current bloated government fails to do even that. And the bureaucrats running this behemoth are as incompetent as those who served before them, only more so. Witness our new “Ebola Czar”. Not qualified, not capable, not representative of anything. Just a political scumbag.

    So I think there are commonalities in what we are saying, Kun, but I believe we very much disagree about what the proper course of action is going forward. And it is clear to me that Communism is a failure, both from history and present day perspectives. Trying communism as a system of government would be akin to outlawing computers and all of the advances they’ve brought us, and returning to the good old days of low tech. It won’t work. Why, oh why would we smash our heads against a wall and try failure?

    Bring government down to its original purpose, and we can survive, thrive, and prosper. Allow it to grow and increase in power, and we’re socialist/communist. We’re evolving toward demonstrable failure.

  67. 67Scott on Oct 18, 2014 at 5:51 pm:

    You know what I think I change my mind the Tea Party really is a “fringe” organization I went to one of there rallys and they where talking about violently overthrowing the American government while waving there guns in the air. I realize now that Capitalism dosen’t breed competition and improve service because you can have many diffrent Industries and foarms of buisness all taking in money at the same time. If a store like Krogers for example has bad service people will still shop there because they need to eat and if one group gets pissed off at Krogers say if they decided to ban guns in there store which they have a right to do because there a private company gun owners boycotting Krogers would have virtually no effect. The same with minorities like black people the only thing that really protects them is the federal government through the Civil Rights Act. The same people who own Krogers could own a really great phone company while keeping there crapy Krogers operating from the income from the phone company. Lastly I still think the federal government needs to shrink just look at that crappy “Ebola czar” he can’t do anything right if only he could figure out how to get rid of all the buracracy of those state’s that he has to go through to get quarntine orders because the CDC dosen’t have the constitutional authority to issue them it’s self. Oh well if only Conservatives like myself had a brain.

  68. 68Scott on Oct 19, 2014 at 6:10 am:

    Me, stop trying to pose as others. Your misspelling and lack of sentence structure gives you away. People with brains can spell and construct a sentence. Then there is you. If you really are a teen, make sure to pay attention in English. You are going to be relegated to menial jobs in the future if you cannot construct a sentence or spell.

    I also think you have interest in politics. That’s pretty cool because my children, who are in the same general age bracket as you are, have zero interest in politics. But you are apparently brainwashed. You need to study and learn history and understand WHY America has evolved/devolved (depending on how you look at it) into what it is today. Be a liberal, that’s fine…but be honest with yourself. Liberals/progressives believe that a greater force than themselves needs to control the citizenry. That means “others” are smarter than you are…but the issue for me is that I know those “others” (elected officials and more specifically liberal/progressive officials) are not smarter than I am.

    It’s pretty clear to me that those who wish for greater and greater government control are insecure…deep down they lack faith in their own ability to make a positive mark on our future, no matter how small or trivial. This insecurity leads to a pretty consistent pattern of behavior…at least among those who are not lawyers with political aspirations. They take to blogs and viciously attack and accuse any opposition, name call, and generally demean those who dare have a different opinion. Stevie Colbert and Billy Mahr have made pretty good livings at doing this on television. Spike Lee does it on the big screen with his constant rant about racism. Poor chap is only a millionaire. It’s a pity that I’ve oppressed Spike!

    To me, it just simply gets old when thoughtless drones regurgitate Democrat talking points and rail on about the usual crap…”there aren’t any good manufacturing jobs…we need more and I will create more!” Or “racism in America is alive and well, so I will ensure that under my leadership there will be no more racism!” Or my personal favorite “Global Warming is the most daunting challenge of our time. Under my leadership we will stop global warming and the oceans will rise and the planet will heal!” Democrats say this crap. They also denounce people like George W. Bush who is a far more qualified and dignified man than Obama is…but he was trashed so badly by the progressive community (which, as I’ve mentioned before includes pretty much all major media) that everyone who is marginally informed believes he was stupid and a bad president. Meanwhile we have a bad president in Obama and nobody on the left wants to say anything.

    This is a mild form of totalitarianism, and I’d prefer to be free of that sort of oppression. Tea Party? They have the right idea. They just don’t have the right ideas on how to execute a government takeover. And that takeover may or may not happen in my lifetime. It is more likely to happen in yours, Me. You should decide if what the left says is correct or corrupt. You’ve elected to believe it is correct. I just happen to know it is corrupt.

    Finally, a point about conservatism v Republicanism. A Republican, we call them “establishment Republicans”, is more interested in emulating what Democrats used to say 35+ years ago. A Reagan Democrat is what an establishment Republican is today. I am not a registered Republican and find the direction of the party abhorrent. But, Republicans do represent a better alternative to what the Democrats offer, which is fealty to a failed system of socialist control. It’s been tried in Europe, and failed. Greece, Portugal, Spain…the dominoes are falling. I don’t think it too extremist or “fringe” to wish for a better system of government and life for my children. Conservatism can make our country prosper and free again. The problem is that idiots like you scream “racist!” and “bigot!” and say crap that is founded in conjecture and innuendo, and it becomes fact in the compliant media.

    Me, learn all you can about history. That’s my friendly advice to you. Also learn how to spell. Reading will help you there. Once you do, you will unfold facts and as they say “knowledge is power”. You constantly demonstrate your lack of power when you spew your nonsense on this blog. If you make an effort, I’ll banter with you…but if you keep up with the immature rantings, I’m done pal. I personally don’t believe you have it in you to try to learn anything, which is a damn shame given your age, but maybe you can reform yourself. Give it a try. I dare you.

  69. 69Scott on Oct 30, 2014 at 12:27 pm:

    Stop trying to pose as others. You’re misspelling and lack of sentence structure gives you away. Get a brain, morans.

  70. 70Scott on Oct 30, 2014 at 2:59 pm:

    Sad, sad, sad. “Get a brain, morans.”

    Or Maroons, as you are not eligible to be a moron.

  71. 71Kun on Oct 31, 2014 at 7:44 am:

    On the cause of the Ukrainian famine, I said it “was a combination of suspicion on the part of many peasants, local officials’ desires to play down difficulties and grain shortages to the higher authorities, sabotage on the part of the better-off peasants, and the unfamiliarity of collective farm methods and transition to mechanized agriculture.” There are three sources which discuss the subject: polemical work titled “Fraud, Famine and Fascism” by Douglas Tottle (which can be found online), academic articles by Mark Tauger (which can also be found online), and the most comprehensive account titled “The Years of Hunger” by Davies and Wheatcroft. The latter two sources are by non-communist and in fact Davies and Wheatcroft criticize some of Tauger’s analysis, but all three make for good reading on the subject.

    Soviet and Eastern European societies, even as late as the 1980s, were superior to their Western counterparts in various ways. Even in Romania, where Ceaușescu imposed extensive austerity measures in the 1980s to pay back debts to Western countries, there is a significant amount of nostalgia for the “communist” period under him. It is often forgotten that in 1989-1990 most people in Eastern Europe wanted some utopian “best of both worlds” system where all the social guarantees of the “communist” period were combined with the supposed cornucopia of the market economy. One book that does a good job demonstrating this is Michael Parenti’s “Blackshirts and Reds,” which I can quote a few examples from if you’d like.

    On the economic side of things, you may want to check out two articles which can be found online: “Do Publicly Owned, Planned Economies Work?” by Stephen Gowans and “The Need for Planning” by Joseph Ball.

  72. 72Scott on Oct 31, 2014 at 2:56 pm:

    Kun, you are giving me more excuses. Communism, such that it is, fails. Every time. It never has existed. It manifests itself as fascism. As far as the Eastern Bloc countries waxing nostalgic for the good old days, I think it would be safe to say that is human nature. Most of those folks didn’t know a different way. Note that the American South waxed nostalgic for the days of slavery in the wake of the Civil War. But the Southern farmers did just fine with grain and tobacco production once the industrial revolution took hold. It didn’t require a Centralized government filled with Ivy League bureaucrats to get the American economy roaring in the 1920s. Note that in the post 1989 period in Russia there were thugs and all manner of terrible cartel activities that still exist today. No wonder they wanted “Communism” back! With guys like Vladimir Putin running things, I would too!

    As far as Planning is concerned, the people supporting such activity must have faith in those who would plan. The problem is those who plan, at least in this country, aren’t very bright. The “Affordable are Act” is one very recent and poignant case and point. It is unconstitutional on its face, forcing those with certain religious beliefs to fund the termination of life. And our SCOTUS upheld the law! Stunning. I am not an Ivy League scholar and can plainly see John Roberts was dead wrong in his assessment. Scalia and Thomas carved his opinion up thoroughly in the dissent. Sadly it doesn’t matter. The wrong decision was made and our first amendment rights apparently no longer matter as long as there is something that liberals deem “for the greater good” about to be upheld. Note: our premiums were to go down. They didn’t. They COULDN’T. More people were to be covered, and many didn’t have to pay. It doesn’t take an economist to figure out that the formula “more people with greater needs with lower premiums = cannot work”. We all suffer as a result with less choice, fewer doctors, longer waits, and higher premiums. A classic case of socialist failure.

    Our Constitution is a marvelous document that provides a framework by which the citizenry can seeks its own destiny. Planners all assume they know better and will always seek ways to circumvent documents like the Constitution in order to further their own power and control. The Constitution is why ours is a superior way of life…superior to the top down, authoritarian ways of others, whether Dynasties, Kingdoms, Socialist Dictatorships, so-called “Communists”, or Fascists. Again, my point is, it doesn’t matter if it is labeled “Communist” or something else. It manifests itself as fascism and oppression. I cannot abide by authoritarian rule because the authorities very often do NOT know better. But one thing is certain: history proves that authoritarianism always results in oppression.

  73. 73Kun on Nov 1, 2014 at 10:49 am:

    Fascism is a specific form of capitalism. The capitalist class never went away in Italy, Germany, Japan or any other country which had fascist or semi-fascist regimes. The basis of every fascist regime was anti-communism, since bourgeois democracy in those countries had failed to halt the growth of the workers’ movement.

    Comparing the American South and Eastern Europe doesn’t work for the simple reason that southern textbooks used to portray the reconstruction period as a litany of horrors wherein the vengeful north unleashed the dark hordes on innocent whites, and portrayed the Confederacy as the embodiment of southern manhood. In Eastern Europe communism is demonized at every level, including attempts to link it to fascism via the phrase “totalitarianism.” People as early as 1992-1994 wanted the old system back in modified form.

    The US health system is not an example of socialism. Obamacare promises great incomes for insurance companies. American health care, even if “universal health care” were enacted, would still be fundamentally different from that which existed in the USSR and Eastern Europe.

    You ought to take a look at the 1936 Soviet Constitution (it’s online, you can search for it) and explain any portions of it you find yourself at odds with. Of course you can say that its implementation in practice differed from what was written, but then again you could make the same sort of criticisms of the American Constitution, e.g. the first amendment supposedly defends freedom of speech, press and assembly without actually giving guarantees towards that end. The result is the utmost freedom of the capitalist class to speak through its control of the media and through its ownership of various places of assembly (not to mention its control of culture and education in general), while the ability of workers to actually exercise this freedom is far more limited.

  74. 74Scott on Nov 1, 2014 at 12:22 pm:

    Kun, I think you are really too far gone to believe in the failure of Communism. For instance, how can you rationalize the good intent of a Constitution written three years after the man who ensured it’s implementation oversaw the killing of 25% of all Ukrainians? That’s over 7 million “citizens” of this so-called good place where there was “freedom of religion”, according to the Constitution written in 1936.

    I don’t think reality and your vision of utopia coincide. And I didn’t compare the American South with Eastern Europe; I said the American South waxed nostalgic for slavery after the Civil War. So too did eastern bloc nations after the fall of the communist regime of the USSR.

    You seem to believe that all forms of capitalism are evil. I’ll wager, however, that you live well because you either work for or are a capitalist. That makes you just as evil as a fascist, at least according to what you are telling me. Now, if you wish to toil on my behalf and sacrifice the fruits of your labor to me, for a period of years, I’ll believe you are a good communist. But I’ll guess that you are more inclined to want to be part of the Bourgeoisie, rather than the Proletariat. This is fairly typical of a leftist theorist. By the way, Marx envisioned a classless society. It never has happened…there are always haves and have nots. The question is, can an individual work toward being the former if he’s born into being the latter? In America, you can. In the former Soviet Union, not so much.

    Obamacare is not socialist on its face, but it is control by the State, and is specifically intended to be replaced by single payer healthcare as provided by the State. THAT is socialism. It has already failed elsewhere. This is what I marvel at…so-called brilliant people clamoring toward failure. Why do that? The only sensible answer is because they want to be in control (Bourgeoisie) and oppress the Proletariat.

    Stalin controlled the population through fear, intimidation, and brute force. Can a fearsome regime like his be far behind in our great nation? My answer is, probably not, as long as we keep electing Democrats. They want “Communist” control in the worst way.

  75. 75Kun on Nov 6, 2014 at 10:38 pm:

    I already noted that the Ukrainian famine was unintentional. To give yet another source, “Famine in the USSR: 1929-1934: New Documentary Evidence” and some excerpts:

    ———————
    Excerpt from the protocol number of the meeting of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist party (Bolsheviks) “Regarding Measures to Prevent Failure to Sow in Ukraine. Copy of the Original document. March 16th, 1932. Provided by the Archive of the President of the Russian Federation. Fond 3, Record Series 40, File 80, Page 58.

    The Political Bureau believes that shortage of seed grain in Ukraine is many times worse than what was described in comrade Kosior’s telegram; therefore, the Political Bureau recommends the Central Committee of the Communist party of Ukraine to take all measures within its reach to prevent the threat of failing to sow [field crops] in Ukraine.

    Signed: Secretary of the Central Committee – J. STALIN
    -
    Letter to Joseph Stalin from Stanislaw Kosior, 1st secretary of the Central committee of the Communist party of Ukraine regarding the course and the perspectives of the sowing campaign in Ukraine. Original document. April 26th, 1932.

    There are also isolated cases of starvation, and even whole villages [starving]; however, this is only the result of bungling on the local level, deviations [from the party line], especially in regard of kolkhozes. All rumours about “famine” in Ukraine must be unconditionally rejected. The crucial help that was provided for Ukraine will give us the opportunity to eradicate all such outbreaks [of starvation].
    -
    Letter from Joseph Stalin to Stanislaw Kosior, 1st secretary of the Central committee of the Communist party of Ukraine. Copy. April 26th, 1932.

    Comrade Kosior!

    You must read attached summaries. Judging by this information, it looks like the Soviet authority has ceased to exist in some areas of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Can this be true? Is the situation invillages in Ukraine this bad? Where are the operatives of the OGPU [Joint Main Political Directorate], what are they doing?

    Could you verify this information and inform the Central Committee of
    the All-Union Communist party about taken measures.

    Sincerely, J. Stalin
    -
    Memorandum of Alexeev, secretary of the Vinnitsa provincial committee of the Communist party of Ukraine to Stanislaw Kosior, 1st secretary of the Communist party of Ukraine regarding content of speeches by Semyon Budyenny made during visits to Ukrainian villages. (This copy of the letter was forwarded to Lazar Kaganovich, secretary of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist party in Moscow). Verified copy of the original document. June 27th, 1932.

    […] in his conversations with collective farmers, comrade Budyenny said: “Your predicament is that the authorities do not know that you have no bread, your “Ukrainian” and local leaders are to blame, they over-promised [to the Central authorities] all these ‘self-imposed extensions’ of quotas for grain procurement, and took your grain, and left you without bread”.
    ———————
    As you can see, local authorities were covering up the situation for their own benefit. The Soviet government reacted to it.

    And there was freedom of religion in the USSR: no one was persecuted for believing in a religion, or even for going to church. But that did not mean that the state was neutral towards religion, for the Orthodox Church hierarchy was obviously on very good terms with Tsarism, just as Islamic clerics tended to be on very good terms with local emirs and the like in Central Asia.

    And again, I pointed out the problem with your comparison between Eastern Europe and the Confederacy.

    I am not a capitalist. Those who are forced to work for the bourgeoisie (i.e. capitalists) are known as proletarians (i.e. workers), because they themselves own no means of production. Those that own their own means of production but who either work for themselves or are exceedingly small businesses (e.g. 3-10 workers or so) are known as the petty-bourgeoisie. Each three classes has their own interests and is inclined towards particular positions. I don’t quite get how one can read anything by Marx or Lenin (or Stalin, or… any self-described Marxist) and consider that one who works for a capitalist is “just as evil as a fascist.”

    Marx pointed out that the stateless and classless society will come about through the victory of socialism on a world scale. At no point did he claim that one could build a communist (i.e. stateless/classless) society in, say, a neighborhood or in a single countryside. He criticized what were known as the utopian socialists (such as the Owenites) for having such delusions.

    One needs to define what the “haves and have-nots” are. To give the USSR as an example, Soviet citizens were spared the fear of unemployment, were far more well-read than their Western counterparts, enjoyed a much fuller sense of social security (health care, education, etc.), enjoyed much better labor legislation, and so on. In the context of socialism the “haves” are all of society, who are united by their common endeavors and who labor for society itself, rather than have said labor appropriated and turned into profit for the capitalist.

    You say that Stalin ruled through fear, but even at the height of the Great Purges those who had the most to fear were party bureaucrats, managers at enterprises, and members of the intelligentsia. Ordinary workers and peasants actually saw the purges as a means to go against those within the local sections of the party and within factories who were stifling discussions and adopting a dictatorial attitude towards problems. This is discussed amongst others by J. Arch Getty (in his “Origins of the Great Purges”) and Robert Thurston (in his book “Life and Terror in Stalin’s Russia.”) Neither men have a high opinion of Stalin, but both relied on Soviet archives which were closed off from researchers when the USSR itself was in existence.

    To reduce all the efforts to build industry, collectivize agriculture, carry out revolutionary campaigns in the field of culture (e.g. a widespread campaign to unveil women in the late 20s in Central Asia), and so on to being being cowed into submission by the state is inaccurate at best.

  76. 76Scott on Nov 7, 2014 at 5:19 pm:

    So I have been propagandized and should suspend all that I’ve been taught (and know) to believe the words that Stalin wrote and you copied and pasted into your Zombietime post? You really ARE a propagandist, Kun! You’ve consumed a pretty massive amount of koolaid, my friend.

    BTW, once again the Ukrainians are being invaded by…the Russians. Right now. This is a pretty steadfast history that the Russians/Soviets have had. Again, totalitarian oppression. Again, Socialism has failed time and again. People clamored to come here, to the good old fascist USA, for hundreds of years. Currently, they are escaping many socialist South American countries to come here. Perhaps the Berlin wall strikes a chord, Kun? Wait….nevermind. You’ll no doubt give me a bunch more party line for that brutality.

    There is too much corroborated, independently written historical accounting of Soviet oppression for me to even entertain anything you are saying here Kun. You are just wrong, and apparently brainwashed. BTW, you have no idea what fascism is my friend. My Stepmother, on the other hand, lived it first hand in Paris, France, 1940-1945. SHE has told me what the Germans did. She still bears the scars today as she approaches her 90th birthday. She lived fascism. You simply BELIEVE that capitalism is a “very specific form of fascism”. You have no idea.

    I’d suggest, before they all die off, you find yourself an elderly immigrant from the former Soviet Union who lived under Stalin and his successors. I’ll bet they’ll tell you the real deal, and snort with disgust at your Stalin-loving propaganda. I feel sorry for people like you, Kun. You are so wrapped up in an illusion that is never going to happen, PARTICULARLY that which is labeled communism. Again I refer you to Camille Paglia’s article. This is you: “The basic Leftist premise, descending from Marxism, is that all problems in human life stem from an unjust society and that corrections and fine-tunings of that social mechanism will eventually bring utopia. Progressives have unquestioned faith in the perfectibility of mankind.” You are stamped from that mold.

  77. 77Scott on Nov 7, 2014 at 6:03 pm:

    Not that you’ll do it, Kun, but you can easily learn the truth about Ukrainian famine by checking out Holodomor in your favorite search engine and read up. I’m sure there is some Soviet party line in there somewhere, but this one is pretty good: holodomorct.org. They define the word by simply stating that it was the brutal artificial famine imposed by Stalin’s regime in Soviet Ukraine and primarily ethnically Ukrainian areas in the Northern Caucasus in 1932-1933. By June of 1933, Ukrainians were dying at a rate of 30,000 per day.

    Interestingly, there were Soviet sympathizing Americans, and one American journalist in particular, who reported your comrade’s line to the American people via the New York Times. In fact, FDR wasn’t too worried about Ukrainian famine as one of the earliest things he did during his administration was to execute a trade agreement with the USSR.

    The Soviets didn’t want the information about the famine to slip, and kept it suppressed until after the fall of their empire. It wasn’t until the 1990s that the Ukrainians could even announce the tragedy to the world. I should imagine those who survived the communist’s oppression would take less than kindly your version of their history.

  78. 78Scott on Nov 11, 2014 at 1:34 pm:

    Scott you should really stop the more you post the more inane you become. I “should stop posing as other people” what makes you think that was me? You shoulden’t blame other people just because you’re posts are misspelld. BTW it’s the “Affordable CARE act” NOT the “Affordable are Act” I don’t even see what you where trying to do there. BTW you say that people with disability are waying down the ACA did you know there’s already a single payer system in the U.S. it’s called medicade and most disable people at least the ones who can’t work and are on SSI recieve it. You should look it up sometime it means your assertation that those who cat work are waying down the ACA funDUMentaly fails.

  79. 79Scott on Nov 12, 2014 at 4:33 pm:

    Hey there Me. Did you know the difference between a typo and misspelling? Wait, I already know the answer to that question. No. Because you are not bright enough to figure that out. You are trying to play “gotcha”. I did NOT say people with A disability are WEIGHING down anyone. That’s something you made up.

    Again, learn to spell. Again, stop playing games…you are a child. You need to man up, bud. This isn’t Facebook or something…this is a serious blog for serious people, not daycare.

    And, did you know that Medicaid and Medicare are underfunded and continue to become more underfunded as time rolls along? So why would we as a nation add another government service if the ones we have are in danger of collapsing because they are underfunded? For example, it is widely believed that by the time I reach retirement age, Social Security will be gone. No more money. The number of dependents will outstrip the ability of the workforce to support it with tax money. What would YOU suggest we do to fix that? Raise taxes is the usual solution. How much tax should the average citizen pay, Me? 25% of their income? 50%? 75%? How much is enough, Me? And how about Corporations? How much should they pay, Me? Did you know we (the USA) have the highest Corporate tax rate in the world? What do you think that will do to our economic future, Me? This is the sort of critical thinking that you lack.

    Stop pouting because I’m telling you some harsh reality. Stop being a dumbass and think through some answers. Research your position and support it with facts. You know, if you do, it might benefit you in school.

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  82. 82Kun on Nov 19, 2014 at 3:02 am:

    The present situation between Russia and the Ukraine has nothing to do with the situation in the Ukraine under Stalin. Suffice to say that both the Russian and the Ukrainian governments are vigorously anti-communist, the only essential difference being that the latter is allied to the West whereas the former is hypocritically posing as anti-fascist and a defender of the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine.

    Speaking of the Ukrainian government, it has long since rehabilitated the supposed “patriots” of the Insurgent Army (UPA), which collaborated with the Nazis during the war. The idea that the famine was intentional is not taken seriously by basically all historians on the USSR. Even Robert Conquest, the foremost conservative anti-communist historian on the Stalin era, has said that it wasn’t intentional. I’ve already given sources on the famine and its causes.

    As for quoting Stalin, such quotations are taken from the Soviet archives which began to open up under Glasnost and onwards, they were never meant to be seen publicly, at least not for many decades.

    I am aware of the American journalist you talk about, his name was Walter Duranty. He wasn’t a communist nor even a liberal, but his reports were far more accurate than that coming out of the NYT beforehand. To quote Frederick Schumann, a historian of the USSR back in the day, in his book “Soviet Politics at Home and Abroad,” “The New York Times, not to be outdone, ran such headlines as ‘Russia a Gigantic Bedlam—Maniacs Stalk Raving Through Streets.’ In the same paper, which even then was the most accurate and reliable in the world, Lenin was constantly resigning, dying, fleeing to Berlin or Barcelona, being murdered or arrested by Trotsky, etc., while his régime was perpetually disintegrating, dissolving, collapsing, falling or otherwise passing from the scene.”

    It is true that the Soviet government tried to minimize what went on in the Ukraine. The archives also note that the Soviets hid the fact they appealed to the Red Cross for help in assisting the famine victims. At the time the Soviets viewed the famine as having been carried out primarily by sabotage from the better-off peasants (i.e. kulaks) and those under their influence, and saw no reason to publicize the situation abroad (since at any rate Britain, France and the like were hardly likely to assist in any way.)

    Fascism is, in fact, a specific form of capitalism. The bourgeoisie were not done away with, but in fact strengthened under such a system through close cooperation with the state and the suppression of the workers’ movement. To quote no less a person than Von Mises (speaking in the late 1920s, when praise for Mussolini’s Italy was at a high pitch):

    “Against the weapons of the Bolsheviks, weapons must be used in reprisal, and it would be a mistake to display weakness before murderers. . . . Fascism can triumph today because universal indignation at the infamies committed by the socialists and communists has obtained for it the sympathies of wide circles. . . . It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as something more would be a fatal error.”
    (Ludwig Von Mises. Liberalism: A Socio-Economic Exposition. Kansas City, MO: Sheed Andrews and McMeel. 1978. pp. 49-51.)

    If you replaced “European civilization” with capitalism you’d more or less have the Marxist analysis of fascism.

  83. 83Scott on Nov 19, 2014 at 6:08 pm:

    Well let’s make sure we’re on the same page, Kun. Are you talking about an accidental famine in the 1920s? Because I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about 1932-1933. There is a very good transcript of a speech given by Dr. Robert Conquest, one of the sources you mention. Check it at http://www.ushmm.org. Put “The Terror Famine” into the search bar. Here he says: The famine of 1921 that inevitably followed was another matter; men and women died. It was the result of the requisitions, the faulty agricultural policy of the Lenin government, but it wasn’t actually done on purpose. It was crazy but it hadn’t got the mens rea of merely wishing to kill people. It was simply due to the total ignorance of economics and agrarian matters that marked the Communists. They thought they could get the product and they couldn’t and, of course, although five million died in this famine many millions more were saved by American famine aid, which probably made a difference by another five or six million, saved five or six million lives. By contrast, Holomodor was QUITE on purpose. Dr. Conquest outlines that history, using the 1920s famine to compare and contrast.

    He wouldn’t have called it “The terror famine” if it wasn’t done at the point of a proverbial gun. This supports my main point; Stalin, a so-called Communist, is no different from and in fact in many ways worse than Hitler, Mussolini, etc.

    You should also shelve the Soviet propaganda and pick up Webster’s New World Dictionary for an accurate definition of fascism: A System of Government Characterized by Dictatorship, belligerent nationalism, and racism, militarism, etc. That sounds eerily similar to what Stalin was doing to the Ukrainians in the 1930s! Purging the Kulaks, making sure that “vermin” didn’t get food? Top down dictatorship forcing people to abide by his version of the Communist Manifesto? Did the Ukrainians have choices in the 1930s? Did ANYONE in the Soviet Union?

    In what way does Capitalism create dictatorship? Surely you aren’t going to pull the old “I’m a victim of Big Oil/Big Pharma/Big Food/Big Auto/Big Box Stores” routine here, are you? Geez. If you don’t like WalMart, don’t shop there. On the other hand, don’t like Obamacare? Uhhhh. Oh well. Guess I gotta suck it up. The dictator has imposed his vision on me and Johnny Gruber is pretty happy that dumb little old us are paying more for inferior care. Doesn’t matter, though! He got over on US and got paid BIG!!!! At any rate, note that the United States, fascist US of A, saved millions from starvation in the 1920s. That’s right, mean old Capitalist pig-dog America saved millions of Soviet lives with famine aid. As we’ve done with dozens of other countries across the globe, throughout time.

    In fact, Kun, it was the United States industrialists, including Henry Ford, who worked with FDR to churn out so many tanks, guns, planes, and ships that the superior equipment of the Germans couldn’t possibly keep up. The Soviets were damn near beaten in the winter of 1941. It’s a damn good thing that the Germans weren’t prepared for a Russian winter, and the advantage they had with their tanks was taken away by the bitter cold, the deep snow, and the subsequent thaw/mud. They say that Ford’s Willow Run plant turned out a new bomber every minute or so at the height of production. Can a Communist society do that? How about a fascist one? Nope. We saved the world from fascism BECAUSE of capitalism.

    Choices, Kun. It’s about choices. Are there choices in Communism? No. Are there choices in fascism? Nope. Is there a choice in Capitalism and specifically in a capitalist Democratic Republic? Yes, until a Communist is elected, and he takes those choices away. Then it devolves to…Socialist/Communism. Which is essentially fascism. Same old story of humankind since…well, at least 1,000 years ago.

  84. 84Non-PC Atheist on Nov 20, 2014 at 2:03 pm:

    https://news.yahoo.com/happens-wave-isis-flag-berkeleys-campus-181512428.html

    *Ami Horowitz went to the UC Berkeley campus and waved the Israeli flag and the flag of the terrorist group ISIS.
    *Students said nothing when they saw Horowitz waving the ISIS flag and yelling justifications for the group’s actions.
    *Students were outraged at the sight of the Israeli flag, yelling f**k Israel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCBINSWCiAE&list=UUXIJgqnII2ZOINSWNOGFThA

  85. 85Kun on Dec 2, 2014 at 6:51 pm:

    “Are you talking about an accidental famine in the 1920s?”

    No, I am very obviously talking about the 1932-33 famine which gripped the Ukrainian SSR during that period and also affected other parts of the USSR.

    As for Conquest, as I noted he is one of the standard bourgeois historians on the USSR under Lenin and Stalin. That being said, “In correspondence Dr Conquest has stated that it is not his opinion that ‘Stalin purposely inflicted the 1933 famine. No. What I argue is that with resulting famine imminent, he could have prevented it but put ‘Soviet interest’ other than feeding the starving first-thus consciously abetting it.’” (R.W. Davies & Stephen G. Wheatcroft. The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. 2004. p. 441.)

    Collectivization itself was a massive process which did in fact involve participation on the part of both workers and peasants. Two good reads on this subject by bourgeois historians are “The Best Sons of the Fatherland” by Lynne Viola and “The Socialist Offensive” by R.W. Davies, neither inclined towards Marxism and certainly not inclined towards Stalin.

    What “belligerent nationalism, and racism, militarism, etc.” characterized Soviet society in the 1930s?

    The capitalist state is ruled by the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. This can assume two forms: either an open dictatorship (fascism being the most blatant form) or varying shades of bourgeois “democracy,” which, although guaranteeing some liberties for the working class, does not give it real choice or power. The issue is not between “Big Pharma” and “small pharma” or whatever. Small businesses are known as the petty bourgeoisie, they vacillate politically because they are always at the mercy of the “big” bourgeoisie yet they aren’t workers either. The bourgeois state is obliged to give the petty bourgeoisie all sorts of tax breaks and other means by which they can continue to exist (otherwise they’d be economically ruined and definitely side with working-class forces), just as that same state inaugurates welfare and other policies meant to stave off working-class revolt.

    The Soviet government was able to find famine relief from a great many organizations expressing solidarity with the October Revolution in the USA, UK, France and elsewhere. As for the bourgeois famine relief operations, “Until August 1921, Herbert Hoover’s activities as Food Relief Administrator were directed toward giving direct aid to the White Russian armies and withholding all supplies from the Soviets. Hundreds of thousands starved in Soviet territory. When, finally, Hoover was compelled to bow to American public pressure and send some food to the Soviets, he continued – according to a statement by a Near East Relief official in the New York World in April 1922 – to ‘interfere with the collection of funds for famine-stricken Russia.’” (Sayers and Kahn, The Great Conspiracy: The Secret War Against Soviet Russia, 1946, p. 106.)

    Saying that the USA “saved the world from fascism” is ludicrous. Bourgeois commentators were amazed by the output of Soviet wartime industry whereas before the Nazi rout at Stalingrad many of these same commentators had confidently predicted the “inevitable defeat” of the USSR. One short read on this, which you can find online, is the paper “Why didn’t the Soviet economy collapse in 1942?” Soviet troops took by far the greatest losses in combating the Nazis, something admitted to by American and British officials at the time.

    And this does not change the fact that Henry Ford was awarded a medal by the Nazis, was a vicious anti-Semite and anti-communist, and a member of the America First Committee which was likewise backed by fellow Nazi apologists such as Charles Lindbergh. Of course once the USA did enter the war Ford knew he could make a profitable investment off of its proceedings, but as I already noted his plants were also operative in Nazi-occupied territories.

    In fact it was the Soviets who most thoroughly de-Nazified Eastern Europe, whereas as has been recently acknowledged the West took up the support of all sorts of “former” Nazis in the battle against Communism.

  86. 86Scott on Dec 5, 2014 at 2:50 pm:

    OK Kun, I’m growing tired of this argument, your Soviet propaganda and your sources, who seem obsessed about grain production output during the period in question. There are capable individuals who dispute Mr. Davies and Mr. Wheatcroft’s analysis. Here is the bottom line:

    But the history of the Holdomor is still contested. Census data and Soviet records have been analyzed since the initial look at the situation in the 1980′s, and still no conclusion is accepted by all sides. Records are inconsistent and the number of people who died as a result of the famine varies between historians, ranging from 3 million to 14 million dead. Causes of the starvation are debated, and the nature of the Famine as a weapon of Stalin’s regime against the Ukrainians is central to the debate. Many parties in modern Ukraine want to define the Holodomor as an act of genocide, while Russia today opposes that point of view, as do many modern historians.

    Based on Soviet actions that are well documented and corroborated beyond that of communist sympathizing academics, I choose to believe that the famine was caused by Totalitarian oppression. Given that people in North Korea, China, Vietnam, and Cuba (among others) have suffered throughout the 20th and into the 21st centuries, my conclusion is that collective farming, enforced by the point of a gun or not, is a failure, as is communism, which I’ve pointed out multiple times IS A UNMITIGATED FAILURE. It has NEVER existed as a system of government on this earth. Ever. Period. No academic is going to try to back justify a position that demonstrates the pure implementation of Communism…it ALWAYS manifests as fascism/totalitarianism.

    As to the history of WWII, we really wouldn’t know if the world would have successfully fended off fascism had the United States not been involved, but one thing is certain….Japan would have targeted another entity in its effort for world domination, and it would have likely been the USSR. I’m wagering that the fascists would have won without US intervention, and thus you would be an SS officer instead of a “communist” today.

    To simplify this even more, if this place is so bad, Kun, why don’t you move to Cuba? North Korea? Vietnam? I’ll tell you why. Because, like the people in Zombie’s next essay, and most of his essays, you are a hypocrite. You love all of the luxuries afforded you in this capitalist society (including a lovely education system from which you seem to have benefitted) but you want to sit and throw darts at our history, selectively pointing out any flaws, real or imagined, and backed up with “history” as told by communist sympathizing academics. Sorry, my man, my dad was GI Joe fighting the Japanese in New Guinea. My Stepmother, as mentioned before, lived fascism in Paris. Their life experiences are REAL history. You know nothing but what you choose to believe from those who wish to make you into a revolutionary. It’s crap.

  87. 87Scott on Dec 6, 2014 at 9:41 am:

    Something else that you should check out, Kun:

    Aircraft production WWII:

    British: 177,025
    USA: 324,000
    USSR: 136,223
    German: 133,387

    Tank Production WWII:

    British: 47,862
    USA: 102,410
    USSR: 106,025
    German: 67,429

    Ship Production WWII:

    British:

  88. 88Scott on Dec 6, 2014 at 9:45 am:

    Oops…try that again:

    Ship Production WWII:

    British: 6,771
    USA: 890
    USSR: Under 100

    So clearly, the capitalists outproduced the communists. Not only that, but if you look at the USA v USSR in tank production, most of the 106,000 soviet tanks were the POS T-34s, which were garbage tanks that took HUGE losses when confronting the Germans. Even the early Sherman was every bit the equal to the T 34, and had a better gun. Give it up Kun. The communists were/are losers. Get with the program.

  89. 89Kun on May 1, 2015 at 4:19 am:

    It has been a few months, I had forgotten about this discussion, but just to reply:

    To begin with your last posts first, production of aircraft, tanks, etc. in the UK and especially USA presumably had an advantage the USSR didn’t enjoy: the Nazis didn’t occupy huge swathes of British or American territory, nor were those two countries obliged to take entire factories apart so that they could be reassembled in portions of their countries not occupied by the enemy. The Soviets still ended up inflicting by far the most amount of casualties on the Nazis, bore the brunt of their offensive, and were still in a position to march westwards into Berlin. I could talk about wartime production numbers, but to me the more significant facts are that the Soviets defeated the Nazis despite all sorts of Western “analysts” predicting their doom at the hands of Hitler, and the fact that the Soviet people arose in unity against the Nazis precisely because, as the anti-communist hero Victor Kravchenko pointed out, they saw that what they themselves built in the 1920s and 30s was their own, and wanted no return to Tsarism or something even worse (as Nazi occupation and extermination would obviously be.)

    As for your longer post…

    The USSR was not a fascist state, nor is “totalitarian” a satisfactory way of analyzing governments. I already noted that the capitalists knew very well who were the true fascists, and many statesmen and businessmen welcomed the rise of fascism as a counterweight against the communists. To once again quote Mises: “The fact that the capitalists and entrepreneurs, faced with the alternative of Communism or Nazism, chose the latter, does not require any further explanation. They preferred to live as shop managers under Hitler than to be ‘liquidated’ as ‘bourgeois’ by Stalin.” Hitler in power repeatedly stated his wish to defend private property. The Soviets effectively abolished said type of property.

    The USA and UK both played important roles in the wartime anti-fascist coalition, no one denies this. But what’s important is that the USSR not only played the main role in said coalition, but throughout the 1920s and 30s it was the only country which consistently opposed the fascists. While FDR was allowing American businesses to export to Franco’s Nazi- and Fascist-backed troops, while the British cabinet decided not to stand up to Hitler remilitarizing the Rhineland lest Hitler’s prestige among Germans shatter and the possibility of a communist revolt occur, while Poland discussed with the Third Reich the possibility of working with it to annex the Ukraine, etc., etc., the Soviets were calling for collective security in Europe, rendering assistance to the Spanish Republic, and so on and so forth.

    “To simplify this even more, if this place is so bad, Kun, why don’t you move to Cuba? North Korea? Vietnam?”

    Because I am an American. There were many Americans who emigrated abroad to the USSR and elsewhere, but they usually did this because they faced repression at home (or, during the 1930s, economic depression.) I don’t see why I have to go a country with an entirely different culture and where I will have no contact with friends and family. There’s also the fact that I doubt Cuba, the DPRK or Vietnam would love to let random Americans in just because they profess an ideological sympathy of some sort.

    “Sorry, my man, my dad was GI Joe fighting the Japanese in New Guinea.”

    So was Robert G. Thompson, who was later persecuted for his communist views. Hundreds (if not thousands) of communists and leftists served in the war.

  90. 90Scott on May 3, 2015 at 3:36 pm:

    I admire your tenacity, Kun. But you are still wrong. The USA entered WWII in the second week of December, 1941. The Soviets were engaged more than 2 years prior. We still beat their production. Now, it is true that the Nazis didn’t occupy our land, but Hitler did have plans on the table to invade the east coast. The Japanese, as you know, were interested in the western side of the US. We were fighting two fronts. The Soviets were just fighting one. It was their harsh winters, for which the Germans were unprepared, that saved them.

    Perhaps in your view, totalitarianism isn’t fascist. I respectfully disagree, and have already supported my argument with the 15 million deaths under Stalin. We are moving toward totalitarianism in the USA, right now, as a matter of fact. Note the issues and “resolution” in Baltimore, where the state’s attorney felt it necessary to charge the police officers involved with the Freddie Gray matter with murder. Why? Because a leftist mob, screaming about what they are entitled to (from the state) wouldn’t allow any other resolution. Facts be damned. We’re not really sure what happened to Freddie Gray (other than his spine being 80% severed), but the mob wanted one, and only one resolution. They got indictments. If there isn’t a conviction, there will be more rioting. That is fascism, coupled with leftist stupidity. You see, Kun, leftism is absolutely totalitarianism, and those with opposing views need not be heard, and soon enough will be hunted down and eliminated.

    There were “John Doe” home invasions in Wisconsin in the third and fourth quarters of 2013, for example, where an extremely partisan Democrat used the police to oppress those with opposing views (Republican/conservative) by barging into their homes and confiscating their computers, in an attempt to ferret out those who dared contribute to or support Scott Walker. See, District Attorney Chisholm used the law to serve his political purposes, and indeed violated the rights of ordinary, law abiding citizens in order to intimidate. He is a leftist. And leftists make no secret of their hatred…they openly say “I hate Republicans”. It won’t be long before Republicans (and really, that term is inaccurate, as the modern leftist movement in this country has pulled Republicans leftward such that they are center/left as compared with what they were in Reagan’s time) and conservatives are rounded up and imprisoned.

    That is, if we don’t fight back. Note that gun and ammunition sales under Obama have reached record amounts. Also note that the government, and in particular Departments with no business being armed to the teeth, have been stockpiling ammunition and armament. This is quite disconcerting, and likely the genesis of a totalitarian take over of our country. I don’t have a plausible alternative explanation, particularly in light of Obama’s 2008 proclamation that he wanted a “civilian force as heavily armed as the US military”. Well, it looks like he’s been working toward that aim. What civilians will be heavily armed under Obama, Kun? Conservatives? Or Liberals?

    Your statement about not moving to another Communist country is a cop out. Typical leftist nonsense. You are not an American, Kun, you are a malcontent. Lazy. Both intellectually and physically. It’s easier for you to support stupidity like Bernie Sanders or Lizzy Warren. Here is my suggestion to you: live Communism. Then you won’t be a lazy leftist.

    Finally, your last statement is irrelevant. My point was that I learned history from people who lived it. You learned it second hand from Soviet sympathizers who likely didn’t live it either. It’s still crap.