Victory in Iraq

 
 

On this November 22, 2008, join us in observing Victory in Iraq Day.

Let us honor the sacrifice, dedication and sheer determination of American, coalition and Iraqi troops who have brought freedom to the nation and people of Iraq.

Although our governments have chosen to not name any official day marking the end of this war, we the people have taken it upon ourselves to commemorate November 22, 2008 as the day of victory over the forces of tyranny, oppression and terror in Iraq.

Join fellow bloggers and other members of the public in this virtual ticker-tape parade for our brave troops, to celebrate their success, to remember the fallen, and to declare, in the words of President John F. Kennedy (RIP):

“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”

You may comment on VI Day here.

404 Responses to “Victory in Iraq”

  1. 1debutaunt on Nov 22, 2008 at 11:43 am:

    Zombie, thank you for the effort put into this wonderful project. Happy VI Day!

  2. 2pre-Boomer Marine brat on Nov 22, 2008 at 11:44 am:

    Zombie … THANKS!

  3. 3Miles on Nov 22, 2008 at 12:00 pm:

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED… Finally! Hopefully, the outgoing Administration will arrange or at least sanction some official gesture of recognition in short order, and we can re-congregate in even greater numbers on or around next 11/22 for the 1st Anniversary.

    Thanks for your work here, Zombie.

  4. 4LoFlyer on Nov 22, 2008 at 12:13 pm:

    Thanks mate! And thanks to our boy and girls who have done so much, who took casualties to avoid killing civilians. You have fought in an urban environment with integrity, bravery and honor. We salute you!

  5. 5Jeff on Nov 22, 2008 at 12:14 pm:

    Amen Brother! Bush really needs to get on board with this, as the facts are facts, just random acts of violence exist now……..and I put your banner on our RightSideNews.com website.

  6. 6Stix on Nov 22, 2008 at 12:47 pm:

    I have posted my VI Day post and tanks for all you do. Great post.
    http://stixblog.com/2008/11/victory-in-iraq-day/

  7. 7Cal on Nov 22, 2008 at 12:47 pm:

    Why NOT? We have achieved so many successes…and the Obama presidency is a perfect time to transition the nation and the press from thinking Iraq is a failure to Iraq is a victory! Good job in getting everyone on board!

  8. 8zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 12:58 pm:

    #5 Jeff and #6 Stix:

    I have now added you both to the list of participating blogs. Thanks!

  9. 9Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:10 pm:

    Very nice, and well thought out.
    I will declare nov.22,2008 victory in Iraq, if not for anything but for everthing holding the govt. of Iraq holding back from doing so.
    They can move forward or…….
    I hope these men and women did not die in vain.

  10. 10Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:13 pm:

    Here’s some video of the Iraqi people celebrating VI day:

    http://greatscat.com/2008/11/iraqi-protesters-hang-bush-effigy.html

  11. 11shfelby on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:28 pm:

    Thanks for all you do. I too have posted V.I. Day
    http://blog-ust.blogspot.com/2008/11/112208-vi-day.html

  12. 12Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:29 pm:

    i am so proud of the troops and the ones who stood behind to fight the congress who wanted to sell them out. Democrats are disgraceful. i was one who fought to keep the funding going. I am glad President Bush stayed and fought to keep it going so the troops could have victory in iraq. I will never call the new man president because he has not earned it. Mr Obama would of decalred defeat if he had his way. I glad to be one of many americans who stood by the mission.

  13. 13Erin on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:32 pm:

    I am proud to declare nov 22 victory day. I want to say a job well done. You have earned this day and maybe sometime you will get the victory parades you deserved. The left tried to help in losing this war. They are disgusting. I am proud President Bush stood with the military families and troops who wanted victory instead of defeat. He didn;t care about politics like the democrats did. YOu deserve our thanks and respect. I am proud of all them who stood with the troops to help iraqs and win our mission.

  14. 14. on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:40 pm:

    Zom, I’m a little late for the parade but happy to join in. I have posted about the event at:
    http://steadyhabits.blogspot.com/2008/11/november-22-2008-victory-in-iraq-day.html

  15. 15Rodi on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:41 pm:

    Our weekly Pro Troops rally was pretty normal, but we did have the VID (Victory in Iraq Day) signs…It was kinda fun to see the “peace” protestors read the signs… They kinda get all bent out of shape. To them, only they have the 1st Amendment rights! It was great to be a part of this event…Zombie thanks for being such a good organizer!

  16. 16zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:50 pm:

    #10 Anonymous

    “Here’s some video of the Iraqi people celebrating VI day:
    http://greatscat.com/2008/11/iraqi-protesters-hang-bush-effigy.html

    Thank you for unintentionally proving my point! Notice something about those protesters? THEY’RE PROTESTING PEACEFULLY, just as in every democracy, including the US.

    Two years ago, those people shown protesting would in fact be shooting guns at Iraqi police and bombing children in marketplaces. But today, since Iraq is at peace, they simply protest nonviolently.

    Great comment!

  17. 17zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:57 pm:

    #11 shfelby
    and
    # 14 .

    I have now added you both to the list of participating blogs. Thanks!

  18. 18Chaya on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:57 pm:

    While I certainly support the troops in Iraq, I wonder how ‘victory’ can be claimed while there are minorities in Iraq who are being faced with the terrible choice: either convert to Islam or die (or leave the country). What is being done to protect these people????

    http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/117257922368.htm

  19. 19zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 1:58 pm:

    #15 Rodi

    You’re welcome. If I can find the free time (I’m totally overwhelmed by 100 emails/hour pouring in), I’ll try to add a photo section of real-world VI Day events — including yours! Maybe tomorrow?

  20. 20zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 2:02 pm:

    #18 Chaya:

    No country is perfect — especially in the Middle East. There is terrible discrimination in almost every Muslim nation.

    We can’t fix every single problem in the world as a prerequisite for declaring victory. When we declared victory in WWII, Japan and Germany, as well as much of Europe and Asia, were in ruins, with unbelievable numbers of insurmountable problems. Yet we didn’t feel the need to totally rebuild Asia and Europe before we said that we had won.

    This war is over. The rebuilding, and the betterment of Iraqi society, of course has a long way to go.

  21. 21Tim Sumner on Nov 22, 2008 at 2:05 pm:

    Four years ago, 262 9/11 family members signed our ‘Open letter to the American people’ in continuing support of the mission in Iraq. Then and now, we remind the hindsight critics of the invasion that we have seen a threat left unchecked materialize in the deaths of our loved ones:

    August 26, 2004: We speak to you now in the same spirit that you spoke to us then, as Americans, united on behalf of our country. Like many of you, we feel that our nation is poised at a critical moment in history. Like our parents and grandparents before us, we know that the choices we make today will affect our children tomorrow. But we face a new challenge, a new kind of war and an enemy who is different from the enemies faced by earlier generations. This is not an adversary who can be reasoned with or appeased, this is an adversary who has repeatedly demonstrated that its means and ends are one and the same: the wanton slaughter of innocents.

    Today, we remember and honor our magnificent troops – the fallen, wounded, injured, veterans, those still in the fight, and their families. While no bands play, parades march, or confetti falls, the flags fly on our homes and in our hearts for them all.

  22. 22Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 2:09 pm:

    This is completely retarded! The war isn’t over!

  23. 23zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 2:11 pm:

    #22 Anonymous
    This is completely retarded! The war isn’t over!

    Wow, what a devastating rebuttal! I’ve never seen so many well-reasoned facts and arguments squeezed into such a short comment!

  24. 24mama winger on Nov 22, 2008 at 2:15 pm:

    Thank you so much zombie for calling attention to the good work our soldiers have done in Iraq.

    When my son came back from his first tour, to tell you the truth he was a bit discouraged. He didn’t see how we were going to be able to pull this off. This was right before the Surge. My, how things have changed.

    Now he is going back in January and it looks like it will be a much improved situation. His old mom here won’t have to be so worried this time around. :)

    God bless our men and women in uniform. Never forget the ones who did not make it home.

  25. 25Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 3:26 pm:

    God Bless our brave men and women for doing such a fantastic job in Iraq.
    I am the proud mother of a US Marine who fought in Ramadi.
    SEMPER FI ,to those young Marines .

    I hope the new adminystration isnt going to mess up a job well done.

    HAPPY VI Day ,to all of you . God bless our troops and God bless America.!

  26. 26Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 3:45 pm:

    God bless you for this call.

    To the Soldiers That Make This Freedom Available to All: THANK YOU!

  27. 27Consul-At-Arms on Nov 22, 2008 at 3:49 pm:

    Happy VI Day.

    Here’s to us, and those like us.

    I’ve linked back to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2008/11/victory-in-iraq-day.html

  28. 28liberty4usa on Nov 22, 2008 at 4:06 pm:

    Freedom is not free and must always be defended.

    Our own media has attempted to shape the battlefield and sway public opinion in a very disgraceful and deceitful way.

    The brave and honorable troops and their families making all the sacrifices deserve much better.

    We are tired of listening to all the ill informed misfits spout off without a clue to what really is needed to protect freedom, and the troops that fought and won this war were doing so for all of us including the misinformed!

    I am highly disappointed in a few of the better known alternate media sources of information afraid to join this effort today, though I understand they they need to protect their reputations. However this silence is never healthy for our country and has led to unanswered absurdity on the part of the so called “real media”.
    I challenge them to risk ridicule and to show the same fortitude our troops show!

    I see this day as an important protest against this MSM media that has really betrayed every American by manipulating the truth about why we fought this war, who were it supporters and why it was absolutely the right action needed at the right time.

    I cannot and would not presume to speak for any of the victims of 9-11 or for any that have paid the ultimate price in the Long War, but I know some family members of some of them, not only are they having to face the loss of their loved one(s) but they are forced to listen to a lying media and a lot of ungrateful and ignorant people.

    That is why this effort here today is so very important to our country! The people are speaking and if those whom should be covering our backs won’t do it we will. We are the real Americans that always have and always will rise to the occasion and who’s children are the true hope for our future!

    Thank you Zombie for your true American guts and spirit and thank you to all that are participating in a recognition long overdue!

    Happy Victory in Iraq Day!

    God Bless America!

  29. 29Tom N on Nov 22, 2008 at 4:24 pm:

    Our military is the best. They took what appeared to be a non win – able war and have now won it. Also thanks to President Bush for allowing us to win. I served in Vietnam and know how it feels to lose a war even though we never lost a major battle.

    CNN & the Times felt it was more important to make fun of Sarah Palin at a turkey farm. By the way who would you want as president facing off against the terrorists, Russia, China, North Korea, and others, Sarah Palin or some liberal who can’t stand seeing turkeys prepared for dinner.

  30. 30zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 5:16 pm:

    #27 Consul-At-Arms:

    I’ve now added you to the list!

  31. 31spazdor on Nov 22, 2008 at 5:19 pm:

    Could this be more of a face-saving measure? Could it be that the people who backed the war see ever-diminishing chances to save face, since under the new presidency they probably won’t have a chance to press on toward “victory”?

    Before taking our ball and going home, we might as well declare ourselves the victors, right?

  32. 32zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 5:24 pm:

    #31 spazdor:

    No, you idiot, read the damn essay:

    http://www.zombietime.com/vi_day/

    If you can develop a substantive point of rebuttal, tell us about it. Otherwise, take your Leftist narrative and cram it where the sun don’t shine, because we’ve long ago wised up.

  33. 33Brian on Nov 22, 2008 at 5:34 pm:

    Is this a joke?

  34. 34zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 5:44 pm:

    #33 Brian
    Is this a joke?

    No, it’s your wake up call to escape from the leftist echo chamber.

  35. 35Mon on Nov 22, 2008 at 5:44 pm:

    CONGRATS ON IRAQ VICTORY DAY!

    GOD BLESS all who serve.

    Remember you scared the poop out of Khadafi and he disarmed after he was what happed to Sadam. Your dedication to country and honor is not taken for granted. THANK YOU for you sacrifices.

  36. 36Skye on Nov 22, 2008 at 5:51 pm:

    Just posted my tribute to our victory in Iraq over at MidnightBlue and Flopping Aces

    http://www.midnightbluesays.com/2008/11/victory-in-iraq-day.html

  37. 37Skye on Nov 22, 2008 at 5:52 pm:

    Zom,

    You rock!

    Skye

  38. 38Brian on Nov 22, 2008 at 6:01 pm:

    Uh, I just got back there, and it’s definitely not over

  39. 39GoodbyeKnowNothings on Nov 22, 2008 at 6:08 pm:

    Yay! Let’s look at the VI Day scoreboard:

    US Dead: Over 4,000
    US Wounded: Over 30,000 (that’s the official number so you know it’s true!)

    Insurgents Killed: Who cares, they don’t love Jesus!
    Iraqi Civilians Killed: See above. Okay, that’s mean. Let’s just say several hundred thousand. Can you smell the freedom? It smells a little bit like decomposing children. No problem though, everyone knows you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. Plus, let’s face it — they’re brown people.

    This war was started under false pretenses. All of your cheerleading won’t change that.

    And how much did this sad, misadventure cost the United States taxpayer? So far, a cool $600 BILLION. Thank God our economy is so strong!

    So enjoy your little online ticker-tape parade, dead-enders. The rest of us will be celebrating on January 20th, 2009.

    Bless your hearts.

  40. 40Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 6:09 pm:

    Great, now I can sleep much better knowing we killed Osama Bin Laden and finally stopped anti-U.S. terrorism in the Middle East. Oh, wait a minute…

  41. 41Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 pm:

    God Bless our troops who unlike many representatives of the government including Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi didn’t stand by and let defeat happen. Stood strong in the darkest hours of the fight when it looked like all might be lost. Our troops, despite much sacrifice to themselves and their families have struck a blow to the heart of terrorism, tyranny and held up the torch of freedom. Let us not forget the 4,200 brave men and women who didn’t come home from the fight. Who gave all so that the rest of us can remain free, and so that the people of Iraq can possess the precious commodity of freedom which they have never tasted before. God Bless you all on Victory in Iraq day! Yours to savour, cherish and wear with honour.

    JS, Livonia MI

  42. 42zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 6:29 pm:

    #39GoodbyeKnowNothings:

    Every single one of your fraudulent rationalizations has already been addressed and debunked in the essay.

    Nice try. Actually, pretty pathetic, really.

    Just more anti-American spin, spinspinspin, it never ends.

  43. 43baldilocks on Nov 22, 2008 at 6:37 pm:

    Thank you, Zombie.

  44. 44zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 6:41 pm:

    #40 Anonymous:

    Damn, that was weak. Can’t you come up with some trolling that’s actually relevant?

    It’s amazing to me how repetitive the brainwashed liberals are, repeating the exact same idiotic shopworn anti-American memes over and over and over without the slightest awareness that no one cares about their narrative any more.

  45. 45Kaptain Amerika on Nov 22, 2008 at 6:46 pm:

    I support the War in Iraq and think that the greatest gift a man can give to society is, the liberation of other human beings…

  46. 46zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 6:50 pm:

    #36 Skye:

    Thanks — just added both your links to the “Blogroll of Honor.”

  47. 47Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 8:07 pm:

    Say it loud. Say it clear. We won.

  48. 48Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 8:08 pm:

    Congratulations to the brave men and women of the U.S. armed forces, they’ve done their country proud and those who gave their lives will not be forgotten.
    I’d like to believe we’ve spread Democracy to Iraq but only time will tell. If only we hadn’t lost the goodwill of the rest of the world and the righteousness America used to stand for in accomplishing this goal. And if only we hadn’t tortured and lied and bullied our way to “victory”.
    I’m no pacifist, war can be necessary, but when we will realize that the “War on Terror” will never be won with guns and bombs and waterboarding? When will we realize that we have a long way to go to eliminating Islamic terrorism and it starts by understanding who the enemy really is and how they think. You can kill people but you can’t kill ideas.

    And please don’t call me anti-American, I love this country and thank God that I have the freedom and the right to criticize it’s policies without being condemned. That’s what’s special about America and anyone who doesn’t understand that needs to have another look at the Bill of Rights.

  49. 49Zero on Nov 22, 2008 at 8:11 pm:

    Hallelujah, we did it!
    And I hope to God we didn’t spread democracy to Iraq, or anyplace else. We’re out there fighting these battles all ove the world to give people a chance at freedom, not democracy.
    Thanks for all of the kind words! It’s all been worth it.

  50. 50Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 8:23 pm:

    This is insane.

  51. 51zombie on Nov 22, 2008 at 8:41 pm:

    #50 Anonymous

    This is insane.

    Read the entire essay and try to rebut it. Just flatly saying something is “insane” doesn’t prove anything.

    What’s more likely insane is that you have been so steeped in the propaganda endlessly promulgated 24 hours a day by the mainstream media and the left-wing blogs that you are too invested in America’s downfall to see reality any more. You think the propaganda is reality.

    What shocks you more than becoming aware of a whole new paradigm is the new knowledge that not everyone in America drinks the same Kool-Aid as you. Not only do we not buy into the brainwashing of the Left, we have created our colony of freethinkers outside your hivemind.

    You are welcome to join, if you so choose. Or, you continue to take delight in every American death, and derive pleasure from the destruction of freedom. Without even realizing why. Your choice.

  52. 52Anonymous on Nov 22, 2008 at 9:24 pm:

    We would rather win a war than win an election. It seems we have done just that; because we are patriots.

  53. 53GWB on Nov 22, 2008 at 9:25 pm:

    I approve of this message, and this blog

    Note: I am not the President,

  54. 54Jack on Nov 22, 2008 at 9:48 pm:

    ZOMBIE:
    I got in on this a little late, but I will be carrying the celebration over to tomorrow with a posting at The Drum and Cannon. In fact, it will be up all week.

    Great work, and thank you very much.

  55. 55PROUD on Nov 22, 2008 at 9:54 pm:

    I just swore into the navy, this couldn’t make me more proud.

  56. 56Patrick McDonald on Nov 22, 2008 at 10:26 pm:

    Zombie, thanks for all you do.

    Those in our armed forces deserve, and have earned, our gratitude, admiration, and respect, as well as this celebration that you have kicked off. Great essay, I’m on board, and here’s my take:

    http://mcdonald2012.com/2008/11/22/victory/

  57. 57Intellectual Conservative on Nov 22, 2008 at 10:48 pm:

    I added your link to my COMPANY’s website under ‘useful links’. I own the company. If someone doesn’t like my politics, they can buy from someone else. Please add my link to those who stand up for our troops and say THANK YOU.

    Bob

  58. 58Intellectual Conservative on Nov 22, 2008 at 10:49 pm:

    The link I added is on starposition dot com … I don’t know how to send it via email here but I have it under my ‘useful links’

    I’m also Intellectual Conservative on NiceDoggie

  59. 59Kini on Nov 22, 2008 at 11:05 pm:

    Zombie, thanks for all you do. Ditto.

    God Bless our Troops.

  60. 60zombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 12:01 am:

    #56 Patrick McDonald
    #57 Intellectual Conservative:

    I added you both to the list. Thanks!

  61. 61Kini on Nov 23, 2008 at 12:20 am:

    Zombie,
    I copied some of your graphics. Thanks!
    I’ve updated my blog to help spread the message.
    Celebrate and Reflect

  62. 62Kini on Nov 23, 2008 at 12:31 am:

  63. 63zombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 1:07 am:

    #62 Kini: You’re now on the list.

  64. 64Dave Surls on Nov 23, 2008 at 1:47 am:

    Thanks to our armed forces, and to the people in the executive branch who simply ignored attempts by liberals (aka traitors) to sabotage the war effort, and went ahead and did the right thing.

    Quite an accomplishment.

  65. 65gegenkritik on Nov 23, 2008 at 2:29 am:

    When reading the comments of left loonies regarding the Iraq war, some questions come up to my mind.

    You don’t like President Bush, ok. You don’t have to, that’s one of the benefits of modern democracy.
    You think the Iraq war was solely waged for oil, ok. This is utterly nonsense, but it’s your opinion, one of the benefits of… you know.
    But if you are not completely insane, you agree that Iraq under Saddam Hussein was one of the worst dictatorships in the world.
    I always expect that leftists then would argue like: “I don’t like President Bush and the war is only waged for oil, but it’s still a good thing to get rid of Saddam. This damn oil has done a good job.”

    I can’t understand how one could not support the collapse of the Baath-regime.

  66. 66Anonymous on Nov 23, 2008 at 4:28 am:

    I wholeheartedly agree with Zombie’s idea of having a VI Day – it is a necessity in my opinion. However, from announcment to the selected day of celebration was too quick, very few were aware of its occurance.

    If we’re going to have a VI Day then the whole nation, all soldiers, sailors airmen and Marines AND THEIR FAMILIES need to be informed and mustered for a nationwide turn out. All I am saying is let’s do this, and do it right – for the sake of those who gave all, hooah.

    I would like to suggest we reschedule for VI Day – perhaps 26 DEC 06, the day after Christmas, when virtually everyone is on holiday and there is time to git’r’done nationally, and we’re still well prior to 20 JAN 09. Just a floated idea. Since the original is Zombie’s idea, let him run with it. Standing by…

  67. 67Sean Osborne on Nov 23, 2008 at 4:29 am:

    Sorry, didn’t sign my post above.

  68. 68EDaddy on Nov 23, 2008 at 5:46 am:

    I was just there with the summer, and I can tell you that you are basically right. The change in Iraq is phenomanonal. The shame is that due to the outgoing administrations’s initial refusal to follow the military’s advice the war took so long to finish. (If we had (a) sent in 500,000 troops from the get-go as recommended by former Army Gen. Shinsheki, or at least not dissolved the Iraqi Army until we had something to replace it, and (b) put Moktadr al Sadr’s bloodthirsty militia back in their box in 2004 as recommend by Gen. Suarez, this thing could have been wrapped up in 2005.)

    But the point is you all really should be proud of our boys and girls over there with the military, they are doing fabulous work at great personal risk and cost.

  69. 69Anonymous on Nov 23, 2008 at 6:03 am:

    Congratulations to our courageous Military! All through this, they’ve conducyed themselves in an honorable manner. I knew going in that the war was being prosecuted wrongly, that more troops were needed, that the Iraqui Army was disbanded (who puts half a million armed men on the street?) Now if we can find somebody in Iraq to declare Muqtada-al Sadr an enemy of the state, we’ll be in business! Bob

  70. 70Zero on Nov 23, 2008 at 6:58 am:

    We’ve got to stop calling these people “liberals.” They’re not liberal at al – they’re leftists! And I don’t think they should be allowed to co-opt that word any longer.

  71. 71Skye on Nov 23, 2008 at 7:34 am:

    Iraq by all metrics is a success. You can armchair quarterback this war, as is the case with retired Gen. Shinsheki, all you want. Speculate about the impact of 500,000 troops, which would have delayed the liberation of Iraq, dragging it into the heat of the summer. No one believes the additional hundreds of thousands of troops would have just instantly appeared in Iraq from across the globe. With the post liberation strategy that was in place at the time, any number of troops would have had the same result. With all the complexities on the ground, this war would not have been wrapped up in 2005. No war plan has ever gone precisely as planned – only in after the fact armchair quarterbacking.

    If we had listened to Obama and his fellow democrats and cut and run, a triumphant Zarqawi would have taken claim of the new Caliphate of Iraq in 2005.

  72. 72FGFM on Nov 23, 2008 at 8:52 am:

    Victory on the Internet!

  73. 73ProudofOurTroopsinDigitals on Nov 23, 2008 at 9:10 am:

    Hey Zombie,

    Looks like you cleaned up some of the response posts.

    Would like to leave up a link to one picture that fits right in with VI Day – as a young Iraqi expresses his THANKS!

    http://www.dvidshub.net/img_show.php?id=110296

  74. 74ProudofOurTroopsinDigitals on Nov 23, 2008 at 9:11 am:

    Hey Zombie,

    Looks like you cleaned up some of the response posts.

    I would like to leave up a link to one picture that fits right in with VI Day – as a young Iraqi expresses his THANKS!

    http://www.dvidshub.net/img_show.php?id=110296

  75. 75average_guy on Nov 23, 2008 at 9:45 am:

    Thanks to everyone in our military operations who have sacrificed, some to the greatest degree possible by sacrificing their lives, and to all of their families and loved ones who have shared in their sacrifice. From one whose family lives with the benefits of those sacrifices, THANK YOU!!!

  76. 76Dick Raffaelli on Nov 23, 2008 at 10:38 am:

    While I applaud your intent I think it’s always premature to try claim victory when It’s not yet over. Will we ever learn the lesson that victory is only attained when the enemy is finally defeated & destroyed. Not till then.

  77. 77ChenZhen on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:04 am:

    It won’t be picked up by the media because the concept itself is pretty stupid. I mean, did someone surrender or something? No. The disconnect here is that what we’ve been doing is nation-building, engaging in counterinsurgency operations, and generally cleaning up the giant mess we made, as opposed to something like charging up San Juan Hill. Sure, we’ve finally had some positive results in our mission, and that’s certainly good news. But to get all excited that there’s some sort of glorious “victory” here seems akin to patting yourself on the back for finishing a muscle car build that you dumped $100K into and cost you a marriage, even while wondering if the thing is actually going to drive down the road without falling apart.

    I’m sorry, but this blog-burst is a cop-out for the original war cheerleaders who still refuse to/cannot accept that it simply was not worth it.

  78. 78Don on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:12 am:

    Very few, perhaps none, of my readers stayed with me in support of our efforts there. You have given me a chance to show I’m not alone and that a case really can be made for the United States having done the right thing.

    http://moneycantbuyhipness.blogspot.com/2008/11/victory-in-iraq-day-22-nov.html

    You never responded to #48:

    If only we hadn’t lost the goodwill of the rest of the world and the righteousness America used to stand for in accomplishing this goal. And if only we hadn’t tortured and lied and bullied our way to “victory”.

    Just as it might be too soon to call for “victory”, it is also to soon to claim we’ve lost the world’s good will. Most people give international politics about as much thought as it takes to read a New York Times headline. Of course while soldiers are dying and bombs are landing in villages, we will appear the bad guy. But our aim is true, and apart from the effects of propaganda that enables a backwards Islamism, the world’s people will come around again.

    No country, not even the U.S., has ever prevailed in a conflict without bending the rules, lying, bullying, torturing to some extent. Not to defend it; but war is really really hard, and the armchair strategists just don’t get that. Remain vigilant against it, prevent it if possible, but don’t let it unravel the final victory.

  79. 79zombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:12 am:

    #77 ChenZhen:
    As with almost all the comments made here by the anti-Bush crowd, every single “point” in your comment was already pre-emptively addressed in my essay. Since you refused to acknowledge my arguments, which defeated your assertions before you even made them, I refuse to acknowledge any of the shallow claims in your predictable and pedestrian comment.

  80. 80zombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:15 am:

    #76 Dick Raffaelli:
    Please read the essay a little more carefully. If we wait for the media or for the incoming Obama administration to render the assessment that the war is “over” and that we won, we will wait forever. Because they don’t want us to win. That’s the entire point of my essay, which you apparently missed. The people need to seize control of the national narrative and render our own assessments.

  81. 81Don on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:17 am:

    #77 – We are actually giving Iraq a chance to clean up the mess that’s been made by fascist rule stretching back into the 1970s. The casualties of our war are miniscule compared to those wrought by Saddam’s war against Iran. How come no one seems to remember that?

    (I won’t waste space addressing the fact we worked with him on that. It was Iran and we thought we were siding with the lesser evil — nuff said.)

  82. 82zombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:31 am:

    #78 Don
    I didn’t respond to comment #48 because it wasn’t worth responding to. But if you insist:

    The “torture” drumbeat pushed by the anti-American Left is completely fraudulent. Do you know how many terrorists we “tortured” via waterboarding? Grand total? Three. And all three were thought to be in possession of pending terror actions. And of course waterboarding is essentially only “psychological torture,” since no actual bodily harm is inflicted — just the fear of drowning. Real, actual torture involves actual physical bodily harm and pain. And as for the morons taking photos at Abu Ghraib: once again, it was almost entirely psychological torture: humiliation, primarily. The Left so twisted the definition of what torture is that it no longer has meaning. Real, actual torture is an entirely different kettle of fish. And in both instances, our “torture” was a very brief episode: the waterboarding was a couple of days, and the Abu Ghraib pictures were all taken during one week. it was only the overplaying by the media that made us look bad in the world’s eyes. The very countries that condemn us routinely engage in much worse.

    As for “bullying our way to victory”: what kind of ridiculous statement is that? Should we apologize to the Japanese for “bullying” them off of Iwo Jima? Did we “bully” our way onto Omaha Beach? What is war other than massive bullying on a grand scale? Every victor in every war “bullied their way to victory.”

  83. 83Egosumabbas on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:57 am:

    Token libertarian here.

    The only thing I’m celebrating is the fact that Bush and the Iraqi Parliament are working out a troop withdrawal plan. Why it took so long, so many lives lost, and so much money to eliminate a petty dictator and a bunch of foreign fanatics who exploited the political vacuum there is beyond me, and only underscores the total incompetence of the Bush Administration. It is a bittersweet victory–since essentially we gave what the terrorists what they wanted from us: to be bogged down with a foreign occupation that would drain our financial, military, and diplomatic resources. I am not here to go on an anti-war tirade, simply to ask all of you to pause an reflect: what can we learn from the Iraq War? What is an adequate projection of force in the name of liberty? What can we learn about counter-insurgency tactics? How can we better plan a post-war administration so it doesn’t lead to years of chaos? I’m relieved we can finally declare victory and go home, and I hope whatever seeds of liberalism we have planted there can survive future Islamist incursions.

    But, 11/22nd is more important for another reason. Not just the JFK assassination. But the anniversary of the implementation of the 5th plank of the communist manifesto: the establishment of a central bank, a dark day for the United States. Freedom lovers went and protested how Paulson, Bernanke and his buddies totally shafted the American taxpayer and are driving us further into monetary collapse. Just checking if anybody here noticed or cares.

  84. 84ChenZhen on Nov 23, 2008 at 12:46 pm:

    #79 zombie

    As with almost all the comments made here by the anti-Bush crowd, every single “point” in your comment was already pre-emptively addressed in my essay. Since you refused to acknowledge my arguments, which defeated your assertions before you even made them, I refuse to acknowledge any of the shallow claims in your predictable and pedestrian comment.

    Every single “point” except the main one, which was the whole motivation for this exercise is a cop out. Your “arguments” are just an attempt to justify it. Sure, go ahead and say we “won”, and back it up all day if you want. But the fact that we “won” doesn’t mean it was the right thing to do in the first place, and doesn’t make the boondoggle worth it. What I’m saying is that I think you’re hoping that spreading this feeling of “victory” will somehow undo the trauma of thousands of U.S. casualties and hundreds of billions of dollars spent over something that the majority of Americans believe was unnecessary and avoidable.

    And no zombie, what’s “predictable” is that the fervent war cheerleaders (and I’m not really talking about those people who simply thought that the war was a good idea at the time; I’m talking about those who went a step further to demonize and mock those who didn’t) would eventually try something like this as a smokescreen to mask the fact that you had been so wrong, so disconnected, so proud, and so stubborn that it has kept you from admitting the obvious truth: The war was a mistake.

  85. 85Wendy on Nov 23, 2008 at 12:59 pm:

    Is there a Victory in Iraq Day bumper sticker available?

  86. 86zombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 1:47 pm:

    #84 ChenZhen

    You have your narrative, and you will stick by it no matter what — I understand that. Your position is that because you disapprove of the war, then it can never ever ever ever be considered “won,” because in your opinion it was an invalid exercise to begin with, and you reserve the exclusive right to be the sole arbiter of history and the sole assessor of what is worthwhile and what is not. Fine. That’s your privilege (or your delusion, depending on one’s point of view).

    Yes, the war was a mistake. We should always allow tyrants to reign unchallenged. To massacre political opponents and dump them in mass graves. To torture thousands people to death every year. To feed dissenters, still alive, into shredding machines. To exterminate ethnic minorities. To use nerve gas on entire cities. To invade neighboring countries at will. To lob SCUD missiles into civilian areas of nations with whom they are not at war. To violate every single U.N. sanction against them. To engage in massive worldwide fraud and corruption to sidestep international law. To harbor known terrorists. To design and stockpile banned lethal agents. To fund oppression in other countries. To rule a country through unmitigated nepotism, cronyism, intimidation, assassination, fear and violence.

    Yes, it was a mistake to end all that. It was a mistake to liberate tens of millions of people. It was a mistake to sacrifice our blood to bring freedom to others.

    But most of all, it was a mistake to let the Left and the media dictate our national discourse. I for one am putting my foot down and calling an end to this insanity. Those who agree with me can join in. Those who don’t: why are you wasting your time here? Ignore us — we are irrelevant, after all, aren’t we? Oooohh, the oh-so-important media won’t acknowledge us, oooooooh, we feel so rejected.

    You have your worldview, I have mine. Looks like never the twain shall meet. Now why don’t you crawl back to your blog with its 13 visitors-per-month and leave us alone.

  87. 87zombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 1:49 pm:

    #85 Wendy: “Is there a Victory in Iraq Day bumper sticker available?”

    Not that I’m aware of, but you probably could simply make one yourself easily enough by taking any of the banners on this page and uploading them to CafePress, and then ordering one for your own use. And maybe you’ll sell a few!

  88. 88ChenZhen on Nov 23, 2008 at 2:19 pm:

    #86 zombie

    Your position is that because you disapprove of the war, then it can never ever ever ever be considered “won,” because in your opinion it was an invalid exercise to begin with, and you reserve the exclusive right to be the sole arbiter of history and the sole assessor of what is worthwhile and what is not. Fine. That’s your privilege (or your delusion, depending on one’s point of view).

    No, that’s not my position at all. I can still accept that we were successful in the stated mission (or “won”), and still believe that it wasn’t right or worth it. The two are not mutually exclusive. This is a classic ends justify the means debate, and it looks like you’re just trying to paste up a V-I banner to dress up the ends while ignoring the means. But I think most people believe we passed that threshold of justification a long time ago (as per my link upthread). Hence, my point that this is only going to resonate with the cheerleaders, while everyone else shakes heads and shruggs shoulders at arbitrarily picking a day to celebrate “victory”.

    Now why don’t you crawl back to your blog with its 13 visitors-per-month and leave us alone.

    LOL JWF used a similar quip. I have no doubt you’ve got me beat on traffic zombie. But if I really cared that much about hits, I’d spend more time on it and less time roaming to other blogs. I gotta tell you though, since CJ has been banning everyone and their brother for anything and everything, I’ve been seeing a lot of familiar nics around the Chamber. So tell him thanks for me if you want.

  89. 89Egosumabbas on Nov 23, 2008 at 4:09 pm:

    Might I add that there are dictators who do nasty things all over the planet, and who are arguably much worse than Saddam Hussein could ever have hoped. We can’t possibly topple every single dictator on the planet and nation-build their societies into parliamentary democracies. Doing so would bankrupt our treasury, would cause military production to be the dominant factor of our economy, and cause untold death and destruction. Who do we decide whom to topple? If you want to talk about imminent danger, Saddam Hussein was the wrong man to target. North Korea is a much worse terror-state, and had much more compelling evidence that it was a threat to our security. Saddam Hussein was also, and this is important, a secular dictator. If the goal is to eliminate Islamism, why not use him to our benefit?

    It seems clear that the reason we went to war in Iraq was political. There were lots of other reasons that were not altruistic (“spreading freedom” or “toppling dictatorship”). Oil is one reason–the “oil for food program” was a disaster in its own right. Iraq was seeking to switch to an oil bourse based in Euros; there was a chance this would cause a run in dollars. Interestingly, this is why Germany and France were so against the war–they would benefit from a petro-euro bourse. The natives were getting restless in Saudi Arabia–most of the 9/11 hijackers were from there–it would be nice to have bases elsewhere in the middle east in a less religious area.

    Compare this to North Korea. They have no natural resources there. They are more heavily armed and fanatical than Iraq was. China had intervened before on the side of North Korea. Despite the fact that the humanitarian need is more dire, AND it is obvious that they have a nuclear capability, we do not invade. We also don’t need a UN resolution to invade–technically we are still at war with them and they use government resources to counterfeit our currency.

    I’m starting to ramble here, but the point is that we may *think* there were idealistic reasons for us being there, but really they were merely a front to make us feel warm and fuzzy. Also the fact that we would like to actively initiate force to create a liberal society is dangerous ends-justify-the-means thinking. You do not violate first principles to establish first principles.

  90. 90WhatBubbaKnows on Nov 23, 2008 at 4:13 pm:

    To the Zombie:
    Thank you for all you do, especially this. It’s a wonderful idea, many have thought of it, but only you have pulled it off.
    The list of those that had thought of it obviously does not include George, Barry, Nancy and Harry. By the way, has anyone thought to send the memo to Harry “This War Is Lost” Reid?
    Here in Raleigh, we formed a flag line on Capital Blvd for several hours Saturday in celebration of VI Day. Report is here: http://www.whatbubbaknows.com/VIDay.html. That location was chosen because there’s a military recruiter office in the shopping center. Several of them stopped to say thanks. One Marine in particular said nothing, he simply shook everyone’s hand, his eyes full of tears.

  91. 91Kini on Nov 23, 2008 at 4:19 pm:

    Reading several of the comments leads me to believe there’s a larger picture not seen by some. From a military strategy point of view invading Iraq was a brilliant move. What better way to fight an enemy than to bring the fight to their front yard. For years the United States and other countries have been attacked by Al Qeada and Al Qeada wantabes. Past responses have been lobbing a few missiles into the country that harbors these terrorist. No one wants war, but war was declared upon us and it took almost 3000 people to be killed in this country before we took it seriously. So we brought the war to their doorstep. The war brought them out into the open where they became a target. A target not only for our military to kill, but exposed their demented ideology which once sympathetic Iraqis now find intolerable. I.e. Anbar awaking. In war, there are always mistakes. There is no perfection that can prepare anyone or any nation for war. There is only one outcome to war, and that is to win. And Win We Have! If we have either done nothing after 911, or continued the police action mentality, lob a few missiles around, I believe we would have been attacked again inside and outside our borders. We haven’t been attacked since then and I credit Bush’s strategy of going after them. The ideology hasn’t been defeated by no means, but it have been treated with extreme prejudice. I cannot think of a better way to protect us than to kill them. These people value death more than they value life. It’s a twofer when you think about it. We got rid of a vicious tyrant and crippled a terrorist organization. We planted the seeds of democracy in Iraq and with any garden, cultivation, care and feeding will be our legacy to make this successfully grow. One more important thing to remember, this war is generational. It will not end here. It will just be redirected. These Islamic terrorist are training the next generation of martyrs. It will not end until, as once said before by Golda Meir, “[The Arabs] will stop fighting us when they love their children more than they hate [Jews]“, or us.

  92. 92zombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 4:44 pm:

    #89 Egosumabbas:

    So, your argument basically boils down to: Since we can’t do everything, we shouldn’t do anything. Yes, we lack the resources to end every tyrannical regime on the planet; hence, you argue, we shouldn’t topple any tyrannies because what right to we have to choose one over the other? We’d be picking and choosing at random, and that just isn’t fair to anyone.

    Or so you seem to think.

    If you were in charge, it seems, no tyrants would ever be overthrown, and little by little, the world would descend into totalitarianism. Nice.

    You second “point,” that North Korea is more of a threat than Iraq was, is farcical.

    Since 1953, exactly how many countries has North Korea invaded? Zero. It’s got China on one side, which it obviously lacks the capacity to invade; and South Korea on the other side, which it obviously can’t invade either, or it would have done so long ago. That’s it. No other choices. So it isn’t really a military threat to its neighbors.

    How many ethnic minorities has it exterminated or commited ethnic cleansing on? None.

    How powerful is its army and society? By all reports, the entire country is on a starvation diet and are barely surviving. Malnutrition is so rampant that even the military can barely get enough food for soldiers to eat. I wager they’d last a week or two in any war and then collapse.

    The single possible threat that North Korea poses is that of maybe possessing a nuclear weapon. And yes, it’s not a pretty picture. But I for one sincerely doubt that they’ll ever use it flippantly, which would in essence be national suicide and they know it. If North Korea nukes a country, any country, the retaliation would be swift, overwhelming and completely terminal to the regime there. Unless one has enough nukes — like Russia, China, or the U.S. — to utterly destroy half the earth, then there’d be nothing to be gained by toying around with your one or two nukes, because your can’t ensure MAD. The only sure thing is that the world not let you continue to exist as an out-of-control nuclear power.

    That said, yes, I for one would support a rapid and devastating invasion of North Korea and total toppling of their insane government cult. But you know what? If the U.S. did that, the same people that are protesting against Iraq War now would be protesting against the North Korea War then. You can bet on it. Because ya can’t win with these people. What they’re protesting against is not any specific American military action, but any American military action, because they oppose American power in principle.

    So for you to argue that we invaded the “wrong” country is ridiculous. Doesn’t matter what the U.S. does, there will always be critics, and mindless throngs who follow in the wake of the critics, unsure even why they believe what they do.

    As for eliminating Islamism, that is an entirley different subject to my post. I was talking about this specific war. But yes, when we did use Saddam Hussein (in the 1980s) as a pawn to combat Islamism, we were criticized for that too, and continue to be years later. Like I said: ya just can’t win.

    And finally, concerning your “ends don’t justify the means” thesis: Dictators like Saddam Hussein don’t play nice. They present us and the world with impossible moral dilemmas which make “Sophie’s Choice” seem like a game of tic-tac-toe. Almost invariably, thugs like Saddam and the “insurgents” that followed him are impossible to defeat bloodlessly, because they use either individual people or society at large as “human shields.” if people like you were in charge, no tyrant would ever be overthrown, because you’d be too afraid of hurting someone in the process.

    Well let me tell you that it’s no accident people get hurt in the process, because the bad guys want it that way — so armchair critics like yourself can lay the blame on the U.S. in any conflict, and not on the monsters who set up the impossible dilemma in the first place.

  93. 93Egosumabbas on Nov 23, 2008 at 4:53 pm:

    Kini:
    “What better way to fight an enemy than to bring the fight to their front yard”

    This is precisely what we have *not* done. Saddam Hussein was by all means an asshole, and I do not mourn that he is gone now. But he was not part of the al-Qaeda organization! When the two towers were bombed, that was a declaration of war by al-Qaeda. While we did rightfully invade Afghanistan, we did not pursue the perpetrators of 9/11 into Pakistan! Instead we diverted our resources to Iraq–a completely separate venture from the War on Terror. Whoever conflates the Iraq War with the War on Islamic Terrorists is a fool. The Pentagon itself admits as much.

  94. 94Nestor89 on Nov 23, 2008 at 4:58 pm:

    I originally came here to congratulate Zombietime on a well written report, but having read the comments, I have something else to say:

    Zombietime, you are about the best debater I’ve ever seen, with a wicked sense of sarcasm. Every fool who comes on here and tries to poke holes in your idea, you tear them to shreds in your response comment. Just crushing, and funny at the same time. I’m glad I never had to go up against you in a high school or college debate competition (which I used to do).

  95. 95zombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 5:06 pm:

    #93 Egosumabbas

    Of course the Iraq War is separate from the overall war against Islamic extremism. I say as much myself. This post is, as I stated, about winning the War in Iraq, not about winning any other war or conflict.

    But your post only ends up supporting my sjde of the argument against the critics above who say, “Yeah, we may have defeated Saddam, but what about Osama bin Laden? We didn’t defeat every Islamist in the world, so you can’t claim victory!” Well, exactly as you point out, the Iraq War was a limited engagement confined exclusively to Iraq. I’m not claiming that we have defeated terrorism in general, just achieved palpable victory conditions in this specific war. Thanks for chipping in and helping me, unintentional though it may have been.

  96. 96Egosumabbas on Nov 23, 2008 at 5:10 pm:

    “So, your argument basically boils down to: Since we can’t do everything, we shouldn’t do anything. Yes, we lack the resources to end every tyrannical regime on the planet; hence, you argue, we shouldn’t topple any tyrannies because what right to we have to choose one over the other? We’d be picking and choosing at random, and that just isn’t fair to anyone.”

    The initiation of force is immoral. This is self-evident. If it were discovered that the Iraqi government was actively shipping NCB’s into our country, or maybe they attack us using proxy fighters out of uniform, this would be a declaration of war, and we’d have the full authority to destroy them. That is however not what happened, *we* initiated force and committed an immoral act. This is what I mean by the ends do not end justify the means: you cannot rightfully create a society that rejects the initiation of force by initiating force.

    Now say that asshole regimes never attack us in awe of our military might. There are other ways to bring down outlaw regimes that do not involve the initiation of force. One would be to allow volunteers to travel to that country and foment revolt. Or, lower all trade barriers and overwhelm them with our economic might. This worked with bringing down communist regimes. The whole entire soviet bloc fell this way.

  97. 97Egosumabbas on Nov 23, 2008 at 5:19 pm:

    I’d like to add though, I am not against the War on Terror in principle, so long as we do not violate our own civil liberties. Al Qaeda must be hunted down and destroyed, the sensibilities of our foreign corps be damned. I would say that pre-emptive nation building is counter productive to this effort.

    As far as Iraq is concerned, despite the fact that I oppose it as a matter of principle, and we bungled the way it was waged in many ways, I’m happy our administration finally adapted to the situation on the ground and it all turned out okay. I’m not a pacifist or a namby-pamby leftist by any means, I would just argue that we need to be more cautious and conservative in our projection of force.

    Actually, I’m not even sure why we’re arguing since I agree that we have achieved victory in Iraq.

  98. 98liberty4usa on Nov 23, 2008 at 5:30 pm:

    The ChenZhen’s that have responded negatively to the idea that we have won are no surprise. Where are the media in Iraq today? Answer, they cannot report the good news that does not fit their agenda. The leftists cannot stand the fact we won, as you wrote, our objectives and the conditions have been met,
    we are only there now to act as a safety net for the people of Iraq and their government. Every traditional American is labeled by these leftists for disagreeing with their anti-Americanism by some childish name.
    TheChenZhens have the same credibility as the MSM does trying to claim real Americans are the insane ones, but these people were invested in our defeat as a country and were hoping to hand Obama credit for something he had no role in deciding. I think these objectors are disgusting people though they have the right to object, they claim intellectual superiority but display very little thinking and a whole lot of emotional commitment that renders them unable to budge from a position. The Bush/Cheney derangement syndrome has been like watching a 8 year tantrum from ridiculously bratty kids.
    We have to reclaim the narrative from those like ChenZhen. The dictator of Iraq was responsible for millions of deaths
    and actively supported terrorists factions, had used WMD, had WMD programs and potential and the support for the war was overwhelming on both sides of the political aisle. Al Queda managed to terrorize Spain out of the war and that is when public opinion was turned here in this country also. Our MSM is responsible for that, I am not in favor of waiting for their pronouncement on when they think the war is over, it’s over now, and we Americans won!
    I am looking forward to the first anniversary of VI Day , November 22, 2009!

  99. 99Braff on Nov 23, 2008 at 5:33 pm:

    Thank you Zombie for VID. I think our military troops need to be honored for their service to our country. They have done a great job in Iraq with very little support from the Democrats in Washington. They still cannot admit today that we are winning this war because that might make George Bush and his administration look good! For all the Anti-American Left and the Left Wing Media, thank God you live in this country where your freedom of speech is protected. Also, other countries opinions of us are based on their left-wing media reporting about our government! I have relatives in Canada and I have read their newspapers and it’s bias is toward the left. The Euro-Snobs only like Americans if they are Anti-American!

  100. 100Anonymous on Nov 23, 2008 at 6:35 pm:

    (sorry I’m late)

    Congratulations troops! Bless every last one of you for your exceptional professionalism and your heroic efforts! Bless the precious families of those warriors who made the ultimate sacrifice for freedom and those who paid with the loss of parts of themselves. Thank you George Bush for not faltering! History will be a better judge, as with the passage of time, reflection and a bit of RESEARCH allow more people to open their eyes to what really happened. Today it appears that most people on this planet still do not have a clue. They can’t be bothered to study so instead they passively gobble the distorted info-turds dropped on us every single day by the callous, self-serving, Drive-By Media.

    To the pathetic shit-birds above who dropped in for a little dump – there were pigeons flying over the celebrations on VE day as well. You don’t deserve to lick the sand off your BEST AND BRIGHTEST’S BOOTS.

    America – land of heroes, land of back-biting scum.

    Fuck Yea.

  101. 101Notazombie on Nov 23, 2008 at 6:40 pm:

    Without disrespect towards the good soldiers who found themselves in Iraq and died there, or who came back terribly maimed,
    http://tinyurl.com/6ax83w

    I say to you, Zombie, don’t count your eggs just yet! It’s not over yet and heaven knows what this new administration will have to deal with:
    http://tinyurl.com/6r2oo8

    Also perhaps a thought should be spared for the staggering number of Iraqis who are no more.
    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

  102. 102om on Nov 23, 2008 at 6:54 pm:

    Thanks

  103. 103liberty4usa on Nov 23, 2008 at 7:14 pm:

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  104. 104Kini on Nov 23, 2008 at 7:27 pm:

    Egosumabbas

    You missed my point. After the invasion of Iraq, Al Qeada poured into Iraq. We drew them out and exposed them to sympathetic Arab neighbors. You may not like the idea of “conflating” the Iraq War with the War on Islamic Terrorists, but you cannot just poo-poo the end results away. From a larger strategy, both worked. A fascist regime was toppled and a terrorist organization has been crippled. Afghanistan and Pakistan, while still a problem, was not the central focus, Iraq was, as Al Qeada has pointed out more than once. The Iraq war is won. The war on terrorism will go on for generations. Iraq was, even if you don’t like it to be, one step in that war on terrorism.

  105. 105least on Nov 23, 2008 at 8:30 pm:

    notazombie:
    From one of your links:

    That study, published in prestigious medical journal The Lancet, estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had been killed

    Well there’s your problem!

  106. 106commie atheist on Nov 23, 2008 at 9:06 pm:

    Well, no need to check with the Iraqi people – you know, the ones we brought freedom to – as to whether or not they have anything to celebrate.

    You people are certifiably insane. Seriously. The election of Obama officially sent you all over the edge permanently.

  107. 107Warm Mountain on Nov 23, 2008 at 9:28 pm:

    Victory in Iraq Day is also posted by my Canadian friend Brat at her blog Assoluta Tranquillita and in the Canadian online newspaper NewsBlaze. Great work, Zombie!

  108. 108Soothsayer on Nov 23, 2008 at 9:53 pm:

    Now you’re trying to take away a day of mourning for the loss of a great Democrat -JFK – and substitute it with THIS farcical “Victory in Iraq” event?

    Don’t be surprised if you Iraq war supporters — civilian AND military — find yourself rejected by Jesus and cast into Hell after you die or not having opposed this criminal war from the start.

  109. 109aussie girl on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:29 pm:

    Good on you America and nice working with you! Let me tell you that I love my own wide, brown land more than life itself but I have to admit that another country, the USA, is also the biggest, most incredible experiment in human liberty and democracy that the world has ever known. For all that, and your clumsy, naive, brave attempts to make the world a better place I salute you. Now lets kick some arse in West Asia.

  110. 110Dave Surls on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:55 pm:

    “Well, no need to check with the Iraqi people…”

    About as much need as their was to check with the German and Japanese people in 1945.

    Left wing = brain dead.

  111. 111Dave Surls on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:57 pm:

    “Now you’re trying to take away a day of mourning for the loss of a great Democrat -JFK…”

    I never thought America would sink so low as to launch a sneak attack against someone…then along came that pos Kennedy.

    He was a scumbag. Naturally, today’s leftoid scumbags think he was great.

  112. 112Anonymous on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:39 am:

    Are you basing this declaration of victory on anything, or just pulling it out of your ass?

  113. 113Kini on Nov 24, 2008 at 1:23 am:

    aussie girl on Nov 23, 2008 at 11:29 pm:

    Fair Dinkum,

    Mahalo

  114. 114The New Centrist on Nov 24, 2008 at 8:33 am:

    “The initiation of force is immoral. This is self-evident.”

    Actually, Saddam Hussein was ordering anti-aircraft batteries to shoot American and British planes in the No-Fly Zones on a regular basis. This was in clear violation of UN Resolutions, etc. But what did the “global community” do about it? Nada…

  115. 115Soothsayer on Nov 24, 2008 at 8:56 am:

    Wow – a Web page from Bizarro World. So when is “Thank you George W. Bush for 8 Great Years Day” and the “John McCain Victory Celebration Day”?

  116. 116Soothsayer on Nov 24, 2008 at 9:15 am:

    Lincoln toured conquered Richmond just before the Civil War ended. I take it we can expect a tickertape parade in downtown Baghdad soon, with GWB riding in a convertible sedan with the top down so the jubilant Iraqi people can shower him with gratitude?

  117. 117Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 9:48 am:

    “Are you basing this declaration of victory on anything…”

    Yeah, it’s based on the facts that we crushed the Baathists like the insects they were, that the terrorists who were operating out of Iraq prior to the invasion are all dead or in the lock-up, that we have a pro-western government established in Iraq, and that the low level guerrilla fighting, which was never much to begin with, has died down to just about zero.

    “The initiation of force is immoral. This is self-evident. If it were discovered that the Iraqi government was actively shipping NCB’s into our country, or maybe they attack us using proxy fighters out of uniform, this would be a declaration of war, and we’d have the full authority to destroy them. That is however not what happened…”

    What happened is is that the Iraqis helped terrorists like Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas kill Americans, the Iraqis then attacked Kuwait. We kicked their ass out of Kuwait, they agreed to a ceasefire, they then violated just about all of the terms of the ceasefire, continued to help terrorists like Nidal and Abbas and started shooting at American aircraft flying over Iraq, so we wiped them out like we should have done years before.

    That’s what happened.

  118. 118Soothsayer on Nov 24, 2008 at 9:50 am:

    Upon further review, I think you’re on to something. This could be the start of something big. Cubs fans could simply start saying they won the World Series, and Bushbots could simply start telling women at bars that their penises are five inches longer than they actually are.

  119. 119Soothsayer on Nov 24, 2008 at 9:52 am:

    Nidal was murdered in Baghdad before the invasion, Dave.

  120. 120Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:38 am:

    “Nidal was murdered in Baghdad before the invasion, Dave.”

    That’s good. Instead of invading Iraq to get Nidal, all the other terrorists the Baathists were supporting and the Baathists themselves, all we have to do is get all the other terrorists and the Baathists. Saved us a little bit of work.

  121. 121Soothsayer on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:53 am:

    Victory in Iraq? Sounds like you delusional bloggers are suffering from symptoms of premature emancipation.

  122. 122GWB on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:00 pm:

    and yet all you bring to the debate is snide comments, while we bring facts.

  123. 123Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:04 pm:

    “Victory in Iraq?”

    No need for a question mark. We obviously won. The Baathists, terrorists like Nidal and Abbas and the leftist traitors in America who hooked their ponies to the Baathist/terrorist cart obviously lost.

    Better luck next time, lefty traitors. As for guys like Sadam Hussein and Abu Abbas…there ain’t going to be no next time for you. You lost permanently.

  124. 124Soothsayer on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:15 pm:

    After the troops leave Iraq, we’re going to need a “victory force” to ensure our glorious victory there is permanent. I suggest all you delusional right-wing keyboard commandos, you members of the 101st Chairborne Division, lead the way and head to Baghdad, since you were too busy to enlist while the fighting was going on.

  125. 125Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:37 pm:

    Not only is it a total victory, but it’s a cheaply won victory. We’ve lost fewer guys killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2003 (around 4800) then we lost in a month at Iwo Jima in 1945 (around 6800).

    That’s partly because George Bush is about a hundred times better president than that pos Roosevelt (Bush is not only a far better c-in-c than that idiot FDR, but he’s a better POTUS in every other way too) and partly because Muslims couldn’t fight their way out of a paper sack.

  126. 126Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:40 pm:

    “After the troops leave Iraq, we’re going to need a “victory force” to ensure our glorious victory there is permanent.”

    Actually we need to stay on in Iraq so we’ll have bases to wipe out the mad mullahs in Iran, the Baathists in Syria and also to destroy the Palestinian and Hezbollah swine, once we get this idiot Obama out of power.

  127. 127GWB on Nov 24, 2008 at 1:04 pm:

    Dave, I hate to say this, but you really need to be a bit more subtle.

  128. 128zombie on Nov 24, 2008 at 1:05 pm:

    Commenter “Soothsayer” is not an actual commenter but a clever bit of software code which automatically generates wearisome and hackneyed leftoid talking points, sort of like a commenting version of the Autorantic Virtual Moonbat.

    So far we have “You’re all chickenhawks!”, “You’re all going to Hell!”, “Bush is unpopular!” and “Post-war occupation is indicative of defeat!”, among others.

    They really need to update the phrases in that thing.

  129. 129GWB on Nov 24, 2008 at 1:16 pm:

    you mean to tell me that we got trolled by a robot?

    %^&$@

  130. 130Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 1:34 pm:

    “Dave, I hate to say this, but you really need to be a bit more subtle.”

    Not in this lifetime.

  131. 131Desert Storm Vet on Nov 24, 2008 at 3:07 pm:

    Congrats to our soldiers, sailors, airmen, all those that helped make this possible. Please ignore those that tried to undermine your efforts to bring peace and tranquility to a place that has known only the iron hand of Saddam Hussein the last 30+ years. The Iraqi people are finally getting a taste of democracy and freedom. God bless you all and thank you for cleaning up Desert Storm 1.

    Sincerely,

    Desert Storm Vet.

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  133. 133spidey on Nov 24, 2008 at 3:34 pm:

    And then we all woke up and remembered that we are STILL stuck in Bush’s nightmare. Congrats to all of you Repugs for murdering 4000+ American kids for no good reason at all.

  134. 134A Red Voice on Nov 24, 2008 at 3:48 pm:

    I’m a little late in joining the parade – but better late than never. We should celebrate all week!! Thank you for doing what needed to be done!! God Bless our brave men and women for doing such a fantastic job in Iraq!! I have posted my VI Day post: http://aredvoiceinabluestate.blogspot.com/2008/11/declare-victory.html
    Thanks for all you do to spread the truth!

  135. 135Ken on Nov 24, 2008 at 4:10 pm:

    “Since 1953, exactly how many countries has North Korea invaded? Zero. It’s got China on one side, which it obviously lacks the capacity to invade; and South Korea on the other side, which it obviously can’t invade either, or it would have done so long ago. That’s it. No other choices. So it isn’t really a military threat to its neighbors.”

    There is a lengthy chapter devoted to this in Michael Breen’s biography of Kim Jong Il. He says that the most plausible scenario in which North Korea would launch nukes is if it was collapsing and, “rather than go quietly like East Germany,” it decided to go out with a bang (pun intended) and take South Korea with it. The North Koreans even have a detailed plan for doing just that, which was written up just after the Gulf War.

    Also, you seem to be forgetting that threatening behavior is not just limited to military invasions: North Korea has launched missiles over Japan and has sent entire networks of spies and assassins to South Korea. They’re still a threat, even though they may not be in the conventional military sense of the word.

    As for your statement that their army is on a “starvation diet,” that’s false. They’re some of the best fed people in the entire country and stand 3-5 inches taller than their civilian counterparts. They’re also heavily indoctrinated and are given interrogations to determine their potential for disloyalty. This is all part of the “Songun” policy that Kim Jong Il spends most of his national budget on. Assuming that North Korean soldiers would suddenly desert in the event of an invasion is ridiculous. Also, assuming that North Korean civilians would drop the “Great Leader” overnight and greet foreign troops as liberators is also ridiculous. I’ve met my fair share of North Koreans here in China…they’re totally bizarre…and completely devoted to their government.

    And, finally, Zomb, the invasion of North Korea you’d like to see would be a suicide mission for all parties involved, as China would certainly not just sit by and do nothing. North Korea is the buffer state that protects N/E China from the American soldiers in South Korea. They wont give that up without a serious fight.

  136. 136Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 4:27 pm:

    “Congrats to all of you Repugs for murdering 4000+ American kids…”

    Roosevelt “murdered” 400,000 in WWII, so I reckon that makes George Bush 100 times a better president.

    Which is about right.

  137. 137Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 4:43 pm:

    Of course, there’s some other differences between that stinking liberal puke, Roosevelt, and the good and decent George Bush.

    Roosevelt inherited an America that was at war with no one and brilliantly put us into a conflict with Germany, Japan and Italy, thanks to his own moronic policies.

    Bush, OTOH, inherited an America that was already at war with Iraq (for which see the hundreds of bombing raids flown against Iraq during the bumbling presidency of Idiot-in-Chief, and blowjob devotee, Slick Willy), and also with Al Qaida/the Taliban. Unlike FDR, George Bush didn’t CAUSE American involvement in a war.

    Also, in Roosevelt’s day the liberals FORCED millions of people into the armed forces, using the draft which was entirely the creation of Roosevelt & Co., and then put those millions of people into situations where 400,000 were then killed (which really is murder, just legalized murder). Bush and the Republicans prefer to have people volunteer for risky situations, which obviously isn’t murder.

    Aside from being the biggest group of killers in U.S. history, the liberal Democrats and their mindless followers are also the biggest hypocrites that ever walked the face of planet earth.

  138. 138Maureen on Nov 24, 2008 at 5:40 pm:

    I’m glad the surge worked because we were there, and I believe in the ideals of a traditional BO (Before Obama) America more than any other country on earth, but, and it’s a bit but, Sharia law is now enshrined in Iraq and Christians have been allocated three seats in Parliament out of 440… yep, three seats out of 440! And this is what we are celebrating? The West has no business helping out any country that pledges to enshrine Islamic law in its constitution.

  139. 139zombie on Nov 24, 2008 at 5:47 pm:

    # 135 Ken:

    From what I’ve read, North Korean soldiers may indeed, as you note, be the best fed people in the country, but their caloric intake and protein consumption is still quite small compared to that of any other military in the world. What counts as being ‘well-fed” in North Korea would probably count as a “starvation diet” to an American Marine in basic training.

    As for the putative invasion of North Korea: Obviously we would not attempt such a thing without first getting clearance from China ahead of time. I’m not talking about some unilateral heedless invasion, but, as in Iraq the last two times (1990 and 2003), first getting the at least tacit permission from relevant parties in the international community; and perhaps even their support.

    Perhaps in 1949/1950 China feared that a unified, pro-western Korea would be a threat to the fledging communist Chinese state, since Truman could conceivably have used Korea as a staging ground to launch a ground invasion (or so the Chinese feared), which is why they so vigorously backed North Korea in the Korean War, to create (as you correctly note) a “buffer state” between the “west” and China.

    But that was 60 years ago, and the Chinese economy is now inextricably intertwined with the US economy, and the Chinese government must certainly know that they have nothing to fear from South Korea or from a unified Korea. The US has no reason whatsoever to invade China, and China knows that.

    Therefore, I would hope that if North Korea starts waving around its nukes, threatening to blow up either South Korea or Japan, China wouldn’t want the fallout (both literal and metaphorical) blowing over their country, and might very well assent to a “take down” of the North Korean regime. It would even be to China’s advangtage, at this stage of history, to have a unified Korea on its border, as a trade partner.

  140. 140zombie on Nov 24, 2008 at 6:04 pm:

    # 135 Ken:

    Oh, also, I forgot to mention: when I say that the North Korean army would “collapse” after a week or two, I don’t mean that the NK army would “suddenly desert” as you seem to think I meant, but rather they would simply not be able to withstand a well-executed assault for very long, and would collapse militarily — not ideologically. Even in defeat, they may very well continue to worship the Great Leader. Any un-brainwashing would have to take years.

    Iraq’s Republican Guard and other army units, which were advertised as being the most fearsome army in the Middle East, barely lasted three weeks. I don’t think the North Koreans, which have no such reputation, would even last that long.

  141. 141zombie on Nov 24, 2008 at 6:16 pm:

    #138 Maureen:

    I understand your frustration, but Iraq, after all, is overwhelmingly a Muslim nation, and we gave them the right to vote, and as a result they voted to have Islamic-inspired laws on the books. That’s what democracy is all about. Even if we don’t like the results of a fair election, at least we gave people the freedom to choose.

    Truth is, many otherwise-secular Middle Eastern countries have “Islamic law” or shari’a as the basis for their legal system, but that does not make the countries theocracies, or Islamofascist. It’s just a thing they say over there to give the laws the weight of authority. Most of the “sharia” laws in these countries aren’t any different from what the laws would be even without shari’a. (I.e. they’re basic moral laws that a lot of countries share, such as: no murder, no prostitution, no theft, etc.) Here in the west we think of such laws as “common sense,” but over there they trumpet them as “shari’a” so make it seem like the legal system is based on ancient principles.

    Muslim countries have the right to have Muslim-tinged laws on the books if they want. We here in the west only cringe at the word shari’a because we don’t want it in OUR countries. (A sentiment a strongly endorse.) And while I would do everything I can to resist the implementation of shari’a in the United States, if some other country wants to have it, or at least claim they have it for publicity reasons, then that’s their right.

  142. 142zombie on Nov 24, 2008 at 6:41 pm:

    #133 spidey:

    By “Repugs,” do you mean all those Democrats in Congress who voted to invade Iraq?

    Good. ‘Cause that’s what I thought you meant.

  143. 143Just Sayin' on Nov 24, 2008 at 7:34 pm:

    Is this like Vietnam where we just give up, go home and say we “won”?

  144. 144zombie on Nov 24, 2008 at 8:45 pm:

    #143 Just Sayin:
    There are so many layers of stupid to your comment that it is practically beneath the level of perceptible rebuttability.

    But, using my microscope to try to perceive your quantum of sarcasm:

    - Nobody claims we won Vietnam. Therefore, your comparison is invalid.
    - We are not “just giving up” in Iraq. First of all, we already won; second of all, we’re still there. Therefore, your comparison is invalid.
    - America itself did not exactly lose the war on the ground in Vietnam either. If you knew thing one about history, you’d know that when US troops withdrew in the early ’70s, the war was still raging but the South Vietnamese troops were holding their own. it was only later, in ’74 and ’75, when the Democratic US Congress voted to stop all aid to South Vietnam (mainly to punish Nixon) that the South ran out of ammo and finally were unable to keep going. US troops were not present during the phase of the war when it was lost. Therefore, your comparison is invalid.

    What, of course, the Left so desperately wants to do this time around is the exactly same thing: to intentionally withdraw all troops and all support from Iraq and intentionally sacrifice the lives and liberty of millions of Iraqis simply so they could then announce, retroactively, that the Iraq War was “lost” and it was all the Republicans’ fault.

    We see right through you people. Even if, as I suspect, you cannot even see through yourselves and do not even know why you are promoting this ruinous ideology. But we stopped falling for it long ago. Sorry to disappoint.

  145. 145Anonymous on Nov 24, 2008 at 8:51 pm:

    Put down the mouse and go enlist.
    Die in Iraq – you won’t be missed.

  146. 146Anonymous on Nov 24, 2008 at 9:13 pm:

    Sure were a lot of VID celebrations on Saturday – NOT. Looks like even Fox News was too embarrassed to acknowledge this right-wing circle-jerk fantasy of “victory” in Iraq.

    I guess five years of being scorned for being cheerleaders for Bush and the biggest foreign policy blunder in US history, followed by Obama’s landslide win, have driven you clowns completely over the edge. Now you’ve simply decided that we won, with NO input from Bush, the Pentagon or even the Iraqis.

    Amazing! Don’t count your chickenhawks before they hatch, people!

  147. 147WHAT THE F on Nov 24, 2008 at 9:17 pm:

    How do you call an ongoing occupation a victory? The invasion of Iraq as part of the so-called “War on Terror” was completely bogus. Can you say “OIL?” I’m sure the former Viceroy L. Paul Bremer would appreciate your call for a victory day.

    American blood and treasure spent as Cheney’s big oil business plan.

    F. U.

  148. 148Wingnutsworstnightmare on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:00 pm:

    Christ, you wingnuts are fucking dipshits. What exactly is “victory” in Iraq, morons? There has never been any goal outlined, so exactly how is it that you’re suddenly able to declare “victory?” WTF is wrong with you dumb shits?

    $10 billion per month, forever. Over 1 million dead Iraqis and other 3-4 million refugees. How many innocent children, women, and men slaughtered because of you filthy, unAmerican, subhuman asswads? Fucking idiots.

    Yeah, we sure did “win big,” didn’t we? “Mission accomplished,” yet again, right, geniuses? Just in case you were wondering, this is a perfect example of why your diseased party has been rendered moot, and will sit on the sidelines in the extreme minority for at least the next 20-40 years. You people are utterly, completely, entirely fucking clueless.

  149. 149Anonymous on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:20 pm:

    Thank you, USA. From one Canadian, on behalf of many.

  150. 150Anonymous on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:43 pm:

    Ooops, outdated computer/OS wouldn’t let me sign.

    So I will here.

    Thank you, USA. From one Canadian, on behalf of many.

    Midnight

  151. 151Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:52 pm:

    “Thank you, USA. From one Canadian, on behalf of many.”

    Thanks for your help in Afghanistan. Wish you could have gone with us on the Iraq thing.

  152. 152Anonymous on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:01 pm:

    The soldiers were ready. Canada had a left-of-center gov’t at the time.

    Political expedience, guided the govt’s decision, to say the least.

    We realize, that if it wasn’t for the States, we might be all be forced to speak Russian, by now.

    Thanks again.

    Midnight

  153. 153Dave Surls on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:27 pm:

    “How many innocent children, women, and men slaughtered because of you filthy, unAmerican, subhuman asswads?”

    Tsk, tsk such language. Far more innocent people were killed in just a few bombing raids carried out by you liberal Democrat mass-murderers in WWII, than have been killed by American/Allied forces in all the years we’ve been fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Way more.

    The 1,000,000 dead Iraqis claim is total hogwash. Pure anti-American propaganda put forth by a bunch of lefty traitors who were working in collusion with members of Saddam Hussein’s military in order, by their own admission, to damage the war effort.

    1,000,000 dead Iraqis would EXCEED the rate of deaths suffered by Japan in WWII during the 1937-45 war, which is totally absurd on its face. The warfare in Iraq isn’t even remotely close to the level of fighting that took place in the Pacific/CBI theaters in WWII which involved millions of men, and left most of Japan’s cities in smoking ruins…and there isn’t any 1,000,000 dead Iraqis, except in the addled imaginations of leftoid traitors.

    So, spare me your phony angst, and your absurdly inflated casualty figures. When it comes to killing innocent civilians, you liberal pricks wrote the book, and you only look ridiculous when you start moaning about the few thousands that have been accidently killed by our guys in Iraq and Afghanistan, after what you liberal Democrat thugs did at Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki (amongst other places).

    Now, be a good little lefty traitor and find some new despots and terrorists to worship, because your pals in Iraq have had their asses royally kicked, and cheerleading for them is a waste of every good lil’ lefty traitor’s valuable traitor-time.

  154. 154Kini on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:34 pm:

    History will vindicate all that was done by the Bush Administration.

  155. 155zombie on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:57 pm:

    Looks like some anti-American moonbat blog must have linked to us, unleashing a brief torrent of predictable stupidity.

  156. 156Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 12:32 am:

    Btw, Zombie, I found your blog through Kate MacMillan’s, SDA (smalldeadanimals.com),
    who posted the Victory in Iraq Day, banner.

    Usually hang at Chuckercanuck.blogspot.com. A different perspective, from two Canadian bloggers. Cheers.

    Have linked to your site, at Chucker’s.

    Cheers.

    Midnight

  157. 157DangerousNate on Nov 25, 2008 at 6:34 am:

    “Christ, you wingnuts are fucking dipshits. What exactly is “victory” in Iraq, morons? There has never been any goal outlined, so exactly how is it that you’re suddenly able to declare “victory””

    This why we’re defining it, so that the democrats/media won’t have to tell you what victory will be, because that will be the only thing that will get you to say we won in Iraq (or at least I can safely assume) whenever Obama and/or the media tells you.

    So I guess the democrats really screwed up world war 2 and vietnam then didn’t they, if you’re defining a war lost by occupation, costing us billions of dollars, and loss of lives.

  158. 158TheBoss on Nov 25, 2008 at 7:43 am:

    You all live in a fantasy land where President Palin tortures people herself and where everything is in black and white like Pleasantville and where black people still know their place and women greet you at the door in an apron with dinner on the table and where there are no gay people and we spend Sundays in church. Ahhhh….the land that Reagan built. It’s all b.s. Wake up, losers.

  159. 159Hamza on Nov 25, 2008 at 8:36 am:

    Quite extraordinary.

    I have never been to a website and found so many idiots in one place. Please, take a bow everyone!

    Victory in Iraq? ha

    You lot are living in cloud cuckoo land; you need serious brain surgery if you think America has done anything but cause mass murder, mayhem and chaos in Iraq. The military should be leaving with their tails between their legs and Bush and the rest of his cronies should be arrested and sent to jail in chains.

    This is one of the reasons the rest of the world sees Americans as dumb, arrogant and brash…

    amazing!

  160. 160Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 8:56 am:

    We won the Iraq war?? HuH?

  161. 161Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 9:05 am:

    “you only look ridiculous when you start moaning about the few thousands that have been accidently killed by our guys in Iraq and Afghanistan”

    If that wasn’t so pathetic, it would be funny. Sounds like Geroge Bush joking about the weapons of mass destruction. Nope, none over here, ha ha ha, nope, none there, ha ha ha. What’s a few thousand, million dead among republican friends. Ooops, sorry, we killed you, we win ha ha ha. The Horror of Republican rule….

  162. 162zombie on Nov 25, 2008 at 9:05 am:

    158 TheBoss
    159 Hamza
    160 Anonymous
    161 Anonymous

    Masterful! You all represented your side with intelligence, flair, and logic. Bravo!

  163. 163Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 9:16 am:

    “I have never been to a website and found so many idiots in one place…”

    Try any left wing site. You’ll find plenty of kindred spirits.

  164. 164Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 9:27 am:

    “What’s a few thousand, million dead among republican friends. Ooops, sorry, we killed you, we win ha ha ha. The Horror of Republican rule…”

    The liberal Democrats firebomb Tokyo, under the glorious reign of every libby wibby’s favorite president, FDR…

    “Changing their tactics to expand the coverage and increase the damage, 279 B-29s raided on the night of 9–10 March, dropping around 1,700 tons of bombs. Approximately 16 square miles (41 km²) of the city were destroyed and some 100,000 people are estimated to have died in the resulting firestorm, more than the immediate deaths of either Hiroshima or Nagasaki The US Strategic Bombing Survey later estimated that nearly 88,000 people died in this one raid, 41,000 were injured, and over a million residents lost their homes. The Tokyo Fire Department estimated a higher toll: 97,000 killed and 125,000 wounded. The Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department established a figure of 124,711 casualties including both killed and wounded and 286,358 buildings and homes destroyed. Richard Rhodes, historian, put deaths at over 100,000, injuries at a million and homeless residents at a million.”–wiki

    More civilians killed by American forces just in that ONE RAID, than have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. A lot more.

    The hypocrisy of liberals never ceases to amuse.

  165. 165Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 9:55 am:

    More on the mass slaughter of civilians during wartime, liberal Democrat style.

    Truman drops A-bomb on Hiroshima…

    “…On the ground moments before the blast it was a calm and sunny Monday morning. An air raid alert from earlier that morning had been called off after only a solitary aircraft was seen (the weather plane), and by 8:15 the city was alive with activity — soldiers doing their morning calisthenics, commuters on foot or on bicycles, groups of women and children working outside to clear firebreaks. Those closest to the explosion died instantly, their bodies turned to black char. Nearby birds burst into flames in mid-air, and dry, combustible materials such as paper instantly ignited as far away as 6,400 feet from ground zero. The white light acted as a giant flashbulb, burning the dark patterns of clothing onto skin (right) and the shadows of bodies onto walls. Survivors outdoors close to the blast generally describe a literally blinding light combined with a sudden and overwhelming wave of heat. (The effects of radiation are usually not immediately apparent.) The blast wave followed almost instantly for those close-in, often knocking them from their feet. Those that were indoors were usually spared the flash burns, but flying glass from broken windows filled most rooms, and all but the very strongest structures collapsed. One boy was blown through the windows of his house and across the street as the house collapsed behind him. Within minutes 9 out of 10 people half a mile or less from ground zero were dead…”

    “…No one will ever know for certain how many died as a result of the attack on Hiroshima. Some 70,000 people probably died as a result of initial blast, heat, and radiation effects. This included about twenty American airmen being held as prisoners in the city. By the end of 1945, because of the lingering effects of radioactive fallout and other after effects, the Hiroshima death toll was probably over 100,000. The five-year death total may have reached or even exceeded 200,000, as cancer and other long-term effects took hold.”

    http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/hiroshima.htm

    Ah, the horrors of liberal Democrat rule.

  166. 166spiderbucket on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:21 am:

    So, you guys are responsible for the death of thousands of our GI’s and the economy and the general poor state of the country and rather than admit defeat and admit failure and take responsibility for what you’ve done – you make up a scenario and try to re-write history ? Psycho much ? And the funniest thing is that you have people trying to make Bush sound like he did something OTHER THAN damn near destroy the USA. Feeling guilty ?

  167. 167Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:23 am:

    Right on!!! And hey, let’s have another one commemorating our victory in Vietnam.

  168. 168Joe on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:25 am:

    Victory Day in Iraq?? What a joke. Zombie you are a bit delusional here. When the last of our troops come home and the country of Iraq pays us back all the money that we have spent , then and only then can we ” declare victory”

  169. 169Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:40 am:

    “Far more innocent people were killed in just a few bombing raids carried out by you liberal Democrat mass-murderers in WWII”

    Hey, guess what, asswipe? That war was legal and morally justified. Your wasn’t. Deal with it, you pathetic hack loser. That said, I would never have supported the firebombing and nuclear horrors inflicted upon civilian populations by all nations in that gastly war.

    See, this is the big difference between the mind of a liberal and the twisted, sick fuck excuse for a mind in a typical dumbfuck wingnut. We despise war and killing of all labels. You revel in it. You only care about life while a fetus is swimming in a womb. The second that fetus breathes air, you can’t WAIT to figure out ways to kill it. Deny it healthcare. Let the child grow up in abject poverty and on crime and violence-ridden streets. Send them off to die in illegal wars of aggression. Send them to the electric chair. All, to satisfy your sickfuck bloodlust against humanity.

    “The 1,000,000 dead Iraqis claim is total hogwash. Pure anti-American propaganda put forth by a bunch of lefty traitors who were working in collusion with members of Saddam Hussein’s military in order, by their own admission, to damage the war effort. ”

    Typical dumbfuck, ignorant wingnut response. Apparently, nobody’s informed you that there have been no more and no less than 3, count them THREE scientifically conducted surveys to study the civilian death rates as a result of your illegal rightwing war against humanity in Iraq. Two were conducted by that “hack, partisan, lefty” organization known as “Johns Hopkins University.” The methodology incorporated in both was thoroughly peer-reviewed, and was deemed the most accurate method of collecting the necessary data. Sorry, dumbfuck. You lose, as usual.

    The third was the virtually unknown British “ORB” study, which, although relying upon different methodology, concluded with almost the exact same figures as the Johns Hopkins studies that were published in the British medical journal, “The Lancet.”

    Subsequently, the British government has accepted the estimated figure as being reasonable and accurate.

    Stick that in your dumbfuck, ignorant, wingnut as and smoke it.

    “1,000,000 dead Iraqis would EXCEED the rate of deaths suffered by Japan in WWII during the 1937-45 war, which is totally absurd on its face.”

    Right. Because, as we all know, we haven’t advanced in our ability to slaughter innocent human beings since WWII. Btw, dumbass, the total deaths for Japan in WWII was 2.7 million. Not that a murder-adoring rigthwing thug would give a rat’s ass how many innocent humans are murdered in their name.

    “The warfare in Iraq isn’t even remotely close to the level of fighting that took place in the Pacific/CBI theaters in WWII which involved millions of men, and left most of Japan’s cities in smoking ruins…and there isn’t any 1,000,000 dead Iraqis, except in the addled imaginations of leftoid traitors.”

    You’re a clueless dickhead. Guess what, genius? WWII was called a “world war,” because it involved an entire planet at war with each other. The illegal republiCON occupation of Iraq was nothing even remotely close. I haven’t a clue why you continue attempting to make the comparison. I can only assume that you’re so utterly clueless that, in your feeble, twisted little sickfuck mind, they’re somehow the same.

    “So, spare me your phony angst, and your absurdly inflated casualty figures.”

    Go fuck yourself with a jagged, rusty pipe, wingnut. You’re a fucking disease and a terrible scourge on this planet.

    “Now, be a good little lefty traitor and find some new despots and terrorists to worship, because your pals in Iraq have had their asses royally kicked, and cheerleading for them is a waste of every good lil’ lefty traitor’s valuable traitor-time.

    Now, be a good little brownshirt, nazi wingnut ass clown, and find some more innocent women and children to murder. 1.2 million surely can’t be enough to satisfy your sickfuck obsession, can it? I hear Satan calling you, dumb fuck. Better run along. I’ve finished kicking your sorry, pathetic little, murderous, anti-American wingnut ass, and so is the rest of the country. We’re sick to death of you fucking dickless, mindless fuckheads, and have FINALLY sent your disease of a political party packing to the sidelines for the next generation or two. Enjoy the view, peckerhead. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Fucking loser.

  170. 170zombie on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:43 am:

    #166spiderbucket:

    I’m not rewriting history — you idiots are rewriting history. Despite all the lies and spin and hate spewed out by you and the rest of the Left, the undeniable reality on the ground is that we won. Whether you like it or not. (Obviously “not” — you prefer defeat.) Everything I said in my essay predicting the liberal response has come true.

    Notice how not a single comment from any of these drive-by moonbat trolls disputes or even mentions ANY of the facts in my essay. Because they know they can’t win on facts. They just keep repeating the same mantra over and over, “The US is bad, we lost, bad, lost, BAD LOST!!!” as if by repetition they can make it true.

  171. 171Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:44 am:

    You’re all kidding about a victory in Iraq day, right? I have a better idea. Why don’t we have a “Mission Accomplished” day?

  172. 172zombie on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:45 am:

    #168 Joe:

    Oh, I see, you and you alone get to dictate what counts as victory. OK. Glad to know who’s in charge here! All hail Joe, Determiner of Victory Conditions!

  173. 173Waters on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:48 am:

    Somehow Zombie seems fitting as this site is truly brain dead……….

  174. 174zombie on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:51 am:

    #169 Anonymous: I’m leaving your comment there exactly as is to show the world how loving and kind liberals are. Beautifully written! Artfully crafted.

  175. 175zombie on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:55 am:

    #171 Anonymous
    #173 Waters

    I’m trying to figure out which America-hating Leftist blog linked to us, sending all these trolls our way. On which site did you find a link to the VI Day essay?

  176. 176Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:05 am:

    We’re not trolls. We’re the majority. You he-man fact-haters in your laptop-equipped treehouse are members of a rapidly shrinking minority – thank GOD. After five long years, our efforts to awaken America to this war crime in iraq committed by the Bush White House have borne fruit.

    Tell you what: Go up to everyone you meet today – on the street and at work – and tell them we won in Iraq. Then tell us the responses. And tell the truth.

  177. 177Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:10 am:

    “So, you guys are responsible for the death of thousands of our GI’s…”

    And, “you guys” are responsible for the deaths of 600,000 Americans killed in WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam.

    So, what’s your point?

    Am I supposed to support the liberal Democrats because they get (more than) a hundred times more Americans killed in foreign wars than the Republicans do?

    I don’t think so.

  178. 178Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:13 am:

    Leave the comment as is, zombie. We are sick of playing nice with you delusional, irrational fools any more. We tried reason, facts, logic. NOTHING worked. You supported Bush’s insane, needless Iraq war. You stood by while he looted the Treasury and let Wall Street run wild. Now look at the catastrophe Bush has left us. The US may NEVER recover.

    EVERY Bush supporter should have a scarlet “B” branded on his or her forehead, so that two years from now we know whose ass to kick while we’re waiting in line at the soup kitchen.

  179. 179zombie on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:16 am:

    #178 Anonymous:
    I prefer a yellow star sewn on my sleeve, rather than a scarlet B on my forehead.

  180. 180zombie on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:21 am:

    #176 Anonymous:
    “Tell you what: Go up to everyone you meet today – on the street and at work – and tell them we won in Iraq. Then tell us the responses. And tell the truth.”

    Hey, I live in the most liberal part of the United States, The people I meet all look like this. I already know what they’d say. They’d say America needs to be destroyed so a dictatorship of the proletariat can bring social justice to the world.

  181. 181Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 1:05 pm:

    “Go fuck yourself with a jagged, rusty pipe, wingnut. You’re a fucking disease and a terrible scourge on this planet.”

    These left wing, liberal Democrat mass-murdering (you libby wibbies killed more civilians in one day at Hiroshima than have been killed by our troops in five years of fighting in Iraq…you are some SERIOUS civilian killers) traitors are testy little rascals.

    I guess they’re still hurting because their Baathist and terrorist allies in Iraq have taken a solid ass-kicking.

    I feel for ya, lefties.

    Not.

  182. 182Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 1:19 pm:

    SAYIN SUMTHIN DONT MAKE IT SO. GET REEL IDYUTS.

  183. 183Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 1:19 pm:

    “1.2 million surely can’t be enough to satisfy your sickfuck obsession, can it?”

    LOL.

    Sure, left loon. 2.5 million Japanese out of a population of 72 million were killed in the all-out bloodbath of the 1937-45 war (including hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians burned alive by you peace-loving liberals), and 1.2. million Iraqis out of a population of 25 million have been killed in five years of mickey mouse fighting in Iraq.

    If you say so.

  184. 184Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 1:39 pm:

    “We tried reason, facts, logic.”

    You tried lies, lies, lies to help your Baathist friends and their terrorist proxies…and you are still trying it, when it’s way too late.

    Saddam Hussein and his foul spawn are dead, the Baathists are destroyed. Their days of trying to shoot down American aircraft are over, much as you traitors on the left wish they weren’t. Iraqi-backed terrorists Abu Abbas and Abu Nidal are staring up at six feet of dirt for eternity. They’ll never again be able to murder Americans, and the Americans they did kill, like Leon Klinghoffer and Rajesh Kumar are finally avenged.

    And, there is NOTHING you can do about it, traitor. Not even your new messiah can change all that.

    Mission accomplished. Happy VI Day.

    Choke on it.

  185. 185zombie on Nov 25, 2008 at 1:44 pm:

    #183 Dave Surls:

    You’re making the mistake of taking their claims seriously. Protesters in the SF Bay Area, based on “studies” done by Marxist professors, were claiming in 2003 that 1 million Iraqis had been killed before the war even started, due to the Clinton economic sanctions, which were all Bush’s fault, because (I suppose) Bush has a time machine and went back to 1994 and was responsible for starting them.

    I think the “1.2 million” number they toss around must include the 1 million “dead” due to the economic sanctions.

    The Lancet study, on which all of the figures are fundamentally based, was debunked fifteen times up and down from here to Timbuktu. It was nothing but a political hit job, and everyone (who doesn’t drink the Kos Kool-Aid) knows it.

    99% of the civilian deaths were caused by the “insurgents,” i.e. terrorists, who are actually the allies of our delightful Mr. Anonymous.

  186. 186zombie on Nov 25, 2008 at 1:58 pm:

    After reading the comments of those here opposed to VI Day, I’ve been converted! We should never have invaded Iraq. I mean, Saddam Hussein would have died of old age eventually, right? Then the country would have been controlled by his sons Uday and Qusay Hussein, and we know how much of an improvement they would have been — right? I mean, Qusay only exterminated 75% of the Marsh Arabs, which proves how forgiving he was. And Uday never had more than 50 sex slaves at any given time, which shows he was devoted to the principle of moderation. And hoo-boy, that Uday, what an entertainer he was! When he pulped the skull and then used an electric carving knife to cut off the face of Saddam’s royal food taster, in front of a banquet full of Middle Eastern dignitaries, he got a standing ovation!

    Yes, we could have had years of peace and harmony for decades to come under an Uday and Qusay regime, and that damn Bush had to go and mess everything up.

  187. 187Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 2:59 pm:

    “I think the “1.2 million” number they toss around includes the 1 million “dead” due to the economic sanctions.”

    Actually, zombie, the morons are saying 1 million or more killed by sanctions (total nonsense) PLUS 1.2 million killed SINCE the 2003 invasion (more total nonsense). Anyone who has even a casual familiarity with military history knows that these claims are utterly absurd. Hell, just looking at pictures out of Iraq over the years and employing a little common sense ought to tell you that.

    Based on a lifetime of studying military history, including extensive studies of CASUALTY RATES in various military operations, my guess would be that total civilian casualties in Iraq are somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000. This number is in line with the numbers given by Iraq Body Count, an anti-war group that relies on newspaper reports, etc. for its casualty figures, instead of on “studies” that employ methods that are not only proven to produce totally unreliable numbers, but that are being conducted by people who have a vested interest in NOT telling the truth…like Les Roberts who conducted the infamous Lancet “study” in collusion with members of Saddam Hussein’s military, and with the stated purpose of subverting the war effort! The 50,000-100,000 estimate would include a large majority that were simply murdered in cold blood by the various insurgent groups as opposed to people killed in actual combat operations. The number of civilians killed by our side in military operations is probably in the thousands.

    Unfortunately, civilian casualties in any war are inevitable, but the numbers in this war are pretty low.

    The study method employed to come up with the absurd numbers given for people supposedly killed by the sanctions and by the subsequent invasion was totally discredited as is discussed in this article…

    ‘The grim question of how many people have died in Iraq has sparked heated debate over the years. The controversy dates from 1995, when researchers with a Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO) study in Iraq wrote to The Lancet, the journal of the British Medical Society, asserting that sanctions were responsible for the deaths of 567,000 Iraqi children. The New York Times picked up the story and declared “Iraq Sanctions Kill Children.” CBS followed up with a segment on 60 Minutes that repeated the numbers and depicted sanctions as a murderous assault on children. This was the program in which UN ambassador (and later Secretary of State) Madeleine Albright, when asked about these numbers, coldly stated, “The price is worth it.”‘

    ‘Albright’s comments were shocking, as were the numbers, but doubts were soon raised about their validity. A January 1996 letter to The Lancet found inconsistencies in the mortality figures. A follow-up study in 1996, using the same methodology, found much lower rates of child mortality. In October 1997 the authors of the initial letter wrote again to The Lancet, this time reporting that mortality rates in the follow-up study were “several-fold lower than the estimate for 1995–for unknown reasons.” While the initial report of more than 567,000 deaths attracted major news coverage, the subsequent disavowal of those numbers passed unnoticed in the press.’

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011203/cortright

    “Unknown reasons”, my eye. We know exactly what the reasons were. What happened when the FAO did its follow up study is they found out that MOST of the Iraqis they’d interviewed in their child mortality study had LIED (namely, the first time the FAO asked them if their baby had died the interviewees said “yes”, and when the FAO asked them the same question later, they said “no”), and that the study method is therefore completely, totally and utterly invalid. It CANNOT be relied on to produce accurate numbers. This is exactly the same method used in the Les Roberts and ORB studies. Not only is this not a reliable method, but the people at the Lancet KNOW it isn’t reliable. They were the ones who published the FAO study in the first place, so they know damn well that the survey method employed is completely worthless. They’re not interested in finding out the truth, however, what they’re interested in doing is spewing anti-American propaganda, so the fact that the method employed doesn’t work is of no concern to them.

  188. 188Bert on Nov 25, 2008 at 4:55 pm:

    How nice, a whole page of slurs. Victory!!!

  189. 189Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 5:10 pm:

    “How nice, a whole page of slurs. Victory!!!”

    Actually, it was quite civil, until someone kicked over a rock and a bunch of leftoid cockroaches came scurrying in.

  190. 190Bert on Nov 25, 2008 at 5:37 pm:

    Leftoid cockroaches is very nice, more victory!

  191. 191Bert on Nov 25, 2008 at 6:06 pm:

    In fact it only took until the 12th post before the name calling began.

  192. 192Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 6:44 pm:

    We are the ones who have been the force of “tyranny, oppression and terror” in Iraq you yoyo. The invasion and occupation of Iraq is a needless war based on LIES. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, had no weapons of mass destruction and nothing to give to terrorists even if they wanted to (which they didn’t; Saddam and Osama bin Laden despised eachother). Because of the lies of George W. Bush over 4000 Americans have died needlessly in Iraq and probably a million Iraqis are dead for no reason. Oh, and we’ve wasted hundreds of billions of taxpayers dollars. Do you wonder why much of the world hates America? It’s not our freedom they hate, it’s our foreign policy. When the right wing was against Clinton’s military intervention in Kosovo it was fine to question the president’s wisdom. Now, with a Republican president, the right wing says it’s unpatriotic to question the wisdom of the president in regards to foreign interventions. What hypocrites!

  193. 193Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 7:01 pm:

    this blog sucks, right wing losers.

  194. 194Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 8:14 pm:

    So, let’s see now! Today is the 25th of Nov. and there was only 80 Iraqis that were blown up and killed. Quite the “victory”. If you just want to feel good, why not go and take a warm shower. How many of you were here on the last go-a-round in Asia? If you weren’t around then, you should stop your “victory roles” and be quiet. If you were, and you think that this fiasco was worth it, you have my condolances.

  195. 195KSH on Nov 25, 2008 at 8:21 pm:

    Dave Surls: “Not only is it a total victory, but it’s a cheaply won victory. We’ve lost fewer guys killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2003 (around 4800) then we lost in a month at Iwo Jima in 1945 (around 6800). That’s partly because George Bush is about a hundred times better president than that pos Roosevelt [...]”

    It’s primarily because trauma medicine/surgery and military transportation have undergone revolutionary advances in the interceding 63 years. Thank goodness!

    Interestingly, these improvements have also made the murder rate in the US decrease, while violent crime rates have skyrocketed. See British Medical Journal 2002;325:615 http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/615/a – other research also shows this.

  196. 196Ken on Nov 25, 2008 at 9:39 pm:

    “From what I’ve read, North Korean soldiers may indeed, as you note, be the best fed people in the country, but their caloric intake and protein consumption is still quite small compared to that of any other military in the world”

    A funny conicidence: I know a guy who used to serve in the Chinese Army and he participated in some dam building project in North Korea alongside the North Korean Army. He regaled me with tales of how they practically lived in a lap of luxury and had “everything better than we (Chinese soldiers) did…uniforms, food, everything.” That’s a verbatim quote. I don’t think it’s accurate to compare their food intake to Western soldiers, seeing as how the traditional Asian meal is usually much smaller than what we’d eat in America, and not just in North Korea. Anyway, it’s probably not totally accurate to say they’re on a “starvation diet” in the NK Army. They seem to have it pretty well, as far as I can tell. Remember: the Army gets the bulk of NK’s national budget.

    “Obviously we would not attempt such a thing without first getting clearance from China ahead of time”

    Don’t even count on it. Not in a million years would China give its consent to an American-led invasion of North Korea that would 1) result in tons of NK refugees flooding into China and 2) put American troops within a few hundred miles of Chinese territory. Not gonna happen.

    “The US has no reason whatsoever to invade China, and China knows that”

    Ask any Chinese who China’s biggest threat is and they’ll say America. The Chinese would never accept American troops so close to their borders, nor would they be comfortable with such a radical American-led reinvention of Asia.

    “assent to a ‘take down’ of the North Korean regime. It would even be to China’s advangtage, at this stage of history, to have a unified Korea on its border, as a trade partner”

    You’re looking at it from an American’s perspective, which, while understandable and plausible, is totally different from how the Chinese see it, I think. If China wouldn’t back America’s war in Iraq or Afghanistan, I’m pretty sure they would never consent to something similar so close to home, even if it might work to their benefit in the long run. Consenting to something like that would also piss off the vast vast vast vast majority of Chinese people who are, to say the least, very left-leaning.

  197. 197Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:28 pm:

    “The invasion and occupation of Iraq is a needless war based on LIES.”

    No, it wasn’t

    “Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11″

    Not one of our reasons for invading Iraq.

    “had no weapons of mass destruction”

    Yes, they did.

  198. 198Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:02 pm:

    “When the right wing was against Clinton’s military intervention in Kosovo it was fine to question the president’s wisdom.”

    That’s because Clinton was an idiot. It doesn’t make any sense to start fighting a country that never lifted a finger against the United States while state sponsors of terrorism, regimes that took part in the murder of U.S. citizens (like the Baathists in Iraq), and the terrorists themselves are allowed to continue to exist.

    Also, Clinton’s bombing of the FRY, unlike the war in Iraq, was a flagrant violation of the U.N. Charter, if you’re the sort of person who gives a hoot about international law.

    The Clinton administration also made war on Iraq from 1993-2001 which is fine, because they were actually an ENEMY, but he didn’t accomplish a damned thing, except to kill a bunch of Iraqis, which isn’t fine. After all the air strikes against Iraq by Clinton, the Baathists were still in power, they were still supporting terrorists (some of whom were even in Iraq), and the Iraqis continued to constantly fire on American aircraft.

    He was a total bozo. Not fit to shine George Bush’s shoes.

  199. 199Skip Smith on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:07 pm:

    What has happened to this site? Recently there’s been an abrupt shift from relatively even-handed citizen reporting to weird conspiracy theories and hard right fantasies. Did the original “zombie” hand this blog off to someone new without telling us?

  200. 200Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:16 pm:

    “Today is the 25th of Nov. and there was only 80 Iraqis that were blown up and killed.”

    Whoop-di-do. What’s that have to do with whether or not we won the war?

    Nothing.

    You know how many people were killed in Europe after WWII ended? Try millions. Does that mean we lost?

    Not likely.

  201. 201Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:33 pm:

    “hard right fantasies.”

    I’ll tell you what isn’t a hard right “fantasy”. We went into Iraq intending to destroy the Baathist regime, just like we went into Germany to destroy the Nazi regime, and we did what we intended, and that is a total, and complete victory, just as complete as our victory over the Nazis.

    And, no amount of left wing lying is going to change the fact that we won the war, big time.

  202. 202Truth on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:39 pm:

    What a load of propaganda.

    The troops are mostly hated over there and the people are only civil as they are unarmed.

    No mention of the torture or any negatives.

    See below for some of the things that go on behind the scenes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TQdgyEapvw

  203. 203Dave Surls on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:50 pm:

    “The troops are mostly hated over there and the people are only civil as they are unarmed.”

    Maybe so, and maybe no, but that has nothing to do with the fact that we won the war.

  204. 204Skip Smith on Nov 26, 2008 at 3:25 am:

    I was asking a serious question. The “zombie” posting now bears little resemblance to the zombie of a couple of years ago.

    Has this blog changed ownership recently? Is zombie playing an elaborate joke on us by acting like a right-wing parody of the left-wing crazies s/he used to skewer on this site? WTF has happened to this place?

  205. 205Skip Smith on Nov 26, 2008 at 3:33 am:

    Update: this must be a hoax, kind of like another hoax covered on this very site …

    http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=3

  206. 206Dave Surls on Nov 26, 2008 at 5:41 am:

    “Update: this must be a hoax…”

    I can hardly wait to hear what the hoax is.

  207. 207Soothsayer on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:41 am:

    So we were murderers in WW2 but noble liberators in Iraq? You people are truly nuts.

    Happy Thanksgiving. Now that ADULTS are back in charge at the White House, our troops stuck in Iraq will soon be enjoying their holidays at HOME once more.

  208. 208Dave Surls on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:05 pm:

    “So we were murderers in WW2 but noble liberators in Iraq? You people are truly nuts.”

    You liberal Democrats sure liberated the hell out of Hiroshima.

  209. 209Soothsayer on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:42 pm:

    Meanwhile, jubilant Iraqis celebrate the US “victory” in Iraq by mowing down two US troops on a humanitarian mission . . .

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/11/25/iraq.soldiers/index.html

  210. 210zombie on Nov 26, 2008 at 1:07 pm:

    #209 Soothsayer

    I’m sure reading that story must have brought you great joy, as does news of any American soldier getting killed.

    If you bothered to read my essay, this very issue is addressed, but since you didn’t, there’s no point in even talking with you.

  211. 211zombie on Nov 26, 2008 at 1:10 pm:

    #199 + 204 Skip Smith:

    I’m so sorry I didn’t consult with you before making postings on my site. Next time I’ll know better and ask your permission before deciding what to write about.

    Zombietime has never been about one kind of thing. I do photo reports; I do investigations; I write essays; I arrange contests; I assemble archives; and so forth. It has always been that way, if you bothered to pay attention. I’m always experimenting. If you don’t like it, you can find entertainment elsewhere on the Internet. No one is forcing you to torture yourself by reading my demented “hard-right conspiracy theories.”

  212. 212Dave Surls on Nov 26, 2008 at 1:27 pm:

    “Meanwhile, jubilant Iraqis celebrate the US “victory”…”

    The losers in a war usually don’t do a whole lot of celebrating, nitwit.

  213. 213Galloglasses on Nov 26, 2008 at 1:35 pm:

    Thanks for posting this Zombie. But I have to say that the war isn’t fully won, on the home front I mean.

    I mean, just look at the warzone this comment thread turned out to be, sheesh.

  214. 214Jared on Nov 26, 2008 at 2:08 pm:

    You gotta feel sorry for the little liberals that trotted in here, armed with their talking points and their righteous indignation. It must be a miserable existence to be that insane 24/7, especially #169 – good God, that person needs meds.

    But I don’t really hate them – it’s mostly the Dem bigwigs and their thinktanks that create the propaganda. Then they feed it to their little liberals. And the little liberals munch on the propaganda for their daily meal of hate directed at the Enemy of the Day. It gives their little lives meaning and substance. So maybe we should thank Pelosi, Reid, Clinton.

    Because without the sense of meaning given to them by their Dem Overlords, they’d probably have shot themselves long ago. Hmmm…although that’s not necessarily a bad thing..

  215. 215Anonymous on Nov 26, 2008 at 3:05 pm:

    I can’t believe this is serious. You’re all ridiculous.

  216. 216Dave Surls on Nov 26, 2008 at 3:09 pm:

    “You gotta feel sorry for the little liberals…”

    Funny, all I feel is contempt, disgust and revulsion.

  217. 217Anonymous on Nov 26, 2008 at 5:25 pm:

    Let’s go down the line. How many of you have actually been in combat? No bullshit here. Just be honest. And I don’t mean in some bar brawl. Next, how many of you have been wounded? Last, but not the least, how many of you still have the nightmares?
    Kind of what I thought. Unless you’ve had the smell and taste of war blasted through every inch of your body, just shut up. Especially you, “mister I’ve studied military history”. Next time try living it in real time. You are disgusting.
    From :100% disabled

  218. 218Dave Surls on Nov 26, 2008 at 6:20 pm:

    “How many of you have actually been in combat?”

    The following commanders-in-chief never served a day in the armed forces: Woody Wilson, FDR, Slick Willy, and, of course, the guy who’s just about to be inaugurated has never been within a country mile of a war. If they’re qualified to LEAD the armed forces, then I reckon we’re qualified to COMMENT on military operations.

    And, by the way, I don’t take orders from you, sonny boy. The only person that’s going to tell me to shut up here is zombie.

    IOW…kiss my ass.

  219. 219zombie on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:06 pm:

    #217 Anonymous:

    So, you’re claiming that only combat veterans have the right to comment on foreign affairs?

    OK, that applies to everyone then. Since 95% of liberals and war-critics are guaranteed to have never been anywhere near the military, much less in a war, then they can all shut up too.

    According to you, only combat veterans can speak to the Iraq War; yet in the recent election, polling suggested that over 75% of current military members and recent Iraq vets supported the war and supported McCain, so the preponderance of relevant public opinion, according to your criteria, supports the war effort.

    Thanks for pointing out that the war critics all need to shut up, since their opinions are irrelevant.

    /(Oh wait, you weren’t trying to play the “Chickenhawk!” card again, were you? Sorry, that one expired about 50 years ago.)

  220. 220Anonymous on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:29 pm:

    Discovering this site makes me feel like a biologist who just discovered a new species, except in this case, it’s a new species of moron. I had no idea idiots like you dwelled among us in such large numbers.

  221. 221Dave Surls on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:53 pm:

    “Discovering this site makes me feel like…”

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  222. 222Jared on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29 pm:

    “Discovering this site makes me feel like a biologist who just discovered a new species, except in this case, it’s a new species of moron. I had no idea idiots like you dwelled among us in such large numbers.”

    Discovering you is disappointing and somewhat repulsive. Yet another brainwashed idiot who believes the garbage shoved down his throat – how pathetic.

  223. 223Anonymous on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:40 pm:

    No need for breakfast at McDonald’s for a while, wingnuts. You’ve got enough egg on your faces from this ridiculous declaration of victory in Iraq to nourish yourselves for a year.

  224. 224Dave Surls on Nov 26, 2008 at 11:30 pm:

    “ridiculous declaration of victory in Iraq”

    Your side (Baath/terrorist/leftist traitor) lost. Ourr side (American/Allied) won.

    Sorry you’re having emotional difiiculties over your painful defeat.

    Hint: The fact that your leader, Saddam Hussein, was hung is a pretty good sign that your side took it in the shorts…loser.

  225. 225Dave Surls on Nov 26, 2008 at 11:35 pm:

    “No need for breakfast at McDonald’s…”

    I assume that’s a lefty’s idea of gourmet dining.

    Those welfare checks don’t go too far, do they?

  226. 226Anonymous on Nov 27, 2008 at 12:26 am:

    there is a reason why your website is named ‘zombietime”

  227. 227Dave Surls on Nov 27, 2008 at 2:12 am:

    ‘there is a reason why your website is named ‘zombietime”’

    And, now we have a lefty rocket scientist, who, after months of study, has just discovered that the site is called “zombietime” because it is zombie’s website.

    Sharp boys, these lefties.

  228. 228GWB on Nov 27, 2008 at 8:26 am:

    ““Far more innocent people were killed in just a few bombing raids carried out by you liberal Democrat mass-murderers in WWII”

    Hey, guess what, asswipe? That war was legal and morally justified.”

    So was this one. Like it or not, the democrats in congress voted FOR the conflict back in 2003.

    and unlike all of you, I have proof

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Resolution_to_Authorize_the_Use_of_United_States_Armed_Forces_Against_Iraq

  229. 229Dave Surls on Nov 27, 2008 at 11:51 am:

    From the resolution…

    “Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;”

    Even though the Iraqis attacked the United States over and over and over again,

    “Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;”

    and even though Iraqi backed and based terrorists had attacked and KILLED American citizens, a bunch of punks in our Congress (just about all Democrats) still voted AGAINST the resolution.

    The scumbags.

    And, there was nothing illegal or immoral about us fighting against a despotic dictatorship that had slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people, AND had also repeatedly attacked the United States and killed our citizens.

    And, the liberal Democrats and the scum who vote for the liberal Democrats aren’t in any position to talk about legality and morality after what they did in WWII, Vietnam (using chemical agents to poison crops is a big fat war crime), the Bay of Pigs and Serbia.

    The hypocrites.

  230. 230Skip Smith on Nov 27, 2008 at 3:39 pm:

    Wow zombie. I remember when you used to have a sense of humor. Now you’re just a mirror image of the loonies you used to mock.

  231. 231Skip Smith on Nov 27, 2008 at 3:48 pm:

    Correction: the new guy is a mirror image of the loonies this site used to mock.

    When did the original zombie retire? There’s no way the person posting now is the same person that ran this site a few years ago.

  232. 232Ken on Nov 27, 2008 at 4:03 pm:

    Although Zombie has the right to write whatever he or she wants on his or her own blog, I’m gonna have to agree with Skip, there. This site was once actually very humorous and informative. It’s still one of my favorite sites, but, IMHO, the last few reports have been lacking greatly. Well-written and well-thought out, but just not what I’ve come to expect from Zombie. Oh well.

  233. 233GWB on Nov 27, 2008 at 4:17 pm:

    “IMHO, the last few reports have been lacking greatly. Well-written and well-thought out, but just not what I’ve come to expect from Zombie. Oh well.”

    well, in his defense, after the Tree sit article, Zombie was mainly doing articles about the election, and this one was a very big deal, as history would have been made either way (First black Pres or first woman V.P.). I believe that Zombie, as a journalist, felt an obligation to cover it.

    And it’s not like he’ll declare victory in Iraq every week.

  234. 234Dave Surls on Nov 27, 2008 at 7:58 pm:

    A commie agrees with Skip.

    Well, that settle that.

    If you could only get a Nazi in on the act, you would really be impressive.

  235. 235Ken on Nov 27, 2008 at 10:55 pm:

    “If you could only get a Nazi in on the act, you would really be impressive”

    Great idea, Dave. Are you free?

    I mean, what with actual, honest-to-God-goosestepping Nazis being in short supply these days, I think we could still make do with a hypocritical, jingoistic ultra-nationalist like yourself. Close enough, wouldn’t you say?

  236. 236Dave Surls on Nov 27, 2008 at 11:05 pm:

    “Great idea, Dave. Are you free?”

    Sorry Ken, I don’t associate with commies, or Nazis.

    Being part of mass-murder cults doesn’t appeal to me.

  237. 237Dave Surls on Nov 28, 2008 at 2:51 pm:

    “hypocritical”

    Lefties are pretty hypocritical all right. One minute they’re killing hundreds of thousands of civilians with high explosives, napalm and atomic bombs, and the next minute they’re comparing George Bush to Adolf Hitler because a few captured terrorists had their heads ducked under water.

  238. 238Bakunin on Nov 28, 2008 at 4:05 pm:

    Have we not learned the lessons of Somalia? The warlords lay low, had relative calm until U.S. and U.N. troops pulled out. After they did, they tore that country apart. These people have what Americans do not, and it’s the most dangerous concept to American Democracy ever : The Long Memory. Terrorists does not forgive and they do not forget. For anyone to declare victory anywhere is dangerous to the battle.

    We have been told that Iraq is a front in the War on Terror. It is a war on a tactic and a war on an ideal. It will never be over. Not even a fake internet declaration of victory will settle it.

  239. 239Dave Surls on Nov 28, 2008 at 6:36 pm:

    “RICHMOND, Va. (WJZ/AP) ― Reports started surfacing Friday morning of American casualties in the violence that has been plaguing Mumbai, India at the hand of gunmen for nearly three days. At least four Americans, including a Virginia father and his daughter with Maryland ties, are reportedly among the victims in India.”

    “Alan Scherr, 58, and daughter Naomi, 13, from a Virginia community that promotes a form of meditation, were among those killed in the terrorist attacks in India, a colleague said Friday.”

    There ya go, lefties. There’s some new terrorists you can start cheering for, now that Saddam, and Uday and Qusay. and Abu Nidal, and Abu Abbas, and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi are all dead.

    You traitors couldn’t help those guys, and your asses are beat in Iraq, but don’t despair; here’s a new crew you can start feeling sorry for over in India.

    I know you skanky liberals and commies are going to love these guys, because they killed a 13 year old American girl. That ought to make them real freedom-fighting heroes in your book.

    Sure, the war in Iraq is over, and your side lost, but there’s the whole rest of the world in which you can still betray your country and plenty of other theaters of war where you can help terrorists kill American kids.

    Don’t wait for American military operations to start before you organize your first “anti-war” protest. Get in on the ground floor and show your support for the Mumbai terrorists today!

  240. 240Skip Smith on Nov 28, 2008 at 9:07 pm:

    Remember what zombietime used to be like?

    http://www.protestshooter.com/20081128BlackFriday/

  241. 241Dave Surls on Nov 28, 2008 at 9:53 pm:

    Jesus, Skip.

    I’ll take some pictures of my long-haired hippie friends, and e-mail them to you, if you’ll just give it a rest.

  242. 242Skip Smith on Nov 29, 2008 at 12:03 am:

    The guy who has half the posts in this thread just asked someone else to give it a rest. Funny.

  243. 243E-Daddy on Nov 29, 2008 at 12:22 am:

    Responding to post 71′s “armchair” quarterbacking comments, I can say this. Shinseki’s comments weren’t armchair quarterbacking, they were made before we invaded. Similar, Gen. Suarez recommended taking out al Sadr in 2004, not after the fact, and Sadr was kept in place because Washington didn’t want to start a second front against Shi’ite terrorists during the election campaign that year. Nor am I arm-chair quarterbacking. I fought in the first Gulf War and have served in Iraq with the UN during the current war, and have held such views since before we invaded in 2003. (Which, by the way, I supported, just as I supported ending the Saddam regime in 1991 when I was in southern Iraq with the Army.)

    Bush is neither evil or stupid, as many liberals claim. He has tried to do the right and honorable thing and will get more credit from history than his low standings currently show. But facts are facts, and in my opinion it cannot be credibly denied that he has showed repeated contempt for the guidance he received from our military leadership, and ignored their advice again and again. That is a view shared by many in the military today.

  244. 244Dave Surls on Nov 29, 2008 at 1:37 am:

    “The guy who has half the posts in this thread just asked someone else to give it a rest. Funny.”

    1. With those kind of counting skills, you could get a job at the Lancet.

    2. I’m not saying the EXACT same thing in post after post.

  245. 245ProtestShooter on Nov 29, 2008 at 3:58 pm:

    Skip: It’s actually been very slow protest-wise. A lot of people were working on various elections, and weren’t holding regular events. There were also very few election related events since CA wasn’t a swing state. Since the election most of the action has been one or two isolated anti-war protests (one of which Zombie covered at the USMC office) but primarily stuff in relationship to prop 8 – the gay marriage bill. I haven’t been able to make it to a prop 8 protest – they’ve mostly been kind of last minute and splintered here, not like the ones in southern CA (see Ringo’s excellent coverage at http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20081115 ). Many groups protested on Black Friday but looking at the calendar I don’t see a whole lot before the end of the year.

  246. 246Ken on Nov 29, 2008 at 4:38 pm:

    Hey Surls, get a life, you moron. I can’t believe how much time you spend on this website, replying to every single comment. It’s so fucking pathetic. Go get a job. Or a girlfriend.

  247. 247Dave Surls on Nov 30, 2008 at 2:42 am:

    I frequently criticize our wars in Korea and Vietnam, but one good thing did come out of those wars, and that’s the deaths of hundreds of thousands of communists.

    Gotta give the liberal Democrats some credit for that.

  248. 248DoubleU on Nov 30, 2008 at 5:09 am:

    Zombie,
    Saw this and thought you might like it.
    http://www.loleg.com/blog/2008/11/27/8931/

  249. 249Ken on Nov 30, 2008 at 3:53 pm:

    “and that’s the deaths of hundreds of thousands of communists”

    Not that you’d know anything about that, you douchebag keyboard warrior.

    How come you’re not in Iraq now, Dave? Why don’t you put your life on the line for that noble war and its lofty ideals? Hey, you could have been the first in your outfit to grease a raghead!

  250. 250Dave Surls on Nov 30, 2008 at 6:08 pm:

    Re: Lefty cowards

    “With layer upon layer of misrepresentation, exaggeration, and outright lies, George W. Bush and his war cabinet have recklessly flung our nation into an illegitimate, illegal, and unnecessary war.”–CPUSA, 2003.

    Just not “illegitimate, illegal, and uneccessary” enough for any western commie, or any other sort of scumbag leftist, to sign up and fight against fascist, imperialist America, alongside the insugents.

    They’re all mouth, no balls.

    Everyone knows that the only thing American lefties will fight for is a place at the head of the line down at the welfare office.

    Of course, the fact that these treacherous dogs are all abject cowards, is the ONLY reason NOT to shoot them down like the rabid animals they are. Still, even though they aren’t much of a physical threat, western commies are still a pure waste of o2, and anyone who caps a commie is doing the world a favor.

    P.S. Have a nice day, Kenny girl.

  251. 251Ken on Nov 30, 2008 at 11:10 pm:

    You still didn’t answer my question:

    why aren’t YOU there?

  252. 252Skip Smith on Dec 1, 2008 at 2:52 am:

    Hey Protestshooter,

    OK, I was wondering at the sudden lack of coverage of protests. I was worried that zombie was changing formats, but I see now there’s coverage of the same protest you shot up on this site. I still think zombie has lost his/her sense of humor about the crazies, though.

  253. 253Matthew on Dec 1, 2008 at 7:37 am:

    I was wondering what your response to the report of some NPR journalists whose car was bombed in Iraq yesterday. The report also states that there were 108 bombings last month with 148 casualties. This doesn’t quite mesh with the relatively peaceful image you seem to be pushing.

  254. 254Dave Surls on Dec 1, 2008 at 12:40 pm:

    “I was wondering what your response to the report of some NPR journalists whose car was bombed in Iraq yesterday.”

    Obviously, the Iraqis object to NPR programming.

    Who can blame them?

    “Either because of the makeup of the bomb or because of the solidity of the armored vehicle, the explosion did not hurl any shrapnel into the crowd standing nearby. In fact, the blast did not even damage several cartons of eggs lying on a street vendor’s table on the sidewalk just six feet from the BMW.”

    The bombing of Dresden was a tea party compared to this sort of stuff.

  255. 255Anonymous on Dec 1, 2008 at 4:51 pm:

    hell yea its true victory in iraq! i was a marine in najaf from may 04 to feb 05 and the media is just anti american pro terrorist bitches who misled the world. theres so much good that comes from iraq but the news dont report it. its sad to know that are own people who we protect from terrorist have betrayed us. but thats ok i nkow what we did and thats all that matters no matter what some terrorist lovin coward says. i laugh at people who think they know what is going on in the war, but the closest thing they have come to the war is sittin on the couch watchin it on cnn. then they go out and repeat that anti american crap like they know what there talkin about. i dont really listen to that crap. everything i know about iraq i HAVE DONE PERSONALLY and not just once or twice im talkin about on a daily basis. but if that bitch obama declares the war a failure it wont matter because we have beat down ALL terrorist groups in iraq and set up a iraqi government which now it to powerfull militarily to be overthrown. thats all that matters. when i was over i killed two terrorist, one mhadi and one muj. i am very proud of that because no because of me and the military in general there is alot of terrorist that cannot come to the u.s. and kill our friends and family, because they are dead. so obama, your a day late and a dollar short on defeating America. and another thing we helped build tons of moscs, roads, schools, and hospitals in iraq. i tell you this today, i have handed out more stuffed animals to little kids total than rounds i fired from my weapon. and thats the truth.

  256. 256Anonymous on Dec 1, 2008 at 9:46 pm:

    Bush admits he was “unprepared for war.” STILL think the history books will still look kindly on this moron?

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/story?id=6354012&page=1

  257. 257Dave Surls on Dec 1, 2008 at 10:53 pm:

    “STILL think the history books will still look kindly on this moron?”

    You never know, but since most historians are deluded enough to believe that FDR was a great president and Warren Harding was a terrible president, I doubt it.

  258. 258Jared on Dec 2, 2008 at 9:43 am:

    “Bush admits he was “unprepared for war.” STILL think the history books will still look kindly on this moron?”

    Wow – what a shocker. We were unprepared for war. Yeah, I’m flabbergasted at that ‘confession’. Lol. What smoking gun will the libs ‘discover’ next?

    It’s not about Bush. It’s about whether or not eliminating Saddam was the right move – it WAS. Unequivocally, wholeheartedly, 100%, the correct move. If we weren’t there, far MORE people would have died.

    Do I wish we could do this in every dictatorship? ABSOLUTELY. And anyone who says otherwise is bigoted. Don’t tell people living in oppression they don’t have the right to be free. Anyone who says that is a racist.

  259. 259Soothsayer on Dec 2, 2008 at 10:19 am:

    Bush says we “liberated” Iraq and freed millions. Iraq was not occupied by a foreign power until we invaded. How do you “liberate” Iraqis from their own countrymen?

    And if we were so committed to stopping the genocide in Iraq, why didn’t we invade Iraq during the Reagan or Bush 41 years, when Saddam was actually FILLING those mass graves? Because Iraq was our BUDDY and IRAN was the bad guy back then. So the GOP looked the other way while Saddam eliminated his perceived enemies at home and fought Iran.

  260. 260Dave Surls on Dec 2, 2008 at 11:41 am:

    “And if we were so committed to stopping the genocide in Russia, why didn’t we invade Russia during the Roosevelt or Truman years, when Stalin was actually FILLING those mass graves? Because Russia was our BUDDY and GERMANY was the bad guy back then. So the Dems looked the other way while Stalin eliminated his perceived enemies at home and fought Germany.”

    Liberals are so cute when they’re being all hypocritical.

  261. 261Soothsayer on Dec 2, 2008 at 1:26 pm:

    Are you INSANE? Are you saying we should have fought the Soviets first instead of the Nazis? Incredible!

    Was the umbilical cord wrapped around your neck when you were born? What were the dimensions of the bus that took you to school? Was it regular sized – or short?

  262. 262Dave Surls on Dec 2, 2008 at 2:08 pm:

    “Are you saying we should have fought the Soviets first instead of the Nazis?”

    No, I said liberals are so cute when they’re being all hypocritical.

  263. 263Anonymous on Dec 2, 2008 at 9:23 pm:

    Dave, you cannot POSSIBLY compare WW2, a life or death struggle with foes bent on world domination and the extermination of millions, with the Iraq conflict, a war of choice waged against an ill-equipped country effectively reduced to third-world status by years of US sanctions. I mean come on: A force of 135,000 took Baghdad in less than THREE WEEKS!

    Also, Rove is now admitting – five years too late – that Bush wouldn’t have invaded Iraq and “liberated” millions had he known that Iraq didn’t have WMDs. Perhaps if Bush had listened to the weapons inspectors who were SCREAMING for weeks in late 2002 and early 2003 that Iraq didn’t have WMDs, 4,200 US troops slaughtered unnecessarily in Iraq would instead be getting ready to celebrate Christmas with their families.

    Kinda dampens that “victory in Iraq” euphoria, knowing Bush would have called off the dogs of war had he bothered to listen to the experts, doesn’t it?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/02/rove-we-wouldnt-have-inva_n_147923.html

  264. 264Dave Surls on Dec 2, 2008 at 11:52 pm:

    “We have now commenced the process of destroying approximately 50 litres of mustard gas declared by Iraq that was being kept under UNMOVIC seal at the Muthanna site. One-third of the quantity has already been destroyed. The laboratory quantity of thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor, which we found at another site, has also been destroyed.”–Hans Blix, Feb 14, 2003

    “Perhaps if Bush had listened to the weapons inspectors who were SCREAMING for weeks in late 2002 and early 2003 that Iraq didn’t have WMDs…”

    LOL.

  265. 265Dave Surls on Dec 3, 2008 at 12:12 am:

    More Hans Blix from Feb 2003…

    ‘Another matter – and one of great significance – is that many proscribed weapons and items are not accounted for. To take an example, a document, which Iraq provided, suggested to us that some 1,000 tonnes of chemical agent were “unaccounted for”…’

    Goodness gracious. Wonder where all that stuff went to? Well, maybe we’ll find it someday, maybe not. But, one thing’s for sure…the Baathists ain’t going to be using it any time any time in the near future.

    More…

    “On the matter of the 380 SA-2 missile engines imported outside of the export/import mechanism and in contravention of paragraph 24 of resolution 687 (1991), UNMOVIC inspectors were informed by Iraq during an official briefing that these engines were intended for use in the Al Samoud 2 missile system, which has now been assessed to be proscribed. Any such engines configured for use in this missile system would also be proscribed.”

    Bad, bad, bad Baathists. Uncle Sam spank!

    “Perhaps if Bush had listened to the weapons inspectors who were SCREAMING for weeks in late 2002 and early 2003 that Iraq didn’t have WMDs…”

    Yeah…right.

  266. 266Anonymous on Dec 3, 2008 at 1:04 am:

    Tom Tomorrow sums up the Bush years. . .

    http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/12/02/tomo/

  267. 267Dave Surls on Dec 3, 2008 at 4:32 am:

    Danny Perkins is an idiot even compared to other leftists.

    And, man that is some serious stupid.

  268. 268Anonymous on Dec 3, 2008 at 1:28 pm:

    “V-I Day” . . . you’re a little behind; doncha know Dumbya already declared “victory” back in March, 2003?

    “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!”

  269. 269Anonymous on Dec 4, 2008 at 8:21 pm:

    Blackwater mercenaries – America’s Hessians – could face mandatory prison terms for “liberating” dozens of Iraqis from their humdrum existences . . .

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081205/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/blackwater_prosecution

  270. 270Skip Smith on Dec 4, 2008 at 10:06 pm:

    Hey Dave, here’s even more Hans Blix for you:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/mar/20/iraq.usa

  271. 271Dave Surls on Dec 4, 2008 at 10:08 pm:

    #269

    Try not to drool in anticipation.

  272. 272Dave Surls on Dec 4, 2008 at 10:31 pm:

    #270

    Thanks, but I’m really not interested in Blix’s OPINIONS, especially since they’re patent nonsense.

  273. 273Skip Smith on Dec 5, 2008 at 1:11 am:

    This is fun. Let’s pull the string again and see what Dave says this time.

  274. 274Anonymous on Dec 5, 2008 at 10:08 pm:

    The Amercan victory celebration continues in Iraq . . . dozens dead, including 2 US soldiers . . .

    http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fg-iraq5-2008dec05,0,3950237.story?track=rss

  275. 275Dave Surls on Dec 6, 2008 at 11:28 am:

    Iraq is pretty violent. Not as violent as a lefty paradise like Venezuela, but still pretty violent.

  276. 276Skip Smith on Dec 6, 2008 at 4:52 pm:

    Yes, war is violent.

  277. 277Soothsayer on Dec 9, 2008 at 5:44 am:

    BTW, there were NO reports of US troops killed in hostile action AFTER Germany surrendered in WW2. The killing stopped when the war stopped.

    By comparison, we’ve lost 4,000 troops since we took Baghdad in 2003 and Bush said “major combat operations . . . have ended, and the US and its allies have prevailed.”

  278. 278Dave Surls on Dec 9, 2008 at 3:55 pm:

    “By comparison, we’ve lost 4,000 troops…”

    By comparison we lost 400,000 in WWII, 35,000 in Korea, 60,000 in Vietnam thanks to you peace-loving liberals. And that big cold war military you liberals created? That was costing us 2,000 military DEATHS per annum up until the 1980s…and those are PEACETIME deaths. Funny how you never hear bleeding heart liberals complaining about those deaths.

    The truth is is that far more of our guys have died maintaining useless garrisons in Japan, Korea, Europe, etc. (most of which were created by the libby-wibbies) than have died fighting terrorists and state sponsors of terrorism in Iraq.

    Obviously, if deaths are the problem, then liberal Democrats are the worst possible solution out of the two real choices we have.

    As a matter of fact, the callous disregard libby-wibbies have for the lives and freedoms of Americans is one of the reasons I loathe their political party with every fiber of my being.

    Now, what’s that you were saying about Iraq?

  279. 279ciaran on Dec 10, 2008 at 2:13 pm:

    thanks a million guys for this great recognition. as you say, we would never hear it from the media.
    i’m bitterly disappointed with the new obama government, let’s hope after just 4 years america will wake up!!!

    thanks again to the creators of this blog / site,

    ciaran in ireland, ireland supports the war on terror!!

  280. 280Joe on Dec 10, 2008 at 8:50 pm:

    This is in regards to your IVAW Protest in SF, since you don’t let us comment on your photo blogs.

    You disgust me. You say you care about the veterans of our endless war, yet if they disagree with you you shun them. You sir are disgusting. I find your proclamation of Victory in Iraq just as comical as your decleration that the democrats would loose in the election. You have no credibility and you are a coward. This is the only place I could leave my comment on your website.

  281. 281Dave Surls on Dec 10, 2008 at 11:50 pm:

    “This is the only place I could leave my comment on your website.”

    Lefties = rocket scientists.

    Not.

  282. 282SkipSmith on Dec 11, 2008 at 9:22 am:

    “i’m bitterly disappointed with the new obama government, let’s hope after just 4 years america will wake up!!!”

    If you’re disappointed now, wait until the new Obama government actually exists.

    Righties = rocket scientists.

    Not.

  283. 283Dave Surls on Dec 11, 2008 at 12:39 pm:

    “BTW, there were NO reports of US troops killed in hostile action AFTER Germany surrendered in WW2. The killing stopped when the war stopped.”

    Sure it did, as long as you don’t count the millions of people who were murdered in eastern Europe by our commie allies after the Germans surrendered.

  284. 284Dave Surls on Dec 11, 2008 at 1:02 pm:

    ‘At the end of World War II, the French forced tens of thousands of German prisoners of war to clear minefields. An estimated 1,800 of them died…’

    ‘…The French had asked the Americans and the British before the end of the war to hand German POWs over to them for use in mine-clearing operations. London and Washington were both hesitant to comply, citing the Geneva Convention. But during the San Francisco Conference from April to June 1945 at which the UN Charter was adopted, French Foreign Minister Georges Bidault managed to overcome Anglo-American resistance, Overmans argues, since “there was no longer a German government that could have reacted.”‘

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,574180,00.html

    All things being equal, I think I’d rather be locked up in Gitmo.

    “The killing stopped when the war stopped.”

    Lefties and their little fairy tales.

  285. 285Rocket Scientist on Dec 11, 2008 at 9:00 pm:

    Dave, have you been drinking?

  286. 286Rocket Scientis on Dec 11, 2008 at 9:18 pm:

    You cannot win an insurgency. It prevailed in Vietnam and will prevail in this other mindless war. Also it just took down a power that was checking Iran’s. Now they have proxies in southern Iraq that will do their bidding we have created an empire. Also Arabs are Semites as well so calling them anti-semetic makes no sense, look up semitic people in an encyclopedia. This is not world war II we are not fighting a nation. This is Vietnam with no government to fall back on. We may need to stay they’re for decades http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4BA6WH20081211

  287. 287Rocket Scientis on Dec 11, 2008 at 9:20 pm:

    Also Ciaran who made you spokesmen for Ireland? The Irish had no troops in Iraq and had mass protests. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/ire-a03.shtml you saying that Ireland supports the war on terror is like me saying Americans support socialized health care, I believe in it but it doesn’t make America support it.

  288. 288Dave Surls on Dec 11, 2008 at 9:41 pm:

    “You cannot win an insurgency.”–Elazar ben Ya’ir

  289. 289Dave Surls on Dec 11, 2008 at 9:46 pm:

    “You cannot win an insurgency.”–Jefferson Davis

  290. 290Dave Surls on Dec 11, 2008 at 9:48 pm:

    “You cannot win an insurgency.”–Sitting Bull

  291. 291Dave Surls on Dec 11, 2008 at 9:55 pm:

    “You cannot win an insurgency.”–Chin Peng

    Of course, in real life insurgents win some of the time and lose some of the time.

    Not that leftards know anything about real life.

    All they know is their quaint lil’ fairy tales.

  292. 292Rocket Scientist on Dec 12, 2008 at 1:06 pm:

    Dave was hitting the bottle early last night.

  293. 293Dave Surls on Dec 13, 2008 at 5:00 am:

    Even if was drunk as a skunk I wouldn’t be making idiotic statements like “You cannot win [against] an insurgency”.

    Luckily for drunkards, they eventually sober up. Unluckily for you, idiocy is usually persistent.

  294. 294Rocket Scientist on Dec 13, 2008 at 4:32 pm:

    Wow, that was a zinger. How do you come up with such witty, original lines?

  295. 295Anonymous on Dec 14, 2008 at 2:07 pm:

    Wow – the Iraqis sure are grateful to see Bush, aren’t they? Two size 10s sail by his dome at a press conference. At least Bush can now claim he found chemical weapons!

    There’s your “victory,” morons.

  296. 296Rocket Scientist on Dec 14, 2008 at 11:58 pm:

  297. 297Gary Ruppert on Dec 15, 2008 at 4:27 am:

    The fact is, liberals, SHUT UP. USA won. Terror lost. You suck.

  298. 298Kevin Robbins on Dec 15, 2008 at 5:36 am:

    How can a group of brain dead right wing bloggers declare that the war in Iraq is over?

  299. 299Dhalgren on Dec 15, 2008 at 7:16 am:

    Gary Rupert! The man! “Terror lost.” Right. That’s why the Islamic Brotherhood, Islamic Jihad, and al Qaeda still exist. Thanks for playing.

    And we suck. Yes. That’s why we voted the GOP out of the White House. We simply don’t know how to win anything.

  300. 300President ShoeDodge on Dec 15, 2008 at 8:31 am:

    Haha! Wingnut central! The war is over!!! Who knew?!?!? Guess we can bring all the troops home now, right?

  301. 301Last Throws on Dec 15, 2008 at 8:32 am:

    So this is what the political wilderness looks like…. Cool!

  302. 302Anonymous on Dec 15, 2008 at 1:43 pm:

    I’m pretty sure Bush said the war is not over just a couple days ago. Is this the new war?

  303. 303Dave Surls on Dec 16, 2008 at 2:15 am:

    #295

    Yeah, I reckon that one guy was about as appreciative as John Wilkes Booth, though not as well armed.

    You might recall that in spite of the fact that a fair number of southerners weren’t exactly thrilled with President Lincoln, the Yankees still won the Civil War…ironically, like the war in Iraq, this victory was also won in spite of the treason of the Democrats and their imbecilic followers.

    Some things never change.

  304. 304dhani on Dec 16, 2008 at 9:10 am:

    How can a group of brain dead right wing bloggers declare that the war in Iraq is over?

    Why not ? They have lied about damn near everything since Bush was elected. Fools.

  305. 305Dave Surls on Dec 16, 2008 at 9:42 am:

    “Guess we can bring all the troops home now, right?”

    Why would we want to do that?

    We still have to beat the crap out of the mad mullahs in Iran, the Baathists in Syria, Hezbollah and the precious little Pals. It would be kind of silly to bring all our armed forces back to America and then send them to Eurasia again.

    Just leave them there until we’re ready to knock out the next batch of terrorists/state sponsors.

    You libby-wibbies can pretend that they’re troops sent to Europe or Asia by Roosevelt and Truman. You know the ones that been there ever since the 1940s and 1950s. That ought to soothe your aching little pea-brains.

  306. 306Limey on Dec 16, 2008 at 4:44 pm:

    In the name of Her Majesty the Queen, I hereby declare today Victory over our American Colony Day.

  307. 307Rocket Scientist the 2nd on Dec 16, 2008 at 5:44 pm:

    Dave you cannot win a argument by calling someone a retard and using made up quotes. Watch I will try “I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.” -Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
    Uh oh that one is real… or how about ”

    or maybe “Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.” –President Bush, standing under a “Mission Accomplished” banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003 sounds a lot like your article zombie

    lets try another one “Oh, no, we’re not going to have any casualties.” —President Bush, discussing the Iraq war with Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, after Robertson told him he should prepare the American people for casualties

    “War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.” – Thomas Jefferson

  308. 308Dave Surls on Dec 16, 2008 at 5:53 pm:

    Well Thomas Jefferson was a coward!

  309. 309Dave Surls on Dec 16, 2008 at 6:27 pm:

    “Dave you cannot win a argument by calling someone a retard and using made up quotes.”

    Sure, I can. And, I did.

  310. 310Anonymous on Dec 16, 2008 at 8:34 pm:

    Frank Gaffney says Americans “had to die” in Iraq. I swear, anyone who STILL claims Iraq was a clear and present danger to the US, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, should be arrested and charged with aiding and abetting a war crime. NOTHNG else will shut these liars up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ec6-Ss0kc&eurl=http://thinkprogress.org/

  311. 311Anonymous on Dec 16, 2008 at 8:37 pm:

    Frank Gaffney STILL thinks Iraq was a threat and that Americans “had to die” to stop Saddam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ec6-Ss0kc&eurl=http://thinkprogress.org/

  312. 312Rocket Scientist the 2nd on Dec 16, 2008 at 8:56 pm:

    Dave I don’t know which ones are yours and which are not so I presume that #311 is just so illogical it cant be done by a rational person. #314 strikes me as your personality type.

  313. 313Dave Surls on Dec 16, 2008 at 9:03 pm:

    No it is the other way around! You know what Jefferson also did? He lead a insurgency against the British so it did work once!

  314. 314Rocket Scientist the 2nd on Dec 16, 2008 at 9:11 pm:

    Hey I have an idea violence is down in Vietnam lets declare today Victory in Vietnam Day! I will just whip up a few banners and post it on my blog and then it will be fact!

  315. 315Dave Surls on Dec 16, 2008 at 9:51 pm:

    “#311 is just so illogical it cant be done by a rational person.”

    Hardly. Some lefty named rocket scientist made the preposterous claim that an insurgency can’t be defeated, so I listed four insurgent leaders who had their asses kicked bad, to demonstrate what an ignorant claim that was, thereby destroying the argument.

    Nothing illogical about that.

  316. 316Soothsayer on Dec 17, 2008 at 10:11 am:

    When adjusted for inflation, the war in Iraq ALONE has cost more than every US war except World War II.

    http://www.csbaonline.org/4Publications/PubLibrary/R.20081215.Cost_of_the_Wars_i/R.20081215.Cost_of_the_Wars_i.pdf

  317. 317rmwarnick on Dec 17, 2008 at 11:10 am:

    Found this via the Sadly, No! site. So I have to say: Victory in Iraq? Sadly, no.

  318. 318Dave Surls on Dec 17, 2008 at 4:47 pm:

    “Victory in Iraq? Sadly, no.”

    The Lefty side (Batthist/terrorist) lost. That makes me happy.

  319. 319Dave Surls on Dec 17, 2008 at 4:48 pm:

    And, not only did the “Batthists” lose, but so did the Baathists.

  320. 320Rocket Scientist the 2nd on Dec 17, 2008 at 5:58 pm:

    I cant tell which is which now.

  321. 321Anonymous on Dec 17, 2008 at 8:20 pm:

    The post-victory celebration continues. 35 top Iraqi officials arrested and charged with trying to overthrow the government and return Saddam’s Baathist party to power . . .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/world/middleeast/18iraq.html?_r=1&hp

  322. 322Dave Surls on Dec 17, 2008 at 11:12 pm:

    “35 top Iraqi officials arrested and charged with trying to overthrow the government and return Saddam’s Baathist party to power . . .”

    I’d say that that’s a pretty good indicator that our side won.

  323. 323Rocket Scientist the 2nd on Dec 18, 2008 at 3:56 pm:

    “35 top Iraqi officials arrested and charged with trying to overthrow the government and return Saddam’s Baathist party to power . . .”

    I’d say that that’s a pretty good indicator that our side won.

    How so sir? It seems we won a victory but there is still more corruption.

    Saddam was a secular facist, now we have overthrown him we have radical Islamic who use religion to recruit people. Religion is a powerful thing. Saddam was a sick man but the unfortunate truth is that he was check the power of Islamic extremists.

  324. 324Dave Surls on Dec 18, 2008 at 4:06 pm:

    “It seems we won a victory”

    Yup.

  325. 325Rocket Scientist the 2nd on Dec 18, 2008 at 4:10 pm:

    A is the key word. The south won A victory. We won A victory in Vietnam.

  326. 326Dave Surls on Dec 18, 2008 at 5:00 pm:

    “a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact:”

    Example: The belief that one can not defeat an insurgency, even though insurgencies have, in fact, been defeated many times.

  327. 327Dave Surls on Dec 18, 2008 at 5:17 pm:

    “We won A victory in Vietnam.”

    Unfortunately, we were unable to destroy the NVA and the commie govt., occupy all of North Vietnam, round up all the leading commies and have Ho Chi Minh executed.

    Compare and contrast with Iraq.

  328. 328Dave Surls on Dec 19, 2008 at 12:02 am:

    14 of our guys died in October, 17 in November, and two in December (plus two Brits). And, half of those soldiers were killed in accidents. We ain’t exactly talking Omaha Beach, here.

    The last time one of our guys got killed in Iraq was on December 4…two weeks ago. In the last 30 days, only four Americans have been killed by hostile action (two shot, two killed by a car bomb).

    By way of comparison, losses in WWII averaged 9,000 dead per month. At the height of the Vietnam War we were losing 300-400 guys every week. Hell, we were losing more guys in the 1980s then we’ve ever lost in Iraq, and we weren’t even in a war!

    U.S. military deaths 1980 = 2,392

    1981 = 2,380

    1982 = 2,319

    1983 = 2,465

    Now compare:

    2003 = 1,228

    2004 = 1,874

    2005 = 1,942

    2006 = 1,858

    Iraq wasn’t much of a war in the first place, but it’s pretty much petered out to nothing at this point.

  329. 329Rocket Scientist the 2nd on Dec 19, 2008 at 5:54 pm:

    I was just showing examples of wars which victories were won. Lets compare Vietnam, in Vietnam the south had a stable government which we could lean on, in Vietnam we were fighting one group of insurgents, in Iraq we have no stable government, in Iraq we are fighting many insurgent groups who have different goals and are also fighting amongst themselves. “Iraq wasn’t much of a war in the first place” Tell that to the 89,892 – 98,151 Iraqis who died. the surge curtailed violence in Iraq that doesn’t mean we won. And just because we don’t declare war on a country doesn’t mean we are not at war with something. Also source your stats.

    Source: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

  330. 330Dave Surls on Dec 20, 2008 at 5:52 pm:

    “Also source your stats.”

    Sure. For annual military deaths (1980-2006) I used table 5 of the following document as a source:

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

    For detailed Iraq War casualties, dates of death, etc.:

    http://icasualties.org/oif/

    Information about casualties in other wars can be found at various sources (wikipedia, for example). In the peak year of the Vietnam War (1968), the United States lost 16,592 dead which works out to about 320 per week. U.S. losses in WWII were about 400,000 in 45 months (for which see table 1 of the FAS document cited above).

    Iraq, at its worst, is/was a tea party compared to a real war…and the worst appears to be over.

  331. 331Dave Surls on Dec 20, 2008 at 6:06 pm:

    “in Vietnam the south had a stable government”

    LOL. Sometimes I wonder if there is an upper limit to the ignorance of lefties.

  332. 332Rocket Scientist the 2nd on Dec 21, 2008 at 1:10 am:

    So you dont think the war of 1812 was a war?

  333. 333Anonymous on Dec 21, 2008 at 12:10 pm:

    In my opinion,

    Iraq War is a decisive victory for U.S. over Iraqi insurgents

    South Ossetian War is a decisive victory for Russia over Georgian insurgents

  334. 334Soothsayer on Dec 21, 2008 at 1:10 pm:

    So let me get this straight: Al Qaida, which has NO presence in Iraq, attacks us on 9/11, despite months of warnings of an imminent AQ attack on our shores.

    We invade Afghanistan, rout the Taliban and have Bin Laden trapped like a rat in Tora Bora. Then Bush, like a child bored with a toy, loses interest in AQ and decides to proceed with his ultimate dream – an invasion of Iraq – apparently to avenge the assassination attempt on his dad and line the pockets of his oil baron buddies who put him in the White House.

    So Afghan warlords are sent into Tora Bora instead of US forces, and the Afghans quickly accept bribes and let OBL escape into Pakistan. Meanwhile. Bush starts warning of the threat of allowing Iraqi WMDs to fall into AQ hands, even though Saddam hates OBL and AQ considers him an “infidel.” Americans, looking to punch SOMEONE after 9/11, rapidly fall in line. Bush ignores the evidence from the CIA and weapons inspectors that Iraq is not a threat, and cherry picks the intel given to the UN and Congress.

    An intimidated Congress votes to invade Iraq. So US troops invade – and as expected, find no WMDs. Baghdad falls to a force of 136,000 troops in less than three weeks – some threat! Saddam flees, and Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds are now free to resume their centuries-old blood feuds.

    So AQ, which never dared to enter Iraq while Saddam was in power and is now emboldened by Saddam’s ouster, rolls into Iraq and helps inflame sectarian violence. Now the US is fighting AQ in a place they never were before, and now Iraqis are fighting Iraqis – and US. Ethnic cleansing begins. Millions of Iraqis flee. Shiites take revenge on the minority Sunnis who oppressed them during Saddam’s reign. Our troops become sitting-duck policemen refereeing a civil war, and they’re ill-equipped and lack an objective, because Bush had counted on six months of fighting – no more.

    Today, the violence is down, mostly because millions fled the country to avoid being slaughtered, the US PAID Iraqis to stop shooting at us, AQ became so brutal that Iraqis turned on them, and al-Sadr decided to bide his time and wait for us to leave before he makes a move to seize more political power in Iraq.

    Today, we’ve got a pro-Iranian theocracy established in Iraq. The country is devastated. One million may be dead. Three million are displaced. Basically, we won the Iran-Iraq war for Iran, crippled our economy to the tune of $3 TRILLION, and threw away 4,200 lives – and counting. How is THAT outcome helping us win the War on Terror, which is being waged ELSEWHERE?

    Thank GOD Obama will END this foreign policy catastrophe in the coming months and get back to the REAL War on Terror – the final elimination of AQ and the death or capture of Bin Laden.

  335. 335Dave Surls on Dec 21, 2008 at 1:58 pm:

    “apparently to avenge the assassination attempt on his dad”

    That in itself is enough reason to destroy the Baathists.

    Nice fantasy rewrite of history, btw.

  336. 336Dave Surls on Dec 21, 2008 at 2:28 pm:

    “Thank GOD Obama will END this foreign policy catastrophe in the coming months…”

    Yeah, it’s a catastrophe for the Baathists, terrorists like Abu Abbas, and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and a stinging defeat for pro-terrorist lefties all over the world, who had hoped that if they whined and sniveled enough, America would lose (better luck next time, lefties).

    But, there’s nothing your new Messiah can do to change all that.

  337. 337K.L. on Dec 21, 2008 at 6:31 pm:

    David, Surls, would you agree that Russia has achieved a decisive victory over Georgian insurgents in South Ossetian War?

  338. 338Dave Surls on Dec 21, 2008 at 8:19 pm:

    “David, Surls, would you agree that Russia has achieved a decisive victory over Georgian insurgents in South Ossetian War?”

    Not a subject with which I’m familiar.

  339. 339K.L. on Dec 22, 2008 at 10:08 am:

    Both wars are counter-insurgency, if you’are glad that U.S. has won, then you should also congradulate Russia. I hope you’re not “protecting” Georgian interest.

  340. 340Anonymous on Dec 22, 2008 at 8:04 pm:

    So you dont think the war of 1812 was a war?

  341. 341Soothsayer on Dec 22, 2008 at 8:53 pm:

    I posted the reality-based version of the Iraq fiasco, DS. Now let’s see YOUR version. We could all use some holiday laughs. And please include inks to YouTube videos of the celebrations that erupted across this land on VI-Day.

  342. 342Dave Surls on Dec 22, 2008 at 9:01 pm:

    Why would I congratulate the Russians? They’re no friends of ours, and I have nothing against the Georgians.

    I can’t see any reason in the world I should congratulate the Russians.

  343. 343Dave Surls on Dec 22, 2008 at 9:06 pm:

    “I posted the reality-based version of the Iraq fiasco”

    LOL.

  344. 344Dave Surls on Dec 22, 2008 at 9:23 pm:

    Wake up, libtards. If you think your blessed negro president is going to get the terrorists to leave us alone, you’re sadly mistaken.

  345. 345Dave Surls on Dec 22, 2008 at 9:32 pm:

    Post 365 is not mine. Along with a whole bunch of others.

    Just wanted to note that.

  346. 346Dave Surls on Dec 22, 2008 at 9:43 pm:

    Posts 309, 314, 316, 322, 323, 324, 325, 329, 333, 334, 336, 344, 349, 352 & 365 are not mine…just in case anyone is keeping score.

  347. 347E-Daddy on Dec 23, 2008 at 4:19 am:

    My, my. What a zesty exchange of postings.

    I am somewhat baffled by all the venom of many of the postings. There’s an old legal maxim: when the law is on your side, argue the law; when the facts on on your side, argue the facts; when neither is on your side, just holler. I hear a lot of hollering. Liberals aren’t ‘traitors’ and conservatives aren’t ‘idiots’. There’s plenty of blame to go around in Iraq.

    But, look, it was mistake to invade Iraq before we finished whacking AQ in Afghanistan (and, for that matter, Pakistan). That cannot be credibly argued. Moreover, it was grossly negligent, at best, not to follow the advice of Gen. Shinsheki and others in the military who gave plain advice on the need to send in enough troops to properly occupy the country. It was also a mistake to allow the chaos and looting to spread throughout Iraq after 2003. It was also a mistake to ignore Gen. Sanchez and others who wanted to take out al Sadr in 2004 before the civil war even got started.

    However, what matters now is where are we in 2008/2009.

    The fact is, since Rumsfeld was fired for incompetence, the Bush Administration finally got its act together. After years of ignoring advice from the counter-insurgency experts in the military, the Bush Administration ramped up the troops levels, engaged in a competent counter-insurgency strategy, including the Sunni Awakening program, quietly cut deals with various Shi’ite groups, and put Iraq back on the track to success.

    Especially when compared to the chaos and failure of 2005/2006, the current situation in Iraq can be called victory. I was there this summer, and it is ten times better than it was, and no worse than a dozen other run of the mill hellholes I’ve been.

    This is a good thing.

    Let’s not screw it up again now. As Colin Powell (a conservative Republican who voted for Obama and is neither a traitor nor an idiot) said: “you break it, you own it.” Put another way, we have a moral duty to make sure Iraq doesn’t fall back into chaos, and then let’s get on with the main AQ project in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Liberals: don’t gloat and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Conservatives: don’t be arrogant and ignore the lessons learned so painfully in Iraq.

    And chill out, ya”ll.

  348. 348Dave Surls on Dec 23, 2008 at 2:25 pm:

    “I’m hardly a liberal, actually being a combat veteran.”

    Minor quibble: I don’t think those two things are mutually exclusive.

    “I just think Rumsfeld was incompetent, and that the war, which I otherwise supported, was poorly executed by the civilian leadership.”

    Compared to what? Our Civil War, WWII? At least half our fleet isn’t sitting on the bottom of Pearl Harbor in this war.

    Looks like they did a pretty good job to me.

    Btw, this is the REAL Dave Surls. You can tell, because the REAL Dave Surls would never say something like “meep, meep”.

  349. 349Soothsayer on Dec 23, 2008 at 6:09 pm:

    WW2 led us out of the Great Depression. Only a leader as incompetent as GWB could fight two wars and lead us INTO a Great Depression.

  350. 350Dave Surls on Dec 23, 2008 at 6:53 pm:

    “During the Second World War, you couldn’t just walk into a shop and buy as much sugar or butter or meat as you wanted, nor could you fill up your car with gasoline whenever you liked. All these things were rationed, which meant you were only allowed to buy a small amount (even if you could afford more).”

    http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/events/rationing.htm

    Way to fix that economy, Dems!

    400,000 dead AND everything rationed. But, hey, at least everyone had a job…after the liberals drafted about 16,000,000 guys into the armed forces.

  351. 351Dave Surls on Dec 23, 2008 at 7:01 pm:

    Of course, a big difference between that ass Roosevelt and Bush is is that Roosevelt bungled us into wars with Germany and Japan, while Bush inherited his wars from serial idiot Bill Clinton who was unable to deal with either the Baathists or Al Qaida.

    Typical.

  352. 352E-Daddy on Dec 24, 2008 at 1:45 am:

    I actually like the “meep meep,” which is, of course, the trademark of the Warner Brothers Roadrunner character, from the surrealist cartoon involving the war between trickster Coyote and his team of Acme supporters and the neo-Anarchist Roadrunner.

    Anyhow, we fought WWI, WWII, the Korean War, and Iraq War I (Gulf War) quite competently.

    Even the Vietnam War was fought reasonably competently in South Vietnam, with, for example, the destruction of the Viet Cong in 1968. But this was militarily irrelevant, as the VC were replaced by NVA regulars from the North, and the war was therefore unwinnable as we were not willing to go to war with a now nuclear-armed China, which they made clear would have resulted if we invaded North Vietnam.

    Considering the restrictions placed on them, the military also fought very well throughout the latest Gulf War II. The problem was there hands were tied by an incompetent Rumsfeld DOD, which barred them from going after al Sadr in 2004, barred them from bring sufficient occupation troops in 2003, barred them in 2003-2007 from engaging in the political dealings, bribery, etc. which are part of any competent counter-insurgency strategy, etc. I think you will find this view to be pretty much universally held by our senior military leadership, who hated Rumsfeld.

    Merry Christmas, Happy Eid al-Adha, Happy New Year, Etc., ya’ll

    E

  353. 353Why am I arguing with Dave Surls? on Dec 24, 2008 at 4:00 pm:

  354. 354Dave Surls on Dec 24, 2008 at 10:09 pm:

    “Anyhow, we fought WWI, WWII, the Korean War, and Iraq War I (Gulf War) quite competently.”

    When I look at the Philippines 1941-42 campaign (just one example), competence is not the word that springs to mind.

    Might want to do a little more reading on those wars.

  355. 355Why am I arguing with Dave Surls? on Dec 25, 2008 at 1:09 pm:

  356. 356salvage on Dec 28, 2008 at 6:46 am:

    AHAHAHAHAH! Yes! Iraq is won because you declare it so! AHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

    You are very smart.

  357. 357jeff taboorniong on Dec 28, 2008 at 7:20 am:

    Well done USA! You have saved the world! Things are now so much better!
    Let’s have a look at the statement:
    “Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”

    Well….you certainly are “paying the price” and “bearing the burden” and “meeting some rather heavy hardships”, but the trouble is….so is the rest of the planet, you mini-Einsteins!
    Oh….and what’s liberty again? The right to bury your heads in the sand? Future generations will look back and weep, laugh hysterically, weep again, and HOPEFULLY learn from the myriad mistakes made in a few brutish generations.
    I’m ashamed to breathe the same air as these fools.
    (Please ignore my ranting comment if this blog is, as i sincerely hope, ironic).

  358. 358Dave Surls on Dec 28, 2008 at 11:32 am:

    “Please ignore my ranting comment”

    Easy to do, since it’s devoid of meaningful content.

  359. 359Soothsayer on Dec 29, 2008 at 9:30 am:

  360. 360Dave Surls on Dec 29, 2008 at 10:56 am:

    Top one myth about Juan Cole

    1. He has an i.q. higher than his shoe size.

  361. 361Dave Surls on Jan 1, 2009 at 9:45 pm:

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  363. 363Soothsayer on Jan 3, 2009 at 6:49 pm:

    Former Iraqi PM Allawi calls Bush an “utter failure”. . . tell us something we DIDN’T already know . . .

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE50212820090103

  364. 364Soothsayer on Jan 4, 2009 at 4:40 pm:

    A female suicide bomber kills 38 in “post-victory” Iraq . . .

    http://news.aol.com/article/female-bomber-kills-dozens-in-baghdad/291466

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  366. 366Anonymous on Jan 12, 2009 at 10:40 am:

    HI wow we are meaning america have to be so happy that you all won now we can move on. You all reallly inspire me. You all make Me feel that i can do it if i really wanted to. Thanks. November 22, 2008 is Now claimed to be Victory in Iraq Day.

  367. 367Anonymous on Jan 17, 2009 at 8:29 am:

    Good job boys!

  368. 368Anonymous on Jan 17, 2009 at 8:30 am:

    The troops deserve a big thank you! As does George Bush for showing the courage to lead the Surge

  369. 369Anonymous on Jan 17, 2009 at 8:56 am:

    To our Troops – Thank you for your service to our country. We greatly appreciate all you’ve done to keep us safe.

    We’ll remember your courage during the Surge most of all. You should be very proud that when many wanted to retreat, you snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

    Thank you.

  370. 370Anonymous on Jan 19, 2009 at 12:59 am:

    Delusion knows no bounds, it would seem.

  371. 371getplaning on Jan 19, 2009 at 8:06 am:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Two UNFINISHED WARS, the U.S. economy deep in recession, the budget deficit about to hit $1 trillion and America’s image badly tarnished abroad.

    Not since Herbert Hoover left Franklin Roosevelt the Great Depression has a U.S. president left his successor a litany of problems seemingly as daunting as George W. Bush will bequeath to Barack Obama when he takes office on January 20.

    (snip)

    Don’t let reality intrude on your imaginary world, conservatives.

  372. 372Soothsayer on Jan 22, 2009 at 10:13 am:

    Obama may be our first black president, but when he sees the astounding mess Bush left, him, he’ll turn WHITE.

  373. 373Soothsayer on Jan 29, 2009 at 9:32 am:

    Iraq kicks out Blackwater, Cheney’s Gestapo unit.

    http://news.aol.com/article/iraq-blackwater/317725

  374. 374Anonymous on Feb 7, 2009 at 5:15 pm:

    America got its azz beat by a bunch of Bedouin rock throwers from the desert. Learn your lesson. If America got its azz handed to it in Iraq….imagine what N. Korea or China would do to it! Stay out of other people’s back yards.

  375. 375Soothsayer on Feb 28, 2009 at 1:50 pm:

    Obama is pulling our troops OUT of that Iraq hellhole at last. Hallelujah!

  376. 376Anonymous on Apr 5, 2009 at 2:02 pm:

    Zombie:

    Let me first dispense with formalities related to this blog and agree that U.S. and Coalition forces are victorious in Iraq. A once-violent and totalitarian regime that had been intent on our destruction is now a Democratic state and an ally. May God bless our victorious troops and guide them safely home.

    Secondly, I must commend you for your brilliant journalism, photojournalism, analyses and courage throughout your website’s many topics. I applaud your intelligence, your independant thought and your wit. I have the greatest respect and admiration for men and women of this intellectual caliber.

    I wonder if you listen to Michael Savage’s radio program. Savage is the beacon of independant observation and you seem to be his intellectual kinsman or woman. I also wonder if you might apply your journalistic brilliance to the San Francisco case and cover-up of the pro-Israeli activist who was thrown down an elevator shaft. Dr. Savage is the only media person mentioning this.

    Alas, you probably do not have the time to notice my posting, but if you do please accept my heartfelt appreciation of your outstanding work.

    Philip from Sacramento

  377. 377rob on Apr 10, 2009 at 10:08 pm:

    5 US soldiers killed in bomb blast. Mosul, Iraq 4/10/09

  378. 378Dave on Apr 17, 2009 at 10:57 pm:

    Thank you, Zombie, for putting this out there, and for putting up with the expected torrents of HATE from the left. Thank you, US military, allies, and Iraqi citizens for breaking the insurgency. The fucking crazy people will never surrender, never admit defeat. No I am not talking about the terrorists, I am talking about the deluded posters. Why are bombings a cry for freedom and justice ONLY when an insurgent murderer does it?

    Maybe if our military kills hundreds of thousands of civilians in Waziristan, the friends on the left will blame it on the incompetent and guilty leadership of radical Islamic warlords in the area, like they blame the suicide bombings of civilians in US-friendly countries on the various evils of the US regime.

    The left doesn’t think before it cries out in rage.

  379. 379Soothsayer on May 3, 2009 at 9:17 pm:

    570 Iraqis slain in April. 1,200 wounded. THAT’s victory?

    Two GIs killed by a uniformed Iraqi soldier. Was he celebrating the US triumph, too ?

    And now this – the ex-M16 chief says Britain was “dragged” into the war. . .

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/5267555/Former-MI6-chief-says-Britain-was-dragged-into-Iraq-war.html

  380. 380berkeley resident on Jun 18, 2009 at 2:27 pm:

    hahahahahahahaha! this blog is so funny!

    i am totally subscribing for life!

    keep it up you wild & crazy “dudes”!

  381. 381prodromal_phase on Oct 4, 2009 at 5:26 pm:

    I think its too early to assume that the iraq war is “won” it wont take long for something else to happen. i wish whole heartedly that all this political bullshit would jsut stop, but, it won’t.

  382. 382sandie on Aug 13, 2010 at 12:39 pm:


    if the iraq war is over and has been for almost two years then why does my husband have to go back there again in 2 days???!!!!!! we have been married for almost 7 years and i have seen him a total of 62 days out of the entire time we have been married and its due to him being in iraq so fucking much! im sick of the constant worrying if hes coming home alive. seriously send someone else. he has been there 8 times with this being his 9th. how can we start a family together with him never home??

  383. 383austin on Sep 12, 2010 at 9:26 am:

    irak did not win amarica did so all you iraken people can suck my dick ass holes

  384. 384شات صوتي on Jan 7, 2011 at 6:29 am:

    The Beastie Boys should play this

  385. 385Jeff Skjelver on Jun 13, 2011 at 10:01 pm:

    This is the dumbest fucking shit I have seen yet about the illegal, immoral, unnecessary, and expensive US invasion and occupation of Iraq.

  386. 386peter on Oct 16, 2011 at 11:30 pm:

    Great site very interesting read thank you…cheers Peter

  387. 387angryamerican_fromusa@yahoo.com on Oct 22, 2011 at 10:28 am:

    Zombie,
    Now that President Obama has declared that all US troops will be exiting out of Iraq and home for the 2011 Holidays, isn’t it time for you to resurrect VI Day and celebrate out troops victory in Iraq. After all, they are the ones deserving of the credit and not their commander in chief.

  388. 388juanito on Dec 31, 2011 at 5:45 pm:

    The official government VI Day is December 31, 2011, the official end of Operation New Dawn:

    Operation Iraqi Freedom/New Dawn

    They [Soldiers] will cross the border out of Iraq with their heads held
    high. One of the most extraordinary chapters in the history of the
    American military will come to an end. Iraq’s future will be in the hands
    of its people. America’s war in Iraq will be over.

    President Obama, 14 December 2011

    The magnitude of what this Nation and our Soldiers have accomplished in Iraq is unprecedented. We have never been more proud of our Army – our Soldiers, Civilians and our Families. You freed over twenty-five million people from tyranny and given hope when hope was forsaken. Our Army provided new opportunity for the people of Iraq. No other Army in the world could have accomplished what you have done – Only American Soldiers.

    Throughout Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation New Dawn, our Soldiers embodied physical and mental toughness and courage under fire. Over the past eight years, the quality of our Soldiers has stood in stark contrast to the desert sands. Just as the WWII generation defeated tyranny across the globe, a new generation – galvanized by the attacks of September 11th – bravely defeated tyranny once again. Even during the darkest days in Iraq, our Soldiers never wavered in the face of growing doubt. They continued to risk life and limb for a cause larger than themselves. For their heroic action, they received nearly 9,000 awards for valor including two Medals of Honor, 16 Distinguished Services Crosses, and 408 Silver Stars.

    We remember those who have made the ultimate sacrifice, our Wounded Warriors, our Gold Star Families, and all of our loved ones who have been touched by the horror of war. Their sacrifices have given meaning to our values and ideals. For that, we thank them. A grateful Nation will always remember, respect, and appreciate these heroes as the Next Greatest Generation.

    We are extremely proud of all of our Soldiers, Civilians, and Families. Our Army has once again proved that it is America’s Force of Decisive Action. Thank you for a job well done. Army Strong!

    //Original Signed//
    Raymond F. Chandler III
    Sergeant Major of the Army

    //Original Signed//
    Raymond T. Odierno
    General, United States Army Chief of Staff

    //Original Signed//
    John M. McHugh
    Secretary of the Army

  389. 389juanito on Dec 31, 2011 at 5:46 pm:

    juanito: Operation Iraqi Freedom/New DawnThey [Soldiers] will cross the border out of Iraq with their heads held high. One of the most extraordinary chapters in the history of the American military will come to an end. Iraq’s future will be in the hands of its people. America’s war in Iraq will be over. President Obama, 14 December 2011The magnitude of what this Nation and our Soldiers have accomplished in Iraq is unprecedented. We have never been more proud of our Army – our Soldiers, Civilians and our Families. You freed over twenty-five million people from tyranny and given hope when hope was forsaken. Our Army provided new opportunity for the people of Iraq. No other Army in the world could have accomplished what you have done – Only American Soldiers.Throughout Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation New Dawn, our Soldiers embodied physical and mental toughness and courage under fire. Over the past eight years, the quality of our Soldiers has stood in stark contrast to the desert sands. Just as the WWII generation defeated tyranny across the globe, a new generation – galvanized by the attacks of September 11th – bravely defeated tyranny once again. Even during the darkest days in Iraq, our Soldiers never wavered in the face of growing doubt. They continued to risk life and limb for a cause larger than themselves. For their heroic action, they received nearly 9,000 awards for valor including two Medals of Honor, 16 Distinguished Services Crosses, and 408 Silver Stars.We remember those who have made the ultimate sacrifice, our Wounded Warriors, our Gold Star Families, and all of our loved ones who have been touched by the horror of war. Their sacrifices have given meaning to our values and ideals. For that, we thank them. A grateful Nation will always remember, respect, and appreciate these heroes as the Next Greatest Generation.We are extremely proud of all of our Soldiers, Civilians, and Families. Our Army has once again proved that it is America’s Force of Decisive Action. Thank you for a job well done. Army Strong!//Original Signed//
    Raymond F. Chandler III
    Sergeant Major of the Army//Original Signed//
    Raymond T. Odierno
    General, United States Army Chief of Staff//Original Signed//
    John M. McHugh
    Secretary of the Army

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    Thanks for the laugh, everyone.

  392. 392Me on May 18, 2014 at 5:16 am:

    Zombie I sure hope your not blaming Obama for what’s going on in Iraq insurgents taking Fallujha and all VI Day Victory

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