All the Fishy Rumors

All the Fishy Rumors

Joseph Q. Sixpack argues with friends about health care and what it should cost
Was he double-crossed?
Emails the White House, turns himself in for the thought crime of doubting The One
It has begun.

All the fishy rumors
Where do they all come from?
All the fishy rumors
Where do they all belong?

Doctor McKenzie sits on a panel determining who is worth what
Where can we cut?
Adding the numbers: Ten thousand bucks for a test when they’re as good as dead
We’re in the red.

All the fishy rumors
Where do they all come from?
All the fishy rumors
Where do they all belong?

Joseph Q. Sixpack just wants control of his life and not feel like he’s lost in the throng
Is that so wrong?
Doctor McKenzie wiping the dirt from his hands as he walks from the grave
Money was saved.

All the fishy rumors
Where do they all come from?
All the fishy rumors
Where do they all belong?


Report this song to flag@whitehouse.gov

Lyrics by Lenin-McCarthy.

76 Responses to “All the Fishy Rumors”

  1. 1Guy Average on Sep 9, 2009 at 9:26 am:

    Now if you could please post the mp3 of this, I’ll put it on my IPOD and take it to DC on the 12th.

    Thanks Zombie!

  2. 2zombie on Sep 9, 2009 at 9:35 am:

    #1 Guy Average

    Problem is, I can’t sing! So — sorry. But if someone else wants to record it — be my guest! All Lenin-McCarthy songs are in the public domain.

    Just be sure to post here a link to the mp3 when you’re done!

  3. 3MikeHu on Sep 9, 2009 at 10:37 am:

    Been away so long I hardly knew the place,
    Gee it’s good to be back home.
    Leave it till tomorrow to unpack my case.
    Honey disconnect the phone.
    I’m back in the U.S.S.R.
    You don’t know how lucky you are boy.
    Back in the U.S. Back in the U.S. Back in the U.S.S.R.

  4. 4pat on Sep 9, 2009 at 10:57 am:

    May be Limbaugh’s guy could set it to music.

  5. 5buzzsawmonkey on Sep 9, 2009 at 11:25 am:

    I feel like I’ve been instrumental in sparking a new folk revival.

  6. 6CattusMagnus on Sep 9, 2009 at 11:30 am:

    Cute.

  7. 7zombie on Sep 9, 2009 at 12:32 pm:

    #5 buzzsawmonkey

    I feel like I’ve been instrumental in sparking a new folk revival.

    Maybe “filk revival” is slightly more accurate!
    (Filk=parodies of folk and/or popular songs, generally done by nerds and geeks.)

    Someone needs to start a political-themed version of the Dr. Demento show.

  8. 8Guy Average on Sep 9, 2009 at 6:09 pm:

    #7 Zombie:
    Someone needs to start a political-themed version of the Dr. Demento show.

    There is an abundance of potential material for a show like that!

  9. 9Ringo the Gringo on Sep 10, 2009 at 7:46 am:

    Hey zombie, Have you seen this one?…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAmVYf23J-k

    Pretty funny!

  10. 10Emmie on Sep 10, 2009 at 10:17 am:

    Nice one, zombie. I’d have to sing it to see if it scanned, but then birds would fall out of the sky and glass would shatter. I’ll refrain.

  11. 11lincolntf on Sep 10, 2009 at 10:58 am:

    Very clever as usual, Zombie.

    It’s nice to have a laugh while contemplating this health care fiasco.

  12. 12Ed on Sep 10, 2009 at 9:16 pm:

  13. 13rain of lead on Sep 12, 2009 at 6:16 am:

    hey zombie,
    great work
    I have to say, I have given up my account at lgf, when he blew you off about the van jones stuff and then defending
    acorn I saw that lgf is no longer what it once was, very sad but with charles moving to the left i felt it as time for me to go
    keep fighting the good fight

  14. 14stuiec on Sep 12, 2009 at 10:56 am:

    Ode to Barry O

    It was 09 September in the House of Representatives
    They had invited the Senate and everybody said, “What gives?
    Barack Obama’s coming and I want to know what he will say,
    And will his hundredth speech on health care matter anyway?”
    I was about to go and grab a cold one from out the fridge
    When I heard Obama talk about the man from Chappaquiddick Bridge.

    Barry said to the Congress, “You know, it don’t seem right;
    Ted was working four decades and he never once gave up the fight.
    He could get McCain and Hatch and Grassley lined up on his side,
    But he couldn’t get health care reform through Congress before he died.
    None of his passion and conviction made the cause advance a single smidge,
    Not since the day that Teddy Kennedy drove off the Chappaquiddick Bridge.”

    Now the hours have come and gone since Obama made that fateful speech:
    The Congress members from the GOP made fun of him for overreach,
    While Democrats cheered on his call to get his healthcare plan passed right now –
    Though none of them could even tell you what was in it anyhow.
    The hopes for Barry-pleasin’ health reform from Hawaii to the Blue Ridge
    Have fallen in to the muddy water off the Chappaquiddick Bridge.

  15. 15Ken on Sep 12, 2009 at 4:37 pm:

    Quite possibly the most ridiculous entry in this history of this entire webpage.

    It’s hard to take your claims on neutrality seriously sometimes, Zombie.

    “Lenin and McCarthy?” Give me a break. Might as well have put Hitler and Moses together.

  16. 16zombie on Sep 12, 2009 at 5:22 pm:

    #15 Ken:

    Well, now we know there is no sense of humor in China.

    “Neutrality”? When did I ever claim to be neutral?

    I claim to be factual and honest, sure. But never “neutral.” I’ve had at least 20 posts opposing, attacking or mocking Obama one way or another. What more evidence of non-neutrality do you need?

    And if you don’t think the Lenin-McCarthy songwriting team is funny, well, there’s no hope for you. But I do like your Hitler-Moses idea. Maybe I’ll try that next time.

  17. 17Ken on Sep 12, 2009 at 7:41 pm:

    “Well, now we know there is no sense of humor in China”

    Oh, I have as good a sense of humor as the next guy, Zomb. And I do enjoy a good parody. But do you honestly think people are getting “turned in” for emailing the White House? Doctors purposefully deciding not to treat terminally-ill patients? That’s nothing but paranoia and hysteria and you’re making a pretty loud statement by associating yourself with it and proliferating it, however jokingly it may have been presented. You claim to be factual but I have yet to see any report about people being investigated or turned in for emailing the White House or the like. I’ve been paying attention to other things, though, so maybe I missed it.

    “When did I ever claim to be neutral?”

    You’ve inferred as much plenty of times. What with mentioning that you aren’t “anti-Obama” and that you even voted for him, claiming that this isn’t a “conservative” or “right-wing” site, juxtaposing that with the content of your blog. At least to me it seemed to be that you were trying to pass yourself off as neutral or, at the very least, “fair and balanced” (pardon the reference, though it’s probably appropriate), which is admirable. Anyone can see, though, that this is a “conservative” site, at least in the commonly-used present-day-USA sense of the word. You might as well just admit it.

    “And if you don’t think the Lenin-McCarthy songwriting team is funny, well, there’s no hope for you”

    The pun on the names was funny enough, but it just looks stupid to see the two together. I’m sure they wouldn’t have very much to talk about.

    You’ve devoted a couple of posts to Bush Derangment Syndrome. Kudos for that, because plenty of the rabid ultra-left (I consider myself a moderate leftist) were erroneously convinced that Bush was the root of all evil. Hopefully we’ll be seeing a post soon about the “Obama Derangement Syndrome” currently infecting the nation including, I’m sad to say, this blog.

  18. 18stuiec on Sep 12, 2009 at 8:37 pm:

    Ken, this is why the Left keeps shooting itself in the foot. It can dish it out, but it can’t take it.

    Were you leading the van in the movement to have web photo essays comparing Bush to a chimpanzee expunged from the Internet? No? Seems I recall that there was no such movement: Leftists thought it was a completely justified parody, and Rightists thought it was free speech.

    But when an editorial cartoonist juxtaposed a real-life story about an insane chimpanzee being shot with the insanity of the stimulus bill, every Lefty immediately screamed, “RACISM! OBAMA-HATING RACISM! THEY’RE CALLING THE PRESIDENT A CRAZY CHIMPANZEE! THEY’RE INCITING VIOLENCE!” (Again, the cops in the cartoon say of the dead chimp, “Now they’ll have to get someone else to write the stimulus bill” — to think that was a reference to Obama would be to think that Obama wrote the stimulus bill, when anyone with minimal awareness knows that Obama punted the writing of the bill to the Democrats in Congress.)

    Because Leftists are so thin-skinned (and your response to zombie’s parody puts you dead-center in that category), they’re easily manipulated into reducing themselves to sputtering chin-dribblers — rather than laughing at the fun poked at them, and then coming back with even sharper and funnier retorts.

  19. 19nadadhimmi on Sep 12, 2009 at 8:41 pm:

    Do not equate Senator Joe McCarthy with the Communist Lenin. McCarthy was a true patriot. He said there were very high level spies in the Govt. Turns out thru the Venona Papers and declassified KGB files that the Asst Sec State, Alger Hiss, and also FDR’s 3rd Vice President, Henry Wallace were both paid Soviet Agents with pay records, code names and controls. There were many others, Harry Hopkins, FDR’s favorite adviser was a commie too. I’d say the Vice President is a “very high office holder”, wouldn’t you?? McCarthy was correct and that is why the msm used Alinsky tactics to destroy him. The msm haven’t changed a bit, they are still Anti-American and pro Communist.

  20. 20zombie on Sep 12, 2009 at 9:24 pm:

    #17 Ken

    What with mentioning that you aren’t “anti-Obama” and that you even voted for him

    I think you’ve got me confused with someone else. I never, ever said I voted for him. Nor did I even imply it. How could I, after all the stuff the I and others dug up about him?

    Anyone can see, though, that this is a “conservative” site, at least in the commonly-used present-day-USA sense of the word. You might as well just admit it.

    I’m not conservative, despite the pigeonhole you want to cram me into. I’m pro-choice, I voted for Prop. 8 (gay marriage), I’m a strong environmentalist, I’m non-religious, I reject all forms of racism and fascism, I’m laissez-faire about people’s private lifestyle choices, I don’t like guns, I even think the government has a role in controlling/monitoring certain aspects of society (i.e. I support governmental arms such as the FDA [certifying food and drug safety], the Securities and Exchange Commission [keeping tabs on unscrupulous capitalists], and I even support certain kinds of welfare [Food stamp programs, SSI assistance for the disabled], etc. etc. etc.) And so on. Does that sound like an American conservative to you? On the other hand, I support some positions also supported by conservatives. All in all, it’s about a 50-50 split, though I don’t identify with either label — liberal or conservative. My personal political “orientation” currently has no label, which is why I eventually plan to write an essay on this very topic: defining a new “pole” on the political spectrum.

    Sorry I don’t fit your preconceptions.

    Hopefully we’ll be seeing a post soon about the “Obama Derangement Syndrome” currently infecting the nation

    I currently live in Obama-worship central. I have never seen an anti-Obama movement around my neck of the woods. Actually, that’s not entirely true — but the few people around here attacking Obama are attacking him from his left flank, because he just isn’t pushing the far-left agenda strongly enough, in their view.

    I can’t very well document ODS because I’ve never observed it.

    The liberal areas protested against Bush during his term. Now, conservative areas protest against Obama during his term. This new phase in politics in not on my turf. Sorry.

  21. 21zombie on Sep 12, 2009 at 9:29 pm:

    19 nadadhimmi
    I’m not putting down McCarthy. I realize that he was factually correct about his statements concerning Soviet agents and communists infiltrating the government. I just thought it was funny pairing up the two polar opposites as a team. But just because they’re polar opposites doesn’t mean I regard them as equally bad.

  22. 22Ken on Sep 12, 2009 at 10:37 pm:

    Sure, Zomb, I was confused. You didn’t say you voted for Obama, you said you voted for Prop 8. My mistake. I got confused. I retract that part of my post (I should do better research).

  23. 23Ken on Sep 12, 2009 at 10:42 pm:

    “which is why I eventually plan to write an essay on this very topic: defining a new ‘pole’ on the political spectrum”

    As I loyal reader, I’m looking forward to it.

    This post just didn’t sit well with me. You can write whatever you want, of course, but I’m pretty sure we all know what extreme this site leans to, even if you’re in denial about it. Remember, I’m not talking about Zombie’s personal politics but the site itself. I suppose readers just take from it what they will. Maybe I’m wrong this time, as I often am.

  24. 24Ken on Sep 12, 2009 at 10:45 pm:

    180

    “Because Leftists are so thin-skinned (and your response to zombie’s parody puts you dead-center in that category)”

    You’d do best not to generalize in my case. I call myself a “leftist” because of where my politics lay, not because of how I thought about Bush or how I think about Obama, neither of which I know or care about. Neither of them have anything to do with me.

  25. 25Starless on Sep 13, 2009 at 4:07 am:

    Filking (somewhat disturbing, but SFW)

    Technically, filking is Trek-centric. According to Trekkies 2, someone decided to add folk singing to a convention and hit “i” instead of “o” while writing it up in the convention schedule.

    And don’t even get started on LARPing. That’s even more disturbing.

  26. 26Starless on Sep 13, 2009 at 4:11 am:

    ObamaCare theme song. Ed Begley Jr., best drummer to die in a gardening accident ever.

    Ken and naddadhimmi, it’s a joke, satire, try to lighten up a little bit.

  27. 27rain of lead on Sep 13, 2009 at 6:04 am:

    zombie,watch your back,they are starting to turn on you at 1.0

    150 Sharmuta
    9/12/2009 9:24:35 pm PDT 1
    down
    up
    report

    “re: #35 noshariaincanada

    my own take from viewing coverage of the event from different sites is similar to yours. You can always cherrypick images if you want to make a point, but the sheer number of people reported makes it unlikely (imho) that the above images are actually represenative of the event [with all due respect to the lizard master]”

    Interesting theory. How do we know if the protest events of the last 8 years weren’t similarly “cherry-picked”? If other people’s work was indeed “cherry-picked” is it acceptable to do the same now, or should we question what we’ve been led to believe about leftist protests for the last 8 years?

    Just wondering.

  28. 28Starless on Sep 13, 2009 at 8:05 am:

    #37 rain of lead

    Starting? LOL. I think CJ long ago decided that Tea Party attendees are primarily racist and creationist crazies and that any evidence to the contrary is invalid. Regarding Nazi/Hitler images at Tea Parties, there will be no questions about mobys or timing issues allowed or you will be summarily hit with the ban hammer.

  29. 29Ringo the Gringo on Sep 13, 2009 at 9:53 am:

    #20 zombie,

    I think you might fall under the category of “classical-liberal”, sometimes referred to pejoratively by the Left as “neo-liberal”.

    That’s pretty much where I fall as well, although I’m not quite 50/50. I think I’m more 30/60 on the left/right scale.

    I think what this country really needs is a revival of the classical “mind your own business” form of liberalism, but no one seems to be articulating this….In fact, I think this is the very attitude by which most Americans live.

  30. 30stuiec on Sep 13, 2009 at 11:22 am:

    #24 Ken

    “You’d do best not to generalize in my case. I call myself a ‘leftist’ because of where my politics lay, not because of how I thought about Bush or how I think about Obama, neither of which I know or care about. Neither of them have anything to do with me.”

    Not generalizing. I call you “humorless” because of your words that you posted here. I note that humorlessness is endemic on the Left. Sure, “Bush = chimp” drives them into paroxysms of laughter, but “Obama = Joker”? That goads them into fits of high dudgeon, ranting about ODS and crypto-Nazi conspiracies and bad-crazy kooks.

    Once it becomes obvious where your buttons are and how to push them, you give up a lot of control to your opponents.

  31. 31Squanto McButterpants on Sep 13, 2009 at 2:11 pm:

    #17 Ken,

    I don’t think the original “zombie” is running this site anymore — I think it’s a new guy. Compare some of the early posts to the stuff written now and you’ll see what I mean.

  32. 32Emmie on Sep 13, 2009 at 4:32 pm:

    Guy? zombie is a guy? Since when has zombie given us that knowledge?

    Why is everyone becoming so grim and angry? It’s like they’re all about to have control from an important aspect of their lives, like health care or something, taken away. Sheesh.

  33. 33stuiec on Sep 13, 2009 at 4:40 pm:

    Emmie #32: I think some of the commenters are trying to get people to choose sides between zombie and LGF. I think that’s unfortunate, because it’s clear that zombie has never disrespected Charles Johnson and has no ulterior motives toward LGF.

    But it’s also clear that anyone expecting zombie to think in lock-step with someone else is going to be sorely disappointed. I’ve always thought that zombietime was about identifying people who do think in lock-step rather than using their own brains for themselves — hence the ironic handle zombie.

  34. 34Dave Surls on Sep 14, 2009 at 1:46 am:

    “And if you don’t think the Lenin-McCarthy songwriting team is funny”

    I smiled. Reminded me of the Firesign Theater’s “All Hail Marx and Lennon” (Groucho and John) album cover.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Can_You_Be_in_Two_Places_at_Once_When_You're_Not_Anywhere_at_All

    And, if you’re familiar with that…you’re old.

  35. 35Starless on Sep 14, 2009 at 5:51 am:

    #32 Emmie

    IMO, the ironic part of all of the attempts to assign Zombie a gender is that zombies are by their very nature entirely sexless. Or are they? The brain is supposed to be the largest sex organ in the body, zombies are always trying to eat brains, therefore…

  36. 36Phil on Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19 am:

    Eleanor Rigby is one of my favorites. Hey, Zombie, I thought you’d enjoy this anagram:

    “The late John Lennon, Sir Paul McCartney, the late George Harrison, and Ringo Starr” ->
    “In long careers, they all once sang major hits in a rather talented Northern group.” (Larry Brash)

  37. 37Kowa B on Sep 14, 2009 at 2:03 pm:

    Zombie, I don’t know where you got your “information” that recently declassified Soviet documents have vindicated McCarthy. The “Verona” documents mentioned did show there were more Soviet agents in 1950′s American than previously suspected; however, none of them were people accused by McCarthy. He was an awful man who ruined people’s lives for political gain. He epitomized everything wrong with America, then and now.

    Either that, or you don’t believe the propaganda of the pro-communist publication, the Wall Street Journal.
    http://www.opinionjournal.com/medialog/?id=110003713

  38. 38noshariaincanada on Sep 14, 2009 at 3:39 pm:

    Zombie, I look forward to your continued contributions to real reporting, even as I mourn the drastic shift to the left that has made LGF a shadow of its former self.

    Independent thinkers are no longer welcome there – any dissension from Charles’ diktat is met with “flounce”, which I guess is his prerogative.

    Anyhow, it is sad to see the anti-idiotarians becoming splintered, but it is reality and we must deal with it.

  39. 39buckykat on Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 pm:

    Mock on, Zombie.
    Comedians have been reluctant to mock The One. The LA Weekly had a lurid poster of Bush as a vampire on its cover. But these liberals scream “Racism!” at the Joker poster of Obama. There is a certain amount of disillusionment and disappointment developing among his deluded supporters as they begin to see what a weasel he is. So keep on mocking.

  40. 40Dave Surls on Sep 14, 2009 at 7:07 pm:

    “He was an awful man”

    Off topic. But, that’s total baloney.

    FDR was an awful man. Joseph McCarthy was not an awful man.

  41. 41Squanto McButterpants on Sep 14, 2009 at 7:22 pm:

    I remember when zombietime used to take pictures of loons like this:

    http://www.tarstarkas.net/blog/2009/09/12/teabag-mania-11-the-white-house-has-a-lyin-african/

    This site has become what it used to mock.

  42. 42MacGruber on Sep 14, 2009 at 8:53 pm:

    Dave, how old are you?

  43. 43stuiec on Sep 14, 2009 at 10:04 pm:

    Squanto #41 – you seem sad that zombie doesn’t toe your political line. Ever stop to think that s/he’s entitled to post whatever s/he sees fit on the blog s/he owns and operates? And to go out and find the examples of political looniness that s/he chooses?

    It’s amazing how the people so enraged and offended by the signs at the TEA Parties and the 9/12 march insist that everyone else has to be enraged and offended just like them. One would think they were demanding mindless conformity. Sort of like a certain LunGFish I know….

  44. 44stuiec on Sep 14, 2009 at 10:11 pm:

    Joseph McCarthy was no peach. But guess what? The Rosenbergs really were traitors who ran espionage into the Manhattan Project and smuggled atom bomb secrets to the Soviet Union — we can thank them specifically for the duck and cover drills, the bomb shelter mania and the general background terror of Mutually Assured Destruction that prevailed from the 1950s to the 1990s. By extension, they also enabled nuclear proliferation to Pakistan, North Korea, Iran….

    The one saving grace of the Soviet espionage effort was their misguided belief that infiltrating the cultural arts would have a fatal influence on the capitalist system. They failed to realize that, once they were making the big bucks in Hollywood, their spies and fellow travelers really didn’t want to jeopardize their high lifestyles by making propaganda. Plenty of Commies, but very few willing to buck the studio system to get the Soviet message onto the big screen.

  45. 45Dave Surls on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 pm:

    “The “Verona” documents…”

    Btw, it’s “Venona”, not “Verona”. Verona is a town in Italy.

    “…however, none of them were people accused by McCarthy.”

    Wrong.

    Example:

    “Mary Jane Keeney (1898-1969) and her husband Philip Olin Keeney were librarians and charter members of the liberal The Progressive Librarians Council. She worked at the Board of Economic Warfare in Washington D.C. during World War II. In November 1945, Keeney travelled to Europe to work with the Allied Staff on Reparations.”

    “She was alleged to be passing information to the Soviet Union through Joseph Milton Bernstein. After the war Keeney worked at the United Nations. Deciphered Venona cables and her own diaries, corroborate the fact that Keeney and her husband, Philip Keeney, both worked for the GRU. Keeney’s diary details that Sergey Kurnakov became their new KGB handler.”

    “In February 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy accused Keeney of being a member of the Communist Party…”–wiki

  46. 46Dave Surls on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:15 pm:

    “Dave, how old are you?”

    Old enough to pick apart the arguments of lefties without breaking a sweat.

    Also, old enough to know the difference between Venona and Verona.

  47. 47Anonymous on Sep 15, 2009 at 9:16 am:

    #34 Dave Surls
    And, if you’re familiar with that…you’re old.

    Ah, the joy of agedness…

  48. 48Emmie on Sep 15, 2009 at 9:40 am:

    If anyone is actually looking to learn something about the history of Soviet spying in America, two gentlemen named John Haynes and Harvey Klehr have put together a number of excellent books.

  49. 49MacGruber on Sep 15, 2009 at 4:52 pm:

    Based on his level of intellectual maturity I think Dave is a freshman in college. Dave, how old are you?

  50. 50Squanto McButterpants on Sep 15, 2009 at 4:55 pm:

    Hey zombie, why don’t you cover any of the loony right wing protests?

  51. 51Guy Average on Sep 15, 2009 at 8:56 pm:

    #34 Dave

    That’s exactly what I thought of when I saw Zombie’s post.

    Now Don’t Crush That Dwarf and Hand Me the Pliers.

    (I don’t feel old though)

  52. 52stuiec on Sep 15, 2009 at 9:10 pm:

    “Darn! They never come up into the hills!”

  53. 53DC Jane on Sep 15, 2009 at 11:09 pm:

    Whats up with all the bitterness?

  54. 54Squanto McButterpants on Sep 16, 2009 at 1:44 am:

    #53, it’s called Obama Derangement Syndrome.

  55. 55zombie on Sep 16, 2009 at 2:27 pm:

    50 Squanto McButterpants

    Hey zombie, why don’t you cover any of the loony right wing protests?

    As I’ve already pointed out several times here in the comments sections to my various posts: I don’t cover right-wing protests because there aren’t any right-wing protests in my area. Understand? I cover what I see in my vicinity. I can’t cover every news event that happens in America, because most news events don’t happen in the San Francisco Bay Area.

    Liberal protests happen here where I am. Conservative protests happen in other areas of the country. Sorry — I can’t control that. The focus of the news-making has shifted elsewhere.

    If you become aware of any big conservative protests coming up in San Francisco, feel free to post them here, and maybe I can check one out. But I personally have never seen one.

  56. 56Dave Surls on Sep 16, 2009 at 3:05 pm:

    “Ah, the joy of agedness…”

    “I don’t feel old though”

    A couple of my kids stopped by the house last night, and we watched a couple of movies. I sprawled out on the floor to watch, instead of sitting on the couch…and, it took me about three hours to get back up after they left.

    The old joints ain’t quite as limber as they used to be.

  57. 57Duderino on Sep 16, 2009 at 6:58 pm:

    “Doctor McKenzie sits on a panel determining who is worth what
    Where can we cut?
    Adding the numbers: Ten thousand bucks for a test when they’re as good as dead
    We’re in the red.”

    I love how you can claim to be factual yet include that line. Unless you’re mocking the whole “Death Panel” crew and it flew over my head, the “Death Panel” claim itself has been proven time and again to be a completely fictitious concoction by the far right to scare the ignorant.

  58. 58Dave Surls on Sep 16, 2009 at 7:33 pm:

    ‘…the “Death Panel” claim itself has been proven time and again to be a completely fictitious concoction by the far right to scare the ignorant.’

    Oh?

    ‘PORTLAND, Ore. — Some terminally ill patients in Oregon who turned to their state for health care were denied treatment and offered doctor-assisted suicide instead, a proposal some experts have called a “chilling” corruption of medical ethics.’

    ‘Since the spread of his prostate cancer, 53-year-old Randy Stroup of Dexter, Ore., has been in a fight for his life. Uninsured and unable to pay for expensive chemotherapy, he applied to Oregon’s state-run health plan for help.’

    ‘Lane Individual Practice Association (LIPA), which administers the Oregon Health Plan in Lane County, responded to Stroup’s request with a letter saying the state would not cover Stroup’s pricey treatment, but would pay for the cost of physician-assisted suicide.’

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392962,00.html

    “Death panels” already exist as part of government provided health care, and are, in fact, inevitable.

  59. 59stuiec on Sep 16, 2009 at 8:33 pm:

    Another variant of the Death Panel: the Angel of Mercy killing crew: doctors deciding to kill the people they find too much trouble to deal with during times of extreme stress.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/magazine/30doctors.html?_r=2&hp

    The smell of death was overpowering the moment a relief worker cracked open one of the hospital chapel’s wooden doors. Inside, more than a dozen bodies lay motionless on low cots and on the ground, shrouded in white sheets. Here, a wisp of gray hair peeked out. There, a knee was flung akimbo. A pallid hand reached across a blue gown.

    Within days, the grisly tableau became the focus of an investigation into what happened when the floodwaters of Hurricane Katrina marooned Memorial Medical Center in Uptown New Orleans. The hurricane knocked out power and running water and sent the temperatures inside above 100 degrees. Still, investigators were surprised at the number of bodies in the makeshift morgue and were stunned when health care workers charged that a well-regarded doctor and two respected nurses had hastened the deaths of some patients by injecting them with lethal doses of drugs. Mortuary workers eventually carried 45 corpses from Memorial, more than from any comparable-size hospital in the drowned city.

    Investigators pored over the evidence, and in July 2006, nearly a year after Katrina, Louisiana Department of Justice agents arrested the doctor and the nurses in connection with the deaths of four patients. The physician, Anna Pou, defended herself on national television, saying her role was to “help” patients “through their pain,” a position she maintains today. After a New Orleans grand jury declined to indict her on second-degree murder charges, the case faded from view.

    In the four years since Katrina, Pou has helped write and pass three laws in Louisiana that offer immunity to health care professionals from most civil lawsuits — though not in cases of willful misconduct — for their work in future disasters, from hurricanes to terrorist attacks to pandemic influenza. The laws also encourage prosecutors to await the findings of a medical panel before deciding whether to prosecute medical professionals. Pou has also been advising state and national medical organizations on disaster preparedness and legal reform; she has lectured on medicine and ethics at national conferences and addressed military medical trainees. In her advocacy, she argues for changing the standards of medical care in emergencies. She has said that informed consent is impossible during disasters and that doctors need to be able to evacuate the sickest or most severely injured patients last — along with those who have Do Not Resuscitate orders — an approach that she and her colleagues used as conditions worsened after Katrina.

    Pou and others cite what happened at Memorial and Pou’s subsequent arrest — which she has referred to as a “personal tragedy” — to justify changing the standards of care during crises. But the story of what happened in the frantic days when Memorial was cut off from the world has not been fully told. Over the past two and a half years, I have obtained previously unavailable records and interviewed dozens of people who were involved in the events at Memorial and the investigation that followed.

    The interviews and documents cast the story of Pou and her colleagues in a new light. It is now evident that more medical professionals were involved in the decision to inject patients — and far more patients were injected — than was previously understood. When the names on toxicology reports and autopsies are matched with recollections and documentation from the days after Katrina, it appears that at least 17 patients were injected with morphine or the sedative midazolam, or both, after a long-awaited rescue effort was at last emptying the hospital. A number of these patients were extremely ill and might not have survived the evacuation. Several were almost certainly not near death when they were injected, according to medical professionals who treated them at Memorial and an internist’s review of their charts and autopsies that was commissioned by investigators but never made public.

    Note that last sentence: Several were almost certainly NOT NEAR DEATH when they were injected, according to medical professionals who treated them at Memorial and an internist’s review of their charts and autopsies that was commissioned by investigators but never made public.

  60. 60Squanto McButterpants on Sep 16, 2009 at 10:00 pm:

  61. 61Dave Surls on Sep 17, 2009 at 3:29 pm:

    #59

    A nasty story. Just goes to show that you can’t trust ANYBODY with that kind of power, and “liberal” Democrats are the LEAST trustworthy of all.

  62. 62stuiec on Sep 17, 2009 at 4:48 pm:

    One piece that sort of sickens:

    There was an important party missing from the conversation. For years, a health care company known as LifeCare Hospitals of New Orleans had been leasing the seventh floor at Memorial. LifeCare operated a “hospital within a hospital” for critically ill or injured patients in need of 24-hour care and intensive therapy over a long period. LifeCare was known for helping to rehabilitate patients on ventilators until they could breathe on their own. LifeCare’s goal was to assist patients until they improved enough to return home or to nursing facilities; it was not a hospice.

    The 82-bed unit credentialed its own doctors, most of whom also worked at Memorial. It had its own administrators, nurses, pharmacists and supply chain. It also had its own philosophy: LifeCare deployed the full array of modern technology to keep alive its often elderly and debilitated patients. Horace Baltz, one of the longest-serving doctors at Memorial, told me of spirited debates among doctors over coffee about what some of his colleagues considered to be excessive resources being poured into hopeless cases. “We spend too much on these turkeys,” he said some would say. “We ought to let them go.”

    And another:

    Visitors who had come to the hospital for safety felt so desperate that they cheered when two airboats driven by volunteers from the Louisiana swamplands roared up to the flooded emergency-room ramp. The flotilla’s organizers, Mark and Sandra LeBlanc, had a special reason to come to Memorial: Vera LeBlanc, Mark’s 82-year-old mother, was at LifeCare, recovering from colon-cancer surgery. Sandra, an E.M.T., knew that her mother-in-law couldn’t swallow, so she was surprised when she saw that Vera and other patients who needed IVs to keep hydrated were no longer getting them. When her husband asked a Memorial administrator why, the administrator told him that the hospital was in survival mode, not treating mode. Furious, Mark LeBlanc asked, “Do you just flip a switch and you’re not a hospital anymore?”

    AND THIS:

    Cook sat on the emergency-room ramp smoking cigars with another doctor. Help was coming too slowly. There were too many people who needed to leave and weren’t going to make it, Cook said, describing for me his thinking at the time. It was a desperate situation and he saw only two choices: quicken their deaths or abandon them. “It was actually to the point where you were considering that you couldn’t just leave them; the humane thing would be to put ’em out.”

    Cook went to the staging area on the second floor where Anna Pou and two other doctors were directing care. Cots and stretchers seemed to cover every inch of floor space. Rodney Scott, an obese I.C.U. patient who was recovering from heart problems and several operations, lay motionless on a stretcher, covered in sweat and almost nothing else. A doctor had decided that he should be the last patient to leave the hospital because he weighed more than 300 pounds and might get stuck in the machine-room hole, backing up the evacuation line. Cook thought Scott was dead, and he touched him to make sure. But Scott turned over and looked at him.

    “I’m O.K., Doc,” Scott said. “Go take care of somebody else.”

    Despite how miserable the patients looked, Cook said, he felt there was no way, in this crowded room, to do what he had been thinking about. “We didn’t do it because we had too many witnesses,” he told me. “That’s the honest-to-God truth.”

    AND THIS ONE:

    Robichaux remembered Pou saying that the LifeCare patients were “not aware or not alert or something along those lines.” Robichaux recounted to investigators that she told Pou that that wasn’t true and said that one of LifeCare’s patients — Emmett Everett, a 380-pound man — was “very aware” of his surroundings. He had fed himself breakfast that morning and asked Robichaux, “So are we ready to rock and roll?”

    The 61-year-old Honduran-born manual laborer was at LifeCare awaiting colostomy surgery to ease chronic bowel obstruction, according to his medical records. Despite a freakish spinal-cord stroke that left him a paraplegic at age 50, his wife and nurses who worked with him say he maintained a good sense of humor and a rich family life, and he rarely complained. He, along with three of the other LifeCare patients on the floor, had no D.N.R. order.

    Everett’s roommates had already been taken downstairs on their way to the helicopters, whose loud propellers sent a breeze through the windows on his side of the LifeCare floor. Several times he appealed to his nurse, “Don’t let them leave me behind.” His only complaint that morning was dizziness, a LifeCare worker told Pou.

    “Oh, my goodness,” a LifeCare employee recalled Pou replying.

    Two Memorial nurses — identified as Cheri Landry and Lori Budo from the I.C.U. to investigators by a LifeCare pharmacist, Steven Harris — joined the discussion along with other LifeCare workers. (Through their lawyers, Landry and Budo declined to be interviewed. Harris never returned my calls.) They talked about how Everett was paralyzed and had complex medical problems and had been designated a “3” on the triage scale. According to Robichaux, the group concluded that Everett was too heavy to be maneuvered down the stairs, through the machine-room wall and onto a helicopter. Several medical staff members who helped lead boat and helicopter transport that day say they would certainly have found a way to evacuate Everett. They say they were never made aware of his presence.

    In his interviews with investigators, Andre Gremillion, a LifeCare nurse, said that the female physician in the office (he didn’t know Pou’s name) asked if someone who knew Everett could explain to him that because he was so big they did not think they would be able to evacuate him. They asked Gremillion whether he could “give him something to help him relax and explain the situation.” Gremillion told investigators that he didn’t want to be the one who told Everett that “we would probably be leaving and he would be staying.” At that point, Gremillion said, he lost his composure.

    Gremillion’s supervisor and friend, a LifeCare nursing director, Gina Isbell, told me she walked into the room around 11 a.m. and saw Gremillion crying and shaking his head. He brushed past her into the hallway, and Isbell followed, grabbing his arm and guiding him to an empty room. “I can’t do this,” he kept saying.

    ACCORDING TO STATEMENTS made to investigators by Steven Harris, the LifeCare pharmacist, Pou brought numerous vials of morphine to the seventh floor. According to investigators, a proffer from Harris’s lawyer said that Harris gave her additional morphine and midazolam — a fast-acting drug used to induce anesthesia before surgery or to sedate patients for medical procedures. Like morphine, midazolam depresses breathing; doctors are warned to be extremely careful when combining the two drugs.

    Kristy Johnson, LifeCare’s director of physical medicine, said she saw what happened next. She told Justice Department investigators that she watched Pou and two nurses draw fluid from vials into syringes. Then Johnson guided them to Emmett Everett in Room 7307. Johnson said she had never seen a physician look as nervous as Pou did. As they walked, she told investigators, she heard Pou say that she was going to give him something “to help him with his dizziness.” Pou disappeared into Everett’s room and shut the door.

    A local internal-medicine specialist concluded that while medical records and autopsies for several of the patients revealed medical issues that could reasonably have led to their deaths, most of the patients’ records did not. In his report to Minyard, he wrote that it was “evident” that Emmett Everett was “in stable medical status with no clear evidence that death was imminent or impending.” (Pou’s lawyer says that Everett almost certainly died of an enlarged heart, not an overdose of medication.)

    AND THIS OUTRAGE – DR. THIELE PRAYS FOR A PATIENT’S DEATH:

    Thiele saw that morphine, midazolam and syringes had been set up on a table near the A.T.M. There were about a dozen patients, and he took charge of the four closest to the windows — three elderly white women and a heavyset African-American man — starting IVs on those who didn’t have one. Apart from their breathing and the soft moans of one, the patients appeared “lifeless” and did not respond to him. Thiele saw Pou and several nurses working on patients lying near the hallway.

    Thiele wavered for a moment. He turned to Karen Wynn, the I.C.U. nurse manager at Memorial who led the hospital’s ethics committee. “Can we do this?” he remembers asking the highly respected nurse.

    Wynn felt that they needed to medicate the patients, she said when she described her experiences publicly for the first time in interviews with me over the past year. She acknowledged having heard rumors that patients were being euthanized, but she said no one had told her that that was what was happening to these patients and that her only aim was to make patients comfortable by sedating them. Wynn said she did not fear staying in the hospital after the 5 p.m. curfew announced by the State Police — she had already decided to ignore the evacuation deadline and stay at the hospital until everyone alive had been taken out. Instead, she said, she was motivated by how bad the patients looked.

    Wynn described turning to an elderly woman who was unconscious with labored breathing. She then prepared a syringe with morphine and midazolam, pushed it slowly into the woman’s IV line and watched her breathing ease. The woman died a short time later, which didn’t disturb Wynn because she had appeared to be close to death. Wynn told me that at that point all the staff could offer was “comfort, peace and dignity.” She said: “We did the best we could do. It was the right thing to do under the circumstances.”

    She added: “But even if it had been euthanasia, it’s not something we don’t really do every day — it just goes under a different name.”

    Thiele gave other patients a shot of morphine and midazolam at doses he said were higher than what he normally used in the I.C.U. He held their hands and reassured them, “It’s all right to go.” Most patients, Thiele told me, died within minutes of being medicated. But the heavyset African-American man didn’t.

    His mouth was open, his breathing was labored and everyone could hear his awful death rattle. Thiele tried more morphine. He tried prayer. He put his hand on the man’s forehead; Wynn and another nurse manager took the man’s hands in theirs. Together they chanted: “Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee.” They recited the Lord’s Prayer. They prayed for the man to die.

    The man kept breathing, and Wynn says she and her colleagues took that as a sign. “God said, ‘O.K., but I’m not ready for him.’ Or he wasn’t ready.” She remembers passing him through the hole in the machine-room wall on his way to the evacuation helicopters.

    Thiele has a different memory of what happened. “We covered his face with a towel” until he stopped breathing, Thiele told me.

    He says that it took less than a minute for the man to die and that he didn’t suffer. “This was totally against every fiber in my body,” Thiele told me, but he also said he knew what he did was right. “We were abandoned by the government, we were abandoned by Tenet, and clearly nobody was going to take care of these people in their dying moments.” He added, “I did what I would have wanted done to me if the roles were reversed.”

  63. 63zombie on Sep 18, 2009 at 10:40 am:

    #60 Squanto McButterpants

    I was totally unaware of those events until just now. I have no idea where to find out about them — I tried looking for such things ahead of time, but couldn’t find them listed anywhere. I’m much more hooked in to the left-wing political scene, where all the upcoming events are more clearly advertised. The few conservative protests seem to fly under my personal radar.

    But more importantly: If, as your post shows, other people are already going to such protests in order to document/discredit them, then obviously there’s no need for me to do so. Your insistence that I obey your dictates only reveals your political agenda.

    I don’t take orders for protest reports, like a waiter asking what you’d like to read. Never have, never will. I choose what I want to cover, and when. If you don’t like my choice of subjects — you are perfectly free to go elsewhere and find subjects you do like.

  64. 64Squanto McButterpants on Sep 18, 2009 at 1:31 pm:

    So you block my post for more than a day to try to think of an excuse, and this is all you can come up with?

    I flat out don’t believe you when you say you were unaware of this. These events were covered extensively on right wing blogs, including some very well-known ones that you have referenced in the past. Even if you don’t read these blogs, you could find this stuff with 1 minute of Google searching.

    I also notice your tone has completely changed now that I showed everyone these protests exist. Before you said you’d consider covering these protests if only they existed (see post 55 in this thread). Now you say “I don’t take orders for protest reports.”

    The obvious truth is that you didn’t cover these protests because you don’t want people to know that right wing protesters are just as crazy as left wing protesters.

    And in the end you conclude that your ignoring/ignorance of crazy behavior on the right demonstrates *my* political agenda. Ha ha. Nice try.

  65. 65stuiec on Sep 18, 2009 at 3:57 pm:

    Charles, is it really good form to invade a friend’s blog under an alias and berate him/her for not doing something (i.e., taking orders on posts from commenters) that you adamantly refuse to do?

  66. 66Dave Surls on Sep 18, 2009 at 10:58 pm:

    “The obvious truth is that you didn’t cover these protests because you don’t want people to know that right wing protesters are just as crazy as left wing protesters.”

    Show me the right wing equivalent of Breasts Not Bombs.

    The left fringers are orders of magnitude wackier than the right.

    That’s why they’re so entertaining.

  67. 67Dave Surls on Sep 18, 2009 at 11:12 pm:

    http://siliconvalleyteaparty.com/

    I agree with the Tea Party idea…but, let’s face it these guys are total squares. Mom, sis, apple pie stuff.

    No morbidly obese women flaunting their sagging breats, no burning American flags, no calls to “eat the rich”, no inflated scrotums.

    I like these guys…but, they’re hella boring.

  68. 68zombie on Sep 19, 2009 at 8:17 am:

    #64 Squanto McButterpants
    So you block my post for more than a day to try to think of an excuse, and this is all you can come up with?

    I did not “block your post” — WordPress automatically blocks all comments with more than 2 links in them, as a way of screening out spam comments (of which I would get a lot if not for this feature). The WordPress software is supposed to send me a notification email every time a likely spam comment is blocked, but there has always been a glitch and for some reason I never get those emails. So, since I first installed zomblog, I’ve always been non-notified that I have any comments “in moderation.” I only occasionally remember to go check. Yesterday I checked for the first time in over a week, and among the dozens of Russian dating service ads and Viagra spam was your comment — which I kindly approved, even though it was an insulting comment telling me what to do.

    I flat out don’t believe you when you say you were unaware of this. These events were covered extensively on right wing blogs, including some very well-known ones that you have referenced in the past. Even if you don’t read these blogs, you could find this stuff with 1 minute of Google searching.

    I don’t care whether or not you believe me. It is the truth. Firstly I was unaware that there were any tea party protests in San Francisco. And having seen the reports about them, they look quite mild and boring and not worth covering anyway, so I’m glad I didn’t waste my time going to them.

    Secondly, look carefully at zomblog to see exactly how many protest events I’ve been to in the last YEAR: http://www.zombietime.com/. You’ll see that in the last year I have been to just THREE protests. Three. And do you know how many left-wing protests and events I have skipped and/or ignored in that time? Hundreds. There’s stuff happening practically every single day around here. So, over the course of a year I skip hundreds of left-wing events and the opportunity to embarrass leftist hundreds of times, while skipping perhaps just two smaller right-wing protests — and suddenly that shows my bias and my preference for seeking out left-wing protests?

    The obvious truth is that you didn’t cover these protests because you don’t want people to know that right wing protesters are just as crazy as left wing protesters.

    The actual truth is that I have pretty much simply stopped going to protests altogether due to work and family commitments, as evidenced by the fact that I have done just three large protest reports in over a year.

    I also notice your tone has completely changed now that I showed everyone these protests exist. Before you said you’d consider covering these protests if only they existed (see post 55 in this thread). Now you say “I don’t take orders for protest reports.”

    My tone has not changed. I never, ever take “orders” for reports. In fact, it’s the exact opposite: if someone suggests I go to an event, then I can’t go to it, because I never show up where I am expected. Over the history of zombietime, I have skipped many events I otherwise wanted to cover because people “invited” me to attend it. If someone’s looking for zombie at an event — that’s an event I can’t cover.

    But most importantly, you keep insisting on some bizarre theory of yours that I somewhere, somehow declared that this was an even-handed site and that I announced my intention to seek out and mock conservatives just as much as I mock liberals. I never made such an announcement, nor such a claim. So your ridiculous attempts at a “gotcha!” moment (which are false anyway) just fall flat. Look at the history of my posts. Exactly how many times in the past six years have I gone out of my way to seek out some conservatives and hold them up for mockery? Very, very few — almost never. The only instances I can think of are the times I mocked Ron Paul supporters and then a few of the pro-Marines supporters at a Berkeley protest. Other than that, zombietime has been focused on mocking left-wingers since the day I founded the site. Get used to it. Don’t like my focus? No one’s forcing you to read my reports.

    As for your accusation that my coverage reveals some kind of nefarious hidden “agenda” on zombietime that I’m trying to hide: Tell me, how many posts have I made attacking Obama in one way or another? Dozens upon dozens. And how many posts have I made mocking McCain (or, before him, Bush)? None. Ever. Is that a “hidden” agenda, or an up-front agenda?

    Nothing is more annoying to a blog owner than people telling them what to cover on their blog. How about this: You go spend the next sixth months harassing and attacking liberal and left-wing bloggers. When you’re done, come back here and show me the evidence of you fulfilling my commandment about what you do with your life, and then I’ll try to dig up a conservative protest and go cover it.

    Alternately, I’ll stop telling you what to you if you stop telling me what to do.

  69. 69Squanto McButterpants on Sep 19, 2009 at 11:22 am:

    From your own FAQ:

    >>>Q: I can’t decipher your politics. Are you left-wing? Right-wing? Conservative? Liberal? Or what? I’m confused.
    A: I’m confused too. I’ve stopped believing in the existence of the “left/right dichotomy.” And every existing political label has been rendered meaningless by endless framing, reframing, and counter-reframing by competing political factions. There is no name or category that summarizes my wide-ranging opinions — opinions which, furthermore, are continuously evolving. The zombietime images speak for themselves, and my personal outlook should be irrelevant in any case.<<<

  70. 70stuiec on Sep 19, 2009 at 1:33 pm:

    #69 – wow, “Squanto,” you sure sound disappointed. Like you were expecting to find another source for a thesis on the madness of the Right. Really, for that sort of thing, you can find abundant material at Daily Kos and Little Green Footballs. Knock yourself out.

    zombie has a different focus: exposing the irrationality at the edges (and sometimes much closer to the very heart) of the Left. It’s kind of more important to look critically at Holdren’s beliefs than at some nutty sign held by a TEA Partier: the latter is a citizen spouting off, and the former is a Presidential advisor in a position to affect the lives of every American.

    Here’s a clue for you: you can find thousands of blogs that show you the crazies on the Right. Where do you find actual coverage of the crazies on the Left? Only here. Complaining to zombie about bias should be about 9,999th on your to-do list after getting all of the legacy media outlets to cover Lefty moonbats honestly… that is, if honesty has anything to do with your personal agenda.

  71. 71zombie on Sep 19, 2009 at 3:49 pm:

    #69 Squanto McButterpants
    From your own FAQ:

    Q: I can’t decipher your politics. Are you left-wing? Right-wing? Conservative? Liberal? Or what? I’m confused.
    A: I’m confused too. I’ve stopped believing in the existence of the “left/right dichotomy.” And every existing political label has been rendered meaningless by endless framing, reframing, and counter-reframing by competing political factions. There is no name or category that summarizes my wide-ranging opinions — opinions which, furthermore, are continuously evolving. The zombietime images speak for themselves, and my personal outlook should be irrelevant in any case.

    I stand by that FAQ. Every word of it remains true. And nothing in it compels me to attend every imaginable protest on every imaginable topic from every point of view. I go to events which are convenient for me to attend and which I think will be funny. A bunch of people standing around in Revolutionary War-era outfits protesting again lower taxes is about as boring as I can imagine — especially since I have no idea how to find out about such things ahead of time.

    I have in fact gone to some conservative-organized events. Events in which I disagreed with the conservative viewpoint. A good example is my “Walk for Life” report:
    http://www.zombietime.com/walk_for_life/
    And even though I personally am “pro-choice,” and in theory am on the side of the counter-protesters, I was absolutely appalled by the behavior, attitude, chants and signs exhibited by the pro-choice side, whereas the pro-life side at this event were rather dignified and silent. So, I reported on exactly what happened, not on what I wanted to happen. The reality was that the pro-choicers were abusive, extremist, outrageous, insulting, menacing and altogether a big turn-off. So even though I was theoretically politically aligned with the pro-choice counter-protesters, their behavior turned me off and repulsed me, frankly. And I had no choice but to report on what I saw.

    Maybe if I was in Kansas the tables would be turned and the roles would be reversed. I don’t know. I’m not in Kansas. I’m here. But in my experience, whenever right-wing and left-wing protesters come into close contact, the left-wingers have almost always come off looking much worse. (Another good example of this is the Berkeley Marines Protest of Feb 12, 2008: http://www.zombietime.com/berkeley_marines_2-12-2008/ , at which the lefties were totally irrational and creepy and violent compared to the right-wing/sane military supporters.)

    I have a strong feeling that if I managed to track down a small tea party protest somewhere in the Bay Area, it would be exceedingly tame and barely worth covering — if the reports you linked to above are any indication. Maybe in other areas the Tea Parties are full of whack-jobs — and if someone else in those areas covers those events, more power to them. I’m hardly the only citizen journalist in the country. But as for the Bay Area, I get the feeling that it’s not crazytown central for the conservatives. Sorry if that doesn’t satiate your narrative’s needs.

    And back to the FAQ: I am indeed someone whose beliefs are not encapsulated by existing labels. On “social issues” I’m mostly laissez-faire and/or “liberal” or whatever you want to call it; on economic and foreign policy, I’m mostly conservative/hawkish. As a result, I am strongly opposed to Obama’s economic proposals and agenda as well as his wrongheaded foreign policy, and feel no qualms about opposing him for that reason. And a Tea Party in which people protest against taxes and against the nationalization of the economy — I have no problem agreeing with that thesis either.

    The truth is: Street protesting and making a public fool out of yourself is generally a leftist tradition in America; Since the ’60s the “silent majority” of conservatives have generally stayed at home and consequently failed to embarrass themselves throwing Molotov cocktails on the street. Every now and then there’s a small eruption of conservative protests, but they are few and far between, and generally far less colorful or interesting than left-wing protests.

  72. 72stuiec on Sep 19, 2009 at 4:31 pm:

    The interesting thing is that where the extreme Right goes off the deep end, it starts to meld in with the extreme Left, especially on the subjects of Jews and Israel. Ron Paul type Truthers are as likely to think that 9/11 was an Israeli plot as Leftist peacenik Truthers are. And where does one classify QUIT – Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism? Are these anti-semitic Leftists or gay neo-Nazis?

  73. 73Squanto McButterpants on Sep 20, 2009 at 11:01 pm:

    I love how you say you’ve stopped believing in the existence of the left/right dichotomy, and then spend the rest of your post proving that false.

  74. 74Incognito on Oct 8, 2009 at 2:06 pm:

    Squanto McButterpants: The obvious truth is that you didn’t cover these protests because you don’t want people to know that right wing protesters are just as crazy as left wing protesters.

    Squanto (does sound like Charles though) I went to that CBS site and it said the participants in the Tea Party were Democrats, Republicans and Independents…does not sound like a right wing revolution to me. Sounds to me like a citizens protest because they are concerned. Zombie is right…it is covered elsewhere. Zombie is expert in covering what other news media ignore and are not covering. Like the San Francisco’s leather scene that is openly out on the street. This year the local SF paper did cover that event but of course did not expose what Zombie reported. I would not blame Zombie about not covering this year…going once would be enough !!!

  75. 75Incognito on Oct 8, 2009 at 2:09 pm:

    Squanto McButterpants: I love how you say you’ve stopped believing in the existence of the left/right dichotomy, and then spend the rest of your post proving that false.

    Look at Nazi and Communism, both extremes and both with similar ends! Of course Nazism could be considered left because of socialism…maybe a two different form of left ?

  76. 76Arnold47 on Oct 13, 2009 at 2:25 am:

    The consequences for teachers and stu- dents alike have been disastrous. ,