The latest essay at zombietime announces Victory in Iraq Day on November 22, 2008.
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Thank you for this post. it brought tears to my eyes. I am sp proud of our troops, our President, and our General Petraeus.
God bless America and the liberated people of Iraq!
What a fantastic idea! Tell everyone! This should become a new national holiday.
hey, comments are working again!!!!
Thank you for pointing out the obvious! And bringing the recognition these men and women deserve for their accomplishments!
The pictures bring chills to the spine and deep pride in our nation’s bravest men and women! THEY have done this! THEY are the ones that have fought all odds from terrorists, to inmams screaming at Friday prayers stirring up their audience to fight them, to extreme heat, to anti-war activists, to IED’s – OED’s – mortars – mines – snipers – faux reporters who held up a gun one moment and a camera the next, to our damned politicians, to last and not in the least – MSM who condemned and distorted every action our brave men and women made. And looked the other way during COUNTLESS acts of compassion, courtesy, selflessness, and humility.
For more pictures and news, please visit these two DoD photo download hubs:
One word for our most deserving men and women in digitals:
and their Families………
While I agree with everything that’s been said thus far, after spending a year in Iraq, I sometimes feel like Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai: “So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.”
Thanks for helping to preserve our right to freedom of speech.
I am so grateful for such brave people who put themselves aside to protect others. “No greater love hath someone than when they lay down their life for their friends”
I can’t help but feel bad for them because of the cheap shots levied at them by our political leaders and media. I honestly don’t think that I could handle it if I were them. I guess that it shows that I’m not as good a person as they.
It’s about time! Damn Bush should have announced this holiday long ago.
After WWI and WW2 we had parades and parties and celebrations. Even the Span-Am War had some famous post-war parades and victory parties. Yet Korea, Vietnam, Iraq: the troops got nuttin. Even after the Civil War the soldiers mostly had to walk home hundreds of miles on foot, with hardly a thank ya.
WWI was a crap war and yet we still celebrate Armistice Day (Nov 11) now as “Veterans Day”. Our boys did much better this time around, so they deserve just as much acknowledgment. Therefore, this is a great idea.
Yay, comments are back up.
Great post. Just wanted to point out that the bases in Turkey, Germany and Korea are not “Air Force bases”. They’re just Air Bases; Air Force bases exist only within the United States.
Happy VI Day, folks!
- Regards from Asia
Zombie: What was it that was stopping comments? I’m still curious from last night? Also, thanks for coming up with this campaign, it’s going to be well appreciated.
That last comment was me btw.
I always knew our troops would get the job done and that my son’s work there would pay off.
VI Day — What a great way to say thank you.
The last comment comes from a proud american and father.
What, too much?
HIP HIP HOORAY !!!!!
HIP HIP HOORAY !!!!!
OUR TROOPS ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST !!!!!
HAPPY VI DAY TO ALL OUR BRAVE TROOPS THAT HAVE “GOTTEN THE JOB DONE” !!!!!!!
GOD BLESS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM FOR A JOB WELL DONE !!!!!
VICTORY IS YOURS – EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU !!!!!!
YOU ALL MADE HISTORY HAPPEN IN IRAQ, HISTORY MEN & WOMEN !!!! HISTORY !!!!
I have been behind you 100% during the whole deal !!! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED !!!!!!
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the sacrifices that you have made to make a HUGE difference for the Iraqi people… they NOW will know what it is like to have FREEDOM !!! Because of YOU !!!!
Congratulations and thanks to EACH and EVERY one of our BRAVE Troops !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the sacrifices of all of their families during their deployments – AMERICA THANKS YOU !!!!!!!
I just made your post a Facebook event. If you are on FB I can make you one of the moderators. It will attract flies, so I thought uploads of photos and videos should be moderated, but not comments for now. I will be happy to ride herd on it. But if you want to change or add anything please ask. And if you aren’t on FB you should be.
Hey, check out the essay again — got a new header up there that looks great!:
10 Anonymous: “Zombie: What was it that was stopping comments? I’m still curious from last night?”
It turned out to be a VERY esoteric problem with the database tables — some sort of error had occurred on the server. It was nothing that I had caused myself. The only way I was able to diagnose it and fix it is that someone else had had the exact same problem before, and told me the precise steps he had taken to fix it, involving things like MySQL and phpMyAdmin. Otherwise I would have never figured it out in a million years. I still don’t actually know what I did — I had to type in esoteric command-line instructions.
I don’t know the first thing about Facebook! I don’t have an account, and I don’t know how it works — nor have I ever visited a Facebook page, or whatever they’re called. Sorry! I greatly appreciate you making an event out of it there, but due to my ignorance of all things Facebook, you’re going to have to monitor it yourself.
9 Regards From Asia:
I fixed to say “Air Bases” now. Thanks.
@ 20 Zombie
I live to serve the great Zom lulz. Thanks Zom for your impeccable entries.
I came to know of American hospitality many moons ago when a young me wrote a letter to United Feature Syndicates enquiring how I could get a hold of backdated comics because they were very expensive then.
Little did I know they sent me several copies via First Class Air Mail the very next week.
Never forget that you touch the lives of those far, far, away in that unabashedly American sort of way. Happy VI day.
- Regards From Asia
What a great idea! We’re going to put a big sign in our yard proclaiming “VI Day – 11-2208″
Thanks for doing this Zombie, I probably would be waiting for the media to announce an Iraq victory. And they probably will, once Obama gets into office.
So let’s show them that Bush did something right during his terms, let’s celebrate this day before Bush leaves office before the media has a chance to pin Iraq’s victory on Obama!
Thanks Zombie, what a great tribute to our Military, our President and our Country.
My husband is a retired Chief Warrant Officer ARMY. I’m proud of him and of all the Troops. I have been praying for you all and knew we would win this war. I’m so proud to be an American and know we live in the best country in the World. We are grateful for our Freedoms. I want to thank you (Zombie) for this page and the opportunity to write my comment. I must say I’m not much with the puter But I’m proud to stand with all of you and Declare the War is Won.YEAH!!!!
Thanks to our President Bush for his guts he had to stick with the plan and to keep our troops supplied with the things they needed to win this war.And for all the Criticism he has taken and he still walks proud like a soldier. The people I know have stuck behind our President and our troops through this ordeal . We knew they would win. I’m sorry for the loss of soldiers and thank them and their Families for the sacrifice they have made. God Bless you all!!! And God bless America the Land of the FREE!!!!
VICTORY IN IRAQ
We haven’t won anything people. This is a much different war than the ones referenced in the paragraphs by the article. Japan and Germany were very simply nations with armies and when the surrender/cease fire was called the war stopped – we have bases there, but they aren’t under attack like in Iraq. In Iraq, US Soldiers are fighting guerillas, those without a leader to call a ceasefire, they are fighting a mind-set.
You can call this Victory Day if you want, but until the lives of these men and women are out of danger, don’t call it a Victory – call it that once they are all back on their own soil.
This is a cheap ploy and I feel it is disrespectful of those who will be killed after the 22nd.
This war isn’t over, we certainly didn’t win and we have much more money and many more lives to lose sadly.
#26 Sean –
Ever war is unique, but actually, there isn’t much difference between the situation in Iraq and the situation post-WWII that you mention. AFTER the commanders surrendered in WWII and ordered all soldiers to cease fire, the Werewolves and the Holdouts STILL kept fighting. Just as now, post-1945 there was no longer any leader to declare a ceasefire to make them stop.And just as now, we were fighting a mindset with the remaining Nazis and Japanese soldiers who still worshipped the Emperor.
The lives of our troops are NEVER out of danger, wherever they are in the world, whether it be patrolling the streets of Port-Au-Prince, dancing in a disco in Germany, or sitting in a cafe in Bali. It’s the nature of being in the military, which is why it takes such bravery to join.
I don’t see how it is disrespectful to whoever may be killed after the 22nd. We are still in an occupation. Flareups will happen. But the cut-off point between “war” and “not war” has to be drawn somewhere, and if we don’t draw the line ourselves, I guarantee it will NEVER be drawn. Because the left wants to make sure that even 10, 15 years from now, when one US soldier is killed per year, it still won’t qualify as “victory.” Because their overarching goal is to call the war a defeat, no matter what.
If only George Bush would make an official proclamation – that would get the lefties knickers knotted.
“If only George Bush would make an official proclamation – that would get the lefties knickers knotted.”
They wouldn’t believe it.
Also, technically the “war” in Iraq was over the day it started, now all that’s left is to stabilize the country so it can stand on its own.
As part of the celebration, will you all jerk off on pictures of Bush with the Mission Accomplished banner behind him?
I came out of blogging semi-retirement to help you with this. My dad, a Korean war vet, never got a victory and I will be glad to give our young men and women one.
Hey, Yehudit@keshertalk.com, you have the date wrong on your Facebook page. It should be November 22 but you have it November 28. If you can change that, I will link to it and send it around.
Maybe this isn’t such a good day to pick, not sure. “The assassination of John F. Kennedy, the thirty-fifth President of the United States, took place on Friday, November 22, 1963,”!
I support our troops and try to get others to do so as well. In the words of Rush “Do not give in to the premise of the left” So I didn’t.
This is what I sent out to my friends, family and a guy in Iraq who has missed 4 Christmas’s for us.
“The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.
We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
This much we pledge—and more. ”
Who said that? John F. Kennedy 1/20/1961
45 years ago JFK was killed on this day 11/22/1963. Today we can celebrate the words he spoke at his inaugural address. We have done what he spoke of in Iraq and proudly proclaim Victory In Iraq Day.
God bless our troops who have suffered and died, their families and loved one who gave us so much and the civilians who supported our efforts all over the world.
“Well done my good and faithful servants.”
We must prevent the Democrates from doing what they did in Vietnam. Two years after we had pulled out of Vietnam, the South Vietnamese was handling the lingering attempts of North Vietnam in causing problems. The Democrates promptly cut off all support for the South Vietnam Government and when their army ran out of ammunition, the war was lost.
The Democrates were responsible for the loss of the Vietnam war.
We do not want the our Democratic run government to lose the Iraq war because of the Democratic fanatism and stupidity.
Funny that you would post this today. When we came back from a foot patrol today, to the A Co 1/22 IA HQ, I remarked to my buddy, “I think the war is over.”
I’ll defintely print out this post and hang it in our TOC.
SPC McNamara, Apocalypse Co, 1-18 IN, 2BDE 1ID
Hurriyah 1 JSS, Baghdad, Iraq
Zombie you haven’t been posting at LFG.
What’s up with that?
Been too busy, mostly — real world work, and then making this post! These things take a lot of time. Now I’m getting back into commenting a bit.
It occurs to me I shouldn’t derail the thread without saying Boo-yeah first. My bad.
Well that’s good I didn’t know if you had been secretly banned or what.
Just missed you out here that’s all.
“As part of the celebration, will you all jerk off on pictures of Bush with the Mission Accomplished banner behind him?”
Well, I don’t know about everyone else but…
“As part of the celebration, will you all jerk off on pictures of Bush with the Mission Accomplished banner behind him?”
Not as vigorously as you jerked off every time an American soldier was killed.
Jesus Christ you really are fucking insane. I think the fact that we elected someone who can put together a sentence made you go off the edge. Also loved the prediction on how the polls were wrong and McCain was going to win.
The people on the Right are more worried about their image and the way they appear to those on the Left than they are the people fighting this war. How pathetic.
Pretty funny the fake soldier mentioning boo-yeah:
And not the one real soldiers would yell, which is boo-ya:
Says it all about the wingnuts pretending to be real men and real soldiers.
Looks like this is getting some good traction, Zombie.
Sent the info to many friends and family, including friends who are serving our country in Camp Pendleton, Okinawa and the gulf. Haven’t heard from all of them but so far am getting a positive response.
“Also loved the prediction on how the polls were wrong and McCain was going to win.”
You must be reading a different site, because I never predicted that. Read my essay again (especially the update at the end).
46Pvt Bin Jammin
I’m pretty amazed by the response! I’ve gotten so many blogs linking to me, it would take days and days just to comb through my emails and upload link back to them all. I can only do a small percentage.
The only disappointment is that I’ve only gotten the attention of a few anti-American blogs, and a handful of amateur-hour trolls here. I was hoping for a good dose of moonbat mockery!
Best of luck, Zombie! I have never posted on an anti-American blog, so can’t help you there.
I notice that you got a blog from Pendleton! Woo Hoo
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS ESSAY!!!! IT’S ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!!!
I have posted this at several places that I was not able to ping back to:
American Infidel – http://americanwoman296.vox.com/library/post/victory-in-iraq-day-nov-22-2008—the-war-is-won.html
“Ever war is unique, but actually, there isn’t much difference between the situation in Iraq and the situation post-WWII that you mention.”
Well, there is one difference. We’ve lost a hell of a lot more guys maintaining those post-war garrisons in Europe and Asia then we have lost in Iraq and Afgfhanistan. And the difference is is that the Dems aren’t up in arms, screaming about the tens of thousands of guys who died in the peacetime/cold war military from 1945 ’til now. But, then again, all those garrisons and that big cold war military were the creation of the liberals.
Funny how that works.
Fanatastic idea. Everybody I’ve told thinks it’s awesome.
And here’s an idea:
Kiss a nurse in Time Square, photograph it, and post it.
(And in a bow to the times, maybe it should be a female sailor kissing a male nurse?)
#34 Michael P. Randazzo:
Thanks for posting that Kennedy quote! In fact, I’ve now added a new section at the end of the essay addressing the question of why November 22 was chosen, and discussing Kennedy assassination anniversary — and I include part of that quote from his inaugural address!
I’ve added you to the list of participating blogs. Thanks!
Are you for real? You handed the country over to Iran on a silver platter and you declare this a victory? Whatever, dudes…
#50 American Infidel:
OK, I’ve added you to the Blogroll of Honor!
No one cares about your leftist spin any more. We control our own narrative. Which, by the way, is the narrative that matches the facts.
Well, what I meant to say was of course: You start a war based on lies about WMDs, you never find the WMD’s so you declare it was all about bringing democracy after all. Then you close the state-run factories and dismantle the army, creating a huge pool of disgruntled unemployed men. Then you start torturing people, making them even more angry at you. Meanwhile the Badr Corps militia trained and funded by Iran and it’s political arm SCIRI (now called ISCI) and the al-Da’wa that shares a history with Hezbollah stream accross the border from Iran.
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis get killed because you fail to provide law and order. And now that ethnic cleansing has succeeded in reducing the number of targets so much (over 2 million refugees in the neighbouring countries and another 2 million inside Iraq, the only safe places being the ones that were never occupied, Kurdistan) that the violence is going down while the Iranian puppets ISCI and al-Da’wa are in government, you declare victory? Who’s going to buy this? Oh yeah, the idiots in the US that watch Fox ‘News’ only…
@ zombie: The facts, hahaha. You wouldn’t know the facts if it slapped you in the face. Which it surely will in a couple of years. Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
“Reality has a well-known liberal bias”
Said the CNN acolyte.
“You start a war based on lies about WMDs…”
The usual left wing lies.
1.) Bush didn’t start a war with anybody. The Clinton administration had been bombing Iraq for years before Bush came on the scene.
2.) WMD were found in Iraq, despite the oft told lie: “no WMD”.
3.) Lots of reasons were given for the U.S. led invasion of Iraq, not just: Iraq had WMD. For example, establishing a Democratic government in Iraq was a stated reason long before the invasion took place, leftist lies to the contrary.
4.) Leftist “anti-war” scumbags are pathological liars.
The war looks like a big success, no thanks to the lying left and the traitorous scum in the Democrat Party.
Oh, I certainly will be…
But seriously, though, Zomb: I hope you’re right, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to declare victory at this point in time. Low KIA stats could shoot up again any time and pictures only tell half the story. I don’t know, I’d like to think the war is over, but I’m going to be cautious about declaring it so.
“WMD were found in Iraq”
I’d like to see a link
“We have now commenced the process of destroying approximately 50 litres of mustard gas declared by Iraq that was being kept under UNMOVIC seal at the Muthanna site. One-third of the quantity has already been destroyed. The laboratory quantity of thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor, which we found at another site, has also been destroyed…”
“…On the matter of the 380 SA-2 missile engines imported outside of the export/import mechanism and in contravention of paragraph 24 of resolution 687 (1991), UNMOVIC inspectors were informed by Iraq during an official briefing that these engines were intended for use in the Al Samoud 2 missile system, which has now been assessed to be proscribed.”–Hans Blix, Jan 2003
Just to give two examples.
How long have you been practicing that?
Thank you to all of you for the job you have done in Iraq and AK. You are all great men and ladies God Bless
Thanks for all you have done.
OK – so you think “Bush Lied”
These links should put the puzzle together to give an education on why our intelligence said he had them, and where they went between our intelligence seeing them, and the coalition invasion of Iraq and actually show the relatively very short timeline between these two points:
March, 2001 – Syria’s Foreign Relations With Iraq – this is to show how Syria’s ties to Iraq, which had been rocky in years past – were smoothed out just prior to 9-11:
04Jun 2002 – Syrian Dam Collapses
05Jun2002 – Pictures – Syrian Dam Disaster – sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words for the “Doubting Thomas”‘s of the liberal world
05Jun2002 – Syria Appeals for Aid After Dam Disaster
17Jun 2002 – “Iraq has promised to donate 10m euros ($9.4m) worth of oil to Syria to help reconstruction efforts, although that would be a violation of UN sanctions.” – this is to show that Iraq was intending to use a front of showing aide to Syria to move its WMD’s there, and was intended to break UN sanctions as part of the front
December 23, 2002 (NOTE DATE – the coalition buildup in ME was already beginning) – Please look for the statement by Ariel Sharon on Israeli television
“Chemical and biological weapons which Saddam is endeavoring to conceal have been moved from Iraq to Syria.” About three weeks later, Israel’s foreign minister repeated the accusation. The U.S., British, and Australian governments issued similar statements. 
Although the liberals will contend the Jews always lie……I really don’t give a damn, because it is another piece of this puzzle that they refuse to put together themselves. Besides the Israelis tend to be much less of liars than the RoP.
March 20, 2003: The U.S. military and other members of an American-led coalition invade Iraq. – Just a reminder of the day that OIF began.
06 January, 2004 – Syrian Journalist Describes Where Iraq WMD’s Went In Syria
24JAN2004 – “Saddam’s WMD Hidden In Syria”-David Kay
03MAR2005 – “Russia Moved Iraqi WMD” – John Shaw – gee, maybe the Russians helped the Iraqi’s
Very interesting Interview with Ali Ibrahim Al-Tikrit
And of course we cannot forget General Georges Sada
In as much as the liberals will whine about how “Bush Lied” and “no WMD’s were found”, as someone that loves our men and women in digitals, I truly am grateful that they were not used in this war. The devastating effects it would have had on our military and the civilians of Iraq could have easily exponentially increased the casualties and even more so the health effects.
God Bless our troops for liberating Iraq. Thanks to all our troops and the Iraqi people for spreading freedom in a very tenuous part of the world.
You did read that entire article, didn’t you?
“How much, if any, is left of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and related proscribed items and programmes? So far, UNMOVIC has not found any such weapons…One must not jump to the conclusion that they exist…If they do not exist, credible evidence to that effect should be presented.”
Here are a few favorite pics published by the DoD.
This one should fit PERFECTLY with VI DAY!
U.S. Soldiers Deliver Toys to Orphanage
Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldiers Bring Gifts to Victory Base Complex Area School
Soldiers Provide Aid to Victims Caught in Middle of Sadr City Struggle
Iraqi Children Continue Education
This is an all time favorite:
Sadr City Children Continue Lives in Face of Rebuilding
Non-governmental Organizations Take Lead
CME Attempts to Create Trust
THANK YOU – THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS!!!!
SOMEONE HAD TO DO IT, AND IT WAS HIGH TIME TO DO SO!
“You did read that entire article, didn’t you?”
Yes. And the Iraqis did have WMD.
End of debate.
http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/dkay100203.html – October3, 2003
Why are we having such difficulty in finding weapons or in reaching a confident conclusion that they do not exist or that they once existed but have been removed? Our search efforts are being hindered by six principal factors:
1. From birth all of Iraq’s WMD activities were highly compartmentalized within a regime that ruled and kept its secrets through fear and terror and with deception and denial built into each program;
2. Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict;
3. Post-OIF looting destroyed or dispersed important and easily collectable material and forensic evidence concerning Iraq’s WMD program. As the report covers in detail, significant elements of this looting were carried out in a systematic and deliberate manner, with the clear aim of concealing pre-OIF activities of Saddam’s regime;
4. Some WMD personnel crossed borders in the pre/trans conflict period and may have taken evidence and even weapons-related materials with them;
5. Any actual WMD weapons or material is likely to be small in relation to the total conventional armaments footprint and difficult to near impossible to identify with normal search procedures. It is important to keep in mind that even the bulkiest materials we are searching for, in the quantities we would expect to find, can be concealed in spaces not much larger than a two car garage;
6. The environment in Iraq remains far from permissive for our activities, with many Iraqis that we talk to reporting threats and overt acts of intimidation and our own personnel being the subject of threats and attacks. In September alone we have had three attacks on ISG facilities or teams: The ISG base in Irbil was bombed and four staff injured, two very seriously; a two person team had their vehicle blocked by gunmen and only escaped by firing back through their own windshield; and on Wednesday, 24 September, the ISG Headquarters in Baghdad again was subject to mortar attack.
What have we found and what have we not found in the first 3 months of our work?
We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN. Let me just give you a few examples of these concealment efforts, some of which I will elaborate on later:
· A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.
· A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.
· Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist’s home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.
· New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.
· Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists’ homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).
· A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.
· Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.
· Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km – well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.
· Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles –probably the No Dong — 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.
In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work. The pattern of these efforts to erase evidence – hard drives destroyed, specific files burned, equipment cleaned of all traces of use – are ones of deliberate, rather than random, acts. For example,
· On 10 July 2003 an ISG team exploited the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC) Headquarters in Baghdad. The basement of the main building contained an archive of documents situated on well-organized rows of metal shelving. The basement suffered no fire damage despite the total destruction of the upper floors from coalition air strikes. Upon arrival the exploitation team encountered small piles of ash where individual documents or binders of documents were intentionally destroyed. Computer hard drives had been deliberately destroyed. Computers would have had financial value to a random looter; their destruction, rather than removal for resale or reuse, indicates a targeted effort to prevent Coalition forces from gaining access to their contents.
· All IIS laboratories visited by IIS exploitation teams have been clearly sanitized, including removal of much equipment, shredding and burning of documents, and even the removal of nameplates from office doors.
· Although much of the deliberate destruction and sanitization of documents and records probably occurred during the height of OIF combat operations, indications of significant continuing destruction efforts have been found after the end of major combat operations, including entry in May 2003 of the locked gated vaults of the Ba’ath party intelligence building in Baghdad and highly selective destruction of computer hard drives and data storage equipment along with the burning of a small number of specific binders that appear to have contained financial and intelligence records, and in July 2003 a site exploitation team at the Abu Ghurayb Prison found one pile of the smoldering ashes from documents that was still warm to the touch.
The two that most seem to forget completely about:
http://www.energy.gov/news/1388.htm – July 6, 2004
U.S. Removes Iraqi Nuclear and Radiological Materials
Joint Operation Conducted with U.S. Departments of Energy and Defense
WASHINGTON, DC — Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham announced today that the Department of Energy (DOE) and the Department of Defense (DOD) have completed a joint operation to secure and remove from Iraq radiological and nuclear materials that could potentially be used in a radiological dispersal device or diverted to support a nuclear weapons program.
“This operation was a major achievement for the Bush Administration’s goal to keep potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists,” Secretary Abraham said. “It also puts this material out of reach for countries that may seek to develop their own nuclear weapons.”
Twenty experts from DOE’s national laboratory complex packaged 1.77 metric tons of low-enriched uranium and roughly 1000 highly radioactive sources from the former Iraq nuclear research facility. The DOD airlifted the material to the United States on June 23 and provided security, coordination, planning, ground transportation, and funding for the mission.
Due to safety and security issues surrounding the removed materials, the U.S., consistent with its authorities and relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions, took possession of, and removed the materials to ensure the safety and security of the Iraqi people.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334 – 5:57 p.m. CT, Sat., July. 5, 2008
The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.
The removal of 550 metric tons of “yellowcake” — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam’s nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
No. Just no.
We “liberated” the Iraqis? I’m sure they love us now, right? Not exactly, considering that they burned an effigy of Bush today in the same area where Saddam’s statue was thrown down. Pakistan’s government cannot tolerate our terribly coordinated air strikes that hit more civilians than terrorists. Declare your victory, but terrorism in the Middle East won’t cease because of the American occupation.
You don’t understand the nature of terrorists willing to martyr themselves.
This is a sad site. What war are we talking about? cause This is not a war. War can only be declared by congress so we have won nothing in terms of war.
To actually think we have won in Iraq is silly. Won what exactly? why were we there exactly? I know for a fact it wasnt Terrorism. So what was it?
My brother was in Iraq for his tour and trust me. He paints a different picture then what you say here.
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Have respect people. This is very disrespectful to say we won. When we have not won a damn thing.
Your comment has nothing whatsoever to do with our having won the war in Iraq. It’s a perfect example of “Leftists will NEVER say the conditions have been met for declaring victory.” Gee, someone burned an effigy? We must flee in defeat! Something happened in Pakistan completely unrelated to Iraq? Defeat! Terrorists continue to exist in the world? Defeat!
Five years from now, if Iraq had become the most boring and uneventful country on Earth, and somebody stubbed their toe in Baghdad, you’d STILL declare “Defeat!”
You don’t seem to understand that we no longer care about your narrative.
#77 sad american:
This isn’t a war because Congress didn’t declare war? Hmmm, I guess the Vietnam War and the Korean War weren’t wars either then. I already point out in the essay that Congress hasn’t actually declared war on anybody since 1942. It’s not ME that defines this as a war, it’s the media, the government, the American Left, and popular consensus. I just knew that argument would crop up: the Left insists for six years that we’re fighting a useless war, we’ve got to stop the war, war war war, and then when we actually win the war, you announce — Hey, it wasn’t a war after all, so how can you claim to have won anything? People like you are so predictable.
Why were we there? To depose Saddam Hussein, and to help the Iraqis establish an independent democratic nation. Which is exactly what we did.
You have a single (factless) anecdote that “paints a different picture”? I have a thousand anecdotes saying the fighting has stopped. If we want to go by anecdotes, the agreement by almost everyone is: nothing is happening there anymore. It’s over.
What goes through my mind? Uh, acknowledging the fact that we’ve won. Read the essay!
May God bless our soldiers and their Commander-in-Chief. Our next step is to make sure that President Bush receives credit and gratitude for his courageous and steadfast leadership in the war against terrorism. He kept the troops in Iraq so they could be victorious.
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Meh. You can no more win a war than win an earthquake.
#82 Samir: “You can no more win a war than win an earthquake.”
Y’know, that’s so true. No one has ever won a war, because wars cannot be won! Word War II? it was simply “an earthquake” — no winners or losers! A tie! The American Revolutionary War? Feh! We didn’t win that! Dream on, oh foolish George Washington! Didn’t you know that wars cannot be won? We are still a British colony! And as for the American Civil War — just ask the slaves working at Starbucks; we never outlawed slavery in this accursed country! And the Czars — they still control Russia!
Yes, Samir, you are wise above all men. For it has been since the beginning of time, that no one has ever won a war, because “You can no more win a war than win an earthquake.” Sheer brilliance!
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1)When was your brother there?
2)What unit was he with?
The last time I was over there was in 2005 and it was a fairly hectic year, however, a lot can change in three years. I still have friends in the Army. As they come back from their most recent deployments they all tell me the same thing: “Things have gotten really quiet over there.” I know what it’s like in the hectic times and so do they. If they tell me it’s quite, it is quite.
In Memory of Lance Corporal Alexander Scott Arredondo, killed in the line of duty in Najaf,
Iraq at the age of 20 while on his second tour of duty on August 24, 2004.
Dear Alex, Many were the people who used your sacrifice to further their own political agenda….to mock & lie,…to hate your courage & dedication. But, dear Alex, here are the Faces of your Victory! ( http://www.weatheroutpost12.com/blogs/ ) It would not have happened without the terrible mistake of this war,& your Life. Rest in Peace, my young brother…Rest in Peace.
I hate to be a party pooper but there is an objective goal that has been standing as the one true and final signal of victory in Iraq. 13 of the 18 Iraqi provinces are currently under Provincial Iraqi Control, until all 18 are at that official designation we will be short of achieving the long standing objective which has stood to signify victory in this war.
When we achieve 18 of 18 than that is the day we can say victory has been achieved in Iraq.
It is indeed a victory in Iraq. The dictator Saddam Hussein was deposed, tried and executed for his crimes against the Iraqi people, along with his toadies, and true democracy has taken root there. The “Coalition of the Willing” has won – but even more so, the Iraqi people have won.
God bless the troops – those who will be marching home and those who will not be – and God bless the country of Iraq.
‘It’s a perfect example of “Leftists will NEVER say the conditions have been met for declaring victory.”’
Their side (the Baathists and terrorists) lost, America won.
Naturally, the ever-treasonous left isn’t too happy about it.
#5 Jonathon Payne: … “So, again we are defeated.”
That was a very VERY different situation. The samurai were ronin — ultimately, with only their personal honor to fight for. Not to slight honor, except for compassion for the farmers there was no overarching principle or cause.
Takashi Shimura’s character, Kambei, was both pragmatic and idealistic. The latter led him to save the child from the kidnapper, and then to take up the farmers’ cause. Shimura’s line which you quoted was Akira Kurosawa’s way of sayng that pragmatism (reality) had won in the end, and that nothing had been achieved by those who fought. That last point is critical.
A reviewer put it this way:
“To be disappointed in the farmers was to have hoped, and this is something which, until now, he [Kambei] has not allowed himself. Yet he had hoped to win, and further had hoped that this winning would somehow change something. He has become human enough to confuse ends and means and forget that everything is means and that there is no end.” (The Films of Akira Kurosawa; Donald Richie; University of California Press, 1984, p. 103.)
Seven Samurai is a character study. Shimura’s closing line should be taken as part of that.
If you’re referring to the American casualties in Iraq, to a sense of loss, I can see where you’re coming from, but think you need a better metaphor. While this one fits in a certain sense, it is too far out of context.
#77 sad american — “I cant believe some people would make a site like this. What goes through there mind when making a site this horrible?”
*grin* … Thank you. Finding that little self-inflated screech made my day.
You have a right to be “sad”. I have a right to laugh.
Call me callous? I think not, and am capable of looking cold and hard into the mirror. You should try it sometime.
Here’s to the bravery, competence and endurance of the great American men and women who have fought for this day. We are proud and humbled by your sacrifice and accomplishment in this mission. Thank you.
Congratulations to the USA and their allies, all the best for the Iraqi People and a big f*ck off to those who spit on freedom.
Thank God for the American people and their marvelous Armed Forces. What a glorious boon you have given the world in ridding us of that leprous menace sadist hussein. How fine the Iraqi people look! Again thanks what a wonderful thing you did in 1776 (although as a Canadian I never thought I’d live to say it!)
Hooray for victory.
VICTORY IN IRAQ!!! I CALL IT THE “2ND VICTORY IN IRAQ” IN SO MANY YEARS AS WE’VE BEEN THERE. THE FIRST VICTORY CAME WHEN OUR TROOPS DESTROYED SADDAM’S FORCES AND PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH LANDED ON THAT CARRIER WITH THE BANNER ” MISSION COMPLETED ” BEHIND HIM! THE MISSION WAS COMPLETED AND THAT WAR WAS WON AND LATER THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT EXECUTED SADDAM. END OF THE FIRST WAR!!!
NEXT, MANY FORCES OF THE ENEMY WHO WERE MOSTLY NOT IRAQI CITIZENS BUT FROM MANY PLACES DECIDED TO REEK HAVOC THERE AND BEGAN MURDERING FOLKS INDISCRIMINENTLY. THEY DIDN’T CARE IF THEY WERE MILITARY FOLKS, STORE OWNERS, POLICEMEN, RECRUITS FOR THE POLICE, INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN OR CHILDREN THEY JUST BLEW EVERYONE UP INDISCRIMINENTALY IN THE NAME OF RADICAL ISLAM. THIS IS THE SECOND WAR AND IT HAS BEEN ALSO WON IN IRAQ.
MORE PEOPLE ARE KILLED THESE DAYS ON THE STREETS OF CHICARGO, U.S.A. THAN IN IRAQ AND OUR OWN CASUALTIES ARE WAY, WAY, DOWN! WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE NUTS AND MAL-CONTENTS HERE AT HOME THAN ARE CURRENTLY PRESENT IN IRAQ. HOPEFULLY, WE WILL BE ABLE TO LEAVE THERE SOON; ENTIRELY IN VICTORY AND THE NEW, HOPEFULLY, FRIENDLY GOVERNMENT MIGHT JUST REMEMBER WHAT WE DID FOR THEM. THERE IS NO DOUBT THE PEOPLE WILL!
FORGET THAT SADAR FELLOW OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS. HE HAS HATED US FROM THE START AND HIS PUPPETS ARE MAKING A LOT OF NOISE IN THEIR GOVERNMENT. HOWEVER, THAT COWARD IS HIDING IN IRAN AND DARES NOT COME BACK TILL IT IS OVER AND WE ARE OUT. EVEN THEN, HE MIGHT WANT TO WATCH HIS, AH.. DONKEY! PERHAPS WHEN WE GET OUT FOR GOOD THAT GOVERNMENT WILL DEAL WITH THIS TROUBLE MAKER.
I KNOW THE IRAQI PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF SEEING HELPLESS PEOPLE KILLED IN THE NAME OF ISLAMIC FASCIESTS!
REMEMBER THIS, FOLKS SAID IT COULDN’T BE DONE! OUR TRAITORS AT HOME ESPECIALLY IN CONGRESS TOLD US AND OUR TROOPS WE HAD LOST THE WAR. OUR NEW PRESIDENT ELECT WANTED US TO LOSE AS WELL, AND SAID SO!
WE WILL NOW SEE IF HE, [MR. OBAMA ] AS PRESIDENT WILL WANT US TO LOSE ON HIS WATCH? HE CERTAINLY HAS THE POWER TO DO THAT YOU KNOW. LET’S SEE IF THE FIRST NEGRO WILL BE THE FIRST NEGRO LOSER AS WELL. ONLY TIME WILL TELL, AND I HOPE THE JOB IS CAPABLE OF MAKING THE MAN; THOUGH IT DIDN’T WORK WITH CARTER OR CLINTON, HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL.
STILL, IT LOOKS LIKE MR. OBAMA HAS CHANGED ALL RIGHT, CHANGED BACK TO THE CORRUPT WAYS WITH THE SAME LOSERS THAT WORKED FOR THAT LOSER, CLINTON. WE SORT OF THOUGHT HE HAD SOME OTHER SORT OF CHANGE IN MIND. I GUESS THEY COULDN’T ABIDE THE SUCCESSES OF THE GEORGE BUSH ADMINISTRATION TO STAND. THEY WILL NO DOUBT TRY TO CHANGE SOME OF THOSE BACK TO THE LAND OF OZ.
IN CLOSING, LET ME SAY THAT I HOPE FOR THE BEST, OF COURSE, BUT KNOWING THE TYPE OF FELLOWS AND GALS THAT HAVE BEEN MASQURADING AS DEMOCRATS FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS AND THEIR DEMONSTRATED UNDYING LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT, HIS POLICIES, AND OUR TROOPS IN THE FIELD, I AM NOT GONNA HOLD MY BREATH FOR MUCH GOOD TO COME FROM THE UPCOMING ADMINISTRATION. SINCE IT IS PACKED WITH TRAITORS AND CORRUPT POLITICIANS AND WORSE, WE ARE IN FOR A REALLY BUMPY RIDE.
IT WILL, OF COURSE, BE TOUTED AS THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE COUNTRY SINCE THE INVENTION OF THE FLUSH TOILET, BY THE EVER FAWNING MEDIA FOLKS AT THE SO CALLED, ” BIG THREE AND SOME SMALLER PLACES LIKE THE N.Y. TIMES”. SAY, THEY ALL FIT IN WITH THE IDEA OF A TOILET DON’T THEY?! THEY WERE IN IT ALL THE WAY FOR, MR. OBAMA NOW WEREN’T THEY!?
EVERYONE HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING! PRAYERS GO OUT FOR PRESIDENT BUSH AND HIS FAMILY, ALL OUR FOLKS IN THE MILITARY, THEIR FAMILIES, AND ALL OF US HERE AT HOME! I INCLUDE IN THIS PRAYER EVEN THOSE DUMB ONES THAT VOTED FOR OBAMA. LORD, THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DID, FOR SURE!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!
History will show that GWB with all his domestic warts had the courage of his convictions and that is what produced this victory.
This is a victory for all of the 98% of the population of the world that wants only freedom to prosper and/or fail and produce a better life for their progeny. They are the winners in this war – the losers are the 2% that make up the news.
Our troops are the best!! Not only are they the best equipped and the best trained, they are indeed the moral barometer of the greatest country in the world – The USA!
Why stop there? Why not a “Victory in Vietnam Day,” too?
Sorry to hear that the comments got eaten zombie. I thought we had a good intellectual discussion going. Seems like some of the above posts have degenerated into a shouting match. Though I disagree with the reasons and methods of the war, I agree that we have finally achieved our objectives, even if they have come somewhat later than expected.
On campus a few weeks ago (UIUC) I ran across some war protesters clogging the main intersection on campus. Having read about the reduction of forces agreement we were signing with the Iraqi parliament I shouted “Go home the war is over!” They weren’t very pleased and said that it wasn’t over until every last troop is home. “Yes, aren’t you happy that will happen in 2011?” I replied.
Apparently some people can never be satisfied.
that’s awesome! the media is sure to show us in grave detail the number of casualties & problems with this war, but we never hear the successes.
it’s nice to hear something encouraging.
President Bush himself said that war is neither over nor has it been won:
“The war is not over,” Bush said, adding that “it is decisively on it’s way to being won.”
your an idiot there is no victory in Iraq not now not ever maybe you should join th army and go over there and fight yourself
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