On Thursday, May 28, the Berkeley Daily Planet newspaper published an article encouraging people to join a vigilante-style protest in front of the private home of Professor John Yoo. The article read in part:
Neighborhood Alert: Berkeley Home to Possible War Criminal
Last week the Grizzly Peak neighbors of John Yoo received a “Neighborhood Alert” regarding Professor Yoo, in the form of a flyer letting them know he lives among them and providing information about his crimes, namely providing unethical and shoddy legal advice and cover to Bybee, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc. …
Unlike a sexual predator or burglar, Mr. Yoo is a criminal whom the police are not likely to point out to Berkeley citizens, though his crimes are horrific. …
I question the acceptability of sheltering a war criminal in Berkeley. I don’t feel safe living in the vicinity of someone who believes torture is legal. …
Finally, there is a growing group of Berkeley citizens who are standing in witness in front of Yoo’s house on a weekly basis, starting this Sunday, May 31, at 2 p.m. Join this group on Grizzly Peak for an hour or so. If there’s any justice in this world John Yoo is going to have problems living a normal life now, unless he apologizes to us all.
So, like the vigilantes of old, these freelance protesters have decided on their own that John Yoo is guilty of a crime and needs to be punished. No longer content to let the courts decide whether he is even to be charged with anything, much less found guilty, much less determine the punishment, the anti-Yoo protesters have decided to stalk him at home, menacing him and making sure that “John Yoo is going to have problems living a normal life now.”
IndyBay, the San Francisco Bay Area chapter of Indymedia, then published a detailed guide for how to attend the “protest” in front of John Yoo’s home; because Indymedia routinely redirects incoming links, copy and paste this URL into a new browser window to see the listing:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/05/29/18599330.php
Zomblog correspondent Chicken Kiev pedaled by the rally on a bicycle and snapped these pictures of the vigilante protesters stalking John Yoo in front of his private home:
Chicken Kiev reports via email:
“I snapped this photo as I passed the protest on my bicycle. There were actually five or six people there, but some were across the street talking to someone in a car.”
“This picture shows that they went up onto John Yoo’s private property and wrote graffiti in his driveway (I think it says ‘All torture is a crime.’) Sorry that it’s blurry, but it’s hard to control the camera on the bicycle.”
Is it proper to harass and menace people in their private homes? Have we entered a new era of vigilante justice? Or have the protesters crossed a line into illegal territory? Is it OK for the protesters to tell John Yoo’s neighbors he is a criminal? Are they allowed to write slogans on his private property? Did the Berkeley Daily Planet violate journalistic ethics by promoting this event?
Readers, whatever your opinion on waterboarding and torture and the “War on Terror”: What do you think?
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1Eclectic Infidel on May 31, 2009 at 5:07 pm:
This is a fear that some of us entertain from time to time, when we counter-demonstrate against the pro-intifada/jihad crowd in SF.
Of course the protesters have crossed the line. Way, way, way over the line. It’s shameful that the Daily Planet promoted this event but I’m not the least surprised either, given what I know about the politics of that rag.
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2Perpetua on May 31, 2009 at 5:57 pm:
Hi Zombie,
Even though I think waterboarding is torture and Yoo may have written legal opinions supporting torture, I think this is wrong. It reminds me of the abuses of the animal rights activists. Once targeting individuals is accepted, the boundaries get fuzzy. You wind up with the unibomber or the anti-abortion activists who killed George Tiller this weekend.
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3Ken on May 31, 2009 at 5:59 pm:
“I question the acceptability of sheltering a war criminal in Berkeley. I don’t feel safe living in the vicinity of someone who believes torture is legal.”
Give. Me. A. Break. I wont even comment on the profound stupidity of those two sentences.
As for the vigilantism: totally unacceptable and wrong. A complete violation of the privacy of someone who hasn’t even been charged with a crime. Yoo’s a lawyer, he should sue them.
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4Joe on May 31, 2009 at 6:41 pm:
In my neighborhood, there are anti-abortion activists who protest a *developer* who built an abortion clinic. They’re very careful to always remain on the sidewalk and not trespass on his property (these Berzerklians are trespassing IMO), but I heard they block cars entering/exiting the driveway.
“unless he apologizes to us all.”
I’m curious what they consider acceptable. Can Yoo just yell “sorry” from his window? Send them apology cards? Something tells me they still wouldn’t stop.
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5Ringo the Gringo on May 31, 2009 at 6:48 pm:
Didn’t they do something similar to Nancy Pelosi a year or so ago?
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6Ringo the Gringo on May 31, 2009 at 6:49 pm:
Personally, I’d turn my garden hose on anyone who tried to camp out on my driveway.
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7Maria on May 31, 2009 at 7:01 pm:
Can I go over there and tell them that I don’t really need or want him to apologize for a professional decision made in the context of job related information? You think if enough of us did that they’d stop being such a band of know-it-all? No, I doubt it. “Apologize to us all” what a load of ego driven bullocks. Last time I checked I did not appoint these idle men and women as my spokespeople.
Frankly, I think the Bikers that counter protest the Fred Phelps wackos need to pay these self styled vigilantes a visit. I also get the feeling that these types of personalities are the same types of personalities that cheer on hangings, book burnings and clap at the conclusion of a puppet court.
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8Shug on May 31, 2009 at 7:04 pm:
Looks to me like Professor Yoo put out extra garbage this week
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9Bakunin on May 31, 2009 at 7:06 pm:
vigilantism?? It’s not like they are the Klan rushing into his house to lynch him. They are barley on his (seems to be very long) driveway.
This is democracy in action. If we have freedom of speech, people should be able to express how they feel about a public figure, even if it is at there home. It is the same as a union picketing the home of a businessman, or the aforementioned anti-abortion activists protesting the homes of abortion doctors.
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10Federale on May 31, 2009 at 7:08 pm:
Wannabe Stalinists. However, if you attached a noose to your truck, the FBI will arrest you.
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11Anonymous on May 31, 2009 at 7:17 pm:
Yoo should get a lawyer, request restraining orders and file lawsuits. Make the newspaper and individuals involved pay, pay, pay.
An automatic sprinker system in the driveway area would be a plus. Also some cactus plants.
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12realwest on May 31, 2009 at 7:23 pm:
Freedom of Speech, Bakunin, refers to the rights of citizens to be able to exercise their right of free speech, FREE FROM GOVERNMENTAL INTRUSION. It is not and was never intended to be authorization for people to “indict”, “try”, “judge” and pass sentenance on any individual.
You really ought to try reading the U.S. Constitution and if that is too long for you, try just the first ten amendments thereto, oft times referred to as the Bill of Rights.
YOU have not been appointed investigator, prosecuting attorney, defense attorney, judge or jury of Prof. Yoo’s conduct.
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13Perpetua on May 31, 2009 at 7:24 pm:
That particular shade of pink used for the sign and the woman’s sweatshirt reminds me of Code Pink.
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14Anonymous on May 31, 2009 at 7:27 pm:
Well, actually, there is this concept of private property. This is Yoo’s home, his private property. These people are trespassing. They have also published their assertions that he “is a criminal” (not “might be”, but “is”), regardless of the fact that he has not been charged or tried for anything.
They can “express” all they want - but it is wrong to “express” themselves on Yoo’s personal private property, and by making non-factual assertions as to his “crimes”.
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15Reine on May 31, 2009 at 7:28 pm:
OOPS; meant to identify myself - I’m comment 14.
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16Anonymous on May 31, 2009 at 7:35 pm:
These protesters do not have the right to be even an inch on his private property, much less defacing it with grafitti.
The garden hose sounds like a fine idea. That, or Dobermans.
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17Bakunin on May 31, 2009 at 7:35 pm:
Well it’s true that they shouldn’t be on his private property, does the sidewalk connected to his driveway count?
And people can make crazy claims about allege crimes of any public figure. The old adage “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”.
But to call this “vigilantism” degrades real vigilantism - it puts a bunch of nutty non-violent protesters on the same level as the man who just shot George Tiller or the KKK. These people aren’t breaking into his house and lynching him. They are expressing there belief that he engineered a criminal policy, as founded or misguided as it is, they have a right to do it.
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18Rob on May 31, 2009 at 7:37 pm:
Bakunin, democracy in action is the ways of the mob. You and your kind did not get the majority of all of us to support your statist actions against individuals like John Yoo. The Code Pink idiots do not speak for the people, only themselves. I agreed with realwest: you or the Code Pink idiots are not appointed in such official capacities. Perhaps we should post the home addresses of the Code Pink idiots so we can find out where they live and protest their unwarranted and unsanctioned actions?
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19David Rickel on May 31, 2009 at 7:40 pm:
It’s democracy in action if you call mob rule a democracy. Camping out on his driveway is a pretty effective way of saying “We know where you live”. Publishing his address and giving directions is not that far from encouraging some crazy with a bottle and some gasoline to take more drastic action. This is intimidation, not democracy.
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20Bakunin on May 31, 2009 at 7:41 pm:
12realwest on May 31, 2009 at 7:23 pm:
“Freedom of Speech, Bakunin, refers to the rights of citizens to be able to exercise their right of free speech, FREE FROM GOVERNMENTAL INTRUSION. It is not and was never intended to be authorization for people to “indict”, “try”, “judge” and pass sentenance on any individual.
YOU have not been appointed investigator, prosecuting attorney, defense attorney, judge or jury of Prof. Yoo’s conduct.”
What power do these people have to do that? None. Sure, they can sway public opinion, but, like I said, they are not forming a posse and raiding his house with the intent on murdering him.
All life is based on being an investigator, a judge and jury of public figures. I investigated Obamas history and policies, I judged him on those policies, and I will try and get the rest of this jury (the public) to vote guilty.
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21Reine on May 31, 2009 at 7:44 pm:
Well, as to your assertion that people “can make crazy claims about allege crimes of any public figure”, no, actually.Public figure doctrine (absence of malice)
In other words, “claims” that are published with full knowledge they are false are not legal.
They are not on a sidewalk. They are in his driveway, and using chalk to mark up his private property.
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22Bakunin on May 31, 2009 at 7:47 pm:
18Rob on May 31, 2009 at 7:37 pm:
“Bakunin, democracy in action is the ways of the mob. You and your kind did not get the majority of all of us to support your statist actions against individuals like John Yoo. The Code Pink idiots do not speak for the people, only themselves. I agreed with realwest: you or the Code Pink idiots are not appointed in such official capacities. Perhaps we should post the home addresses of the Code Pink idiots so we can find out where they live and protest their unwarranted and unsanctioned actions?”
Rob, I would support you finding the homes of Code Pink leaders and protesting there homes. I in no way support them.
How is a group of individuals “statist”? It’s not like these people are getting the state after him (although they would like to, it would never happen.) And why would anyone need to be appointed in official capacities to protest what they believe is wrong?
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23Uncle Jefe on May 31, 2009 at 7:51 pm:
“They are barley on his…driveway.”
Indeed, they are wheat on his street, the millet at his billet, the rye upon his propertye…
“This is democracy in action.”
Um, no, not at all.
These are bullying fascists trespassing on private property.
How I loathe these cowards, who would never even think of pulling this stunt in almost any other country in the world…
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24Paul on May 31, 2009 at 7:58 pm:
Poor Bakunin, he doesn’t even have the time to notice that THERE IS NO SIDEWALK CONNECTED TO John Yoo’s driveway. The correct question is “where is the property line between Yoo’’s property and the street?” In an older location like the Grizzly Peak neighborhood, the boundary might be the back of the curb, but I doubt the police are going to do anything. Heck, the police allowed protesters to demonstrate, block access and even chain the door of the Marine Corps recruiting station.
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25Bakunin on May 31, 2009 at 8:00 pm:
23Uncle Jefe on May 31, 2009 at 7:51 pm:
““This is democracy in action.”
Um, no, not at all.
These are bullying fascists trespassing on private property.
Um, Yes, it is.
Trespassing I agree with. But protesting at someones house is not “vigilantism”, and it is not “fascism”.
“How I loathe these cowards, who would never even think of pulling this stunt in almost any other country in the world…”
I’m proud to be an American where as least I know I’m free (to express myself, no matter how popular or unpopular that speech is). God Bless America!
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26Cnation on May 31, 2009 at 8:10 pm:
You used the words “Berkeley” and “journalistic ethics” in the same sentence. Have you considered a career in comedy?
The paper crossed the line by calling for the harassment of a private citizen. This massive group of protesters….oops, there were only four……anyway, these protesters crossed the line by apparently trespassing on private property. These losers should be happy they’re not in a state like Texas, where their day could have ended rather suddenly.
If nothing else, Yoo would seem to have the makings of a strong libel and/or defamation case.
-Cnation
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27artark on May 31, 2009 at 8:10 pm:
Boo hoo Yoo.
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28Summer Seale on May 31, 2009 at 8:23 pm:
Thanks again for the awesome report, Zombie.
These people are just stupid and insane. A nice garden hose spraying sounds right and proper. I also don’t think that Yoo did anything wrong at all. These people have no clue about international or even U.S. law, and yet they spout off all the time as if they do. They really are idiots. Yoo wrote papers about the interpretation of laws during war time which were solid legal arguments. Whether or not somebody thinks that waterboarding is torture or not, those legal arguments *had* to be made. They had to be made in the same way that unpopular positions are defended in a legal manner every day in this country by many other lawyers.
And for what it’s worth, even if waterboarding is torture (I think it kind of is, but I also have different categories of torture - I’m actually nuanced, unlike these jackasses), the point of one of his major arguments was that the people in Gitmo had forfeited their right of protection under international law - a point which international law itself makes by virtue of defining them as war criminals for their actions. By not fighting in uniform, by deliberately targeting civilians, they are war criminals. That isn’t Yoo talking, that’s international law talking. And what international law says, and what the Geneva Convention says as well, is that a war criminal forfeits their rights under those terms.
Those idiots may not like it, but that’s the law. That is what Yoo was basically arguing, and he was right: that is the law. You can interpret it in various different ways, but that is the basic gist of it. There’s no getting around this: those people are not covered by the Geneva Convention. Again, it isn’t Yoo that said this originally but the drafters of the Convention itself. If that makes people upset, that’s too fucking bad. That’s life. That’s the law.
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29eddiebear on May 31, 2009 at 8:47 pm:
If some fools were trying to vandalize my property, they would get one warning shot in the air, then it’s hippie hunting time.
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30Ringo the Gringo on May 31, 2009 at 8:51 pm:
I would assume the writing on the driveway was done with chalk.
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31Matt on May 31, 2009 at 9:29 pm:
“Ringo the Gringo on May 31, 2009 at 6:49 pm:
Personally, I’d turn my garden hose on anyone who tried to camp out on my driveway.”
Another devious form of torture. Just what we need.
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32Bob Smythe on May 31, 2009 at 9:40 pm:
Buy a cheap shotgun, saw it off, and blow the holy shiite out of any leftist twat willing to screw with your home.
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33Clone Trooper on May 31, 2009 at 9:43 pm:
I would back my truck down the driveway real fast then act surprised that someone was under the wheels.
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34zombie on May 31, 2009 at 9:43 pm:
#9 Bakunin
Bakunin, the dictionary definition of “vigilante” is “any person who takes the law into his or her own hands.” That’s exactly what these people are doing. It doesn’t necessarily have to entail violence. And as has been proven repeatedly throughout history, including today in Kansas, what often starts as non-violent harassment often escalates into something much worse.
ALL of those examples you cited are egregious and unacceptable. What starts as anti-abortion activists protesting the homes of abortion doctors can and sometimes does graduates to violence. And unions have no “right” to intimidate a businessman’s family. What is the purpose to stake out a house if not to intimidate the person in question? It’s not like John Yoo lives on a major thoroughfare where the populace will witness the protest. It exists only to intimidate him and his family.
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35Springer on May 31, 2009 at 10:11 pm:
Yoo should call the city’s hazmat emergency response team for code pink’s illegal dumping of colored chalk on his driveway. Make that fool of a woman produce an MSDS for the chalk or pay for the hazardous waste clean up.
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36CattusMagnus on May 31, 2009 at 10:39 pm:
Wow! Look at the turnout for that “protest!” Four whole people! A pink sign and some sidewalk chalk must have him shaking in his boots and really reconsider his position on torture!
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37Anonymous on May 31, 2009 at 11:24 pm:
Good! I hope John Yoo never gets a sound night’s sleep for the rest of his life.
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38Iron-Confederate on May 31, 2009 at 11:57 pm:
Step 1. Get a big sub-woofer.
Step 2. Play Slayer.
Step 3. Be entertained when the protesters start bailing out of the place and never come again.
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39Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 12:05 am:
In a just world:
Yoo: “Get off my property!”
Protesters: “No, you torturer murderer neocon!”
Yoo: BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM
Yoo: “Hello, trash disposal?”
But he’s not in a just world. It’s his own damn fault for living in Califreakingfornia.
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40Mickey Finn on Jun 1, 2009 at 12:15 am:
When hundreds do this for decades, shoot him, him bomb his offices, harrass him in court, and then kill him in church, you might have something to complain about
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41working man on Jun 1, 2009 at 2:37 am:
motion activated sprinklers and recycled effluent FTW
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42Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 2:58 am:
I guess it’s time to publish the names and addresses of all of those at the Daily Planet responsible for this.
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43Starless on Jun 1, 2009 at 3:52 am:
I don’t feel safe living in the vicinity of someone who believes torture is legal
This is the money quote. It’s all about their hurt feelings, so in that sense it is comparable to abortion clinic protesters. You can’t be okay with what one set of protesters is doing and not the other. I don’t know that I’d go as far as to call it outright vigilantism, though in spirit it certainly is — they’re not calling for a necktie party, but their obvious goal is to intimidate Yoo.
Whether what they’re doing is legal or not would depend on local laws and ordinances. In some communities, right-of-way can include part of your driveway or front yard, and writing on someone’s driveway in chalk (an impermanent medium) probably skirts the edge of what would be considered graffiti. Yoo turning a hose on them, while satisfying to consider, could easily be interpreted as assault so that’s probably not a good idea, and counter-demonstrating in front of the protester’s houses or publishing names and addresses would be childish and counter-productive.
Yoo needs to follow the rules to the letter — document everything the protesters do in front of his house, call the cops, when the cops do nothing, start the lawsuits.
BTW, “Shame on Yoo” — typical progressive unclever cleverness. If they could start coming up with something interesting or funny to say on their signs, at least their protesting would be semi interesting to look at. As it is, it’s just really predictable and blase.
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44Zax on Jun 1, 2009 at 4:07 am:
That is a steep driveway. Things like pianos roll down them all the time.
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45Pardonme on Jun 1, 2009 at 4:27 am:
Remember that it was the Obama administration that released the memos and the names of these attorneys. They are now know to attack anyone who they think stands in their way and know that there are those out there who will then go after the ones indicated in opposition. Look at the ACORN, Service Workers Union people that went by bus to the homes of those getting AIG bonuses. Obama has also called for the formation of a national service corps with mandatory participation, uniforms and camps. This designed to indoctrinate youth to do the bidding of , whomever? Wake up America we are witnessing the reinstatement of the Hitler programs and doing nothing about it.
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46Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 4:42 am:
What is the possibility that Mr. Woo can take action against the Planet for libel? He has not been charged much less convicted of any crime, yet he is being labeled something that at this point, is not true.
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47ctmom on Jun 1, 2009 at 4:51 am:
Turn the lawn sprinklers on. And keep moving them.
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48Sophomore on Jun 1, 2009 at 5:46 am:
I don’t support what the protesters are doing, and if they’re on his property Yoo can certainly ask the police to remove them.
What he can’t do is sue them (or the newspaper) for libel. The protesters aren’t saying he’s been convicted, they’re saying they think he should be. Yoo disagrees. Both sides more or less agree on the facts, but disagree about their legal significance. Under American law you can’t prosecute someone for that difference of opinion.
That’s a fundamental American freedom - which folks here enjoy every day. You don’t want to live without it.
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49Pat on Jun 1, 2009 at 5:51 am:
Sue the Planet. Plus You have these pictures - identify the individuals and get them arrested. I have no tolerance or patience for this abuse and stupidity. This is so wrong - it’s bullying in extreme.
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50Bakunin on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:05 am:
“Bakunin, the dictionary definition of “vigilante” is “any person who takes the law into his or her own hands.” That’s exactly what these people are doing.”
That is exactly NOT what these people are doing. Traditionally, the punishment for war crimes is capital punishment. If these people where taking “the law into his or her own hands” then they would be breaking his house and lynching him. This is not what is happening.
Beyond simple trespassing and being morons, these people are doing nothing wrong when expressing there opinions. Like I said, to compare them to vigilantes degrades real vigilantes like the Klan or Posse comitatus.
They have judged him, but everyone judges everyone. That’s there opinion, they are free to express it as we live in a free society.
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51Steady on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:15 am:
Pull this sh*t in front of my house and you will die.
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52Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:19 am:
They are free to express it across the street, or on e-mail, or in a newspaper, not on the man’s property. This isn’t difficult.
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53Bakunin on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:22 am:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigilantism
“Members of community watch programs and /others who use legal means of bringing people to justice/ are not considered vigilantes.”
Last time I heard, protesting is considered “legal means”…
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54Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:27 am:
Is there such a thing as a trained pet skunk?
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55Bakunin on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:29 am:
53Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:19 am:
“They are free to express it across the street, or on e-mail, or in a newspaper, not on the man’s property. This isn’t difficult.”
So… the worst they are doing is trespassing. Good, send them to the clink for trespassing. But they are not “vigilantes” by any means.
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56Harley2002 on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:30 am:
I think we need to find out where Bukinin lives and exercise out right to stand in fron of his resisdence a protest him
for being a Facist. What is your address there Bakunin?
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57izoneguy on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:30 am:
A few dead skunks spread around will clear out the protesters.
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58Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:37 am:
This picture is hilarious. I wonder if when all the old hippies in Berkeley finally croak if there will be anyone left to actually protest?
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59Bakunin on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:40 am:
57Harley2002 on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:30 am:
“I think we need to find out where Bukinin lives and exercise out right to stand in fron of his resisdence a protest him
for being a Facist. What is your address there Bakunin?”
So, for defending freedom of speech, I am now a “facist” (I assume you mean “fascist”)?
I give you a hint. I’m an American currently living in Canada.
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60Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:44 am:
Although originally developed by the CIA to torture people, I am going to venture to guess that they would willingly accept free LSD, rendering them harmless. Better yet Mr Yoo should cultivate mushrooms on that bank.
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61Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:52 am:
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
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62Ghilmeini on Jun 1, 2009 at 7:03 am:
I dont have a problem with their protest. I just think if anything happens to Yoo or a member of his family as a result of this that every person and group involved in disclosing his location be subject to civil and criminal liability.
In America you have a right to be sphincter, but you must be responsible for your actions. Let anything bad happen and Code Pink and these affiliated cretins should be put out of business.
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63Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 7:10 am:
A couple of German Sheperds placed on near the property line could be fun.
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64Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 7:14 am:
These are the people who have nothing better to do. They do not work, they do not contribute to their communities betterment, and they do not pay taxes. Get a life.
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65IF only on Jun 1, 2009 at 7:34 am:
I had a few minutes to spare i’d go and crack some of these old farts alcohol addled heads. stupid shi-t’s every damn one of them. but in a sense, by choosing to live in Berkley Mr. Yoo kind of knew what he was getting into. i wouldnt live there if you gave me a mansion for free. not among the greatest collection of smelly hippies and fools to be found in the US.
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66Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 7:38 am:
First, there are several crimes being committed in this instance. The first is harassment. The second is trespassing on private property, and the third being vandalism on private property. Since this protest is occuring in a residential neighborhood, the protestors could be subjected to noise complaints from neighbors and the Police would have to respond. All of these are misdemeanors. If the protest turns violent, then felonies would ensue because all of the crimes above would then be deemed “aggrivated” plus any assualt charges. The newspaper could also be found liable for any damages incurred by Yoo since they posted the address and encouraged people to harass him. The paper could be sued in civil court along with the individual suspects who committed the crimes. Like another post mentioned, the Berkeley PD probably wouldn’t do anything anyway. There are other issues at play - for instance, did this group obtain the proper permit for protest? Does Berkeley allow for protesting in areas zoned as “residential”? If this kind of private residential property protesting IS allowed, it opens up a new form of harassment. This harassment should be inflicted upon the homes of Code Pink, World Can Wait, etc….
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67RB on Jun 1, 2009 at 7:50 am:
The left rejects the concepts of private property and the right to property (or at least to OTHER PEOPLES private property and right to property). So they do not see that they are doing anything wrong. Besides, people who disagree with the left are evil, so don’t deserve the protections afforded by a civil society.
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68Ty Coon on Jun 1, 2009 at 8:05 am:
Welcome to the new U.S.S.A.!!! Facist ever since that Chicago street thug/ dope smoker took office. Contract breaking, stealing from investors to give to political donors, etc.Thank you to the 72% B.O., voters who thought the R’s controlled Congress. Stupid as anything in the WORLD !!
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69Nomennovum on Jun 1, 2009 at 8:19 am:
There are so many ways I would have fun with freaks like these camped out at the end of my driveway.
Let’s think of the ways: (1) A particularly stinky can of garbage. (2) Newly spread manure fertilizer. Cow manure is nice. Pig crap better. (3) Ice cold water from my sprinkler set to spray all over the stinky hippies. (4) Loud, hateful- to-hippies, music (how about Ted Nugent cranked to 11?). (5) Staring down the hippies, drinking Bud, and peeing on their furniture.
Let’s see if we can think of more.
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70Kirche on Jun 1, 2009 at 8:21 am:
get out the garden hose… fully open the spigot… and spray that yellow-chalk grafitti, back down the driveway, “accidentally” all over mrs. white pants who wrote it when she trespassed onto his private property.
a person doesn’t get too many chances like this in life.
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71Uncle Jefe on Jun 1, 2009 at 8:29 am:
No, bakunin, it is not democracy in action, it is thugocracy in action.
Get it straight.
They are protesting what, at this point? His so-called ‘crimes’ are long over and done with.
So they’re protesting his right to live where he wants to?
This is indeed harassment and intimidation, not democratic free speech.
Yeah, love how you sing “Proud to be an American, where at least I know I’m free…” from across the border…
Keep speaking truth to power, stud.
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72Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 8:29 am:
Bakunin..
I’m a Canadian living in Canada … GET THE FUCK OUT.. the last thing we need is an American dope smoking hippie that thinks HE makes the law.
The little voices in your head are in direct propoprtion to the amount of dope you do stoner .. Lay off the bong and in a few years you will start to see things more clearly.
Doug
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73Disco Prime on Jun 1, 2009 at 8:50 am:
If I were Dr. Yoo, I would have filled my trash cans up with water, duct taped the lids closed, then rolled them down my driveway until loud crashes ensued followed by meek screams and pleas for love. Hilarity will ensue after that.
Too bad these loons and Berkley have gone down this path. Oh well, they will be considered dinosaurs soon.
Sadly enough with all these Libtards going down this path of blindness, the enemy within will see this too and strike dearly at us. Our sudden complacency and redefining the names to suit our current Administration’s riduculous legal appeal and complete stupidity of geopolitical matters will cost us our freedoms. What will these people do when a carbomb goes off at a mall? How about a school bus of kindergardeners is hijacked and rammed into a freight train? How about the water supply lines or power lines corrupted or poisened? All these things are random accounts, but this is the way these jihadists think. These are the things, if they could, they would execute in a heartbeat. Our Leader will attempt to not report (read: LIE) this to the American people, however, it will get out.
And then what? What will these mental midgets do? I am sure if any of the items above happened to them or their family, they would become the enraged, foaming at the mouth, street mob: totally unified in rage, morally bankrupt in actions, and complete puddy in the hands of government. Sheeple.
The previous administration did what they felt was right. For us to begin demanding for their heads or to put them on some sort of a show trial, or worse, make them engage in these techniques is completely un-American. It will destroy us as a nation.
These grudge holders and their minion in academia, the MSM, and all Hollywood elitists are polarizing this nation into a very finely divided “those who provide” and “those who sponge off”.
I think we know where that will lead us.
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74Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 8:57 am:
Maybe we should join them and hold up signs like “Lazy People with Nothing Better to Do Against YOO”
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75Anthony on Jun 1, 2009 at 9:08 am:
“Is it proper to harass and menace people in their private homes?”
It is emphatically not proper.
“Have we entered a new era of vigilante justice?”
I can only hope not.
“Or have the protesters crossed a line into illegal territory?”
If they have, they should be arrested.
“Is it OK for the protesters to tell John Yoo’s neighbors he is a criminal?”
They can offer opinions; they may not harass, bully or threaten.
“Are they allowed to write slogans on his private property?”
Defacement of private property is illegal.
“Did the Berkeley Daily Planet violate journalistic ethics by promoting this event?”
What journalistic ethics?
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76Gayle Miller on Jun 1, 2009 at 10:42 am:
These so-called protesters are a bunch of sanctimonious mental midgets who deserve to be arrested and have their ugly asses hauled into prison out of sight of decent human beings! It is assault and bullying behavior at a minimum.
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77Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 10:44 am:
Yoo should install a sprinkler system that he can turn on from inside or in his car. Then he’ll have the amusement of watching them get soaked. Perhaps there’s high pitced frequency of sound that only silly useful idiot Hamas and Batthism supporters can hear.
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78Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 11:41 am:
….paintball gun…;)
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79Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 11:42 am:
or a slingshot… with garden snails for ammo…
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80Gydytojas on Jun 1, 2009 at 11:50 am:
What does one expect from Berkeley? This city is full of hypocritical granola head leftists. They hate the military and do not know the price they paid so these blathering idiots can voice their opinions. They are totally clueless. If Fidel Castro moved into the neighborhood, these same types would be swooning over him, and would ignore his record of genocide. These pukes need to go protest in North Korea. First they need to be arrested and thrown in jail for trespassing and vandalism, then throw their asses on a plane to Pyongyang . I am sure they would be welcomed warmly in the Socialist Communist Workers’ Paradise Utopia. They can stay there and hold hands with Kim Jong Il and protest against America.
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81Reek on Jun 1, 2009 at 12:37 pm:
His only ‘crime’ is an opinion - it’s not like he was doing the torturing. Since when does thoughtcrime = war crime?
The bigger question seems to be “Does the end justify the means?” And it appears that both sides agree on this one. Advocates of state action, both right & left-wing, believe that their desired policy outweighs any legal or moral objections. Public protesters (of private individuals) & vigilantes, both left & right-wing, believe their actions are more important than any moral or legal prohibitions…
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82Anonymous on Jun 1, 2009 at 1:48 pm:
I am blessed by God not to be a witness to things like this by people like this.
becuase I would open up the biggest can of whoop ass my 40 year old body could unleash. its been along time since ive punched someone. but I could make an exception for them.
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83Capitalist Infidel on Jun 1, 2009 at 1:58 pm:
When did something as inane and timid as waterboarding become “torture?”
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84Fenris on Jun 1, 2009 at 2:53 pm:
Of course they have no qualms tagging his driveway. Communists don’t believe in private property.
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85weeping jester on Jun 1, 2009 at 3:12 pm:
Bakunin on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:05 am:
“Bakunin, the dictionary definition of “vigilante” is “any person who takes the law into his or her own hands.” That’s exactly what these people are doing.”
That is exactly NOT what these people are doing. Traditionally, the punishment for war crimes is capital punishment. If these people where taking “the law into his or her own hands” then they would be breaking his house and lynching him. This is not what is happening.
They in fact ARE taking the law into their own hands, by their declaration that Mr Yoo IS a criminal. This is a declaration of fact, not opinion (”I think he is a criminal” is opinion. “He is a criminal” is a declaration of fact) Since determination of criminality is a legal issue to be determined by the courts, by stating such they have taken the role of the courts (”the law”) into their own hands. By protesting and attempting to deprive him of a normal life (”John Yoo is going to have problems living a normal life now”) they are attempting to inflict punishment (traditional or not-I would also argue the “traditional punishishment for war crimes” issue), also a perogative of the courts.
Therefore by acting as judge & jury (determination of guilt, assignment of punishment) and executioner (carrying out punishment) they have taken the law into their own hands, and thus could be considered vigilantes.
The legality of their actions is debatable, depending on several issues not available in this article (extent of private property limits, permit/protest requirements, local laws, degree of harassment etc) but as described certainly appears to cross the line. If Mr Yoo is no longer a government employee, then it would seem he is no longer a Public figure, but a private citizen, making a case for illegal harrassment stronger.
I think he’s foolish to live in Berkley, but theres a lot to be said for a super soaker loaded with indeliable dye.
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86Commonsensical on Jun 1, 2009 at 5:16 pm:
I think these people need the Buzz Aldrin treatment.
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87Commonsensical on Jun 1, 2009 at 5:17 pm:
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU
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88Commonsensical on Jun 1, 2009 at 5:17 pm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU
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89liberalscum on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:13 pm:
What surprises me is that there is actually one intelligent person living in Berkley
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90average_guy on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:16 pm:
In Barack’s New Order, all private property either has already been taken over by the government or will soon be. Therefore, there is no harm done by this in the long run. Actually, removing the grafitti will provide two or three jobs which will be funded by stimulus money for two years, and then after that the jobs will be funded by tax increases.
/out….
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91SSG David Medzyk on Jun 1, 2009 at 6:22 pm:
I’m thinking a well aimed firehose to clear that graffiti off….and then he could erase the chalk scribblings on the driveway
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92Ken on Jun 1, 2009 at 8:05 pm:
Off topic, but did anyone read about this?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-06-01-army-recruiter-killed_N.htm
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93CattusMagnus on Jun 1, 2009 at 10:37 pm:
#92 Ken,
Yes. It’s awful. I can’t believe the police lieutenant said that they were “not completely clear on what he [the shooter] was upset about.” Is it really that difficult to imagine why an Islamist wack-job would want to shoot up some Americans in army uniforms? It’s not because they cut him off on the highway. Such a tragedy. The victim was only 24.
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94Squanto on Jun 1, 2009 at 10:50 pm:
Am I the only one who thinks it might be a little fun to have protesters in my driveway to fuck with whenever I felt like it?
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95Dave Surls on Jun 2, 2009 at 12:30 am:
“Join this group on Grizzly Peak for an hour or so.”
I’ll drive by, spit at them and yell some appropriately vile anti-lefty traitor invective, if I can find out when the next time the leftscum welfare leeches will be loitering.
But, I don’t think it’ll take me a whole hour.
When’s the next protest?
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96Dave Surls on Jun 2, 2009 at 12:32 am:
“(4) Loud, hateful- to-hippies, music (how about Ted Nugent cranked to 11?)”
I’m a hippie (albeit a right wing hippie), and I love Ted Nugent. As a matter of fact, thanks to you, I’m listening to “Stranglehold” right now.
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97Ken on Jun 2, 2009 at 1:03 am:
“Is it really that difficult to imagine why an Islamist wack-job would want to shoot up some Americans in army uniforms?”
Well, I imagine the cops have to follow procedure and probably don’t want to make any public announcement until the investigation is finished. Or maybe that official wasn’t free to comment at the moment. So far we can only speculate at this. The guy who ended up just getting wounded was only 18 and both were just doing volunteer work and had only recently completed basic training. Pretty awful. As I pointed out in the other thread, I find it functionally impossible to NOT have respect for soldiers.
“I’m listening to ‘Stranglehold’ right now”
I’m surprised you didn’t choose “Bound and Gagged.”
Seriously, though, although the Nuge is a right-wing crackpot, I like his anti-drug message. I was also into competitive archery when I was younger. And he can shred the guitar. I actually do enjoy his music.
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98Dave Surls on Jun 2, 2009 at 2:16 am:
How can you be a commie and like rock? That’s counter-revolutionary.
You’re supposed to listen to stuff like “I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night”. You know seriously boring folky stuff.
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99Dennis D on Jun 2, 2009 at 5:59 am:
Yoo should be awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for making tough decisions to protect American Citizens. Everyone knows Bezerkley is a haven for Jewish Marxists .
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100Don Meaker on Jun 2, 2009 at 6:23 am:
1. Are lawyers guilty of the crimes of their clients?
2. Since US soldiers are subject to “waterboarding”, and it causes no permanent damage, “waterboarding” is not torture.
3. illegal combatants are not protected under Geneva Conventions.
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101Tailgunner on Jun 2, 2009 at 6:24 am:
It’s NOT about vandalism. It’s about TERROR.
Their aim is to terrorize him and whatever family he has day and night. His wife wont be able to sleep and his kids will be scared stiff.
If they’re school age they will be intimidated by fellow students and left-wing union teachers will ignore their complaints.
Once the left has declared someone an ‘unperson’…there’s no limit to what they’re allowed to do to him and those he loves.
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102djaymick on Jun 2, 2009 at 6:38 am:
I think its funny how the House has passed the “Hate Crimes Prevention Act” (awaiting for Senate approval) that will protect pedophiles and will lead to felony charges if anyone tries to evict them from their neighborhoods. I guess California would rather have them than Republicans.
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103Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 6:53 am:
This is why we have a 2nd ammendment
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104Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 6:56 am:
This is the beginning of the new Kristallnacht movement.
The neo-brown shirts are mobilizing.
Grass roots fascism will be all the rage this fall.
As proof:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009286787_webpartnership01.html
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105MS on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:07 am:
I’d like to see some protests like that here in Louisiana where citizens aren’t neutered and gun rights are fully enjoyed and defended.
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106SallyDavies on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:34 am:
I have zero pity for this man in the same way I would not have for the Nazis who enabled war crimes then. The hatred on the right has got out if hand, Scott Roeder who murdered Tiller was a frequent commenter on Michelle Malkin’s site. She should think carefully about her form of hate she creates over there.
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107Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:40 am:
So can we do this to Abortion doctors now?
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108FLU-BIRD on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 am:
Why is their sign in sissy pink anyway?
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109SallyDavies on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:46 am:
It is only on the extreme right wing do we find someone that equates chalk on the edge of a persons property to murdering in cold blood in church while the wife looks on. This is why you are the problem.
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110Drider on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:48 am:
Well these idiots may some weak tea example of a protest against a private citizen but a semi truck barreling down the hill (out of control of course) and wiping out the entire kitt and kaboodle of these terrifying “protesters” would be pure entertainment that I would pay admission to see.Yeah, because I care that much for these types of people.
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111Lex on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:52 am:
Possibly legal, but indoubtably dumb. Yoo has a perfectly nice, PUBLICLY OWNED office where protesters can gather on PUBLIC PROPERTY and make their points just as effectively. I just find it interesting how many people here think Yoo has done nothing to protest. The public record is quite clear on that point.
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112Ken Miller on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:52 am:
As usual, if they really did fear him as much as they say, they would be too scared to protest him.
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113Karen on Jun 2, 2009 at 8:52 am:
While I agree that this doesn’t quite meet the level of vigilantism, it could reach to slander and libel, since it was written in the flyer, and the intent is to affect his life and work, etc. Saying that he is a criminal is a lie because he hasn’t been charged or found guilty of any wrongdoing. Therefore, he is innocent and not a criminal. That is how the legal code works. So, claiming that he is a criminal and trying to affect his job and life could provide evidence for slaner and libel. He also might get stalking if they follow him everywhere and harrass him. If they use chalk on his property, then he also may have a claim to vandalism.
Sally, you’re right that what Roeder did was despicable and he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. However, I am a frequent reader of Michelle Malkin’s site and have never seen Roeder post there. You should be very careful before you start flinging accusations around. Your comments also have a tone of hate that is equal to anything commenters from the right have expressed. Perhaps you might want to be careful about that glass house you’re in.
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114Sean Patrick on Jun 2, 2009 at 10:44 am:
I would just like to take a step back for a second and say that I am really proud of my people just for having this argument, and that there are very intelligent people on both sides. It gives me a lot of hope for the future that people like you all exist and have enough fire to hammer us towards the correct course. Well done all.
Sean
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115Fenris on Jun 2, 2009 at 10:46 am:
#91
Well played, David. Well played.
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116Zipadee on Jun 2, 2009 at 10:52 am:
If he were to turn the sprinkler on them it’s likely he would be cited for wasting water on a no water day by the City.
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117Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 10:57 am:
I’d get out my damn gun and shoot these motherf**kers if they were harassing me on MY property like this.
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118Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 11:46 am:
I can’t wait until they come to my house!
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119zombie on Jun 2, 2009 at 12:03 pm:
#101 Tailgunner
I had to edit your comment to remove a statement I don’t want posted here. Sorry.
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120SaintApathy on Jun 2, 2009 at 1:03 pm:
108FLU-BIRD on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 am:
Why is their sign in sissy pink anyway?
Most likely a part of the Code Pink(o) contingent.
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121Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 1:07 pm:
1st, I despise what these protest nuts are doing. It is just not kosher to harass someone’s family, which is the inevitable result here.
However, for those of you ranting on about private property, please look at the pic with the telephone pole.
In most municipalities, the utility companies get their access to put in things like telephone poles in a right of way that is owned by the city. The phone company will almost always put the poles at the edge of the right of way to avoid having to rework them in case of road construction. So technically, you can assume that the actual private property line is just uphill of the telephone pole, which is also just uphill of the chalk. These protesters are despicable, but at least one of them is probably not an idiot and knows this little detail.
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122Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 1:22 pm:
I would get this stuff called “deer fence” at home depot. It smells like s**t. Then I would spray it on the bushes where they are protesting. See how long their delicate noses can stand it.
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123skysoljr on Jun 2, 2009 at 1:33 pm:
SallyDavies on Jun 2, 2009 at 7:34 am:
I have zero pity for this man in the same way I would not have for the Nazis who enabled war crimes then. The hatred on the right has got out if hand, Scott Roeder who murdered Tiller was a frequent commenter on Michelle Malkin’s site. She should think carefully about her form of hate she creates over there.
You cannot be serious. Provide proof of this idiotic and unsupported claim or kindly set yourself on fire. And please take a bath. Stupidity smells as bad as BO.
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124Dave Surls on Jun 2, 2009 at 2:06 pm:
“Shoot the first one of those bastards who sets foot on your property.”
Well, you can’t really shoot people for that (at least not in this part of the world)…but you sure can make sure they stay off your property, by either running them off yourself, or calling the cops, getting a restraining order, etc.
You can tell just by looking at the photos that those losers are no threat to anyone. They’re just a bunch of 60 year olds acting like college kids, because they never grew up (and never will). They’re a nuisance, not a threat.
If you shot them, the police would get all upset about it. Not worth it.
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125Dave Surls on Jun 2, 2009 at 2:22 pm:
“I have zero pity for this man”
Well, Sally, I have zero pity for you too. Doesn’t mean I get to hassle you or trespass on your property.
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126CattusMagnus on Jun 2, 2009 at 2:36 pm:
#106 Sally,
“I have zero pity for this man in the same way I would not have for the Nazis who enabled war crimes then.”
That is the most fallacious and asinine analogy that I’ve heard in a long time. If only Auschwitz and Birkenau were constructed for waterboarding! But unfortunately they had a much more sinister purpose. Do you really think the watterboarding of three terrorists is morally equivalent to the murder/torture/rape/vivisection/false imprisonment/persecution of innocent millions of Jews and others? You’re allowed to have your anti-watterboarding stance but don’t think that you’re standing up to anyone of Nazi caliber.
And Michelle Malkin’s pro-life opinions do not equal hate speech and she has never advocated violence against anyone. You’re implying that pro-lifers/republicans/conservatives somehow approve of Tiller’s murder. This is not so. Although Malkin said that people like you would say things like this.
“It is only on the extreme right wing do we find someone that equates chalk on the edge of a persons property to murdering in cold blood in church while the wife looks on. This is why you are the problem.”
Who are you talking about? I don’t think anyone is doing that here. These persons area bunch of self-important little idiots but certainly not murderers. Saying that these protestors are akin to Scot Roeder would be like saying that John Yoo is akin to a Nazi sympathizer . . . . oh wait a minute . . . .
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127Dave Surls on Jun 2, 2009 at 2:40 pm:
“the Nazis who enabled war crimes then.”
Pardon me, but the Nazis killed millions of innocent people by design. Republicans, or their henchmen like Yoo, don’t do that sort of thing.
Nazis did REAL nasty things, Liberals and Democrats do some pretty nasty things (like putting innocent people in concentration camps, deliberately attacking civilian population centers with napalm and atomic weapons, drafting millions of people into the military to go fight some idiot war in Europe or Asia, etc., etc), but stodgy Republican types are a lot better behaved, generally limiting themselves to atrocities like dunking terrorists’ heads under water.
See the distinction, Sally? Lefties (like the Nazis, the liberal Democrats…people who think like you) carry out terrible atrocities against totally innocent people. People who are more to the right, however, hold their atrocities down and restrict themselves to leaning on totally not innocent terrorists, and making them feel uncomfortable (as opposed to incinerating Japanese babies with atomic bombs, which is not only much more uncomfortable, but downright fatal).
There’s a difference, dearheart.
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128Dave Surls on Jun 2, 2009 at 2:52 pm:
“It is only on the extreme right wing do we find someone that equates chalk on the edge of a persons property to murdering in cold blood in church while the wife looks on. This is why you are the problem.”
More like only on the left wing do we find people who put completely innocent of anything Japanese-American citizens, including infants, in concentration camps one day, make a hero out of the guy who ordered it for the next ten million days; and then squeal in outrage the next day after that, because mass-murdering terrorists are being mistreated by being forced to listen to loud music.
But, that’s because liberalism is a mental illness.
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129Anonycon on Jun 2, 2009 at 3:17 pm:
Wow, SallyDavies, just wow. I feel sorry for the man (or woman) who has to come home every night and listen to your lunacy. Hopefully they’re another head-in-the-sand liberal like you… It’ll keep another couple from being messed up.
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130JoeS on Jun 2, 2009 at 3:18 pm:
Thanks for this, Zombie.
Go back and look up the Sturmabteilung (Brown Shirts) in 1930’s Germany. The Nazis used violent homosexuals to intimidate his political opponents.
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131Black Avenger on Jun 2, 2009 at 3:31 pm:
vigilantism?? It’s not like they are the Klan rushing into his house to lynch him. They are barley on his (seems to be very long) driveway.
So it’s ok if the Klan only burns a cross on my lawn? Go to hell, Bakunin.
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132Jay on Jun 2, 2009 at 3:43 pm:
I disagree with the protestors completely, but surely they have the right to protest. I don’t understand the outrage.
In the photo above it looks like they are on Mr Yoo’s property, though of course I don’t know for a fact where the property line is. If they are, that’s trespassing, and he could call the police and have them removed. It also appears that they are blocking his driveway. I don’t know what the law is in California, but when I organized (right-wing) protests in Ohio that was illegal, and we always had to warn our people against blocking driveways. Writing on his driveway — assuming that is HIS driveway and not public property — is vandalism and he could have them charged with a crime or a tort for that. But frankly, unless they really harass anyone trying to enter or leave his house — and I don’t know whether they’re doing that or not — all of this is pretty trivial.
Now unequivocally stating that Mr Yoo is a “criminal” — I’m not a lawyer, but as I understand it, that’s libel. Indeed, falsely stating that someone has broken the law is a special category of libel, “libel per se”, that is treated particularly strictly. Compared to this, saying that the advice he gave the president was “unethical and shoddy” would, I think, be regarded by any court as “opinion” and thus not actionable.
Conclusion: I certainly wouldn’t want people camped out in my driveway protesting something I said or did. But as long as they do you no actual harm but are simply expressing their opinion, it seems to me that that’s what freedom of speech is all about.
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133Sean Patrick on Jun 2, 2009 at 4:09 pm:
#132 jay
I like your level headed and logical approach. They have the right to protest, as long as they dont trespass, vandalize, et cetera. No they shouldnt be shot, although i love reading how many people responded with that sentiment. Is it true that Yoo was only reiterating an already existing law that he had nothing to do with creating? The law changes, and hopefully the majority of the changes will be for the better, that is the beauty of our system. How can Yoo be faulted for abiding by and operating under a law that he did not create. Socrates didnt agree with the majority who put him to death, but he chose to abide by the law that he lived under his whole life. Maybe we need some ethical relativity, and forget a dog whose day has passed, and look to future problems.
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134Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 4:22 pm:
Where’s a water hose when you need one? Or for that matter when the dirt bags need one .
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135Chris Olt on Jun 2, 2009 at 4:22 pm:
Where’s a water hose when you need one? Or for that matter when the dirt bags need one .
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136Conundergorund.com on Jun 2, 2009 at 4:23 pm:
Where’s a water hose when you need one? Or for that matter when the dirt bags need one .
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137Conunderground.com on Jun 2, 2009 at 4:23 pm:
Where’s a water hose when you need one? Or for that matter when the dirt bags need one .
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138Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 4:45 pm:
Bakunin said (in part):”These people aren’t breaking into his house and lynching him.”
Not yet, but given the mob mentality - or lack of mentality in Bezerkley, I would say it is a distinct possibility. If it happens - then what? Are the mob “heroes” for taking the law into their own hands? Would the 9th Circus Court just let them go?
No doubt you have done something in your life that offends somone. Would you like it if they mobilized people to protest your very existence for crimes against the environment, or some such superfluous ranting construed to serve as “justice” for Mother Earth?
Wise up. What happens to Yoo can happen to You.
Kbob in Katy, TX
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139Dave Surls on Jun 2, 2009 at 5:37 pm:
“Not yet, but given the mob mentality - or lack of mentality in Bezerkley, I would say it is a distinct possibility.”
Well, I’ve been living round these parts for most of the last 55 years, and I haven’t seen a lynching yet. I’ve seen broken shop windows (a lot back in the 60’s and 70’s), political slogans sprayed on walls, and stuff like that…but no lynchings.
So far, so good.
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140Bakunin on Jun 2, 2009 at 8:14 pm:
138Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 4:45 pm:
“Bakunin said (in part):”These people aren’t breaking into his house and lynching him.”
Not yet, but given the mob mentality - or lack of mentality in Bezerkley, I would say it is a distinct possibility. If it happens - then what? Are the mob “heroes” for taking the law into their own hands? Would the 9th Circus Court just let them go?”
If they did that, they would be locked up for murder to rot. That’s what they deserve if they actually took the law into there hands. Unless your incredibly cynical about the nature of the justice system, a conviction of a break in/murder would be a slam dunk.
“No doubt you have done something in your life that offends somone. Would you like it if they mobilized people to protest your very existence for crimes against the environment, or some such superfluous ranting construed to serve as “justice” for Mother Earth?”
Let them. I have freedom of speech to confront them. It would be like that guy off of family guy going “this guys a big fat phony!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk9HN7AwlX0 Annoying, yes, but I wouldn’t be worried about it.
“Wise up. What happens to Yoo can happen to You.”
Or, What happens to Yoo can happen to Yoo too? har har…
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141Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 9:37 pm:
Hopefully Professor Yoo will take time from his busy schedule to assist these fine, fine individuals in the legal penalties for slander, libel, and trespass.
As Carol Burnett demonstrated so effectively some years ago, simply because one is a public personality, that does not mean one is fair game for any slander or libel that a small but hostile mind might care to offer.
Asserting that a lawyer or other professional is a criminal would, in my understanding as a non-attorney, create PLENTY of legal standing as such accusations place said person at substantial professional disadvantage and at risk of serious economic harm.
Given that Yoo was/is a VASTLY less public figure than Burnett, it seems reasonable to expect he will have a far easier time defeating the “public figure” defense than did Burnett, and go on to acquire substantial damages from the Planet and the protesters.
Sadly, as satisfying as it might be, and as justified, hosing down protesters is typically considered assault. Developing a new hobby as a beekeeper…I’m not so sure…..
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142Ken on Jun 2, 2009 at 10:44 pm:
“How can you be a commie and like rock? That’s counter-revolutionary”
Hey, good music is good music. End of story.
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143Dave Surls on Jun 3, 2009 at 12:53 am:
Well, when you get right down to it, whatever music you like is good music. If it makes you feel good, it’s good, and it’s all really just a matter of taste. Sounds like we have similar tastes, at least as far as Ted Nugent goes.
I’m basically a rocker, though I do like other kinds of music, expecially classical.
If I’m not listening to the Grateful Dead (my all time favorite band) or Satriani, or Tom Petty, or Nirvana or my new discovery…the Eagles of Death Metal, I’ll be listening to Mozart or Bach or something like that.
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144Some Guy on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:18 am:
Give me a firehose and fifteen seconds, and I’d have Mr. Yoo’s driveway nice and clean. There might be a pile of hippie trash a dozen yards or so down the road, though.
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145JD on Jun 3, 2009 at 3:44 am:
Now, I’m just sayin’ but it might be interesting to see what happens if we post the home addresses of the code pink picketers. Their actions are designed to induce terror in Mr. Yoo. As such, they are terrorists and should be outed, right?
{^_^}
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146Lex on Jun 3, 2009 at 4:58 am:
[[Saying that he is a criminal is a lie because he hasn’t been charged or found guilty of any wrongdoing.]] — Karen @113.
No, it’s not a lie, it’s a recognition of uncontroverted fact. By directly contradicting the plain meaning of Geneva and the UN Convention Against Torture, as well as U.S. case law w/r/t waterboarding, John Yoo illegally granted “permission” for the U.S. to commit war crimes. Yes, the judicial system has a legal obligation to treat him as innocent unless/until proven guilty. That doesn’t mean the rest of us must ignore the facts in front of our faces. If we did, police would never arrest anyone.
[[ ... what Roeder did was despicable and he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.]] — Karen @113
Um, that would be the same Roeder who hasn’t (yet) been found guilty of any wrongdoing, correct?
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147Dave Surls on Jun 3, 2009 at 6:20 am:
“No, it’s not a lie”
Yes, it is a lie.
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148Dave Surls on Jun 3, 2009 at 6:45 am:
“If we did, police would never arrest anyone.”
Luckily, the police don’t go around arresting people because someone offered an opinion that offends the delicate sensibilities of terrorist-loving, leftist traitors.
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149jim on Jun 3, 2009 at 8:45 am:
u.s. military torture training includes being water-boarded. But, it becomes torture when used on individuals whose torture training includes…genital mutilation, eye removal, beheadings and other barbaric measures…anyone who considers water-boarding worse than what the sickos do is a complete flippin’ moron that needs a serious bail-out and re-structuring of the brain!!!!!! Being mentally bankrupt and all.
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150Anonymous on Jun 3, 2009 at 11:30 am:
For all you saying, “These people are trespassing”, are you sure? At least arround here, the state/city/whatever, owns so many feet out from the center line of the road. This usually runs many feet up into what people ususally consider ‘their’ yard. But, the government owns it, even though they expect you to maintain it. That being said, from the pictures, it looks like they might be standing on this government owned land, and not on Yoo’s property.
In addition, the words on the driveway looks like it was written with something similar to the sidewalk chalk my kids use. Hardly “graffiti”. If they used water to write out words on his driveway, is that considered ‘graffiti’ as well?
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151Dave Surls on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:19 pm:
Well, if they aren’t trespassing, then I guess trespassing wouldn’t be an issue.
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152Anonymous on Jun 3, 2009 at 4:32 pm:
Of course the hooligans committed illegal activity. Since there is no ‘public sidewalk’, standing anywhere other than the street is trespassing. Graffiti on the driveway is vandalism - even if that is chalk. It looks more like day-glow traffic paint.
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153John Q. American on Jun 4, 2009 at 12:39 am:
I’ve seen many complaints of how the protesters are acting, they are just imitating the right wingnuts who protest anything “they” don’t like. The anti-abortion protesters have to stay from Doctors, nurses and business by law,(To protect women and abortion-clinic doctors and staff, Congress in 1994 passed a law called F.A.C.E. — the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act (18 U.S.C., Sect. 248). The law prohibits injuring, intimidating or interfering with any person who obtains or provides reproductive health services. It provides for civil and criminal penalties against violators. The law has survived several First Amendment challenges.) because of the past violence(shootings, bombings and blocking staff and patients) Different states have different distances protesters have to stay away from people and business and private property. F. A. C. E. laws were enacted because of right wingnut protesters!(THANKS FOR RUINING IT FOR EVERY BODY!) To condemn these protesters of Yoo, you are condemning your own right wingnut tactics. To all you right wingnuts out there: STOP BEING SUCH HYPOCRITES!
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154John Q. American on Jun 4, 2009 at 12:49 am:
145JD on Jun 3, 2009 at 3:44 am:
Now, I’m just sayin’ but it might be interesting to see what happens if we post the home addresses of the code pink picketers. Their actions are designed to induce terror in Mr. Yoo. As such, they are terrorists and should be outed, right?
What if we were to post the name and home address of every anti-abortion picketers. Would you feel the same way JD? They induce terror in Doctors and patients, with shootings and bombings. As such, they are Domestic terrorists and should be outed, right?
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155Dave Surls on Jun 4, 2009 at 2:00 am:
Sounds to me like there’s all kinds of laws preventing anti-abortion protestors from hassling people, but pro-terrorist protestors are free to do pretty much as they please.
Nice system.
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156Dave Surls on Jun 4, 2009 at 2:11 am:
“As such, they are Domestic terrorists and should be outed, right?”
Generally speaking, we don’t “out” people if they shoot someone, or blow something up. Putting them in prison is considered to be the minimal appropriate response.
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157Anonycon on Jun 4, 2009 at 1:02 pm:
“To all you right wingnuts out there: STOP BEING SUCH HYPOCRITES!” LOL what a moonbat!
If we were to follow your statement to its logical conclusion, all of you libtards are hypocrites for screaming “peace” like a bunch of Nancies while one of your own is out shooting soldiers.
Gee whiz, that’s funny, it works both ways.
Speaking of which, Lex said, “That doesn’t mean the rest of us must ignore the facts in front of our faces.” I suppose then the Navy should go after those “Whale Wars” idiots and sink their failboat for terrorizing (as you libs are so fond of putting it) whalers who are operating within the law.
Whatcha think John? Sounds like more leftist hypocrisy, no? Peace-loving terrorists?
In case you don’t get it, I’m trying to illustrate that your logic is flawed, your statements ridiculous, and your political affiliation a source of ridicule. I know it’s hard for you guys, but you should try to THINK before you let statements so asinine dribble down your nerves from brain to keyboard.
Also: anyone who claims to be pro-life and God-fearing and then goes on to bomb an abortion clinic or kill an abortionist is a maniacal idiot. Seriously.
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158Jeffrey Altman,MD on Jun 4, 2009 at 1:06 pm:
Definitely irresponsible journalism to encourage illegal activities. Definitely trespassing and illegal defacement of the professor’s private property. I hope that local law enforcement was engaged to prosecute and get these miscreant hooligans off the professor’s property. Definitely crossed the line from a legitimate protest tactic. Looks like the Code Pink crazies.
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159Quite Rightly on Jun 4, 2009 at 5:23 pm:
“I don’t feel safe living in the vicinity of someone who believes torture is legal.”
But I do feel safe planting my rear end on a chair in Yoo’s driveway with an enormous pink “Shame on you” sign, and writing slurs on his character on his property.
Yeah, right.
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160Dave Surls on Jun 4, 2009 at 6:45 pm:
“I’ve seen many complaints of how the protesters are acting”
Well, that’s probably because they’re acting like what they are: America-hating, terrorist-loving scum, who can’t be bothered to say boo if thousands of innocent Americans are murdered in cold blood by Al Qaida terrorists, but who can be bothered to scream their little pinheads off, and organize protests and whatnot, if some Al Qaida terrorist gets captured and has his hair mussed at Gitmo.
Decent people tend to get a little irritated at that sort of behavior.
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161zombie on Jun 5, 2009 at 11:11 am:
#153 John Q. American
John Q. American, you’re making idiotic assumptions that are completely off-base. First of all, this is not a “right-wing” site, and I do not support “right wingnuts.” Second of all, I in no way support anti-abortion protesters who harass doctors or nurses. If I ever witnessed such a thing, I’d cover it, but stuff like that never happens in the Bay Area. So you’re accusing me of being a hypocrite without any basis whatsoever. I’m pro-choice and pro-gay-marriage — or didn’t you bother to actually read my earlier posts on zombietime?
You thrive on doing combat with imaginary right-wing bugbears. Sorry — that game doesn’t play here. Go to some actual extremist site if that’s whom you want to combat.
Thirdly: Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because some anti-abortion protesters break the law and protest illegally against doctors, that in no way grants permission for these far-left protesters to protest illegally against a lawyer. Your “I can break the law because other people have also broken the law!” line of reasoning was debunked as a logical fallacy about 2,500 years ago.
An absolutely feeble and childish attempt at a rebuttal, John Q. American. Please try harder next time and bring a cogent argument.
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162Dave Surls on Jun 5, 2009 at 5:38 pm:
“Second of all, I in no way support anti-abortion protesters who harass doctors or nurses.”
I’ll go along with that one, and I think abortion (on demand) ought to be illegal.
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163Anonymous on Jun 5, 2009 at 5:51 pm:
Those six are stupid goofs and no one worth their salt would worry much about a handful of washed up old hippies who can’t get their heads out of the ’60’s.
If these actually catch on and attract the usual crowd that Zombie photographs (the jihadis and the stalinists and the anomists, “anomist”being a much more accurate term for those self proclaimed black hooded “anarchists” who are in reality useful idiots) things could get uglier.
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164Lex on Jun 6, 2009 at 1:32 pm:
[[I suppose then the Navy should go after those “Whale Wars” idiots and sink their failboat for terrorizing (as you libs are so fond of putting it) whalers who are operating within the law.]] — Anonycon
No, but if the Whale Wars guys are actually interfering with legal whaling, the whalers have legal recourse. All I’m asking is that the law do with John Yoo what it says is supposed to be done with people who have done what he has done. That’s not liberalism, that’s law-and-order conservatism.
[[Luckily, the police don’t go around arresting people because someone offered an opinion that offends the delicate sensibilities of terrorist-loving, leftist traitors.]] — Surls
No, they act on probable cause, of which there is a gracious plenty already in the public record in Yoo’s case. Lock him up.
One other thing: I’ve been a registered North Carolina Republican since 1978 and a tough-on-crime conservative since well before that. In the unlikely event you ever become qualified to pass judgment on my political views, let alone my patriotism, I’ll let you know, but I’d advise you not to hold your breath.
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165Dave Surls on Jun 6, 2009 at 10:23 pm:
“Lock him up.”
Have fun dreaming, sport.
“One other thing: I’ve been a registered North Carolina…”
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Like I care about your personal history.
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166Dave Surls on Jun 6, 2009 at 10:37 pm:
“pass judgment on my political views”
LOL. I wasn’t talking about you, halfwit, I was talking about the protestors and the people hassling Yoo (like the National Lawyer’s Guild…a communist organization…and a pack of leftoid traitors).
That’s because the thread is about the people protesting and harrassing Yoo, not about you.
If I have something to say about you, personally, I’ll let you know.
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167Lex on Jun 7, 2009 at 10:36 am:
My point is that not everyone who wants Yoo in prison is a leftoid. Halfwit.
We’re done here.
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168Dave Surls on Jun 7, 2009 at 12:46 pm:
“We’re done here.”
That’s good, Because if I want to hear boilerplate, commie twaddle about American “war crimes” I can get it from Code Pinko or the Revolutionary Communist Party…so who needs you around?
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169GWB on Jun 8, 2009 at 10:00 am:
What, exactly, was Yoo’s crime? All he did was job. He gave the government legal advice. It was bad advice, yes, but we do not throw lawyers in jail for giving bad advice
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170Dave Surls on Jun 8, 2009 at 2:05 pm:
What I read sounded like pretty good advice/opinion to me, though I haven’t read all of it. As a matter of fact I’d go Yoo one better and say that if NGOs or governments are going to engage in acts like: highjacking American airplanes, taking American children captive and then murdering them by flying them into the sides of buildings, then we aren’t going to be bound by ANY laws or customs of war when it comes to how we treat them if we capture them. Basically, anything goes.
You want us to play by the rules? Then you play by the rules. You don’t, then we don’t.
Just like in WWII, the Japanese didn’t want to play by the rules, so we deliberately targetted their civilian population, bombed their cities into ruins, without prior notification as called for by the laws and customs of war, thereby slaughtering hundreds of thousands of their citizens. Against the rules? Too bad, so sad. The Japanese should have thought about that before they did things like engage in massive atrocities in places like China, and before they mistreated and murdered captured American servicemen.
Same thing now. You don’t play nice, we don’t play nice.
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171RRH on Jun 8, 2009 at 7:01 pm:
As a former journalist and now a lawyer, what’s shocking to me is that the Berkeley paper would publish this piece. I’ll guarantee the paper’s lawyers never saw it.
This is a tidy libel suit for Prof. Yoo against the paper.
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172Anonymous on Jun 9, 2009 at 6:19 am:
I’d pull out my pressure washer, load it up with detergent, and clean off the driveway. Then I’d use it to get the chalk off, too.
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173Anonymous on Jun 10, 2009 at 3:51 pm:
Cynthia Papermaster, the writer of the Daily Planet artical = Code Pink.
She claims to be Bezerkleys’ Peacenik.
http://cpapermaster.livejournal.com/profile
Maybe someone should protest her?
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174gay4reagan on Jun 18, 2009 at 4:08 pm:
ACROSS THE LUSTER OF the desert & into the polychrome hills, hairless & ochre violet dun & umber, at the top of a dessicate blue valley travelers find an artificial oasis, a fortified castle in saracenic style enclosing a hidden garden.
As guests of the Old Man of the Mountain Hassan-i Sabbah they climb rock-cut steps to the castle. Here the Day of Resurrection has already come & gone–those within live outside profane Time, which they hold at bay with daggers & poisons.
Behind crenellations & slit-windowed towers scholars & fedayeen wake in narrow monolithic cells. Star-maps, astrolabes, alembics & retorts, piles of open books in a shaft of morning sunlight–an unsheathed scimitar.
Each of those who enter the realm of the Imam-of-one’s-own- being becomes a sultan of inverted revelation, a monarch of abrogation & apostasy. In a central chamber scalloped with light and hung with tapestried arabesques they lean on bolsters & smoke long chibouks of haschisch scented with opium & amber.
For them the hierarchy of being has compacted to a dimensionless punctum of the real–for them the chains of Law have been broken–they end their fasting with wine. For them the outside of everything is its inside, its true face shines through direct. But the garden gates are camouflaged with terrorism, mirrors, rumors of assassination, trompe l’oeil, legends.
Pomegranate, mulberry, persimmon, the erotic melancholy of cypresses, membrane-pink shirazi roses, braziers of meccan aloes & benzoin, stiff shafts of ottoman tulips, carpets spread like make-believe gardens on actual lawns–a pavilion set with a mosaic of calligrammes–a willow, a stream with watercress–a fountain crystalled underneath with geometry– the metaphysical scandal of bathing odalisques, of wet brown cupbearers hide-&-seeking in the foliage–”water, greenery, beautiful faces.”
By night Hassan-i Sabbah like a civilized wolf in a turban stretches out on a parapet above the garden & glares at the sky, conning the asterisms of heresy in the mindless cool desert air. True, in this myth some aspirant disciples may be ordered to fling themselves off the ramparts into the black–but also true that some of them will learn to fly like sorcerers.
The emblem of Alamut holds in the mind, a mandals or magic circle lost to history but embedded or imprinted in consciousness. The Old Man flits like a ghost into tents of kings & bedrooms of theologians, past all locks & guards with forgotten moslem/ninja techniques, leaves behind bad dreams, stilettos on pillows, puissant bribes.
The attar of his propaganda seeps into the criminal dreams of ontological anarchism, the heraldry of our obsessions displays the luminous black outlaw banners of the Assassins…all of them pretenders to the throne of an Imaginal Egypt, an occult space/light continuum consumed by still-unimagined liberties.
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175Anonymous on Jun 28, 2009 at 10:20 am:
The funniest thing about the above comments is they think the picture shows John Yoo’s driveway. Look again. There’s no curb cut. It’s a sidewalk, duh!
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176Anonymous on Jul 11, 2009 at 4:23 am:
Can I go over there and tell them that I don’t really need or want him to apologize for a professional decision made in the context of job related information?
Yes, that’s good. I wish I could go back in time and say that at the War Crimes trial of Adolph Eichmann. He made many ‘professional decisions’ for him job, too. yes, many opinions of what to do with these darn Jews. He came up with many novel things that the Nazi government could do that he stated were completely legal, under German law. What a creative guy he was. Later on he didn’t need to justify his actions under law, but in the beginning he did. Just following orders!
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177Anonymous on Jul 11, 2009 at 3:50 pm:
He should hire some Wackenhut guys to provide security at his place. Bet the protesters would be gone pretty quick.
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178Anonymous on Aug 10, 2009 at 12:26 pm:
Historically in the US west, vigilanteeism made the west safer by lynching criminals without any BS legal pretenses, as our law enforcement of the day was brutal, corrupt and ineffective.
Yoo is scum and one day rich torturers like him will get a little narodnik style justice. Screw all of his supporters. I know they’d do the same thing to me from their comments. Therefore I am justified in doing it to them first. You mainstream apologists for torture don’t like it when someone takes your own “morality” and turns it against you.
There is only power, either you have power or you don’t. Yoo is allowed to have power. Shooting him in the head would take care of that problem.
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179Denver on Aug 18, 2009 at 4:24 am:
Статья интересная, добавлю в избранное для дальнейшего ознакомления
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180Tailgunner on Aug 18, 2009 at 7:20 pm:
The first sonovabitch that puts a foot on my property like that is gonna be facing a 12 ga Remington 870 loaded with birdshot (the first shell, that is).
These people have publicly threatened this man. And the Berkeley Daily Planet is responsible for ‘astroturfing’ this campaign of fear.
To me that gives Yoo cover for suing the sh+t out of the ‘Planet’…and ventilating the first chickensh*t punk he finds on his property.
I’d shoot one of ‘em just for terrorizing my wife and kids.
If they REALLY thought he was a ‘war criminal’ they wouldn’t have the courage to drive through his ZIP CODE.
Shoot a couple of these cowards for trespassing ‘with intent’ and the problem disappears.
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181Dollar on Sep 1, 2009 at 7:03 am:
Все правильно говорите, мне тоже все понравилось сдесь. Бложек действительно на славу сделан.
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182Nicetravel on Sep 19, 2009 at 4:21 am:
Для более подробного и внимательного изучения добавил в избранное. Буду изучать
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183Baiduru on Sep 24, 2009 at 9:12 pm:
Не увидел нотки благодарности за этот материал в комментариях. Скажу тогда сам:
автору огромная благодарность
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184jagoru on Sep 26, 2009 at 4:34 am:
Не могу сказать, что мне не понравилось. Достаточно интересно и втолне интересно, но тем не менее есть кое какие добавления
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185Stixiorg on Sep 29, 2009 at 9:42 pm:
Большенство почему-то считает, что материал полный. А я совсем другово мнения по этому вопросу. Давайте обсудим
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186Justin TI on Jan 14, 2010 at 7:15 am:
Have you not heard about the growing crimes of organized stalking and electronic harassment? You will not believe what is going on right here in our own neighbourhoods under the guise of citizen watch groups and “national security” gone, well, nutz. Believe it or not it appears to be a form of domestic terrorism right here in Canada and the United states.
The US National Victims of Crime Center receives thousands of calls per month from average citizens reporting this crime. Further the Tornoto Rape Crisis Center is leading the way by aknowledging and activily supporting these until now, unknown and underserved victims of the community stalking phenominon. Organized stalking is a very real and deadly form of stalking that is just now beginning to come to the public’s attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd7P78w8cdA
http://catchcanada.net
http://www.casttv.com/search/DSouza%20family/1
http://www.raven1.net/targ.htm
http://www.freedomfchs.com/
Thanks for your time,
Justin TI, Ottawa, Canada.
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187Art Mobley on Feb 19, 2010 at 6:52 pm:
I completely support all harassment of John Yoo. He’s a war criminal who has not been held accountable for his crimes, so vigilante justice is an appropriate response. I actually wish someone would just end his life.
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188Scared on Mar 18, 2010 at 1:18 am:
I’m not really sure of the circumstance of this man’s crimes against humanity, but I am also currently being privately harassed at my home, an apartment. Unless the publication was an activist magazine, actually in any case, the content of this pseudo-invitation is blasphemous and hate filled. These reverse-torturers are idiots, they suffer from some ethical malady in which torturing another human being makes sense to them. The justification for this pain-delivering is that some karmic law is being taken upon oneself is Wrong. How ironic, people will say. How intelligent, some others. An Eye For An Eye Makes The World Go Blind.
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189Bizrentall on Mar 26, 2010 at 5:16 am:
Можно с этим и согласиться, если доводы основательные будут.
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