San Franciscans have recently been finding themselves in the uncomfortable position of riding around on public buses plastered with the words “ISLAM – Submission to God.” I say “uncomfortable” because San Francisco is famously amongst the most secular and non-religious cities in the nation. But there has been nary a peep of comment or protest about these ubiquitous in-your-face ads, which are shown here in photos taken on March 2 in San Francisco.

Such was not the case a few weeks ago in Ft. Lauderdale, however, which is one of the cities where the ads first appeared on buses. As reported in the Miami Herald, Fort Lauderdale mayor Jim Naugle joined a protest against the same ad campaign. While the protest did not succeed in getting the ads removed, it highlighted the fact the the ads were co-sponsored by the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) — a fact which can be easily confirmed with a little research: The ads themselves link to www.whyislam.org, which states at the bottom of the page that it is a project of ICNA; ICNA’s local chapter has a page on its own site about creating the ISLAM ad campaign in San Francisco; that page also lists CAIR as a co-sponsor (along with many other Muslim groups); and CAIR’s own site “Calling Islam” has many photos, links, and press releases about the ad campaign on its home page. So there’s no question that the ads are an ICNA and CAIR co-project.

Why is this noteworthy? Because ICNA is not your run-of-the-mill Muslim group, but rather is the North American branch of Jamaat-e-Islami, the fundamentalist Pakistani political party whose goal is the imposition of sharia law, and who are closely affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, one of the primary fonts of Islamic fundamentalism in the modern world. ICNA’s mission statement on its own Web site says

The goal of ICNA shall be to seek the pleasure of Allah (SWT) through the struggle of Iqamat-ud-Deen (establishment of the Islamic system of life) as spelled out in the Qur’an and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

The phrase “establishment of the Islamic system of life” means living under sharia (Islamic law) in a caliphate (Islamic political structure). Even the briefest of Web searches turns up any number of links about ICNA which show that it is among the most extreme of all fundamentalist Islamic groups in the United States.

(The proprietor of the zTruth blog also noted the San Francisco Islam bus ad campaign and tried to engage ICNA in a conversation about the cost of the ads — with predictable results: ICNA refused to answer his journalistic questions, even though they specifically invite email exchanges.)

But even more noteworthy is the involvement of CAIR in this concerted effort at dawah (Islamic proselytizing). CAIR derives its political credibility from supposedly being a respectable civil rights nonprofit organization:

CAIR’s literature describes the group as a “leading advocate for justice and understanding”, a mission which includes promoting the understanding of Islam, and protecting Muslim civil liberties. Their stated core principles include supporting freedom of religion, protecting the civil rights of everyone, and encouraging inter-faith dialogue.

But as their association with ICNA and this ad campaign now reveals, CAIR’s real goal is to convert Americans to Islam — with the eventual goal of turning the United States into a fully Islamic society (i.e. one operating under sharia).

In fact, on CAIR’s own “Calling Islam” site, they reveal their true agenda with several pages devoted specifically to dawah, such as this one called “How to Convert to Islam and Become a Muslim.”

There’s nothing wrong or illegal about religious groups trying to convert non-believers, but such activities become unethical when the groups try to pass themselves off as something else entirely — for example, when Scientologists set up innocent-looking “personality assessment” and “stress testing” booths in shopping malls, or when CAIR tries to pretend that it is a civil rights organization.


Later in the same day, I took this photo in San Francisco’s Castro District, at the corner of 18th and Castro streets. As everyone knows, the Castro is the epicenter of gay activism in the United States (note the rainbow flag in the bank window). And even in this neighborhood, the ISLAM bus ads appear prominently and frequently.

Now, whenever any Christian group tries to “cure” gays of homosexuality, or (as happened recently) campaigns to ban gay marriage in California, there are invariably eruptions of outrage in the Castro and throughout the San Francisco gay community, often culminating in protest marches, citizen forums, lawsuits, and more. Which is to be expected.

However, I have not heard the slightest peep of protest about these ISLAM ads appearing in gay neighborhoods. But, you may ask, why should anyone protest? Because, as it turns out, ICNA is virulently anti-gay. On ICNA’s own Web site is this passage, calling homosexuality “a pollution of the soul”:

Marriage is the proper form of satisfying the sexual activity. Adultery, fornication or homosexuality and such things are a pollution of the souls and the purity of genealogies.

Elsewhere on ICNA’s “Why Islam?” site, an essay is posted which says,

Islam teaches that homosexual acts are sinful and punishable by God. This teaching comes not from human beings, but from the Creator of all humans. God tells us in His own words how He punished the people of Lot for their homosexual behaviour.

The story of prophet Lot, on whom be peace, finds mention in several Qur’anic passages, especially Chapter 26:160-175 which reads:

[Qur'anic quote describing the destruction of Sodom.]

From these passages we learn that God saved Lot and the righteous ones of his family, and rained on the rest a shower of brimstone, so they were utterly destroyed. This is mentioned in the Qur’an not only for the sake of information, but mainly to serve as a warning to anyone who dares to repeat such acts.

Clear enough for you?

Furthermore, at major Muslim conferences co-sponsored by ICNA, various speakers and presenters said things like,

Dr Hathout told his audience that the materialism that has captured American society and to which Muslims are not exempt, troubles him. Also troubling is the impetus in modern society to accept the homosexuality as just another lifestyle choice. He reminded his audience that Islam does not accept homosexuality, and he reminded them that people have the choice to make and are mandated by Islam to reject homosexuality.

Moreover, clerics associated with ICNA have issued fatwas against homosexuality. Again, even cursory Web searches bring up many links of all sorts suggesting that ICNA — like most fundamentalist Islamic parties — is unapologetically opposed to homosexuality, and advocates strict adherence to Islamic law, under which the penalty for homosexual acts is death.

And yet — there is a resounding silence from San Francisco’s gay community about these ads, which are paid for by a group whose ultimate goal is to outlaw homosexuality in the United States. Imagine, for a moment, if a Christian group with similar goals had paid for and displayed proselytizing ads in the Castro. The outrage would be deafening. And yet when a Muslim group does it — silence. Why? There’s only one possible answer: Fear.

The cowardice and hypocrisy of the gay activist community on this issue is deeply troubling.


Other cities:

When the same ad campaign appeared on the New York subway system, the New York Post exposed the terror connections behind the ICNA-associated imam who was promoting the ads. Even so, as Weasel Zippers pointed out, the media continued to write puff pieces about ICNA.

The “Creeping Sharia” blog had an extensive post about the Ft. Lauderdale bus ads which had some excellent background research on the issue — pointing out, for example, how the ads (and CAIR’s Web site associated with the ads) are insulting and offensive to Christians and Jews. The Creeping Sharia post also has a great deal more evidence conclusively proving that ICNA is an offshoot of Jamaat-e-Islami, the Pakistani religious party seeking to establish an Islamic caliphate.

The controversy over the ads in Ft. Lauderdale led the County Commission to consider banning all religious advertising on local buses.

In addition to San Francisco and Ft. Lauderdale, the same ad campaign has also appeared in Miami and Chicago. This article says the ads have also run in Orlando, Jacksonville (FL), Portland (OR), and San Antonio.

Zomblog readers report seeing ISLAM ads from this campaign on buses, trains and billboards in New York, Baltimore and Seattle. Have you spotted them in your town?

140 Responses to “Islam bus ads sponsored by CAIR and ICNA roll into San Francisco”

  1. 1SF Resident on Mar 4, 2009 at 3:37 pm:

    Thanks for posting about this Zombie. I’ve been seeing them all over the city. Thought it pretty amusing, given the secular nature of this town.

      

  2. 2Eclectic Infidel on Mar 4, 2009 at 3:42 pm:

    Now I know who is responsible for the ads. I’ve seen them before, in fact a number of us Zionists saw the same ad back in early January after walking back from a rally at Civic Center. Several of us wrote it off as the City promoting diversity.

    The gay community won’t make a peep. So long as local clerics and imams aren’t taking to the streets demanding that gays repent for their “sins”, nothing will happen. The hypocrasy is deafening. The cretins from Q.U.I.T. will continue to bash Israel, the only sanctuary for GLBT in the ME, but they won’t challenge the vile anti-homosexual agenda of Islam. It does boggle the mind.

      

  3. 3Mattymatt on Mar 4, 2009 at 3:48 pm:

    I don’t think fear is to blame, just ignorance. A lot of people just don’t know what some Islamic groups have to say about gays … or they don’t want to believe it.

      

  4. 4USBeast on Mar 4, 2009 at 4:03 pm:

    This is really sad. My older brother is gay and clueless and he continues to regard Christians as the greater threat to his lifestyle and security. He, like many on the Left, suffers from “invincible ignorance”. I truly dread the wake-up call.

      

  5. 5Pierre on Mar 4, 2009 at 4:07 pm:

    Geez, people! It’s the white people law #2: “Religions that their parents don’t belong to”. http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/18/2-religions-that-their-parents-dont-belong-to/

      

  6. 6sfresident on Mar 4, 2009 at 4:08 pm:

    its not fear that keeps gay groups silient but apathy and ignorance. everyone in san francisco, stirhgt or gay ignores wahtever bullshit is on the side of muni buses. it doesnt say anything other then the word islam on the side of the buses, so inless they read your blog, why would they know or care what the agenda of the advertiser is?

      

  7. 7spiff on Mar 4, 2009 at 4:23 pm:

    “He reminded his audience that Islam does not accept homosexuality, and he reminded them that people have the choice to make and are mandated by Islam to reject homosexuality.”
    Or we will KILL YOU.
    Any further questions?

      

  8. 8Stone K on Mar 4, 2009 at 4:57 pm:

    I saw this ad (the first pic) on Sunday! I wanted a picture of it, but I was driving and could not stop (The bus was parked in front of SF zoo).

    I was trying to figure out if it was a slash at islam or a promotion of it… Guess you did the leg work for me, thanks =)

    There will be no protests because San Fransisco wants to be “Multi-cultural” (the mark steyn definition) and that would be offensive and wrong… Unless the ad was released by a christian group…

    The one thing that kills me most about the city is the blind hypocrisy.

      

  9. 9Anonymous on Mar 4, 2009 at 5:29 pm:

    I think a much more plausible explanation for the failure of the activist community to act than fear is ignorance; the ignorance may be in large measure a product of ideological blindness, but nonetheless it accounts far better for the inaction than fear. These people have not understood that there is genuine cause for concern.

      

  10. 10Bakunin on Mar 4, 2009 at 5:36 pm:

    It drives me insane that so-called atheists and those on the left save all there rage for Christians and say peep about other religions (or even promote non-western religions like buddhism.) My view, as an atheist and an anarchist, is that all theism is the same: dangerous.
    Recently, where I live, Winnipeg, the bus authority did not allow atheistbus.ca to put up a message saying “theres probably no god, so stop worrying and enjoy yourself”. I wonder if they would have a problem with “SUBMISSION TO GOD” plastered on there buses? Probably.

    Mix this with the U.N. trying to pass a binding resolution outlawing blasphemy under the guise of “tolerance towards islam” and rationalists have a big problem.

      

  11. 11Bakunin on Mar 4, 2009 at 5:37 pm:

    “I wonder if they would have a problem with “SUBMISSION TO GOD” plastered on there buses? Probably.”

    sorry, should say “Probably not”.

      

  12. 12Rob on Mar 4, 2009 at 5:42 pm:

    zombie and others should read up Jamie Glazov’s new book, United in Hate: the Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror. Head over to Pajamas Media for the review of the book: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/romancing-tyranny-and-terror/

    Glazov made an interesting reference to Michel Foucault and his death from AIDS in 1984 in San Francisco: “many leftist homosexuals would follow this pattern of self-hate and a craving for death. This pathological behavior mirrors that of other leftist intellectuals supporting tyrannies that murder intellectuals” — Foucault, for instance, was a vocal admirer of Iran’s Khomeini.”

      

  13. 13redc1c4 on Mar 4, 2009 at 5:48 pm:

    call the number, and let it run…….. let them pay the bill.

    do this long enough, often enough, and they’ll quit running the ads.

    fuck these rock worshiping murderous thugs.

      

  14. 14pat on Mar 4, 2009 at 6:13 pm:

    Gays are queer. Or they misinterpret ‘submission’.

      

  15. 15Anonymous on Mar 4, 2009 at 6:33 pm:

    No, it is fear that keeps the petulant, childish Left quiet about the repressive horror that is Islam. The Left loves to “speak truth to power”, but only if that power is a restrained, rational, responsible and conservative one. That way they know they are safe. If that “power” is one that will decapitate you, burn your car or stab you to death, then the Left will be very, very quiet indeed. They are cowards, petulant children in endless rebellion against their parents ways and beliefs, and they will be the first to submit to the Muslims.

      

  16. 16average_guy on Mar 4, 2009 at 6:38 pm:

    #13 redc1c4: They have plenty of cash, and they get more every time we fill up our tanks. They would just add some more phone lines.

    Wait until they install a mosque with a prayer tower and a call to prayer broadcast from that tower into old SF.

      

  17. 17Janet C on Mar 4, 2009 at 6:44 pm:

    I saw a billboard for this ad campaign about a month ago at Cesar Chavez/Third St. and did look up the url. It was pretty apparent that the sponsoring group is from a very fundamental branch of Islam. I’m afraid my reaction now when I see the ad is to kinda sneer/growl like the Clint Eastwood character in _Gran Torino_. Of course, that reaction is pretty apt for lots of stuff these days…

      

  18. 18Janet C on Mar 4, 2009 at 7:12 pm:

    Oh, and too bad the site http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ can’t run their own campaign countering this one.

      

  19. 19Jim C. on Mar 4, 2009 at 7:22 pm:

    An excerpt from “Notes on Nationalism” by George Orwell. Read the whole thing. It’s available online.

    “But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of western countries.

    “The Russians, unlike the British, are not blamed for defending themselves by warlike means, and indeed all pacifist propaganda of this type avoids mention of Russia or China. It is not claimed, again, that the Indians should abjure violence in their struggle against the British.

    “Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough. After the fall of France, the French pacifists, faced by a real choice which their English colleagues have not had to make, mostly went over to the Nazis, and in England there appears to have been some small overlap of membership between the Peace Pledge Union and the Blackshirts. Pacifist writers have written in praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of Fascism.

    “All in all it is difficult not to feel that pacifism, as it appears among a section of the intelligentsia, is secretly inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty.”

      

  20. 20Anonymous on Mar 4, 2009 at 7:24 pm:

    Islam’s attitude toward homosexuality is not merely rhetorical or theoretical. Al Queda affiliated jihadis (which spring from the same source as CAIR and ISNA) recently took control of a city in Yemen. An article in the Long War Journal explains the background and detail. Here is the relevant passage:

    “In Jahr, Abyan Jihadists declared an Islamic Emirate. Nine homosexuals were gunned down and murdered in broad daylight. Shabwa Press reports “wine drinkers” were severely beaten. Fundamentalists also attached threatening leaflets to homes, condemning certain women.”

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/03/yemen_new_terror_cam.php

    If CAIR and ISNA, sponsors of the bus ads, were to control San Francisco as their ideological brothers do Jahr, the exact same thing would happen in San Francisco.

      

  21. 21Charles on Mar 4, 2009 at 7:49 pm:

    There are multiple factors at play here. For many in S.F. and most of the U.S. Islam is a foreign entity. I’d surmise that most people know very little about Islam which I believe to be a major threat to western civilization. There is no “moderate Islam” though many Muslims may not be too fervent. Islam proscribes homosexuality, equal rights for women, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc., ad infinitum. It is not just a religion; it is a culture, a cult, and a totalitarian political system. Secondly, most people do not have any personal adverse experiences with Islam. Many of the aggressive atheists and secularists have had bad personal experiences with organized religion at some point in their lives and this bitter experience lives on. Hence, there is little personal animus (yet) towards Islam. Thirdly, there seems to be a global anti-western prejudice held by many who reject contemporary U.S. culture, and, to the extent, that the average person knows anything about Islam, it is that Islam opposes western values and culture. Hence, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Thank you, Zombie, for another good photoessay.

      

  22. 22robert randall on Mar 4, 2009 at 8:12 pm:

    A perfect opportunity for the Feminists in San Francisco to stand up against the Islamic treatment of Women.

    Oh wait, what’s that you say, the Feminists are silent on the issue?

    Typical Feminist Hypocrisy and Double Standards.

      

  23. 23paybacktime on Mar 4, 2009 at 9:07 pm:

    Maybe the alternate lifestyle types think of “submission” in a leather fetish master/slave S & M way.

    OOOGA!

      

  24. 24CattusMagnus on Mar 4, 2009 at 10:20 pm:

    I agree with Robert Randall.

      

  25. 25DailySavage on Mar 5, 2009 at 12:28 am:

    OMFG!!!!

    I hope Michael Savage covered this on the Savage Nation last night/tonight since he lives in San Francisco and does his show from there often!

    http://www.michaelsavage.com

      

  26. 26RW on Mar 5, 2009 at 12:37 am:

    Where are the ACLU seperation of church and state crowd? It is quite obvious that this a religious organization using a government/public venue,,,,,oh that’s right, they aren’t Christians. As the “Church Lady” from SNL used to say;

    “Never mind”

      

  27. 27sceneone on Mar 5, 2009 at 3:13 am:

    When these Ads come to my town they will get the “Hichens treatment”.
    Stand or kneel, your choice.

      

  28. 28Chris D on Mar 5, 2009 at 5:26 am:

    What about that whole separation of church and state thing, considering this is public transportation. I mean, wouldn’t the athiests be up in arms if the Catholic church had run a similar ad or any church were running ads on, say, school busses or in text books, etc? Maybe I’m missing something here.

      

  29. 29Anonymous on Mar 5, 2009 at 5:49 am:

    The only thing one needs to remember about Islam can be summed up like this:

    “If you’re a non-believer, Jesus STILL loves you….
    - – allah wants you dead.

    It is quranic fact, and cannot be disputed”.

    Talismen

      

  30. 30Mari on Mar 5, 2009 at 7:10 am:

    How interesting that it is only after Obama is elected that the muslims feel bold enough to do this?

      

  31. 31DangerousNate on Mar 5, 2009 at 7:29 am:

    I agree entirely #3.

      

  32. 32David on Mar 5, 2009 at 7:32 am:

    I particularly liked the poster “Islam– You Deserve to Know.” It begs a response poster with an illustration of the World Trade Center and the caption: “Islam– I already Know Enough.”

      

  33. 33Mario on Mar 5, 2009 at 8:11 am:

    I don’t think it’s fear or ignorance so much as a concept originally propagated in the Middle east – “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” How else could there be such a swamp of cognitive dissonance as Queers for Palestine.

      

  34. 34Sandy Greene on Mar 5, 2009 at 8:27 am:

    This is completely terrible. These people come into our country and pull this type of thing, what would happen to a Christian that went into their country and wanted to put ads on their transportation. I think we all know the answer to that is that the Christian would be brutally murdered. It they want their Sharia Law they can move back to their own countries. Why come to America if you don’t want to live like an American.

      

  35. 35N8 on Mar 5, 2009 at 8:53 am:

    I’ve seen these for a few weeks now, since I’m near the Terminal. If I were more of a troublemaker, I’d seriously consider defacing these or at least point out the blatent irony of these being paraded around SF of all places.
    I’m wondering, where are the “No on Prop. 8″ people? Oh right, they’re too busy hustling up the list of donators. It seems like going after this group would help them conserve/consolidate their resources.

      

  36. 36Pierre Legrand on Mar 5, 2009 at 9:27 am:

    Just to be sure no one is suggesting that these should not be allowed correct? We are just pointing out the hypocracy of it all. Correct?

      

  37. 37zombie on Mar 5, 2009 at 9:35 am:

    #36 Pierre Legrand:

    Do you see anywhere in my post where I suggest the ads shouldn’t be allowed?

    No? Well, then that answers your question.

    I’m merely pointing out the background of the groups who are funding the campaign. And asking why the usually hypersensitive gay activist community has said nothing about ads which one can only assume they find offensive.

    If anything, I’m glad the ads are running, because it gives me an opportunity to expose the true agenda of Islamic extremists and to point out the hypocrisy of their secular apologists.

      

  38. 38Tom on Mar 5, 2009 at 9:38 am:

    I think that we should take a page out of PETA’s tactics and start lobbing red paint filled water balloons at the signs to symbolize all of the people murdered in the name of this “religion”.

    Or, a large red circle and slash sticker to place over the ad.

      

  39. 39Marauder on Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 am:

    Guess who sent Harvey Milk his first serious death threat? Black Muslims, according to the book The Mayor of Castro Street.

      

  40. 40Anonymous on Mar 5, 2009 at 10:28 am:

    Its good you point this out, here in Miami the city is plague with them, even a jewish gentlement came on a local news channel complaining about them.

      

  41. 41Centersane on Mar 5, 2009 at 10:51 am:

    #37zombie

    There is no arguing with the sophisticates in SF. They prooved their lack of understanding (i.e. ignorance) during the last election. They had not a clue that energising the black vote in California in order to elect Barack Obamam meant that at the same time they were giving Prop 8 a much better chance off pasage since black people tend to be conservative on such social issues. Clueless but self righteous.

      

  42. 42Yael on Mar 5, 2009 at 11:48 am:

      

  43. 43gary rose on Mar 5, 2009 at 1:37 pm:

    ONLY THE MUSLIMS WITH THEIR WONDERFULL FULL OF PEACE RELIGION? ALLOWED TO DO THIS I GUESS ITS UNDERSTANDABLE THEIR SO PEACEFUL AND CHEERY. BUT DID I NOT SEE IN IRAN A WHILE BACK A COUPLE HOMOSEXUAL MEN WERE SACRIFICED FOR ALLAH? IF THATS THE CASE SAN FRANCISCO GOOD PLACE TO START IF PERMITTED? MUSLIMS SUCH A PEACEFUL GROUP. AN AMERICAN >>> NOT MUSLIM>>>>> THANK YOU>

      

  44. 44Anonymous on Mar 5, 2009 at 2:26 pm:

    There was a lofge billboard on the New Jersey Turnpike last year for the longest time with they Why Islam theme. It has since been taken down. I suspect that it was because the lease just expired, not because of community outrage or anything.

      

  45. 45Anthony on Mar 5, 2009 at 4:35 pm:

    Good work, Zombie.

      

  46. 46threecoloursblue on Mar 5, 2009 at 6:26 pm:

    God Almighty…. you guys and your ” end of Western Civilisation as we know it ” rubbish. There is about as much chance of Islam affecting radical changes in our society as there is of the Pope scoring the winning goal in the next World Cup. No society falls from anything other than internal contradictions and these will not come from Islamic sources-inthe west, that is.
    What Islam represents is a danger to foreign alliances, the constant threat of terrorism ( itself a total deterrent to conversation ) , an excuse for far-left or far-right western governments to undermine civil and human rights. The latter, while a threat, is not a Doomsday threat by virtue of the fact that we do indeed exist in something approximating a civilisation.
    But hey… if you all can make a buck pedalling fear.. go for it while it lasts.

      

  47. 47zombie on Mar 5, 2009 at 7:09 pm:

    “#46 threecoloursblue
    God Almighty…. you guys and your ” end of Western Civilisation as we know it ” rubbish. There is about as much chance of Islam affecting radical changes in our society as there is of the Pope scoring the winning goal in the next World Cup.”

    For years, people in France and Great Britain had the same attitude as you display in your comment. “Islam? It’s no threat. We have bigger things to worry about.”

    Now look at those countries. Islam and its adherents have become a significant problem for both of them.

    It is not fear-mongering to point out who paid for those bus ads. It is simply reporting the truth.

      

  48. 48average_guy on Mar 5, 2009 at 9:01 pm:

    Zombie:

    Thanks for the continuing outstanding work.

    For threecoloursblue and anyone else to whom it may apply:

    The goal of Islam is a worldwide caliphate i.e the complete domination of the entire world by Islam. No, everyone does not have to convert to Islam; the muslims will benevolently give you the choice of converting or not, and if you do not convert then you can either pay the jizya tax and live as a third class citizen (below the status of a muslim woman)or be murdered in the name of Allah.

      

  49. 49Miina on Mar 5, 2009 at 10:41 pm:

    I am going to apply to ICNA. I respect them, it’s hard to be a muslim in the u.s. People, esp. unhappy ones always want to tell you what to vote on and that’s not cool. Live your gay life style and let us also be happy, the world doesn’t always agree on some things but it also seems like on the homosexual side there is also FEAR–fear of the way ‘believers’ won’t okay their homosexual actions. just because you do them, doesn’t mean i have to be okay with it- YOU have to be okay with it. WHy should I be okay with your homosexual lifestyles and try and change the world – fighting your battles. When you don’t even support ‘my freedom to express my religious beliefs?’ or manner of dressing?
    hypocrisy!

      

  50. 50B. Gunn, East TExas rancher on Mar 6, 2009 at 4:36 am:

    It is important to note that after 9/11 that Muslim clerics criticized Bin Laden, not for the attacks, but for not giving we infidels the chance to CONVERT before they killed 3,000 of our own. The Koran dictates that infidels are to be given the opportunity to convert before execution.

    If I were living in those cities, whose buses had ads, I’d do two things. First, stop riding the buses (targeting buses seems to be one of their methods) and I’d also move out because there is a promise of something akin to a suitcase nuke device coming in the very near future.

    Just a perspective from a military mom

      

  51. 51average_guy on Mar 6, 2009 at 9:41 am:

    Let’s play spot the trolls and Mobys.

      

  52. 52Anonymous on Mar 6, 2009 at 10:09 am:

    Time to print up stickers with “http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/” to plaster over the CAIR address. Then people who want to know more about the cult of mohammed’s pedophiles can read the truth.

      

  53. 53zombie on Mar 6, 2009 at 10:26 am:

    #51 average_guy: “Let’s play spot the trolls and Mobys.”

    Tell me about it. I just deleted two moby comments from people putting on an act. Amateurish.

      

  54. 54Strangelove on Mar 6, 2009 at 12:28 pm:

    Sorry…I don’t believe Muslims should have rights in this country until they publicly declare allegiance to the United States, and that they not only do not support terrorism in any form, but take responsibility for identifying it within their communities and reporting it to police.

    Tolerance is not bestowed. It is earned. And until people of this religion announce loud and clear that they honor the American way FIRST…I have no tolerance for them. They can go live under Diarreah law elsewhere-not here.

    Never forget-our tolerance and timidity is what got 3000 people murdered on 9/11.

      

  55. 55Common Reader on Mar 6, 2009 at 2:30 pm:

    San Francisco is famously amongst the most secular and non-religious cities in the nation

    This is not true. The real San Francisco is extremely churchy. Catholic Charities is a major employer, as are Catholic hospitals. Church attendance in all sects of Christianity is high. I can’t speak for other faiths but they all have large, expensive buildings and use a lot of parking. San Francisco is NOT Seattle or Austin or Portland. It’s barely 50% white, for one thing. Your typical adult SF resident is Chinese, Christian, and goes to church on Sundays.

    And also your typical adult SF resident is too busy working hard to afford to live there to freak out about what’s on the side of the bus. This is too bad, because he should be concerned, but he can’t afford the time.

      

  56. 56Ken on Mar 6, 2009 at 4:22 pm:

    All religions are merely pre-Enlightenment concepts thought up by the peoples of primitive civilizations to explain scientific and biological processes that they didn’t understand. Religion has no place in the 21st century and should have been abandonded centuries ago. These days religion, be it Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or whatever, only serves to breed violence or proliferate ignorance. The world would be such a better place without it.

    That having been said, as an educator, I find Islam and Judaism to be historically and culturally interesting and I enjoy reading about them, though I would never adopt them as my own. I don’t feel the same about Christianity simply because I was raised in the Christian church and know enough about it to not be historically interested in it anymore.

    “Sorry…I don’t believe Muslims should have rights in this country until they publicly declare allegiance to the United States”

    Stupidest comment EVER. Here’s some reading for you, Strangelove:

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

    “Sec 202: All persons shall be entitled to be free, at any establishment or place, from discrimination or segregation of any kind on the grounds of race, color, religion, or national origin…”

    What don’t you bigots get, Strangelove? Equal protection under the law and due process mean just that: EQUAL protection for EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN, regardless of race, color, sex, religion, or national origin (and soon, I hope, to include sexual orientation, as well). The right-wing scum in America have the gall to call we Communists “un-American,” when, really, it’s you extremists who want to trample on the Bill of Rights yourselves.

    “take responsibility for identifying it within their communities and reporting it to police”

    Here’s something else you should read, you neanderthal:

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1129587,00.html

      

  57. 57threecoloursblue on Mar 6, 2009 at 5:43 pm:

    Strangelove…. you’re a fool. Terrorism doesn’t depend on you having any attitude at all. You could be liberal-tolerant or totalitarian and if you are selected for a terrorist attack there’s little you can do about it. Anti-terrorism is a function of law enforcement, not political movements.

      

  58. 58CattusMagnus on Mar 6, 2009 at 6:01 pm:

    Ken: “All religions are merely pre-Enlightenment concepts thought up by the peoples of primitive civilizations to explain scientific and biological processes that they didn’t understand.”

    Tst, tst, tst. I think your argument there is typical of an atheist who is mad at God for not existing. You statement supposes two things: one, that science and a belief in God are incompatable, and, two, that theists take the easy way out by concocting a deity. I see no reason why God and evolution and God and the big bang have to be at odds. Many scientists still believe in God. Einstein, I believe, did. People don’t open the Bible to have plate tectonics or kidney stones explained. Also, I believe that being a theist is much more difficult intellectually than being an atheist (please don’t take that the wrong way). Once you decide that God must exist, then you must wrestle with him. You must consider the problem of evil. You must consider that the holy texts came through the filters of mortal men. You must ask what are the attributes of this God. Theism, if done right, is very thoughtful and mentally challenging.

    That being said, I must agree with you that Strangelove’s comment was tragically stupid.

      

  59. 59Anonymous on Mar 6, 2009 at 11:21 pm:

    Cattus: Einstein believed in a God, sort of. He did NOT believe in a personal God like the one of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. Here are a few quotes from him:

    I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

    I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.

    It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously.

    I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty.

      

  60. 60Anonymous on Mar 6, 2009 at 11:44 pm:

    Cattus: I don’t think Ken’s statement supposes either of the things that you say it does. Ken is just saying, and I agree, that ancient people understood very little about how the world works, so the only explanation they could find for things they did not understand was that some god or gods did it. Your suppositions are applying the modern science-vs-religion debate to those ancient people.

      

  61. 61Ken on Mar 7, 2009 at 3:34 am:

    “I think your argument there is typical of an atheist who is mad at God for not existing. ”

    No, it’s not that at all. I’m not one of those atheists who was once a Christian and suffered some trauma in his life, begged for divine intervention that never came, and took it out on God by rejecting religion. I was once a Christian when I was younger, but came to realize that it was ridiculous to put my faith in something I had no proof had ever even existed. Why wasn’t I worshipping the Easter Bunny? There was about as much proof of his existence as there was of God’s, but, for some reason, it was ridiculous to worship one but perfectly acceptable to worship the other. That seemed non-sensical to me.

    “You statement supposes two things: one, that science and a belief in God are incompatable, and, two, that theists take the easy way out by concocting a deity.”

    In my personal view, at least, science and religion are mutually exclusive and totally incompatible. I don’t want to open up a can of worms here, but if you base your world view on the scientific process, making judgements and conclusions based on facts and evidence, you should be consistent with that. The existence of a God can’t even be tested let alone proven. Why use science to explain one sphere of your life but not another? And, cmon, you can’t deny that all of the major religions today are the products of primitive civilizations. They served a purpose at that time but don’t now. So why do we still use them? We don’t use kerosene lamps or carrier pigeons anymore because they were made obsolete by improvements in technology. The same is true for religion: we now know quite a bit about how the world works, thus the old explanations are no longer needed. Religion is an anachronism and should be treated as other anachronisms have been.

    “People don’t open the Bible to have plate tectonics or kidney stones explained.”

    Then what purpose does it serve? To teach us morality? I don’t have to be a Christian or Jew or Muslim to learn morality, merely a human. To calm us in time of anxiety by assuring us that something better is waiting after death? Ok, perhaps, but in that case religion becomes nothing more than an addictiive drug to numb the brain. People deserve better than that, I think. They deserve the closest possible answer to their question. That answer, however, probably will NOT be found in the Bible or Koran. Regardless, if one chooses to follow a religion that’s one’s own business. Just keep it to yourself.

    “Theism, if done right, is very thoughtful and mentally challenging.”

    That’s probably true. Again, though, it seems non-sensical to me. Why put yourself through an unnecessary moral dilemma?

      

  62. 62Muslim-Girl on Mar 8, 2009 at 1:13 am:

    Wow, now I’m really depressed after reading the negative comments and visiting some of the websites above. The world is becoming more and more polarized and radicalism of any form scares me… We all need to be able to see one another’s points of view, otherwise it becomes easy to demonize the ‘other’.

    As a practicing Muslim, I have never been one to push Islam on people, so I’ll be the first to admit these bus ads are a bad idea, but aren’t we going a little too far to criticize a billion people for one organization wasting their money on these ads? When have two people, let alone a billion ever agreed on anything? In the Muslim community, we do not all condemn homosexuality – most of the Muslims I know don’t think too much about the issue, and when it came time to vote on Prop 8 I would say it was equality split between the Yes’s, No’s and Not voting.

    Peace, love and understanding to everyone.

      

  63. 63Kun on Mar 8, 2009 at 5:56 pm:

    Hey Ken, did you know that if you were to bring your atheism (not to mention the CPUSA itself) into any sort of poverty-stricken area that you’d be utterly ignored? As any basic communist should know, religion in itself is not the enemy. It is used for the purposes of reaction but also can be used for progressive means. When you shun religion you by default shut off all proletarians. By focusing on religion you are negating class struggle, which is at the heart of every communist. You should know very well that the structure (the economic base) affects the superstructure (culture, etc.), therefore the cliché rants against religion are worthless.

      

  64. 64Newbie on Mar 8, 2009 at 5:58 pm:

    Not only are the ads unsettling to me, but today when I looked out my window, I saw another bus with an ad for Emirates Air. I was feeling a bit disoriented between that and another bus passing by with the “Why Islam?” ad.

      

  65. 65Anonymous on Mar 8, 2009 at 7:56 pm:

    It’s the Gay Community Ignorance pure and simple. If you were to poll The Castro on the religion most tolerant to the LGBT comminty I gurantee you Islam would rank near the top.

    The LEBT community thinks We hate Bush/Conservatives, Muslims hate Bush/Conservatives (we see them at the anti-war rallies) therefore Muslims must love us…

    Laugh all you want but that logic exisits in The Castro….

      

  66. 66Ken on Mar 9, 2009 at 2:29 am:

    “did you know that if you were to bring your atheism (not to mention the CPUSA itself) into any sort of poverty-stricken area that you’d be utterly ignored?”

    Of course, which is why I never brought up my personal religious views when I was leafleting or recruiting members into our party in the past (I live abroad now). My own atheistic views are not, in any way, shape, or form, the official views of the CP-USA, merely my own. Am I not entitled to them? Have a look at the FAQ:

    http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511/#question18

    “not to mention the CPUSA itself”

    What a joke. Our party is the oldest, most experienced, most successful communist party in the US, and (even now) our numbers far outweigh those of any other communist or socialist party in America, including the ISO or the RCP. We’ve done far more for socialism in American than Bob Avakian or anyone else ever has. What party do you belong to, Kun, and why do you have such an enormous chip on your shoulder?

    “cliché rants against religion are worthless”

    I wasn’t expecting to find any potential Communist Party-USA members on Zombie’s blog, only saying what I personally feel. Do you not grasp the fact that these are PERSONAL views and not the “holy writ” (how ironic) of the Party itself?

      

  67. 67Charlos on Mar 9, 2009 at 4:20 pm:

    I saw this, I first thought god that design sucks, then I thought wtf.

      

  68. 68CattusMagnus on Mar 9, 2009 at 4:58 pm:

    “We don’t use kerosene lamps or carrier pigeons anymore because they were made obsolete by improvements in technology. The same is true for religion: we now know quite a bit about how the world works, thus the old explanations are no longer needed.” Ah, but unlike kerosene lamps and carrier pigeons, religion is still here. People were debating the existence of God before the computer or the telescope or the chariot. I’m certain cavemen pondered this whilst eating a mammoth shank.

    “The existence of a God can’t even be tested let alone proven.” But can it be disproven?

    “To calm us in time of anxiety by assuring us that something better is waiting after death? Ok, perhaps, but in that case religion becomes nothing more than an addictiive drug to numb the brain.” This is what I was getting at before: the whole “religion is the easy way out” kind of thing. Sure, there are people who say, “I accepted Jesus! I’m going to heaven! End of story!” Which, I think, is not an addictive drug but philisophical lazziness. But I think it’s equally as lazy to say, “God hasn’t manifested himself in the way I’d like so therefore he doesn’t exist.” So yes, some theists use God as a crutch but there are just as many atheists taking the easy way out.

    On a different note, science as well as religion requires leaps of faith. I believe black holes exist. Why do I believe black holes exist? Because from what I know of the theory of relativity, black holes seem plausible. I’ve never seen one. I’ve only read about them in books and been lectured about them in college. Until I can get sucked into a black hole and see what it’s all about, I must have faith in the observations of the universe that black holes exist.

      

  69. 69Kun on Mar 10, 2009 at 2:12 am:

    @Ken:
    “Our party is the oldest, most experienced, most successful communist party in the US, and (even now) our numbers far outweigh those of any other communist or socialist party in America, including the ISO or the RCP.”

    You could be more popular than the two current parties right now and it’d be irrelevant to socialism if your line is “revolution’s outdated, support the Democrats!”

    “We’ve done far more for socialism in American than Bob Avakian or anyone else ever has.”

    The CPUSA at one point was a strong force, but then a myriad of idiotic pro-Soviet lines followed post-1950′s which caused the party to lose any sort of following, especially after the USSR fell. And I do not care for Avakian, though at least the RCPUSA had some street presence in the early 90′s.

    “Do you not grasp the fact that these are PERSONAL views and not the ‘holy writ’ (how ironic) of the Party itself?”

    I understand they’re personal (I’m sure most CPUSA types are smart enough to realize that open atheism is suicidal to their popularity) but they’re still wrong, and I just wanted to point them out.

    “I wasn’t expecting to find any potential Communist Party-USA members on Zombie’s blog”

    I expected to find some ‘leftists’ like “Bakunin” (well-named considering the real Bakunin’s racism) to hang around here.

    “why do you have such an enormous chip on your shoulder?”

    Because when you start speaking for all Communists it gets a tad humorous considering the history of the CPUSA.

      

  70. 70Anonymous on Mar 10, 2009 at 10:53 am:

    This is a paid ad on public transportation and as such it has nothing to do with separation of church and state – just another commercial message from another group marketing a product – religion. All those various groups of religious myth keepers that don’t like the ad for Islam should immediately take out their own ad in behalf of their scientifically unfounded, and self-annihilating belief systems to counter this one for the same thing. Islam like all religions simply needs to be met head on with rational, logical and scientific thought. You can’t prove that a god doesn’t exist, but you certainly can prove that a god doesn’t exist according to any religions precepts and descriptions of their god – especially those that are thousands of years old and claim a perfect god. Make them show that their god can be observed working as their religion describes their god. None can make that claim logically. Logic and science destroys the myths of Christianity, Judaism and it will do the same with their cousin Islam. So much ignorance and over so little substance – that is why religion persists – fear and ignorance.

      

  71. 71Ken on Mar 10, 2009 at 2:37 pm:

    “revolution’s outdated, support the Democrats!”

    I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say “revolution is outdated,” though the support our party gives the Democrats does bother me a little. However, there is a healthy debate about it internally and it is a common topic among members (although I haven’t been to a Party branch meeting in years). Ideas about it are channelled in, we discuss them, and then vote on them, but after the vote is taken we’re all expected to follow party discipline and support the motion that was voted for. It’s called Democratic Centralism, ever heard of it?

    “but they’re still wrong”

    And you’re qualified to judge whether an individual’s views are wrong or not?

    “a myriad of idiotic pro-Soviet lines followed post-1950’s which caused the party to lose any sort of following”

    Unfortunately that is true. But we should examine things in a dialectical manner and move ahead while learning from past mistakes.

      

  72. 72Kun on Mar 10, 2009 at 10:33 pm:

    “Ideas about it are channelled in, we discuss them, and then vote on them, but after the vote is taken we’re all expected to follow party discipline and support the motion that was voted for. It’s called Democratic Centralism, ever heard of it?”

    Democratic Centralism does not mean a policy is good. It, too, was democratic centralism when Khrushchev said the following:

    “Our Marxist-Leninist Party, which arose as a party of the working class, has become the Party of the entire people”.
    (N.S. Khrushchov: Report on the Programme of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, 22nd. Congress CPSU; London; 1961; p. 90).

    “In our country, for the first time in history, a State has taken shape which is not a dictatorship of any one class, but an instrument of society as a whole, of the entire people…
    The dictatorship of the proletariat is no longer necessary”.
    (N.S. Khrushchov: Report on the Programme of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, 22nd. Congress CPSU; London; 1961; p. 57, 58).

    “I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say ‘revolution is outdated,’”

    I do. When you tell people to vote Democrat in a battle against the “ultra-right” (even though Nazism came from Social Democracy and “ultra-right” isn’t a class) that is essentially what it amounts too and the fact that the CPUSA hides it behind “things change” means nothing.

    “Unfortunately that is true. But we should examine things in a dialectical manner and move ahead while learning from past mistakes.”

    Except some issues, like Afghanistan, are quite important even today. Was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan justified, Ken?

      

  73. 73muhammad cat on Mar 12, 2009 at 7:26 am:

    Great essay. I agree w/ whoever said these ads need the “Hitchens treatment”. Sharpie makes some pens with nice BIG chisel points these days…

    (BTW- Why does every post lately end up with the comments section degenerating into a commie fight? (South Park reference there for those who can spot it…)

      

  74. 74Ken on Mar 12, 2009 at 3:06 pm:

    “Democratic Centralism does not mean a policy is good.”

    You’re right. Again, when viewing things from the dialectical materialist concept of history, we accept the fact that no policy or specific party will ever be perfect. Democratic Centralism is, however, a necessary concept and it needs to be adhered to. If that troubles you I would suggest a simple solution: don’t join a Leninist party. As for Kruschev’s quotes, he seems to understand, as Lenin did, something that you don’t grasp: that the actual application of Communism in real-life (they used to call it “really existing socialism”) will differ in many ways from what Marx wrote due to the specific conditions existing in that particular country’s “historical epoch.” The dictatorship of the proletariat was no longer needed in Russia because the reactionary classes had largely been suppressed, just like a violent revolution is not necessary for socialism in present-day America. Dare I say that CPUSA members know what will bring socialism to 21st century America better than a German who has been dead 100 years? We look to Marx, Engels, and Lenin for theoretical and philosophical knowledge, but the actual practice of building the movement in our own country has to be based on our own knowledge of the conditions in said country.

    “When you tell people to vote Democrat in a battle against the ‘ultra-right’ that is essentially what it amounts too”

    Hardly. It’s merely a tactical maneuver based on the existing conditions in the US at the moment. What would you have us do, exactly? Follow a revolutionary course of action incompatible with the concrete conditions of present-day America, one that would alienate just about everyone in the country…in a country where people already loathe communists and consider us anti-democratic dictators-in-training? You’re smart enough to understand that an anti-religious platform would alienate many potential supporters, but you’re naive enough to think they’d line up for some kind of chaotic revolution because Marx said they should? Please. Americans wont accept anything less than “Bill of Rights Socialism.” I’m not advocating “American Exceptionalism” or anything, merely trying to make you see that you can still be a Marxist while working outside of stereotypical “Communist” institutions if your country’s “historical epoch” calls for it. Marx, Engels, and Lenin were mere humans, they were imperfect, they did not know everything, sometimes they got things wrong, I have no problem admitting that.

    “Was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan justified, Ken?”

    Frankly, I don’t care if it was or not. I joined the CP-USA not the Communist Party of Afghanistan. Therefore, I was mostly concerned with building Communism in the US, not pontificating arrogantly about whether or not certain historical events were justified. If you’d like to know something about that conflict I suggest you ask a veteran of either side, not me. Although we draw inspiration or learn cautionary examples from other historical events in the communist movement, and although the Afghan War is now particularly important given what’s happening in the world now, it was never as important to me as trying to build socialism, by any means, in my own country.

      

  75. 75Kun on Mar 12, 2009 at 10:36 pm:

    “As for Kruschev’s quotes, he seems to understand, as Lenin did, something that you don’t grasp: that the actual application of Communism in real-life (they used to call it ‘really existing socialism’) will differ in many ways from what Marx wrote due to the specific conditions existing in that particular country’s ‘historical epoch.’”

    So basically you can justify just about any sort of revisionism thanks to adapting to a countries’ “historical epoch.” I’m pretty sure that historical epoch didn’t mean a Communist Party repudiating Proletarian Dictatorship. Let’s go to Lenin for clarification:

    “It is a truth long known to every Marxist that in every capitalist society the only decisive forces are the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, while all social elements occupying a position midway between these classes and coming within the economic category of the petty bourgeoisie inevitably vacillate between these decisive forces”.
    (V.I. Lenin: “Valuable Admissions By Pitirim Sorokin”, in “Selected Works”, Volume 8; London; 1943; p. 145).

    “The Soviets are the Russian form of the proletarian dictatorship”.
    (V.I. Lenin: “The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky”, in; “Selected Works”, Volume 7; London; 1946; p. 145).

    “The bourgeoisie finds it advantageous and necessary to conceal the bourgeois character of modern democracy from the people and to depict it as democracy in general, or as ‘pure democracy’…
    The bourgeoisie is obliged to be hypocritical and to describe the (bourgeois) democratic government as ‘popular government’, or democracy in general or pure democracy, when as a matter of fact it is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the dictatorship of the exploiters over the mass of the toilers”.
    (V.I. Lenin: “Democracy’ and Dictatorship”, in: ibid.; p. 219, 220).

    “The dictatorship of the proletariat was no longer needed in Russia because the reactionary classes had largely been suppressed, just like a violent revolution is not necessary for socialism in present-day America.”

    That’s not how Proletarian Dictatorship works. Every state is a class dictatorship, whether it be bourgeoisie or proletarian.

    “The state is an organ of class rule”.
    (V.I. Lenin: “The State and Revolution”, in: “Selected Works”, Volume 7; London; 1946; p. 9, 11).

    “The Party is the General Staff of the proletariat…
    The Party is the organised detachment of the working class…
    The Party is the highest form of class organisation of the proletariat…
    The Party is an instrument of the dictatorship of the proletariat”.
    (J.V. Stalin; “The Foundations of Leninism”, in: “Works”, Volume 6; Moscow; 1953; p. 179, 181, 186, 188-9).

    Your line is similar to the Chinese, which basically amounts too “we’re socialists because we are and so is our state.” This, of course, resulted in the Chinese embracing capitalism but hey, the CPUSA has plenty of pro-Chinese types in it. I must say though, the Proletarian Dictatorship was certainly needed in Hungary and Czechoslovakia from the looks of it. Romania, Poland, and Bulgaria too! Hell, even the Soviet Union itself needed some Proletarian Dictatorship! Instead Khrushchev proclaimed that “all people” (read: different classes) were welcome in the USSR.

    “We look to Marx, Engels, and Lenin for theoretical and philosophical knowledge, but the actual practice of building the movement in our own country has to be based on our own knowledge of the conditions in said country.”

    Albania did that quite well and it had probably the most socialist economy the world had seen.

    “It’s merely a tactical maneuver based on the existing conditions in the US at the moment. What would you have us do, exactly? Follow a revolutionary course of action incompatible with the concrete conditions of present-day America, one that would alienate just about everyone in the country…in a country where people already loathe communists and consider us anti-democratic dictators-in-training?”

    No actually I was talking about how there is no “ultra-right” to struggle against vis-à-vis the goal of attaining socialism. Let’s quote Hoxha for a moment:

    “Let us dwell even briefly on the activity of the French Socialist Party and its leader Guy Mollet, who has more than once taken part in and even headed the French government, and whom the revisionists consider a left-wing element and conduct hearty talks with. When at the head of the government, the French socialists set the dogs loose on workers on strike, incited the outbreak of the dirty war in Indo-China, undertook police repressions against the people of other colonies, carried on the fighting against the Algerian people with more ferocity, approved the North Atlantic Pact and the re-arming of Western Germany.”
    http://marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/revisionists.htm

    “Frankly, I don’t care if it was or not. I joined the CP-USA not the Communist Party of Afghanistan. Therefore, I was mostly concerned with building Communism in the US, not pontificating arrogantly about whether or not certain historical events were justified.”

    It is important because it was an oppressed nation fighting against an imperialist invasion by the Soviet Union while the CPUSA parroted the Moscow line and said “Soviets are modernizing Afghanistan!” Meanwhile, the Spartactists (the Trotskyist sect) praised the Soviet invasion and literally argued that Afghan workers who were repairing Soviet tanks constituted efforts to “modernize Afghanistan and create a proletariat for further progress.” I’d say it’s important because it shows us your attitude towards what constitutes imperialism and how to treat these sort of states, which is relevant to us discussing religion.

      

  76. 76Sam on Mar 13, 2009 at 5:56 pm:

    Honestly, I think people on here are getting a little worked up over all of this.

    As a gay guy in SF, I can honestly say that I don’t think gays are purposely ignoring these ads. It’s not that we hate Christian homophobes but embrace Islamic homophobes. It’s just that…

    The ads really suck. I mean, they’re tacky, outdated and look like they belong in a magazine for old folks. Same reason the billboards for Catholic radio all over the City don’t have me in a huff. If one person converts to Islam over this, I’ll be very surprised.

    Anyway, thanks for the awesome work on everything Zombietime, love your site!

      

  77. 77George on Mar 21, 2009 at 1:30 pm:

    When I saw those ads on the side of the bus, I took advantage of my first amendment freedom and spit in the street.

    Islam is not a religion in the way that Westerners think of religion, a set of beliefs and customs and morals held by a community. Islam is essentially a theocracy and so it is essentially political. It knows nothing of the separation of Church and State, of Jesus’ saying “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s.” The law of Allah as revealed through Muhammad is meant to govern all of life, for all people in an Islamic state.

    Sure there are nice Muslims, etc. But they are not significant. And they never stand up in any numbers and disavow or attack fellow Muslims who praise terrorism or call for the death penalty for gays. A nice quiet Muslim is worthless. Anywhere in the West where Muslims have become any kind of a demographic or political force (with the exception of Kosovo), who leads them, who speaks for them? Not the nice Muslims,who are cowed into silence. The Jihad Muslims are the leaders.

      

  78. 78Mr. Growbo on Mar 21, 2009 at 11:22 pm:

    I think the primary driver of this self-evident inconsistency is very simple: race. AG Holder was spot on when he said America is afraid to talk about race, although for reasons very different than what he was implying. It boils down to a simple equation: white skin bad, brown skin good. The progressives in SF won’t criticize Islam because it’s a religion of primarily brown-skinned, 3rd world people. These people are by definition Good. So to criticize Islam is fundamentally about race in their eyes.

    Irshad Manji said it herself, when she speaks at universities, professors will pull her aside and privately thank her for saying what she does. They then tell her they could never say the same thing because they would be called racist.

    Brown skin good, white skin bad.

    How else do you explain a group like Queers for Palestine? When real queers IN Palestine escape to Israel so they aren’t thrown in jail or thrown off a building. Unless there really is a suicidal undercurrent in the progressive movement.

      

  79. 79Mr. Growbo on Mar 23, 2009 at 5:29 pm:

    Here’s more evidence that the reason the Left almost embraces the very conservative religion of Islam is due to their world view being based primarily on race (and communism), just stumbled on this blog today:

    http://planetgrenada.blogspot.com/2009/03/islam-is-gaining-foothold-in-chiapas.html

    “Islam is at the heart of an emerging global anti-hegemonic culture that combines diasporic and local cultural elements, and blends Arab, Islamic, black and Hispanic factors to generate “a revolutionary black, Asian and Hispanic globalization, with its own dynamic counter-modernity constructed in order to fight global imperialism.”

    In other words, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And if you attack Islam, you’re a racist. White skin bad, brown skin good. That’s the depth of their logic.

      

  80. 80whatever on Mar 31, 2009 at 7:38 am:

    who cares?

      

  81. 81Bob Smith on Apr 2, 2009 at 5:58 pm:

    Islam is a death cult, powered by religious fanatics who will kill in order to force compliance to their god.

    Islam is Arab religious imperialism. Pray in Arabic. Bow to Mecca.

    Leftists and other Islamic appologists are fools – only concerned with being “anti” western. (Never constructive)

    Gays and feminists – come to grips with Islam – before it is too late. Look at Muslim countries – no gays – and lots of burkas.

    Tell me again “it’s just another religion.”

      

  82. 82Frank on Apr 3, 2009 at 4:23 pm:

    Why are they targeting cities such as San Fransisco and New York, the liberal epicenters? Well, it’s all about using them to gain traction and control. Once they gain control using the useful idiots, they will simply kill them. Check out this video of a former KGB officer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L92JyX0MIUE

    Watch the other video’s with him and he explains exactly how they use the useful idiots.

      

  83. 83Christine on Apr 5, 2009 at 6:49 am:

    Islam is submission to the devil. Islam is submission to Satan. Islam is submission to Lucifer. Islam is submission to the enemy of life and the true Creator of this Universe. It creeps me out that this garbage is lie is on buses anywhere in the world. Islam is an outlaw religion, a deception so foul that has cost the lives of millions. Its paradise is a brothel for murderers. Where do these morons think 72 virgins would come from? What is their image of the Lord that they think he would reward them with a paradise that sounds like torture for the women involved? I cannot even find words strong enough to express my contempt for the stupidity of muslims that they do not recognize their god is evil, barbaric, and has all the characteristics of the evil one. He supposedly will reward them with centures of fornication for dying while killing innocent men, women and children. This is a ‘god’ to be despised and thrown over, and the fact that muslims think god is actually like this, shows how deceived and morally bankrupt their religion has made them.

    A young woman is raped by half a dozen village elders. She is stoned to death buried in sand up to her neck. These middle aged dog vomit elders go free. A woman tries to leave her abusive husband, a man who has for 20 years tried to convince us that muslims are not so bad: he decapitates her at the studio where he has spread these messages of ‘muslim niceness’ for decades. And guess what, the rest of american muslims are so clueless that they don’t see how disgusting a religion is that sanctions this vile demonic behavior. A 78 year old woman is beaten because two young men visited her home to bring her bread. At least this time these two young do gooders are beaten as well, showing that in the Islamic religion, rape of a 13 year old won’t get you punished, but if you deliver bread to a widow, by golly you got it coming.

    I hate this religion with a passionate intensity. Every time any of our leaders calls this a respected religion, they are giving credence to a lie from hell. Sharia Law? If you foolish people want Sharia, moved to an arab country. We are fools if we let this violent and evil religion take root in America. Anyone is welcome here if they honor the freedom and safety of other Americans, but those who move here only to infiltrate and destroy us should be put on a boat and sent back to the arab prisons. I hate them the most for thinking there would anywhere be a god who wants them to convert us or kill us. What makes them think this al-ilah mood god had any thing to do with creating this world? The Creator who made all by the word of his power is holy, and righteous, and any jihadist who dies murdering others goes straight to hell, where there are NO virgins, NO light, NO mercy, and NO future.

      

  84. 84Scott on Apr 6, 2009 at 6:57 pm:

    Many of you think that SF gays and lesbians don’t know that Islam is (probably correctly) interpreted by many as homophobic. I disagree. Unlike many on the unhinged right, we know that the threat of Islam/Sharia law being implemented here is a big fat zero, no reason to be alarmed. I deplore the religious killings of gays in Turkey, Iran, Iran and other places in the middle east, as well as family “honor killings” These bus ads are comical and not effective, so not alarming. On the other hand, I know that Christianity (as interpreted by most Americans) is virulently homophobic. That has much deeper consequences than Islam’s homophobia in the US. I’ve seen the religious anti-gay billboards throughout the south, seen the influence of Mormons on Prop 8, and seen a lot of ugly, effective anti-gay Christian church rhetoric in multiple political campaigns. Having seen all of this, I can tell you that Islam bus ads in San Francisco are the least of religious threats facing gays in the US.

      

  85. 85Scott on Apr 6, 2009 at 9:02 pm:

    And when Islam is used to justify homophobia, San Francisco gays DO protest it. See “Iraq’s Gay Killings Condemned in San Francisco; Fox, CBS Locals Send Crews” http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2009/04/iraqs-gay-killings-condemned-in-san.html

      

  86. 86Steven on Apr 7, 2009 at 2:33 pm:

    “How to Convert to Islam and Become a Muslim”. Is converting to any other religion than so-called islam very illegal and should be punished by death or jail while it’s legal to convert to islam??? Sound like bloody hypocrite!! I know the muslims includes CAIR and ICNA keep silent on that at the same time while they claims “islam is religion of peace and tolerance”.

      

  87. 87Honorary Yooper on Apr 14, 2009 at 1:57 pm:

    This same group just put up a billboard last week on I-55, in Darien, Illinois, outside Chicago. They actually put their name on it in pale yellow, against the slightly darker background, as if they did not want people to see it was put up by the ICNA.

      

  88. 88Anonymous on Apr 28, 2009 at 5:34 pm:

    I can understand the point of view of a christian cosidering the US as a cristian country although officially it is not. A christian person is afraid that such ads might affect christians and lead them to convert to Islam, since the 2 religions share believing in one god. So, mainly, converting would be a matter of changing rules. However what i can’t grasp is why athiests are so mad at this? They don’t care about any religion, they don’t beieve in God in the first place. I wonder if there is a christian ad or let’s say a catholic ad, are athiests going to protest against that? Well, if they do then they want to change this country to an athiest one; erasing any thing that would relate to religions especially monothiestic ones. But if they are not going to protest then their position is a dicrimination against Islam only!!!

      

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  90. 90enluch on May 26, 2009 at 12:46 pm:

    Many point out that Islam is as discriminatory as Christianity is to homosexuality while, inadvertently, they don’t realize that they are equating one bigotry with another and admitting to it. The question is not why such ad does not stir much controversy but rather speaks to the fact that the dominance religion of the land is indeed Christianity. Therefore, a major threat should be expected to come from Christian groups rather than misery Muslim activists. If the dominant creed of the land was Islam and people would have been impacted by its principles, then I am sure, the people of the SF would raise their contempt for such display of advertisement on a public transportation machine. And finally, the minority groups usually huddle under the same umbrella when they are ostracized — no matter how diametrically oppose their ideologies are.

      

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