My latest photo essay examines a new cultural fad — the SlutWalk movement:

Deconstructing SlutWalk

(Also cross-posted at PajamasMedia.)

And always remember:

Unwanted Exposure to Scrotum Is Never OK!

101 Responses to “Unwanted Exposure to Scrotum Is Never OK: Deconstructing SlutWalk”

  1. 1mike on Aug 9, 2011 at 11:30 am:

    I’m with you Zomb. Huge WTF?
    I almost wonder if they (Libbys/Progressives) just make sh*t up so they can protest.

  2. 2Book on Aug 9, 2011 at 12:09 pm:

    I want to know why unwanted scrotum isn’t ok, but unwanted boobs and vaginas are? Do we HAVE to see this walking down the street??

  3. 3zombie on Aug 9, 2011 at 12:48 pm:


    I don’t “almost wonder” if they just make sh*t up: I know it for a fact!

    That actually was one the points of my essay: That they just come up with these random “no way to disagree” trivial issues so that they can then parade around and make a bunch of unrelated commie demands. Standard operating procedure.

  4. 4Protestshooter on Aug 9, 2011 at 2:26 pm:

    Nice to see Frank Chu there in the background.

  5. 5zombie on Aug 9, 2011 at 2:33 pm:

    Is Frank Chu ever not in the background?

    You have the same experience as I, most likely: It’s often difficult to take a picture in San Francisco without Frank Chu putting himself in the frame some way or another.

  6. 6Avery on Aug 9, 2011 at 4:13 pm:

    “Slut” doesn’t mean you have sex a lot. Or that you have sex at all! It doesn’t mean anything! But that doesn’t mean you can call people sluts. I’m a slut! But don’t call me one! Er, I’m not a slut, actually! Anyway, the point is, rape is bad. Were you trying to say rape is good? yeah i thought so

  7. 7Jack Donovan on Aug 9, 2011 at 6:10 pm:

    Long-time listener, first time caller: This post is excellent. I messed around with these dumb girls in my neck of the woods as well:

    They are tone-deaf beyond belief. I love that one actually told me to ” suck my tranny cock, and shuve it down your jerk face asshole. kisses. hope you like the taste of my meat.” Classic.

  8. 8Scott on Aug 9, 2011 at 6:30 pm:

    I am looking forward to visiting the land of fruits and nuts and slutwalks in a couple of months…maybe I can get a gander at some pointless marches like this one. I once had an argument with a female coworker about the role of the female in a gang rape…there was a court case in the late 1980s in the south where a woman was drunk, in a honkey tonk bar, dressed as a slut (I believe she had fishnet pants and nothing else on) whose rapists were acquitted of charges because she was “looking for it”. I disagreed with the verdict (rape is rape…despite what Whoopie Goldberg says) but pointed out that the woman had a role to play in that rape, and she should not have been surprised. Well, needless to say this coworker of mine turned on me faster than OJ did on Nicole Brown. There was HELL to pay for even SUGGESTING that the drunk, stupid, provacatively dressed woman in a honkey tonk with lots of rough, drunk, horney men would have a glove placed on her person for a milisecond! Mind you, I didn’t suggest that she was asking for it, I said she had a responsibility to dress appropriately and act with restraint in that particular environment.

    I meekly drew up an example of a well dressed man walking down a dark alley in a bad section of town getting mugged…that the crime of assault and robbery was absolutely committed, but that the man had a responsibility to ensure that he stayed out of harm’s way in order to defend himself and keep from being robbed.

    It didn’t wash. Frankly, Zombie, I think your solution is the best for any scenario. Be armed at all times to ensure your own defense. Responsibility…doesn’t seem to resonate with this crowd, does it?

  9. 9vanderleun on Aug 9, 2011 at 7:55 pm:

    I suppose sending in an order for a carpet bombing is out of the question, right?

  10. 10Thorne on Aug 9, 2011 at 10:06 pm:

    I was thinking water cannons myself…Some of them honestly look like they needed to be scrubbed down with soap and then hosed off…

  11. 11SentWest on Aug 10, 2011 at 9:49 am:

    I was almost burned at the stake 8 years ago in college for disagreeing with this sort.

    I am a female, and consider myself a feminist in the old-school way. That is, I believe that women should have equal rights under the law, and a firm place at the starting gate. Equality of choice, rather than a particular equality of outcome. I think in this country we’ve most definitely reached this position. Any more pushing the envelope becomes retribution rather than balancing.

    Now, I believe that movements like the one your subjects are participating in soft-sell women. They build a framework for discrimination based on low expectations. Women are strong, smart, and capable, and absolutely able to manage risk by taking a realistic examination of the world. These nonsense peddlers seem to want women to be butterfly-brained Eloi, engaging in every pleasure and being shocked when some of those pleasures are provided by Morlocks, who ask a high price.

    Without the moral courage to look at how the actions of victims have led to their situation, we have no way to help others protect themselves from meeting the same horrible consequence. They are fighting against common sense, and they are incredibly dangerous, to themselves and to others who believe their irresponsible tripe.

  12. 12hoosiertoo on Aug 10, 2011 at 1:11 pm:

    Carpet bombing… Heh.

  13. 13John on Aug 11, 2011 at 7:42 am:

  14. 14Spokker on Aug 11, 2011 at 3:22 pm:

    The Asian girl holding up the double standard sign was pretty cute in that nerdy Asian girl sort of way. That’s the kind I went for in high school.

  15. 15Slobyskya Rotchikokov on Aug 11, 2011 at 9:02 pm:

    Has no one yet pointed out that – at least historically – a ‘slut’ was the same as a ‘slattern’, which merely referred to a char-woman, a poor soul whose lowly estate in life and lack of education inclined her to a career limited to cleaning floors, scrubbing pots, carrying out fireplace ash and soot, and other unpleasant chores? It had nothing to do with sexuality. The word was sometimes used with a crude wink, to imply that a woman who was poor and accustomed to such jobs might also be a person of easy virtue, much like one would today use the word ‘democrat’, but the actual word meant nothing more or less than a lower class laboring woman.
    Most of these women in your pictures, however, are far too hideous, repugnant and totally lacking in class, to be allowed to scrub my toilet. And certainly they would not be sufficiently we–mannered or well-bred to deserve a glimpse of my scrotum under any circimstances.

  16. 16Sailorcurt on Aug 12, 2011 at 4:50 am:

    So, if a Police Officer, in the process of investigating a rape claim, asks questions to ensure that the rape claim is legitimate rather than one of the many well-documented cases of women falsely claiming rape for any of a myriad of reasons, he’s “blaming the victim”?

    I guess the cops are the enemy, because they’re job is actually getting to the truth, not just mindlessly arresting every man that any woman has ever cast an accusation at.

    Rape is, indeed, a vile act which should be punished severely (more severely than it is in most cases in my opinion).

    A false accusation of rape is an equally vile act which should be punished equally severely.

  17. 17Sailorcurt on Aug 12, 2011 at 4:52 am:

    because they’re job is actually getting to the truth

    Sorry, didn’t proof-read well enough. Improper grammar. Replace “they’re” with “their”.

  18. 18tonysprout on Aug 12, 2011 at 8:43 am:

    “SlutWalkers will usually point out that in rape trials, the victim is sometimes humiliated, as the rapist’s lawyer will try to slander the victim’s reputation as a way of exculpating his client. ”

    “Well, sure, that happens…”

    No, it doesn’t happen. Ever hear of Rape Shield laws? NOTHING about the woman’s apparel or previous sex history is allowed in court. Also, a woman cannot be given any kind of blood or alcohol test when she shows up at the emergency room for a rape exam. Crystal Mangum, in NC (Duke Rape Case) knew this. She was on probation for stealing a taxi. After the Duke party she was apprehended by the cops. Since she was on drugs at the time, her only out was to say she was raped. State law FORBID the cops from testing her.

  19. 19Gord on Aug 12, 2011 at 11:06 am:

    Regarding the comment about the protestor holding up the “ colour is not code…” towards the end of your deconstruction, you remarked how the schools weren’t teaching the correct spelling of “color”. “Colour” is indeed correct as British English, which most Canadians have adopted, and a few Americans.

    You also misquoted the sign by adding an extra “is” which is pretty funny since you were criticizing about uneducated writing skills…

    I did enjoy the read, though.

  20. 20KimberGrl on Aug 12, 2011 at 11:42 am:

    I am still shaking my head…I just cannot follow this. I agree with Scott Two situations, in both cases I am dressed with expensive jewelery and I am mugged:

    1) It is middle of the day in a part of town not known for violence.
    2) It is the middle of the night in a part of town known for crime.

    The punishment for the criminal should be the same in both cases. It is not my fault I got mugged, HOWEVER, I was being very stupid in situation #2. It does not mean it is my fault, it just means that some situations are predictable and therefore avoidable.

    I think this article is saying that SlutWalk is not supposed to make sense, it just about “empowerment” and “justice” which is just another way of saying “I want to feel good about myself without having to really do anything.”

  21. 21Jef on Aug 12, 2011 at 8:19 pm:

    Rapists commit rape but murder is committed by guns. Let’s hear it for cognitive dissonance!

  22. 22Vox on Aug 12, 2011 at 8:50 pm:

    A few comments:

    First, I think this did point-out the multiple layers of stupidity going on at Slutwalks. If one dislikes the idea that women’s responsibility for their own self-protection should be increased, then they should also oppose the principle of self-defense classes. And yet the idea of women’s self-defense classes does not seem to offend them at all. (I suspect it’s because some Slutwalkers like the idea of giving some man a swift kick to the nut-sack.)

    But the Slutwalk position on prostitution is not necessarily contradictory. Exploitation and trafficking is bad, but legalizing prostitution can bring it into a position where the trade can be legally regulated, where the sex-workers can be health-inspected, etc. Keeping prostitution illegal causes unsafe conditions to persist and it increases the power of pimps. It’s akin to saying that unsafe homemade moonshine is bad while the production of alcohol should be legal (and regulated). That seems straightforward to me.

    What seems to be going on in the Slutwalk ideology is a fundamental attribution error. They believe that the word ‘slut’ is something dreamed-up BY MEN to prevent women from having one-night stands. But does that even sound remotely like something men would favor? It would be self-defeating.

    What seems more likely to me is that the term ‘slut’ is far useful when deployed by women at their sexual competition. A ‘slut’ is, after all, a woman who ‘gives it away’ too easily and who acts like a sexually-irresponsible jackass. And historically, in the absence of reliable birth control (which is only a recent phenomenon), it really wasn’t in a woman best interests to sleep with 10 different men a month, was it? Lest her life turn into one of those ‘You are not the father!’ episodes you see on Maury Povich.

    So what we have here is a cartoon of reality where heterosexual men are portrayed as acting counterproductively and contrary to their own sexual interests. So men wish women to be LESS sexual? And keep their legs together? Really now? Back in the 60s when The Pill first came-out? If you had a girlfriend who was ‘on the pill’, it was like winning the damn lottery!

    But, alas, men must always be the stock villains in feminists’ eyes. Yes, it is vagina-enslaving MEN who wield the term ‘slut’. Not women who wish to wound their sexual competitors. Not mothers and fathers who don’t wish their daughters to get knocked-up.

  23. 23Westie on Aug 13, 2011 at 4:21 am:

    Finally a visual definition of Sluts!

  24. 24Tom on Aug 15, 2011 at 12:33 pm:

    I agree 100% that it’s funny to watch these so called protesters hold a slutwalk here. They know that the cops here that they spew hatred for, still will protect them. They run no risk of being murdered or tortured here for their beliefs. If they tried this in any country in the Middle East. They would be wiped out by end of day. Locked up, tortured and or killed. Same reason why they stay silent about the torture & death of Gays & Lesbians in Iran & other places. They do not actually have the nerve to stand up for what’s right, or for lack of a better description. The nut sack to do it! They cry out about how unjust we are here in America. They should try to talk to some of the Women and Gays that survived torture in the Middle East & see how much worse it is there. Libtards make me sick!

  25. 25Axeman on Aug 20, 2011 at 11:02 pm:

    “Consent is sexy” is confusing for another reason. It’s essentially saying, “Don’t take it forcefully, because women find consent ‘sexy’”. But for the last couple decades they have been trying to deny that there is anything sexual about rape, and it’s all about hate and control. So why would a guy who hates woman and wants control care what they find sexy, or if it is completely violence, how does “sexy” even enter into it? Can they co-exist as feelings or can’t they?

    I’ll note that it doesn’t completely imply “We’ll give it up if you ask our consent,” but when coupled with women’s freedom to engage in one night stands, there’s an element of that. After all, do these women want to be “sexy” or not? (I know it’s an equivocation, but so much of this march already is.) Regardless of that implication, I can’t get it from my head that it seems to be aimed at a frat-boy-like (patriarchal?) mentality, who might press a girl beyond her consent–but again, if this has any application, it seems like an overlap between lust and rape is actually regarded as feasible. I know that forcing a woman beyond her consent for my satisfaction is a terrible step, but it hardly makes clear the complete separation between sexual attraction and rape–which is said to have no overlap. I would initially have to value your viewpoint, in order for your experience to play into things.

    It doesn’t seem to be aimed at rapists, but a sort of general all-men-are-rapists, yet in a way that violates rape dogma.

    Finally, I can’t help but notice that you are probably going to catch some flack for the similarity between the old idea that “you can’t understand a woman” and claiming that a woman’s march makes no sense (and cannot be understood). Or the similarity between the contrariness viewed as characteristic of women and the rampant contradictions of Slut Walks.

  26. 26Habbit on Aug 21, 2011 at 10:10 am:

    Why can’t we have Muslims who suicide bomb events and functions like this?

  27. 27sjh on Aug 21, 2011 at 6:49 pm:

    And nobody missed work….

  28. 28Patrick Strei on Aug 22, 2011 at 3:01 am:

    I fell in love with SF as a kid up from LA. The Beltline Railway still ran along the docks where shipcs came in from the Orient.

    Moved there in the 70s and walked the hills, ate in tiny Chinese Restaurants, and hung out in Orth Beach cafes over expresso.

    It was still a real place.

    Went away, came back and tried it as a middle class homeowner. Gave up after twenty years.

    The point of the City by the Bay, aside from fleecing tourists, is to provide a loving haven for narcissists such as you picture.

    If they want abortion on demand, I say let em have it.

  29. 29ProtestShooter on Aug 23, 2011 at 9:35 am:

    I always think of looking for Frank as being like “Where’s Waldo”.

  30. 30Ugh on Aug 24, 2011 at 6:49 am:

    When I was 15 I was drugged and raped at a party by two boys, one of whom I went to school with. I was not completely unconscious for most of it, but could barely move, and could do nothing but watch them on top of me, which I can only remember in brief flashes. I drifted in and out and woke up the next morning with my shirt and underwear off, and my skirt around my waist.

    My classmate/rapist had told several people in our school that both he and his friend had “scored” with me in the same night. He even mentioned I was “so wasted she passed out.” My classmates knew I was unconscious for at least a portion of it.

    I was not only blamed for my assault, but openly harassed. It was my fault, I was “drunk” and wearing a miniskirt and tank top, so it was clearly my fault. I had people making joke at my expense, and the harassment only got worse when it came out I had filed a police report, becomming all out hostile. One of the rapists’ girlfriends physically attacked me.

    Guess what word I heard thrown at me and whispered behind my back? Slut. “Narc slut bitch” was a popular one too. I had to leave school and attend classes at a small “alternative” school where no one knew me, or my rapists.

    Oh, and my rapists? Never charged. Investigated, but not charged. There was no evidence of forced sex because I was too drugged to fight back, and GHB leaves the system too fast to test for most of the time. And my “story wasn’t solid” because of how little I could remember (surprise surprise, the drug does that). Also, one of the first questions they asked me? What was I wearing?

    So, don’t tell me women are not blamed for rape in Western culture. I know from experience that this claim is complete and total bullshit. I spent my teenage years being afraid and ashamed because of this rape culture that you insist does not exist.

  31. 31Scott on Aug 25, 2011 at 4:25 pm:

    Well, then, Ugh, sounds like you are extremely bitter. I am sorry that you were gang raped, and I can tell you that frat boys (or any teen heterosexual boy who is experimenting with sex) want to score as a right of passage. So apparently you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. What they did to you was absolutely wrong. But what they did doesn’t make ours a “rape culture”, nor does Zombie insist that rape doesn’t exist; this blog post merely points out the paradox presented by this protest.

    And, I’ll ask you a simple question to which you will take great offense (I suspect): do you think as you look back that you might have had something to do with this rape? Not your clothes…no no no. Irrelevent. Why were you “drugged” in the first place? You were looking for a good time? Perhaps served alchohol under age? It was pretty cool to drink before you were 21 (in fact, practically pre-pubescent)! But you did. And they took advantage. What they did was wrong, but what you did is make yourself vulnerable. That is your responsibility. I suspect you will never, ever see it that way.

  32. 32Jim on Aug 25, 2011 at 4:26 pm:

    She spelt Colour correctly – that’s how it’s spelt outside the USA.

  33. 33Vox on Aug 30, 2011 at 7:15 pm:

    Ladies? If you drink 13 shots of rum at a party, chances are that one of those shots might’ve been spiked with a date-rape drug. Smoke a few joints?

    And, rather conveniently, such a drug leaves no traces whatsoever. Unlike the 13 shots of rum. But accidentally drinking a date-rape drug with your 13 shots gets you a lot more sympathy than if you’d simply gotten drunk off your ass…

    Yessiree, the date-rape drug is truly a mysterious and responsibility-destroying substance!

  34. 34Bakunin on Sep 1, 2011 at 12:31 pm:

    Vox and Scott’s are the reason why ‘blaming the victim’ exist: A young women does what every young person does and has a couple of drinks (or not, that’s a major presumption on there part), two men put something in her drink and then rape her. It is her fault for having any drinks in the first place – the men just “want to score as a right of passage”. She should get over it, bitter man hatter.

    Then agian, this additude is widespread – when 18-year-old Jennifer Moore was raped and murdered, Bill O’Reily said “”wearing a miniskirt and a halter top. … [E]very predator in the world is gonna pick that up at 2 in the morning”. It’s her fault she was raped and murdered because she thought that she could be wearing clothes that she looks good in.

    When Julian Assange’s sexual assault allegation broke the news, Robert Stacy McCain explained ““You buy the ticket, you take the ride.” So women don’t have the right to say no at any time…. so long, consent!

    a Manitoba, Canada judge handed out a two-year conditional sentence to a rapist, saying he was “a clumsy Don Juan,” commented on the victim’s attire and said there was “sex in the air” on the night she was sexually assaulted. To make matters worse, one of the conditions in his sentence was to write an apology letter to the rape victim, in essence victimizing her all over again.


    A note to Zombie: I would be weary of letting people from the website “The Speerhead” on your site. I know your right-wing, but The Speerhead is an openly misogynistic website. If you want to see the worst of the worst, check out: The speerhead is ‘pro-man’ as nazis are ‘pro-aryan’ – it’s just rhetoric to mask the fact that they hate women/jews.

  35. 35leon on Sep 2, 2011 at 4:22 am:

    dude! you have an AWESOME analysis of the weaknesses of feminism, and then you turn it into showing ‘how stupid’ all these women are, even though there’s a really interesting ideological and societal conflict in this movement. shame.

  36. 36Scott on Sep 2, 2011 at 5:45 pm:

    So do tell, Bakunin: does Ugh bear any responsibility for what happened?

  37. 37Keith on Sep 6, 2011 at 11:49 am:

    Brilliant commentary. Another bold piece of work. Thanks!

  38. 38Keith on Sep 7, 2011 at 12:11 pm:

    I sent slutwalk to a friend who works for the County of Orange. Their websense program blocked it, due to “racism and hate”.

  39. 39Bakunin on Sep 14, 2011 at 7:19 am:

    No. Rapists are to blame for rape. That should be uncontroversial. The fact that you think it isn’t shows why slutwalk is needed.

  40. 40Scott on Sep 14, 2011 at 5:03 pm:

    Wrong again. Sigh. I didn’t say Ugh was responsible for her own rape…nor did I imply it. Rape is committed, so rapists should be punished. Absolutely. What I am saying is that she is responsible for putting herself in a position where she could have been compromised. I’d wager that it was a poor decision too, but you would prefer to overlook that, skip many facts, and assign blame to anyone who thinks differently from you. She was a victim, but created the circumstances via poor choices. You know, Bakunin, if you thought things through, you might understand what I (and other conservatives) are saying. I think you are afraid of agreeing. That, or you just want to be contrarian. If a woman can agree with me (see above), surely I can’t be the monster you wish to portray me as…I made a point, it is a valid one, and you want to defend this senseless Slutwalk “protest”. It’s nonsense.

  41. 41Bakunin on Sep 15, 2011 at 7:39 pm:

    Rape is not a “poor decision”. It is committed on someone though no act of there own. What you are essentially saying is that woman should be locked up until they are married, chaste, protected by there fathers, not allowed to live the lives of a real person less they “put themselves in a position” where they can be “compromised”.

    That’s the point of slutwalk – women can like sex. women can like dressing pretty. woman can like to drink alcohol. doing those things should not considered “putting themselves in a position where they can be compromised”. Doing those things are not an invitation for rape. As much as you say your not, you are blaming the victim and excusing her rapists. Congradulations – your a rape apologist.

  42. 42Mturppa on Sep 16, 2011 at 7:55 am:

    Frank Chu has become the “Wheres Waldo” of zombietime lol. Saw him in the background and got excited when I found him. On a more serious note, WTF is this protest about?? I am so confused. Dont these jokers have work or something?

  43. 43Scott on Sep 16, 2011 at 6:20 pm:

    I didn’t say this:

    Rape is not a “poor decision”.

    I said it was a poor decision to place herself in harm’s way at 15. I don’t refute this:

    women can like sex. women can like dressing pretty.

    In fact, I prefer women who do both. I agree with this:

    doing those things should not considered “putting themselves in a position where they can be compromised”

    . Again, consider Ugh’s age, and that she was apparently alone (nobody came to her aid, according to her story) and she was likely drinking (this is how she was drugged). Bakunin, she wasn’t a woman. She was (in the eyes of the law) a child. She bears responsibility for placing herself in harm’s way. So do her parents. I do not apologize for rape or rapists. I have already stated that they were wrong and the crime was committed. But blame can and should be assigned to others besides the men who took turns on Ugh.

    And, Slutwalk is pointless. There are more constructive ways to prevent rape.

  44. 44Bakunin on Sep 17, 2011 at 9:17 am:

    No. Blame for her rape should only be placed on her rapists. You do not know she was alone. If she was a child, then you are being a child rape apologist. But 15 year olds now adays are more mature then your paternalistic mind would have them. She was a young woman, and the young men who raped her, who drugged her, hold the sole blame for her rape.

    Not herself. Not her parents. Not society. Her rapists.

    Like I said a sexist world view would have her living no different then young women and girls in the Muslim world: locked up to “protect” there morality. Your view takes away the agency of young woman and treats them as less then human. Young men are expected to go out, drink and “want to score as a right of passage”. Young woman should be put in a berka in order to not “putting [themselves] in a position where [they can] have been compromised”.

  45. 45Bakunin on Sep 17, 2011 at 9:35 am:

    And it’s a good thing the law doesn’t run on the basis of Scotts ideology, because if it did it would be give free passes to rapists on the basis of what kind of beverage a woman consumed.

  46. 46Scott on Sep 17, 2011 at 12:52 pm:

    Bakunin, you are a classic liberal. You only read/see/hear what you want to, then you bend/twist/contort logic to suit your own ideas. You are dead wrong about what I said, what my view is, and what I am saying, and again at this point, it is time to conclude, because I am shouting at a brick wall. I really do wish I could have a constructive, productive conversation with a liberal, but unfortunately, your views are impossible to reason with, for they are irrational. Go back to sleep.

  47. 47Bakunin on Sep 17, 2011 at 3:43 pm:

    Your just throwing in the towel because you’d rather engage in fallacy and non sequitur that’s up to you.

    Let’s look at logical debate for a second.

    Do you agree (yes or no answers please):

    1. Rapists are responsible for rape.
    2. A woman actions does not make her responsible for rape.
    3. Women should be allowed to wear what they want.
    4. Woman should be allowed to consume what ever kind of beverage that they want.
    5. If a woman actions make her partially responsible for her rape, then the rapist isn’t totally to blame and as such should get more lenient sentences.
    6. If a womans actions make her partially responsible for rape, the way to end rape is to ensure woman are not put into such situations. Therefor woman should be kept locked away not unlike in Muslim countries.

  48. 48Scott on Sep 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm:

    Sigh. I know I will regret this. Here goes:

    Rapists are responsible for rape. Absolutely.
    A woman actions does not make her responsible for rape. Correct. *
    3. Women should be allowed to wear what they want. Correct *
    4. Woman should be allowed to consume what ever kind of beverage that they want. Yes **
    5. If a woman actions make her partially responsible for her rape, then the rapist isn’t totally to blame and as such should get more lenient sentences. No
    6. If a womans actions make her partially responsible for rape, the way to end rape is to ensure woman are not put into such situations. Therefor woman should be kept locked away not unlike in Muslim countries. No

    * But a woman has to take responsibility for herself to mitigate her potential rape. Most do.
    **Women over 21.

    I think this shows that I am not a rape apologist. What it attempts to do is illustrate my original point: EVERYONE has a responsibility to ensure their own safety. Read some of my posts above from a few weeks back. I’ll give you another (non-rape) example. A friend of mine, about 23 years ago, went to a major city to attend a dinner party at a restaurant. He imbibed a bit too heavily, and left the party a.) well-dressed, b.) intoxicated c.) alone, and d.) parked in a section of that big city that was dangerous. He was mugged and beaten. Now, follow closely Balunin, and you may discover my point: was a crime committed? My answer is YES. Was he “asking for it”? No. Did he bear responsibility for what happened to him? YES. HE chose to leave his downtown party, in his business suit, and walk back to his car in a sketchy section of town, by himself. His risk was VERY HIGH. He wagered and lost. Do I think his muggers should be given a lighter sentence because he did a stupid thing? No. A free, adult citizen should be able to choose where he would like to eat, with whom, and leave without fear of harm. Unfortunately, reality and utopia are very different things.

    This is my point with Ugh’s situation. She had some responsibility for what happened. AND she was under age drinking (almost guaranteed). Was a crime committed? Yes. Was she asking for it? My answer is no. Was she somehow responsible because she of what she was wearing? No. But she chose to drink at 15, party with idiots, and wound up a victim. Had she thought that situation through, it never would have happened.

    Our choices define us.

  49. 49Matt on Sep 18, 2011 at 8:46 am:

    Im with Scott. The rapist is to blame for rape. However people HAVE to be responsible for their own saftey. If I was a womam I would not go walking downtown at night, alone, where skimpy clothing, get drunk, ect. They have that right to. However all it will do is attract the eye of a pervert. If a woman wants to put herself in that compramising position then its up to her. In a perfect world we wouldnt have the problam of rapists and pedo’s but thats just pure ideolism. It will never happan. So you HAVE to protect yourself.

  50. 50Matt on Sep 18, 2011 at 8:51 am:

    And Scott, Mr. Bakunin is using the exact defense that Zombie pointed out. The “You disagree even a little and you support Rape” defense. Classic.

  51. 51Xpltivdletd on Sep 19, 2011 at 11:31 pm:

    The procreators (biologically similar to parents but not to be mistaken for parents) whose “care” for their 13-y-o offspring allowed a party where she could take even ONE alcoholic drink–

    –deserve some good old-fashioned corporal punishment themselves, for their derelictions-of-duty. A 13-y-o *is* a child. Where were they? But their derelictions-of-duty do NOT absolve the rapists, or the rest of the system that protected them while failing to protect her. So a proper administration of that corporal punishment I mentioned might call for a 50-hand working party and some traffic-control during that mass kicking of @’s around the block.

    Since that would be called assault-&-battery, it may have to suffice to say checkens come home to roost in ways we least expect. RKBA! Best regards, all.

  52. 52Xpltivdletd on Sep 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm:

    OOPS; Chickens come home to roost. I’m unfamiliar with what checkens do.

  53. 53prostitute on Sep 24, 2011 at 11:10 am:

    I don’t like Slutwalk, but your position on prostitution is simply inaccurate.

    1) It’s not “glamorizing prostitution” to encourage supporting and respecting prostitutes. Shows like “Secret Diary of a Call girl” glamorize prostitution. (With women saying that they love love love the job.) But saying we need to respect prostitutes more isn’t glamorizing the industry.

    And it’s clearly NEEDED, based on the comments you made in this very post. Some prostitutes are addicted to drugs. That’s true. Some abusive pimps encourage drug addictions to make their girls more dependent on them. Also true.

    But your continued insistence that drug abuse is the only reason worth considering is absolutely wrong and annoying. I work as a sex worker and I’ve never used an illegal substance in my life. And it is pretty fucking annoying when people assume that’s the only reason I could possibly be doing this job. I don’t assume that YOU have negative intentions, but many use that stereotype to imply that sex workers are totally at fault for the desperation that led them to do sex work, or to imply that they’re lazy and unreliable.

    I’m a sex worker because I’m broke and in debt. No drug addiction, no shopping addiction, no unwise spending here. I lost my job, along with many others, through no fault of my own, and was landed with massive medical bills I was told my company health insurance would pay but didn’t because of the timing of my job loss right after. I didn’t have enough money to eat or buy gas (and I lived in the middle of nowhere, so driving was essential to survival.) My parents had recently thrown me out for being gay, and my friends are as broke as me. I became a prostitute because as a young college student with a serious illness and no degree yet, I couldn’t find any job that could pay me enough to feed and house myself AND pay off the massive medical bills I had never expected. Prostitution was the only job I could find where I could make 1000 in a day.

    Now, it WAS still my choice. Someone can disapprove of my choice. Maybe others would have declared bankruptcy and tried to find a homeless shelter to take them in or something because the idea of prostitution isn’t something they could ever do. Perhaps there are other choices I could’ve made. But my choice was not motivated by addiction and laziness. And it rubs me a bit the wrong way that you assume that prostitutes are all drug addicts. In the agency I worked with until recently, I didn’t know a single addict. Two of the girls smoked pot, but that wasn’t where the majority of their money was going. Most were poor college students that couldn’t find a job or single mothers that couldn’t find a way to support their children. And it’s not laziness, though some might consider it a bad decision, but definitely not laziness, because this is one of the most terrifying and physically demanding jobs I can think of. It IS desperation, as you say. But it’s not always drug desperation.

    And wanting to legalize prostitution doesn’t mean that you aren’t against exploitation. Many of us wish it was legalized so it could be regulated. I’d rather not be a prostitute, and I have continued to pursue college and will get out just as soon as I possibly can. I’m not saying that it’s a good thing.

    But it’s VERY dangerous, the way it is right now. And the law often makes things harder on the exploited, the prostitutes, than it does on the johns and pimps. Johns and pimps know they can use the fear of law enforcement to demand extreme acts (unprotected sex, anal sex, etc.) And johns know they can often get away with rape, because a prostitute doesn’t want to go to the cops when she has also been committing a crime by being a prostitute. And there’s a lot of other dangerous behavior – dangerous for the prostitute, and dangerous for society in general – that could be regulated with legalization. STD testing, for example, could be enforced like it is in Australia, and places where prostitution is legalized, and condom use could be required. And if prostitution wasn’t a crime, the creeps who try to force unprotected sex on prostitutes could actually be reported, as could shady pimps, shady pimps masquerading as agency owners, and shady agencies trying to skirt the regulations. The STD thing is big too, because there are so many guys who will try to pressure you for unprotected sex. Sometimes it is straight up rape, sometimes it is attempts to threaten and intimidate. Online reviews (stuff like are big in prostitution. If you’re not on there, or don’t have a good score, you miss a lot of business. Guys use this to their advantage. “If you don’t fuck me unprotected, you’re getting a 0.) In fact, by the point system on this MAJOR site, you CAN’T EVEN GET A 10 unless you offer full gfe (unprotected oral, anal, and vaginal.) What kind of behavior is this rating system, used by thousands of johns and prostitutes, encouraging?

    These men may infect prostitutes, who go on to infect other johns or lovers. One of these men may become infected by a prostitute, and go home and give it to his innocent wife. (In my three years working this job, I can count on ONE HAND the number of unmarried men I saw. No, I have never given in to unprotected sex because I’ve been threatened, but many girls do. I have had men force unprotected sex on me.) This is hurting a lot of innocent people, too, and maybe some of it could be prevented if prostitution were legalized, and condom usage, as well as STD testing, were actually enforced.

  54. 54k66 on Sep 25, 2011 at 11:07 pm:

    Speaking specifically of the desire of some of the persons mentioned in this blog post of legalizing prostitution:

    No, no, no. As much as I think prostitution could probably stand to be legal, as it’s basically a victimless crime (although morality could be used as a defense against keeping it illegal, but I’m not arguing on a moral basis), there are plenty of reasons to NOT legalize prostitution. Here’s a couple.

    -Young, impressionable women may not know the rigors and stresses of being in such an occupation; what it does to your body, your health, your looks and love life. Sex workers have a high incidence of suicide and illicit drug use, and being in such an intimate setting puts you at higher risk of actual bodily harm if a sex worker happens to choose a foul-hearted client.

    -Slavery and sexploitation. Even though slavery is illegal in America, it still exists in limited form. There is an unknown number of women in America who are being openly exploited for their bodies; many are imported from eastern europe (where kidnappings for sexploitation are somewhat common), and many from Central America. Legalizing prostitution would give their captors more legal avenues to profit from their suffering.

    -Seeing prostitutes as a common sight may leave a very skewed impression on young minds on how the sex trade is portrayed.

    Now maybe if we can solve the above two problems, THEN it might be okay to legalize prostitution. But as it stands now… nope.

  55. 55Aaron on Sep 26, 2011 at 2:48 pm:

    Funny thing, I saw the one sign say “Racism”
    I happen to be a honkey, a cracker, a white boy, a natural born racist…. and My wife is black, very dark skinned, very tall, black woman. The Most beautiful woman I have ever seen.

    It’s been said to me She suffers from a mental illness, cause she’s married to me, She wants to be white, though she always dresses in African clothes (for she was born in Kenya, and that is her thing)

    and every time We have Marital Relations. It has been said I am raping her. It would be impossible for me as a natural product of institutional violence and racism to have a black woman as a wife without raping her every time we went to get groceries. AT least according to some libtard victimology nonsense

  56. 56Xpltivdletd on Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 pm:

    Back to the lead-photo, way up at the top of the page; how about unwanted exposure to eternally-outraged feminites (to whom I’ve done nothing), throwing that infernal how-DARE-you look? If we’re entitled to recompense for every visual affront, that cuts both ways.

    What’s to be feared about the look on someone’s face? Well, in this She-Said–She-says-THAT B@$TARD-said culture–plenty. Both sexes are treated “equally” in the law, but since the sexes have been re-named (guilty & victim), you don’t need a degree in Sociology to guess which is more equal than the other. So there will be places in which there is no chance of a reasonable discourse if I see that sort of look on her clock. I won’t be within range. RKBA! Best regards.

  57. 57Karl on Sep 28, 2011 at 4:28 pm:

    Since the late ’60′s when I saw my first halter top on a woman, I’ve believed that if a woman “puts it out there,” that any man who happens to approach her should have the right to investigate further — and yes — even to feel. And I still feel this way to this very day. A woman afterall, much as she may protest, is a thing of beauty to man and a sexual object in his eyes. This is just human nature and everyone realizes this, even though they may not want to admit it. Certainly, when both a man and a woman are reasonable in their attire and attitudes, they should be respected and act accordingly. But if a woman dresses as a slut, looks like a slut and acts like a slut, why is it so wrong for a man to treat her as anything different?

  58. 58Stef on Oct 3, 2011 at 8:08 am:

    It seems like the walkers in Minneapolis had a more coherent message. Especially moving were the images of women who listed the ages when they were raped (many below age 10)

  59. 59Marbran on Oct 28, 2011 at 9:39 pm:

    Thanks, Zombie! Great work! I’ve just added your site to my favorites and I will spread word of it’s location.

    I’ve read this, and your Folsom Street Fair piece, and I have to say, you are capturing how most ‘normal people’ view these events and the people that attend/organize them.

    If naked men (almost never women) want to parade around the Castro or at the Folsom Street Fair, more power to them. (Maybe the women were busy at SlutWalk that day?)

    But as your photos (and the links you provided) demonstrate, SF urban nudity is definitely about the aroused exhibitionist factor. True nudists/naturists do not gain or seek sexual gratification by being nude in public. But we already know that. The moment of truth, for anyone not raised as a nudist, comes when you are first willingly and voluntarily nude in public. The vast majority of people get over it within minutes; they return to what was once, at age 4 or 5, quite accepted. People tend to also be more honest, respectful, and humble when socially nude.

    Those few that equate social nudity with sexual arousal either leave the public quickly, or are told not to return. Nudist/naturist resorts are commonly attended by families, including children, without the need for police supervision. Those folks police themselves and weed out the pervs. (BTW…they also use the butt towels.)

    It’s been said that being a liberal/progressive is a sign of mental disorder. DSM #5 is due to be released in about 18 months. We’ll have to wait and see what they’ve come up with, but since the majority of ‘experts’ in that field are themselves lib/progs, I don’t expect much. The DSM #4 (here) defines what is Right Think and what is Wrong Think. You’d be amazed at how correct Orwell was with 1984.

    Concerning Islam…I am always puzzled by the libs/progressives stance towards a religion that patently discriminates against women. And homosexuals. And alcohol. And that even supports capitalism through it’s sale of oil. Strangely, the libs/progs are either side-ways supporting Islam, or are openly accusing those folks that try to shed some light on Islam – to have a few points clarified – as being ‘Islamophobic’ and filled with ‘hate speech’ and ‘bigotry.’

    Isn’t Islam exactly what libs/progs purport to hate? When was the last time any Western country stoned a woman to death for adultery? Or beheaded a man for myriad offenses? Or required four witnesses before a woman can claim rape? Or lopped off a hand or a foot for stealing? Yet, peaceably injecting a heinous, convicted, appealed-to-death, 20+ year death row inmate, capital murderer elicits calls of ‘barbarism’ and ‘unjust death’ from this same ilk.

    Does that not strike anyone else as being mentally deranged thought?

    Great blog site! Well done!


  60. 60Marbran on Oct 28, 2011 at 9:45 pm:

    @Stef The photos at tcdailyplanet [dot] com focused on some self-labeled victims. But the overall SlutWalk messages are still visible in some of the photo’s backgrounds. Different event, but the same overall message.

  61. 61Brian on Nov 3, 2011 at 8:09 am:

    It’s likely that the female with the “My skin colour is not code for my sexuality” sign was from England where color is spelled colour a mistake none the less but understandable.

  62. 62dw on Nov 3, 2011 at 11:35 am:

    Is there a rape epidemic going on in San Fransisco?

  63. 63Susanna on Mar 9, 2012 at 5:20 pm:

    So…you are all fine with women walking around terrified that if their outfit is too provocative they may get raped? And you’re fine with the way a woman feels after she gets touched without wanting to–if she was dressed like a “slut”? What about in summer time? Would you have women smother themselves in the heat if they don’t wanna be touched? Or what if a woman is on her way to a date with her partner when she gets sexually assaulted, and she is “putting it out there” for him/her–and him/her alone?

  64. 64Susanna on Mar 9, 2012 at 5:26 pm:

    Sorry, I guess not all of you were saying that, but those her were know who they are.

  65. 65andy on Mar 15, 2012 at 12:00 pm:

    I think that you are right. If you are the blogger who makes a living making fun of radicals, and showing the world how dumb they are, then there is a lot to criticize. He’s a liberal who doesn’t objectify, or maybe he does, certainly doesn’t rape and so the whole thing is ridiculous.

    I think that the problem is that not everybody is as progressive as our host, here. My friends who attended in NYC and Chicago were reacting to an upswing of rape in urban areas. NYC, specifically, police were accused of categorizing these crimes as lesser offenses to make it appear that the crime rates are being kept down, even though there has been a spate of rape and other crimes in Manhattan and Brooklyn. It’s all right there in the news. So yes, in a world where violence against women are increasing, fighting regressive propaganda is paramount, even if nobody knows what the hell they are trying to really say. That a cop could say that in this day and age shows you that there is still work to be done to keep our female citizens safe and respected.

    As a guy who has many female friends, I’ve seen that many male cops still do accuse the woman of wrongdoing after a sexual assault. Maybe it has nothing to do with sexism, but laziness, they resent the work so they make the victim feel bad for bringing it to their attention.

    I love how this blog shines a light on protest culture as a platform for all sorts of crazy ideas, and identifies specific groups working to cause derision. This protest was different because there wasn’t that much to ridicule, just the author’s hopes that these problems are all taken care of within society, and taking it out on the protest.

  66. 66andy on Mar 15, 2012 at 12:03 pm:

    *is… not are.

  67. 67Ghastly1 on May 12, 2012 at 8:02 pm:


    As your pictures conclusively prove, practically all of the “people” in the Slutwalk are virtually immune from rape by virtue of their hideous, repulsive, or likewise revolting appearance. Therefore, any reference to rape – in their signs, body paint, etc. – is totally without merit or point.

  68. 68Anonymous coward on Jun 13, 2012 at 6:22 pm:

    I always left home hours before my wife woke up. One morning I was off and my wife was dressing for work – VERY provocatively. I asked why.
    “I have a meeting with the warehouse manager today.”
    “Well… We kind of have an arrangement… He gets to spend a half hour staring at my tits, and I get whatever I want.”
    I wasn’t thrilled, but… I am secure enough to trust her…
    A few weeks later she came home VERY upset. It seems Mr. Warehouse Manager had finally decided to “make his move.”
    She was REALLY angry – planning to file a “sexual harassment” complaint. She was even MORE angry at me when I failed to agree with her.
    “Making a move – under THESE circumstances – is not sexual harassment! Sticking your tits in a guy’s face month after month to get special favors on the job? *THAT* IS SEXUAL HARASSMENT! Guys *NOTICE* THINGS! HE NOTICED HOW YOU ALWAYS DRESSED UP EXTRA-SEXY ON DAYS YOU WERE MEETING WITH HIM! WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK HE WOULD THINK?!”

    I’m an utter pig, because I STILL don’t think she has any right to be mad!!

    It’s no different than dragging a shiny spinning-lure through the water, then being mad at a fish when he strikes at it!

    As Dave Chappelle said, “if you’re not a whore, why wear the uniform?!”

    As to the “rape responsibility” discussion: When I was 19 I was out, drinking on a fake-ID. I was walking home when a drunk driver jumped the curb and hit me, landing me in the hospital for almost half a year and totally changing (some would say “ruining”) my life. I was left with horrible scars and certain deformities that plague me to this day some ~30 years later.

    Who was to blame?

    Obviously the drunk-driver – but also *ME*! Yes – I didn’t deserve what happened to me, but *I* also bear SOME responsibility! Had I been HOME – where I BELONGED – it couldn’t have happened. Had I not been illegally drinking on a fake ID it couldn’t have happened! Accepting that I bear some responsibility does not lessen the driver’s responsibility!!

    Accepting that these girls stupidly put themselves in the situation that led to their rape does not lessen the rapists responsibility either!

    It’s NOT a zero-sum equation!

    Yes – she didn’t deserve what happened to her, but had she not been out where she shouldn’t be, dressed provocatively and drinking then it could not have happened. This does not lessen the rapists responsibility!

    I still believe it’s important for people to recognize their responsibility for what happens to them – it’s actually BETTER for their mental well-being. I could never really heal until I accepted that I bore some fault for what happened to me!

    These girls are no different – and will be much better off when they grow enough to accept their part in their unpleasantness…

  69. 69Archi on Jun 26, 2012 at 7:20 pm:

    Well I am really glad Bakunin posted and reminded me that there were better people alive than this blogger and his followers. This article totally missed the point of Slutwalk.

    Bit of a difference between drunkenly walking in front of a moving car and contrived violence and crime. That would be why the justice system recognises the difference between murder and manslaughter, assault and contributory negligence.

    I believe in a cause and effect world, but don’t believe that rape, abuse and violence need play any role in this society. Anon coward, I would be encouraging your wife to divorce you, are you insane? While she was engaging in inappropriate behavior (although if she was dressing that way serving the purpose of making her feel confident and happy I would encourage it), just because a person uses their aggression in the workplace does not invite another person to punch them in the face in response. Too much of anything can be a negative but that’s why workplaces have a responsibility to monitor and police their employees behaviours, and even if these are broken, people have a responsibility to respond respectfully and correctly.

    Ultimately Slutwalk is about normalising women’s bodies so that they are no longer the focus of perversions of reality… such as being a sex symbol, or a figure seen to be requesting ‘naughty’ responses, and placing the blame of hate on its perpetrators, noone else. Women need to play the dominant role in defining women, and redefining woman when they wish, as do anyone or any group. NONE of this should evoke ugly responses or excuses for these responses. And this piece is not only an ugly response, but alot of excuses for this ugliness.

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  71. 71robyn on Sep 5, 2012 at 4:31 pm:

    yes some people obvious don’t get what this is about. It must be nice to live in somewhere where you think victim blaming doesn’t happen. It does not just by lawyers plenty of people still make horrible comment and blame the victim for rape. The man who beat and raped me admitted to it but even the police knew me coming from lower class and him being upper class court was going to be horrible and as long as I wasn’t a virgin you are basically going to be called a slut. I eventually gave up pressing charger later a girl didn’t and he got convicted know how much time he spend in jail ZERO DAYS a convicted rapist got probation. This is why we are angry. Rape is not taken seriously enough.

  72. 72cheechako on Feb 16, 2013 at 11:44 am:

    I lived in San Francisco 40 years ago. I see not much has changed. Very well articulated blog – the Head Zombie is to be congratulated for his logic and sense of neutrality (which are sadly missing traits in today’s version of “journalism”).

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    If it hadn’t been for the girl from planned parenthood that would have been no fun at all. What a bunch of dogs. They’d be safe around me :~)

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    ….and by the way, you might spell it “color”, but the people in England spell it “colour” and it is after all, their language. Americans have a very lazy approach to it all, some would say it’s dumbed down English. I’d be one of them :~)

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    This quote is the key to explaining why you have failed to understand slutwalk.

    “Do these people know their anti-rape techniques are totally ineffective, or do they really think a rapist will run away just because you yell “No!” and try to hit him in the face? ”

    Most rape victims don’t need to make their victims run away. They just need to make them stop.
    Most rapes aren’t attacks in darkened alleyways by strangers – the victim almost always knows the rapist, and disproportionately it is the victim’s partner, family member or close friend of the family. Date rape is another very common one.
    In these situations, you don’t need to make them run away, just stop what they are doing. A slap around the face and shouting “No” would do that – it’s about assertiveness, because a date rapist, sexually abusive relative, sexually abusive partner etc will often take advantage of their partners lack of assertiveness to justify what they are doing to themselves. Thinking “Well, she’s not protesting THAT much …” or “She’s saying no but I bet she will change her mind if I just press it a bit further”.

    Please have a think again about your comments regarding “Everyone in the world is against rape”, “Cops are more against rape than anyone”, “I probably hate rapists more than these feminists because I want them executed, not just shamed”, in the light of that.

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