63 Responses to “San Francisco "Anti-War" Rally: The New Communist/Truth/Jihad Alliance”

  1. 1DangerousNate on Mar 24, 2010 at 3:37 pm:

    Yay! You’re back!

      

  2. 2Dianna on Mar 24, 2010 at 3:55 pm:

    “By now, they probably think I’m a regular member. If only they knew.”

    I’m still laughing.

    Yay, zombie! Zombie forever!

      

  3. 3Ringo the Gringo on Mar 24, 2010 at 4:17 pm:

    What I found most disturbing about the protest I went to in Los Angeles was the growing number of 9/11 “truthers”. When I first started going to protests back in 2004 there were only a handful of 9/11 conspiracy placards to be seen. But starting in 2007 with the infusion of Ron Paul supporters, their numbers began to grow steadily. Now the idea that the Bush Administration and/or Israel were the true culprits behind 9/11 seems to regarded as received wisdom among nearly everyone in attendance. At the protest march this past Saturday, “truther” signs and banners dominated the event. Even the most ardent Leftists who once regarded 9/11 as understandable “blowback” for American imperialism now all seem to have joined the “truther” camp. And what was even more troubling was how so many of the “truthers” appeared to in their teens and early twenties, which would have made them mere children when 9/11 actually happened.

    The idea that this truly crazy conspiracy theory is growing rather than shrinking over the years, and that it is successful in recruiting new, young converts is both sad and extremely disturbing.

      

  4. 4Ringo the Gringo on Mar 24, 2010 at 4:18 pm:

    Oh, and thanks for linking to my site, zombie. I really appreciate it.

      

  5. 5zombie on Mar 24, 2010 at 4:22 pm:

    Ringo the Gringo

    Agreed. In 2003 and 2004 I thought it was a passing fad. Now, Truthism is apparently one of the main ideological pillars of the whole movement!

    And I can understand why, actually, because if you concede that Muslims committed 9/11, then the “War on Terror” has some justification. But the whole point behind the new “anti-war” movement is to deny the validity of the War on Terror. So the only option is to claim that 9/11 never happened, or was committed by Bush and/or the Jews. QED.

      

  6. 6zombie on Mar 24, 2010 at 4:25 pm:

    #4 Ringo the Gringo

    Once I saw those Jew-hating signs, how could I not link to your essay? It made mine look tame by comparison. Beyond unreal. The fact that these people feel perfectly comfortable publicly displaying such opinions in a modern American city is truly terrifying.

      

  7. 7zombie on Mar 24, 2010 at 4:28 pm:

    #2 Dianna

    One of the most useful attributes of Code Pink is that they are totally narcissistic and oblivious. As long as one wears something pink and blends in, they’re completely incurious about who you might be. Ideological automatons! Perfect to hide amongst.

      

  8. 8Ringo the Gringo on Mar 24, 2010 at 4:32 pm:

    Another thing that was new was that many of the protesters were openly smoking marijuana in plain sight of the police, almost as if daring them to do something about it. The smell of pot smoke was everywhere. The police didn’t take the bait. I assume they reasoned that going into the crowd to arrest someone would provoke more trouble than it was worth.

      

  9. 9Ringo the Gringo on Mar 24, 2010 at 4:37 pm:

    zombie: One of the most useful attributes of Code Pink is that they are totally narcissistic

    That’s why I only put one picture of them in my essay. I don’t like to give them the satisfaction of seeing themselves on the internet. And I especially avoid photographing their So. Cal leader, Jodie Evans, who’s always posing for photographers like some publicity starved mini-celebrity.

      

  10. 10Dianna on Mar 24, 2010 at 5:24 pm:

    #7 zombie –

    Ideological automatons!

    *Snicker*

    Pretty much. I remember an encounter with Medea Benjamin where she was losing the argument, so she asked me what the rate of child abuse was in Sweden.

    When I said I hadn’t the foggiest, she told me I was stupid. I couldn’t help it, I laughed in her face.

      

  11. 11Don Quixote on Mar 24, 2010 at 7:15 pm:

    Great job Zombie and Ringo. Thank God someone is documenting these crazy fools. I wonder which city has more crazy leftists. I am sure that the San Francisco greater area has a higher percentage. But considering the size of the greater L.A. area I wonder who has more. My vote is L.A.

      

  12. 12CattusMagnus on Mar 24, 2010 at 8:22 pm:

    Wow. I bet the craziness written on the signs is tame compared to what these people actually say at these rallies. I can’t begin to imagine what kind of conversations these people have. I’m surprised that the truthers are still around too. I thought they’d disband after Bush left office.

      

  13. 13zombie on Mar 24, 2010 at 10:24 pm:

    #12 CattusMagnus

    Well, I actually have video of one of the speakers at the rally, and you are correct, what he said was completely over the top, beyond the mere signage. (He was the black nationalist to whom Ms. Thug Life 666 was so enthusiastically responding.) However, I didn’t upload the video to YouTube for a variety of reasons, one being the video quality is so low (my camera just doesn’t do zoom very well)and the other being sheer laziness — I simply hate editing video. (It’s actually three short videos which I’d have to glue together, an extra tedious task for someone of my limited video skilz.)

    Anyway, all I’m trying to say is that the spoken words are often worse, but they’re very hard to capture unless one has a dedicated video camera on at all times, and countless hours free to edit the tape afterward. For example, there was an Arab-American rap group at the event, and they started one of their songs with the lyrics, “Shoot a missile at the White House…” but by the time I turned on my camera to capture them saying it, the moment was passed and I was too late.

      

  14. 14Starless on Mar 25, 2010 at 4:05 am:

    “We do not think queers or straights should be in the military of a society like the u.s., or probably any government, and we feel that the queer liberation position is to oppose marriage as the central institution of patriarchy, not to try to get married ourselves.”

    Heh. At least they’re historically consistent.

    zombie: “Shoot a missile at the White House…”

    Hah! And Steny Hoyer is claiming that unnamed “conservative” elements are making “serious threats” on which he has failed to elaborate — along with the fictitious claims of spitting and racist slurs (as Ringo pointed out in the previous thread) by Tea Partiers. The conservative grassroots movement can’t hold a candle to the unrestricted foaming crazy of the anti-everything Left.

    zombie: skilz

    “Skizzles”…

      

  15. 15Starless on Mar 25, 2010 at 4:31 am:

    Dianna: When I said I hadn’t the foggiest, she told me I was stupid. I couldn’t help it, I laughed in her face.

    Were her cheeks all red and her eyes watering with tears of rage? Did she then run off crying to her room and call her BFF to tell her how you’re a mean stupid-head and how much she hates you?

      

  16. 16Dianna on Mar 25, 2010 at 8:02 am:

    Starless:
    Were her cheeks all red and her eyes watering with tears of rage? Did she then run off crying to her room and call her BFF to tell her how you’re a mean stupid-head and how much she hates you?

    Close. She certainly hissed, “You’re stupid” in truly adolescent fashion. The stomping off was pretty good, too.

    But she forgot the hair flip.

      

  17. 17Starless on Mar 25, 2010 at 8:39 am:

    Dianna: Close. She certainly hissed, “You’re stupid” in truly adolescent fashion. The stomping off was pretty good, too.

    But she forgot the hair flip.

    You better watch it. She might start spreading rumors about you.

      

  18. 18Soljerblue on Mar 25, 2010 at 9:01 am:

    Zombie, Diana, Ringo — I found your site with the link from RedState. Many thanks for this most enlightening survey of the Left Coast madness we’ve all come to know and love. (Hah!) It was most elightening, at times humorous, and — happily — relatively small. As one who covered the anti-Vietnam protests of the late 60s and early 70s, these seemed truly ludicrous to me. The size, organization, and central theme of those events was truly amazing, and they worked because so many ordinary Americans with no particular radical genes strongly believed that the war was wrong and needed to be ended. They may not have bonded with the lefties beyond that sentiment, but everyone involved focused on that central theme. As the crazies took over (SDS, Black Panthers, etc.), and average Americans started seeing things like Grant Park 1968, and the creative artistry of Bill Ayers and Company, the lefties lost their support in the larger community. Looks like they haven’t yet got it back, and — hopefully — won’t.

    One thing that struck me in all those photos — I saw not one sign, banner, or even T-shirt with Che’s picture. What gives??

      

  19. 19zombie on Mar 25, 2010 at 10:14 am:

    Some incoming links are straining my server to the breaking point. If you try to refresh this page and get a “Database connection error,” don’t panic — all that means is that I’m getting too much traffic than my bandwidth can handle. Wait a bit, and the surge should die down and go back to normal.

      

  20. 20Ringo the Gringo on Mar 25, 2010 at 10:28 am:

    My site has been overloaded all morning.

      

  21. 21Ringo the Gringo on Mar 25, 2010 at 10:33 am:

    Soljerblue: One thing that struck me in all those photos — I saw not one sign, banner, or even T-shirt with Che’s picture. What gives??

    There were plenty of Che shirts and banners at the LA protest, I guess I’ve just grown tired of photographing them….Although there is one picture in my report (if you can get it to open right now) of a grey-haired man holding a large Che banner.

      

  22. 22Fenris on Mar 25, 2010 at 3:28 pm:

    “Stop wars for oil & start the last World War ever! Against CLIMATE CHANGE!”

    Hold it! If we are to believe the more “populist” variety of Truther like Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, and the American Free Press, Truthers are supposed to be AGAINST the theory of climate change! But…but, how…how does she come to the…conclusion…that…that…ah screw it, I gave up on human sciences long ago.

      

  23. 23Fenris on Mar 25, 2010 at 3:40 pm:

    Some LaRouchite cult members showed up with Obama-Hitler signs. Will the Left now be accused of bigotry, intolerance and hate crimes because someone who showed up at their rally put a Hitler mustache on the President? Signs point to “No.”

    Good call. Most likely, the left will deny any association with the LaRouche cult. Personally, I don’t believe they fit into the whole left-right dichotomy by any measure.

      

  24. 24Fenris on Mar 25, 2010 at 3:43 pm:

    From Ringo’s pictures: the second image down contains an illustration by David Dees, a surprisingly popular Holocaust denier among conspiracy theorists of all shades.

    There, that’s all my observations for now.

      

  25. 25Bakunin on Mar 25, 2010 at 4:38 pm:

    “But as the radicalism escalated with each successive protest, the sane people all stopped coming, the rallies started getting smaller and smaller, and from 2004 onward it’s been a continuous downward slide. ”

    LOL…Same thing is happening to the Teabaggers…

      

  26. 26Ringo the Gringo on Mar 25, 2010 at 4:54 pm:

    Fenris: From Ringo’s pictures: the second image down contains an illustration by David Dees, a surprisingly popular Holocaust denier

    What image are you referring to?

      

  27. 27MedChemmer on Mar 25, 2010 at 8:54 pm:

    Heh my now former boss, a high powered physician scientist who is returning to his homeland, Caifornia, named one of his dogs Barak. The dog actually won a dog show. I can imagine the wide eyes of bystanders when someday he says over a cell phone that Barak needs to be neutered.

    I would at least be creative and make it a dog-transliterated name such as Barark Odoga.

      

  28. 28Fenris on Mar 25, 2010 at 9:37 pm:

    Ringo the Gringo:
    What image are you referring to?

    The second of your images on zombie’s page, fourth on your website, that reads “JEW(T) FUEL? THAT’S A GOOD ONE!!” The ADL has a good report on him. Compared to the images on Dees’s own website, the examples shown by the ADL are pretty vanilla.

      

  29. 29Starless on Mar 26, 2010 at 4:10 am:

    Bakunin: LOL…Same thing is happening to the Teabaggers…

    Oh, really? As far as I can tell, the core of the Tea Party movement continues to consist of average working citizens who are pissed off over gov’t spending and infringement of liberty while the core of the anti-war/Truther/Jihadi movement has been reduced to a group of fringe Jew-hating nut-cases. To add to that, the extremists — Larouchites/Paulites/KKK-types — who are trying to latch onto the Tea Party movement are still being marginalized by the core and time-and-again, extremist demonstrations and acts done in the name of the Tea Party (HitlerBama posters, racist graffiti, vandalism) have been perpetrated either by those on the fringe with no real connection to the core or as dirty tricks by Democratic operatives. Case in point: the recent threats and supposed spitting incident following the ObamaCare bill either haven’t been proven to be connected to people involved in the Tea Party movement or have been shown to have not happened at all, and Steny Hoyer’s crying about “security issues” has been more about imagined fears than actual threats. Maybe some day you will get your wish and the Tea Party will be reduced to what the Leftist demonstrator class has been reduced — unfortunately, true-believerism always seems to head in that direction — but as of now, the reality doesn’t match Leftist’s wish-fulfilment dreams about conservative boogeymen.

    And finally, do you snicker like David Shuster and all of the rest of the 12-year-olds when you use the term “Teabaggers”?

      

  30. 30Bakunin on Mar 26, 2010 at 5:44 pm:

    the extremists within the Tea Party group are what is fueling the so called “average citizen” attendee to more and more extremist themselves while pushing away those average people who no longer wish to be a part of the bottom of the barrel tone of the tea partiers.

    Its funny that you didn’t mention birthers in your group of extremists, seeing how 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was “not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president”. Birtherism is at it’s core a new rip on the “back to Africa” racism.

    A speaker at an eastern Washington “tea party” gathering called for U.S. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., to be lynched, drawing laughter and applause from the crowd. Joseph Farah opens TeaBagCon with calls for people to stalk the president with Birther myths, while Tom Tencredo calls for racist literacy tests. Glenn Beck’s 9/12 Project, the John Birch Society, and Oath Keepers- this is the mainstream of the tea party movement. Your in super denial if you think that it’s just simply average working citizens without “out there” views.

    and yes, it does give me a giggle when I hear “teabaggers”. I think it’s really unfortunate for the conservative movement, anyone under 30 could have told you that calling for the “teabagging of congress” would have a double meaning.

      

  31. 31Dane on Mar 26, 2010 at 8:13 pm:

    Good stuff as always Zombie, Ringo.

      

  32. 32Macker on Mar 26, 2010 at 9:45 pm:

    Once Again, zombie rises to record THE TRUTH of the insanity of the Left!

      

  33. 33Starless on Mar 27, 2010 at 5:02 am:

    Bakunin: the extremists within the Tea Party group are what is fueling the so called “average citizen” attendee to more and more extremist themselves while pushing away those average people who no longer wish to be a part of the bottom of the barrel tone of the tea partiers.

    Utter bullshit.

    I’ve never claim that the Tea Party movement is pure as the driven snow nor that it is impossible for it to slip into extremism, but the cries of racism and extremism began before anyone could possibly make a clear assessment of what the Tea Party movement was and they haven’t let up since. The outrage by the Left is almost entirely manufactured with just a few enough incidents to make them feel as though their exaggerations and lies are justified. It’s been all-Alinsky-all-the-time coming from the Left because the Tea Party began and continued as an actual grassroots movement, unlike the current wholesale and widespread astroturf of the Left. You think a political movement in the US that gains a lot of momentum isn’t going to attract extremists? Then you are kidding yourself. But to claim that those extremists are the core of the movement right now is a plain lie.

    Bakunin: and yes, it does give me a giggle when I hear “teabaggers”. I think it’s really unfortunate for the conservative movement, anyone under 30 could have told you that calling for the “teabagging of congress” would have a double meaning.

    I’ve watched for decades as the Left has marched, screamed, carried giant puppets, burned dumpsters, burned flags, burned conservative politicians in effigy, used extremist “fighting words”, vandalised, fought with cops, used the threat of the mob, and generally, in a metaphorical sense, waved their bare asses at “mainstream” America, and all the while they have demanded not only that they not be held accountable for their words and deeds but that they be taken seriously. And in the main, they’ve gotten exactly what they’ve demanded. But when anyone to the right of them even dares to use public demonstrations (the Left’s assumed sacrosanct domain) as a means of political expression, not only are they immediately equated morally with the worst Fascism and Nazism of the 20th century, based on only the slimmest of evidence, but they’re ridiculed in the mainstream press with the most juvenile sexualized name-calling.

    For me, it’s not necessarily the name-calling itself that’s the problem, but the fact that you feel that you’re perfectly and eternally justified in doing so. It wouldn’t even occur to you that an opposing viewpoint in a democracy is not only allowed, but necessary. That maybe you are even obligated to listen and take that viewpoint seriously. The Left has become the Boy Who Cried Racist, all the while plugging his ears and name-calling with the attitude of a smarmy, petulant adolescent so he doesn’t have to listen to opinions he doesn’t like.

      

  34. 34Bakunin on Mar 27, 2010 at 7:36 am:

    It wouldn’t even occur to you that an opposing viewpoint in a democracy is not only allowed, but necessary.

    What an amazingly out there assessment of the left. If you asked any teabagger (teehee) about what they thought, not even about these “real communist” but even the mildly center-left politicians they would decries them as nazi-socialist-communists or what ever Glenn Beck is calling them these days. If your not with the tea party, your not with the country, your not a “patriot”. If I am overstating the extremism of the tea party, your projecting and ignoring the problems.

    It’s a really convenient argument of “all-Alinsky-all-the-time”, that the “enemies” of the tea party are really infiltrating it to make it look bad. Own up to the fact that there are allot of crazies in the tea party; I’m the first to admit that the left is filled with crazies and I’m pretty happy that we are never going to govern a paper bag let alone a country.

    the fact that you feel that you’re perfectly and eternally justified in doing so.

    This is politics; more importantly, this is hyper-partisan politics. How many teabaggers (teehee) engage in childish, smarmy name-calling of the President (and I would argue, often verging on the racist and “he’s a Muslim” bad craziness)? Maybe you should get off your high horse and realize that this is something that is done by both sides of the political spectrum.

      

  35. 35Bakunin on Mar 27, 2010 at 7:42 am:

    I’ve watched for decades as the Left has marched, screamed, carried giant puppets, burned dumpsters, burned flags, burned conservative politicians in effigy, used extremist “fighting words”, vandalised, fought with cops, used the threat of the mob, and generally, in a metaphorical sense, waved their bare asses at “mainstream” America, and all the while they have demanded not only that they not be held accountable for their words and deeds but that they be taken seriously.

    But have they? Obviously not, it seems, ’cause the political change that the radical left has never happened. That is why the majority of people are alienated from the left and that there are 1000 little communist groupuscules in the U.S. all vying for a bigger peice of a very very small pie.

    The only reason Zombie can have a website like this is because she lives in the epicenter of the radical left black hole. Larger cities like New York or DC may have the same, but that’s only due to size.

      

  36. 36Dianna on Mar 27, 2010 at 10:02 am:

    Bakunin:
    But have they? Obviously not, it seems, ’cause the political change that the radical left has never happened.

    I hate to break it to you, but there is a reason the left has not been taken seriously. That reason amounts to people with the sense the gods gave to grasshoppers and ladybugs that the left’s basic position is, “Well, that didn’t work, so let’s do it some more!”

    Never mind the sheer silliness, shrill and offensive rhetoric so often on display by the left. Those are merely a finishing touch of absurdity.

      

  37. 37Bakunin on Mar 27, 2010 at 11:44 am:

    Never mind the sheer silliness, shrill and offensive rhetoric so often on display by the left. Those are merely a finishing touch of absurdity.

    Because “healthcare reform is like the holocaust” isn’t silly, shrill offensive rhetoric?


    ^^^^
    directly in front of the podium and visible to every politician or pundit who spoke at Michele Bachmann’s crazyfest.

      

  38. 38Ringo the Gringo on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:25 pm:

    Bakunin,

    That sign is pretty damn hideous, no doubt about that. When was that picture taken? I don’t think it was last Saturday or we surely would have seen more of it over this past week. I also wonder if it was held by the Lyndon La Rouche supporters who have been showing up at both pro and anti health care reform rallies intent on offending everyone they possibly can with their Nazi imagery.

    The reason I always post more than a hundred pictures after I go to an “anti-war” protest is so I can’t be accused of simply photographing the one or two egregious signs and using them to misrepresent the actual tone of the majority of the demonstrators. Websites such as HuffPo have been sending people out the tea parties to take pictures of offensive signs but they’ve only been able to find a handful at any given event, where as zombie and I always give you dozens upon dozens. And if you look at the people in the background of any of my pictures you will see many more crazy signs. The pictures I post represent the overall tone of the entire protest, where the handful of offensive photographs of rude or offensive signs at tea parties are the exception and do not really represent the mood of the event as a whole.

      

  39. 39Bakunin on Mar 27, 2010 at 5:55 pm:

    The picture was taken at Michele Bachmann’s “house call” on November 5 2009. It was directly in front of the podium the entire time. I have no idea who was holding it, but it seems that no one really had a problem with it. Well, everyone except holocaust survivors.

    What I am saying is that you can take allot of picture of the crazies because the left have driven off those at the start of the Iraq war where the “average citizen”. a the February 15th, 2003 anti-war protest, there was about 100,000 protesters in New York. Now? I bet there is a couple hundred… As time goes by, as the republicans continue to fail, as the Teabaggers (teehee) continue to get angrier and angrier, as it continues to get more extreme, it will drive away those normal folks away. It’s already in the process of that.

      

  40. 40Bakunin on Mar 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm:

    And I think that’s the problem; both the tea parties and the communists are based less on a practical programme, and more based on anger/hate and fear/envy. For the most part, the tea parties (and communists) demands are just rhetoric. What is “Smaller Government” when some of the largest expansions of government have happened under so-called Conservative administrations (Bush and Reagen).

      

  41. 41JesusLovesInfeidels on Mar 27, 2010 at 7:09 pm:

    Be careful Zombie. Judging by the way some folks are posing for you, am afraid your identity might be close to compromise.

    I hope you have it all under control, I really do, as these photo essays are invaluable to those of us too busy working to attend.

      

  42. 42Fenris on Mar 27, 2010 at 7:13 pm:

    Because “healthcare reform is like the holocaust” isn’t silly, shrill offensive rhetoric?

    Tu quoque arguments don’t, or at least shouldn’t, work here. No one here is defending the sign.

    I also wonder if [the sign] was held by the Lyndon La Rouche supporters

    Devil’s advocate time: knowing the LaRouchies, having angered them at a local scale one time too many, they usually have a byline directing to their website or the name of their founder somewhere on their signs, even handmade ones. This probably isn’t theirs.

      

  43. 43CattusMagnus on Mar 27, 2010 at 7:27 pm:

    Bakunin,
    Regarding the link you posted, um yeah, consider the source. He of whom we don’t speak has fallen for fauxtography in the past.

      

  44. 44Bakunin on Mar 27, 2010 at 8:34 pm:

  45. 45Dianna on Mar 27, 2010 at 9:33 pm:

    Arguing about the nuts does nothing.

    It is the majority of either side that is important. The left’s platform speakers are shrill, offensive, and insane.

    The same cannot be said for the majority of the Tea Party speakers. You may take it that I think very little of Michelle Bachman, btw.

      

  46. 46BeukendaalMason on Mar 28, 2010 at 5:27 am:

    There is something I think many are not realising when they look at the picture that Bakunin brought up. Although the Holocaust primarily targeted and exterminated Jews, Dachau (which is specifically pointed out in the banner) was primarily a political prisoner camp. The camp composed mostly of political scapegoats (Social Democrats, Communists, and Capitalists who were supposively part of the Jewish/Masonic Conspiracy), political dissenters, and foriegn political leaders that the Nazi’s wished to “re-educate” (in reality to remove). It is possible that the holder of the banner was trying (and poorly at that) to make a different statement other than “healthcare reform is like the holocaust”. If you look closely at the basis of what seems to be the primary purpose of the Tea Party movement you will see that it was founded to “fight” high taxes and government control (“big government”). I take from the banner a statement along the lines of “if you give the government too much control (as had happened with the Nazis), then this can happen again”.

    But as others have point out, this is one of many banners at the rally, many of which did not try to make the same comparison. While the Tea Party has attracted fringers, they are unlike Communist/Anarchist/”Anti-War”/Pro-Jihad rallies which is centered around those fringers and their beliefs.

    I would suggest that Bakunin (and others) look a little further into his other claims (Birthers and the Washington Tea Party Rally). You will see that Bakunin is far less than honest in his claims on both accounts (big surprise).

      

  47. 47Render on Mar 28, 2010 at 1:43 pm:

    I suppose it would be entirely too obvious of me to point out that historically, the real Bakunin was just another Jew hater?

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    Umhmm…

    Cattus: The ‘shopped backround of those photo’s is really quite irrelevent when compared to the unshopped handshake, isn’t it? One of those people (DeWinter) is the leader of a political party founded by a member of the very first wave of Belgian post-war neo-nazis. That person was handpicked for that leadership role by those very same brown-shirt neo-nazi’s. Are Spencer and Geller still dumping raw BNP press releases on their blogs?

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    Father of David…

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  48. 48Bakunin on Mar 28, 2010 at 7:12 pm:

    If you look closely at the basis of what seems to be the primary purpose of the Tea Party movement you will see that it was founded to “fight” high taxes and government control (”big government”). I take from the banner a statement along the lines of “if you give the government too much control (as had happened with the Nazis), then this can happen again”.

    So, do you think it is legitimate to say equate mild healthcare reform, without a public option, that gives monopoly status to insurance companies, to the nazis?

    But as others have point out, this is one of many banners at the rally, many of which did not try to make the same comparison.

    No one asked to have it taken down, and it was directly in front of the podium where members of the House where giving speeches. It’s the same when a speaker at an eastern Washington tea party gathering calls for U.S. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., to be lynched, drawing laughter and applause from the crowd, or Joseph Farah opens TeaBagCon with calls for people to stalk the president with Birther myths; no one is trying to stop this kind of rhetoric, and teabaggers (teehee) are often left cheering such behavior on.

    My point: I am painfully aware of the failure of the left and it’s amazing power to alienate every regular rational person out there. What I am saying is, if the tea party doesn’t want to continue in the same way, it has to stop making excuses that racism and violent rhetoric isn’t a problem, or scapegoating “the left” as “infiltrators”.

      

  49. 49CattusMagnus on Mar 28, 2010 at 8:40 pm:

    Render,
    It seems that I may have chosen a bad picture to prove my point. My intention was not to promote Beisicht or Dewinter’s agenda or really bring the two men into the conversation at all. I simply wanted to point out that Bakunin’s source of the holocaust photo at the tea party can’t be trusted as he has a history of displaying manipulated images. As for Spencer and Geller, I only visit their blogs once in a blue moon. I find the later to be a bit of a drama queen.

      

  50. 50Render on Mar 29, 2010 at 3:39 am:

    Now why would somebody who uses the name of a historically noted Commie Jew hater and who’s nic is also a link to an IWW website that rabidly supports the anti-Semitic propaganda known as “Israeli Apartheid Week” have the audacity, the sheer unmitigated gall to mention the Holocaust for any reason?

    More to the point, perhaps the little Jew hating Commie prick would be so kind as to enlighten us concerning Elie Weisal’s opinion on the Jew hate festival known as “Israeli Apartheid Week”? After all, we wouldn’t want the hint of (still more) hypocrisy coming from a Commie, now would we?

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    Cattus: Indeed. I suppose I thought it should be taken for granted that the source in question can’t be trusted simply because of the flip-flops from Left to Right and back to Left. (But I suppose I thought anybody using the nic “Bakunin” probably shouldn’t be trusted anyway…)

    He say’s he still supports Israel, perhaps it’s time to question which Israel he supports, the one with the 1983 borders, the one with the 1973 borders, the one with the 1967 borders, or the one with the 1948 borders? After all, he’s rejoined the likes of the erzatz Bakunin found in this thread, who pretty clearly (based on the IWW link) only supports an Israel with the pre-1948 borders.

    It’s been years since I saw one of those blue moons. One of those two is exploiting the war for his own profit, the other isn’t smart enough to understand just how much damage she has done to her own credibility, (and I agree with the drama-queen comment).

    We’re good…

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    Nestor Makhno was a real anarchist. Bakunin was a professional Jew hating thug with a pen and a losers attitude.

    Eight long years of listening to non-stop anti-George W Bush rhetoric and only now is that sort of rhetoric a problem? Sorry Lefty, you reap what you sowed and you sowed that field so very deeply. Deal with it…

    THEY CALLED
    SHERMAN
    INSANE,
    R

      

  51. 51Starless on Mar 29, 2010 at 4:32 am:

    Bakunin: What an amazingly out there assessment of the left. If you asked any teabagger (teehee) [you sound like an idiot when you keep using that term] about what they thought, not even about these “real communist” but even the mildly center-left politicians they would decries them as nazi-socialist-communists or what ever Glenn Beck is calling them these days.

    One of the other things I’ve seen over the past couple of decades is the change in the Left (both far and center) from the ideology which fetishizes diversity and holds tolerance as sacrosanct to an intolerant monolith — as the conservative religious Moral Majority faded, a liberal social New Moral Majority rose in its place. You want to bring up Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, or whatever other Rightist firebrand you want, fine, but I could talk about the editorial boards of pretty much every major newspaper still holding onto life and every single major television news operation (except one). I’m not going to get pulled into a tit-for-tat, tu quoque-style argument with you, though.

    But let’s look at elRushbo. For over twenty years the guy has been saying essentially the same things and throughout that entire time, the Left has assured us that his words are “dangerous” and will lead to an armed Rightist uprising. Hasn’t happened. Or FoxNews. Among a sea of Leftist and Left-leaning television news organizations, there’s a single Right-leaning one and once again, the “tolerant” and diversity-obsessed Left gets its undies in a bunch telling us that their words are “dangerous”. Okay, fine, we’ll set the incredible hypocrisy to the side for a second. If they want to get the vapors over Rush and Glenn Beck then they should have at it. The point where they went over the edge into unacceptable behavior was when they called for actual censorship (Rush and the Fairness Doctrine) and when the White House, the office of the President — the highest individual representative of The People and their Constitution, openly declared war on FoxNews.

    These are just two very public examples, but there’s a general attitude which has grown up on the Left, mainly through the rise of political correctness and identity politicking, that has made it somehow okay for them to tell any opposition to just STFU. That somehow the self-righteousness of their positions justifies their intolerance. I thought I had left the Moral Majority back in the ’80s with bad haircuts and synth-pop, but it turns out they just took up residence with the other team.

    Bakunin: But have they? Obviously not, it seems, ’cause the political change that the radical left has never happened.

    Political Correctness and Identity Politics — two Leftist ideologies which have permeated the culture so fully that most people don’t even notice them anymore. Feminizing and devaluing boys/reinforcing the idea that girls are superior (why, with all of the Title 9 crap out there and male participation in education plummeting like a rock did Obama see the need to create a White House Office of Women and Girls?). “Queerification”. Anthropogenic Global Warming. AmeriKKKa. The list of the impact of Leftist and even Far Leftist agenda items which have succeeded pretty well over the past few decades goes on and on. All of the items on their agenda haven’t succeeded completely, though, and there’s still that stubborn portion of the population which has not completely fallen in line with their agenda and dare to do things like protest against them, that’s what gets them into hysterics.

    The result of this perceived failure is that every single time a so-called conservative groups doesn’t do what the Left deems as correct, they have to preemptively strike with the accusations of extremism and craziness, mainly in the form of calling them racists and Nazis. Who got the ball rolling with the whole Tea Partiers = racists/Nazis? Tea Partiers who demonstrated carrying racist/Nazi signs? Or Nancy Pelosi after she saw or heard about a couple of Mobys at a Tea Party rally? If you look at the evidence, it’s the latter.

    So taking into account the path of the Left over the past few decades, their track record of tactics, and recent history, my assumption has been to really question any accusations of extremism as the core of the Tea Parties. They may eventually go off the rails into nutter land, but some extremists at rallies who can’t necessarily be directly connected to the movement and the results of a shitty, shoddily executed, biased Harris poll aren’t enough to convince me that they have.

      

  52. 52Ernst on Mar 29, 2010 at 8:04 am:

    Just found your blog… very good. Love the photos,essay and comments. A nice mix of intellegence and idiocracy.

    In looking at all the pix in the anti-protest I noticed that many times I was wondering if that was a man or a woman.

      

  53. 53Doctor Jeff on Apr 1, 2010 at 11:05 am:

    Great to see a shiny new Zombie report! In a way, I sort of miss these crazies! I am sad to see Zombie in the fertile crazy area of San Francisco and Berkley get outshined by LA crazies! Interesting to see the antisemitic, holocause denying and now 9-11 denying roots of many of these crazies emerge. Fortunately, the truth is stronger and not something that they can overcome. People love conspiracy theories however. Look at how many people either still believe or feel there is some truth to JFK assasination theories or US govt faking the Apollo mission theories even though they have been thoroughly debunked. Old conspiracy theories never die, they just fade away! I will bet that many of these Palestinian supporters/Israel haters probably don’t know the first thing about Hamas and all of the blood on their hands and exactly who they are supporting. Not quite sure about the connections to the marijuana users, but I suspect (especially in California) that marijuana use rates among left wing radicals has been fairly high for some time, and the marijuana legalization movement has been growing in popularity in general lately.

      

  54. 54hebro on Apr 20, 2010 at 12:30 am:

    i was at this rally as an observer. but the far leftist anti-Israel crowd is pretty familiar with me at this point so it didn’t take too long for them to spot me. but at least that gave me the opportunity to taunt those assholes as i was being escorted out by the cops. anybody want to see some funny political cartoons on in regards to shit like this go to:
    http://sites.google.com/site/holseydportfolio/

      

  55. 55Rudolf the Red on Apr 28, 2010 at 9:26 am:

    I could have owned this rally all by my self. All I need is dirty Che shirt, an Israeli flag, duct tape, tweezers, and a bullhorn. These commie/insane clowns set themselves up for mockery. I miss the old days of protestwarrior. Thanks for the report zombie. My wife is sick of me saying, “OMG, come see this lunatic!” LOL!

      

  56. 56Maui on May 13, 2010 at 12:21 am:

    One can’t help but conclude from looking at these photos, being fugly leads one to communism.

      

  57. 57NifoOtiBoy on Jun 8, 2010 at 5:29 pm:

    Good Lord I’m glad I don’t live anywhere near San Francisco! My sympathies to everyone that has to live around such crazy people.

    Interestingly, I’m not surprised at all to have seen this coalition of vastly disparate ideologies coming together for one ultimate purpose: Anti-Americanism.

    I recently read “United in Hate” by Jamie Glazov which will give anyone all the answers they need if they are confused as to what in the hell communists are doing hanging out with religiously fanatical jihadists, or what radical feminists are doing supporting radical Islamists (who are some of the most misogynistic forces on Earth) or why the communists (who support butchers like Stalin, Lenin, the Castro brothers, and Che and advocate bloody revolutions) have joined forces with “pacifists”.

    If you’re like me and you haven’t been able to figure out what is the deal with Leftists and jihadists making an alliance together (and I’m not just talking about political activists, Ahmadinejad has very close ties with the North Koreans, Chinese, and Hugo Chavez) then you need to read this book. Glazov lays out the past 60 odd years of leftist history, mostly of notable Western leftists, and condemns them with their own words and literature which proves that their ultimate goal is the destruction of capitalism which must be preempted by a destruction of the United States since the U.S. is the most powerful capitalist state. Thus leftists are a fifth column in the U.S. Get the book on Amazon or somewhere else ASAP.

    target=”_blank”>http://www.amazon.com/United-Hate-Romance-Tyranny-Terror/dp/1935071602

      

  58. 58شات كتابي on Sep 27, 2010 at 11:47 am:

    It seems that I may have chosen a bad picture to prove my point. My intention was not to promote Beisicht or Dewinter’s agenda or really bring the two men into the conversation at all. I simply wanted to point out that Bakunin’s source of the holocaust photo at the tea party can’t be trusted as he has a history of displaying manipulated images. As for Spencer and Geller, I only visit their blogs once in a blue moon. I find the later to be a bit of a drama queen.

      

  59. 59Blarg on Mar 22, 2011 at 8:34 am:

    I really don’t understand the jew hate in communist ideology, Consider communism founded by jews, european communism was entirely jewish, and so on. The code pink/other feminists/communists are all jewish organizations.

    There is no sanity with leftists, all they have is white guilt and anti-white hatred.

      

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