Bush as Hitler, Swastika-Mania: A Retrospective

Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:24 am

At recent rallies, town hall meetings and “tea parties,” a few protesters have shown up with signs comparing Obama to Hitler (i.e. depicting him with a Hitler mustache), or displaying swastikas in the context of implying that Obama and/or his administration are Nazi-like.

One would think that this would not be particularly newsworthy, but Democrats, the White House and their supporters are expressing outrage at this “horrifying” and “menacing” turn of events. (Or faux-outrage, at least.) Pundits, bloggers, media outlets and even top politicians like Nancy Pelosi are claiming that such signs are unprecedented, racist, and even that anyone who brings a swastika to a protest must be self-identifying as a Nazi (instead of accusing their opponents of being Nazis). When anyone tries to point out that the Left continuously compared Bush to Hitler and brought swastikas to rallies for six straight years during the Bush era, Obama supporters mock such claims, demand proof, and then try to ignore any individual examples proffered.

Since I had a front-row seat between 2003 and 2008 at anti-Bush protests in the San Francisco Bay Area, where I saw literally THOUSANDS of Bush/Hitler comparisons and swastikas, I thought perhaps it would be useful to compile here in one place a small sampling of them — to prove beyond any doubt that Hitler and swastikas were referenced incessantly at basically every single protest during the Bush administration. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying, as is anyone who claims that people who bring swastikas to rallies are necessarily self-identifying as Nazis.

I’m not saying I “approve” of the new variant of this trend (comparing Obama to Hitler), nor that it is any more clever or insightful than comparing Bush to Hitler; I only post these images here to highlight the hypocrisy of anyone now expressing outrage that Obama could uniquely suffer such an indignity.

The pictures below were all taken by me at protests between 2003 and 2008 in the San Francisco Bay Area. One can easily find hundreds of similar photos on my site zombietime. And I am just one photographer in one city — there are innumerable similar examples by other citizen journalists in other cities across America.

[Update:] Various other blogs have now also posted their own documentation of Bush-as-Hitler signs:
- Ringo’s Pictures has an extensive roundup of Bush/Hitler/Nazi signs from Los Angeles protests, with even more examples than I have here.
- semiskimmed had already published the excellent Gallery of “Bush = Hitler” Allusions as long ago as 2005, with innumerable examples not mentioned here.
- The Sara in Italy blog posted this montage of anti-Bush signs from the last several years, including many of Bush as the Devil, the Joker, a clown, and of course as Hitler and sporting swastikas.
- The various local Indymedia sites have featured countless photos of swastika/Bush-as-Nazi signs in their coverage of protests over the years — such as this prototypical example at the Los Angeles Indymedia site.
- Back in February, the Michelle Malkin site had a post with several Bush-as-Hitler signs made by his detractors.
- The Pink Flamingo blog has some more examples.
- Vocal Minority has some additional swastika protesters as part of a nice essay about the phoniness of the brouhaha.
- The College Politico has an excellent video entitled “Media Caught in Bold Faced Lie About Obama/Hitler Poster” proving that the Obama-Hitler-Mustache posters were created and displayed by Lyndon LaRouche supporters — who are advocating for single-payer healthcare — i.e. they’re at the opposite end of the argument from the main body of anti-Obama protesters.]

(And to prove that the pictures below are all from anti-Bush protests between 2003 and 2008: Click on each image to see it in context as part of its original report.)

(The photos below were not taken by me but were sent in by zomblog readers:)

The following seven pictures were snapped in Los Angeles by blogger Ringo and posted in his own roundup of Bush/Hitler protest imagery at Ringo’s Pictures, where you’ll find dozens of more examples:

This sign originally appeared on the Los Angeles Indymedia site in 2003.

In 2007, Congressman Keith Ellison himself compared Bush to Hitler — and when a member of the House of Representatives did it…absolute silence from the mainstream media.

388 Responses to “Bush as Hitler, Swastika-Mania: A Retrospective”

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1Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 11:48 am:

My, how quickly we forget.

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2Starless on Aug 14, 2009 at 11:50 am:

a few protesters have shown up with signs comparing Obama to Hitler

If you’re talking about the poster at the Dingell town hall, the guy with the Obama-as-Hitler poster was actually a Dingell (and presumably, Obama) supporter.

Beyond this example, I’ve not seen proof of Nancy Pelosi’s claims of swatikas and the like at town hall or Tea Party meetings. And then there’s the Scott swastika thing where no one has been accused nor claimed responsibility, though there’s a nice ABC post which assumes that it must have been the work of right wingers. And then (and then) there’s the debunking of the DHS right winger report where it’s been shown that they lifted their data wholesale from the Southern Poverty Law Center web site and then reversed the SPLC’s conclusions about white supremacists in the military (white supremacists are trying to join the military in increased numbers, veterans are not coming out of the military as white supremacists in increased numbers).

No dissimulation goes too far, apparently.

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3Adam Sullivan on Aug 14, 2009 at 12:12 pm:

Umm.

I don’t get it.

In the case of Bush, he was a Nazi. But Obama is saving the world from Bush’s Nazi-ism.

So calling Bush a Nazi is correct and calling Obama a Nazi is incorrect.

/Posted with heavy sarcasm while also saving “progressives” the trouble of having to forward such an argument.

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4Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 12:13 pm:

The Democrat’s continuing war on Americans is astounding. Obama, Pelosi and Reid actually believe that name calling, berating, lying, belittling and dismissing is the best strategy to save their horrific health care plan. Unreal.

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5Ringo the Gringo on Aug 14, 2009 at 12:21 pm:

Here’s a picture that I snapped at an anti-war demonstration directly in front of the CNN building on Sunset Blvd, in Hollywood:

http://www.ringospictures.com/photos/20080315/120.jpg

Does anyone think that CNN (or any other MSM photographer) would have missed this if the image was President Obama with a bullet hole through his head….and the woman holding the sign were white.

The truth is that every journalist that attended these anti-war demonstrations saw countless scenes such as this but chose not to photograph them. Now, these very same journalist can spot an offensive sign from a mile away, and suddenly newspapers print the images on the front page.

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6Bru on Aug 14, 2009 at 12:25 pm:

Adam Sullivan- As a follow up on your comment, Bush was white, so comparing him to Hitler, who was also white, could not have been racist. Whereas, comparisons of President Obama, who is only half white, to Hitler can only be because of President Obama’s race. All documented; all true.

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7Kini on Aug 14, 2009 at 12:28 pm:

What’s permissible for me, is not for thee

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8Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 12:44 pm:

Here’s a dyed-in-the-wool liberal suggestion - can we agree not to compare our political opponents to Hitler, and to denounce them whenever they occur? Godwin’s law deserves to be taught in every civics class in the country, as far as I’m concerned.

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9D'oh! on Aug 14, 2009 at 1:20 pm:

Good idea, Anonymous, er…liberals go first…

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10Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 1:29 pm:

Yes, let’s now agree to call off all the Nazi stuff. And the devil stuff. And the Darth Vader bits. And while we’re at it, the big-headed puppets too. Eight years of all that insult and invective was enough, don’t you think? Let’s limit all political imagery to puppys and kittens for the next four (and possibly eight) years. We can go back to the “Fvck Whoever” posters if and when a viable GOP candidate shows up. I think that’s fair.

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11Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 1:37 pm:

Dem president and Congress = “Can’t we all just get along.’
Republican president and Congress = “Hitler Fascist Motherf—ers! Di-i-i-i-e!! Die!”
The liberals turn that crap on and off like it’s a light switch and it will be exactly the same bull—- drill the next time Republicans are in the White House and/or Congress. Liberals have all the emotional maturity of 8-year-olds.

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12Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 1:46 pm:

I was just a boy when Nixon was impeached but I was a news geek even then and watched TV news and read the paper. There was a liberal bias back then as well but there were also elements of integrity, professionalism and intelligence that are simply no longer found in the mainstream media.

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13Shug on Aug 14, 2009 at 1:49 pm:

But but but Bush really was Hitler. Obama is Jesus Christ

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14Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 1:59 pm:

Zombie, you ROCK! Thanks for the retrospective =)

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15IslandLibertarian on Aug 14, 2009 at 2:01 pm:

How many “0″s as Hitler have there been?
I’ve yet to see a picture of ONE!
Now, the “Joker” thing is way cool.

Yeah, I know, stop making sense…….

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16bluestateblues on Aug 14, 2009 at 2:10 pm:

a truly stunning collection of photos! thank so much for this blog, you speak for many. it’s the dems who always bring up this hitler stuff, it was pelosi who stated she saw many of these signs & signs similar to it. dems have always been good @ accusing others for their very own practices, & no doubt will continue to do so.
as for the poster of bush w/the bullet: remember they actually made a movie called ‘assassination of a president’? they screened this movie in my area, & not a peep was heard, …not even from bush. how dare anyone criticize our glorious leader?

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17Freedom Now on Aug 14, 2009 at 2:19 pm:

Now all of a sudden the media is worried about civil discourse.

What utter bias.

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18Starless on Aug 14, 2009 at 2:47 pm:

#16 bluestateblues

I have a feeling that Pelosi’s analysis of all of those swatiskas was similar to the President’s analysis regarding local police matters: she didn’t have all of the facts but she decided to come to a conclusion anyway.

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19bluestateblues on Aug 14, 2009 at 3:36 pm:

agreed, the only swastika i see is the 1 in the middle of pelosi’s forehead, lol.

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20Ken on Aug 14, 2009 at 3:36 pm:

Wait, you mean some people are actually claiming that protestors never compared Bush to Hitler?

Come on, man! It is inevitable in political discourse (or, rather, childish political protests) that someone will get compared to Hitler sometime. After all, Hitler is the personification of all political evil and you just can’t demonize someone without comparing them to Hitler.

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21Rodrigo on Aug 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm:

There’s something that puzzles me. I have seen photos of Muslims with posters stating their wish that God bless Hitler:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19291_Muslim_Protesters-_God_Bless_Hitler&only

Now, from this I understand that Muslims consider Hitler a manifestation of Good. But the Left is very pro-Muslim nowadays. So how come “Bush = Hitler” is derogatory for the Left, if their allies hope that Hitler is held on high by God?

Not that I expect any coherent answer from a Leftist, though.

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22Fenris on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:25 pm:

“…and even top politicians like Nancy Pelosi are claiming that such signs are unprecedented, racist, and even that anyone who brings a swastika to a protest must be self-identifying as a Nazi…”

Do you have a link if Nancy Pelosi’s response, or similar? I’d love to reference that on my site.

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23Ghilmeini on Aug 14, 2009 at 5:13 pm:

We are fast becoming a nation of idiots. It was wrong to call Bush a Nazi and wrong to accuse Obama one as well. The nazi comparison is an infantile means of demonizing what people don’t like.

Bush is not Hitler nor is Obama; Hitler was Hitler. He started a war that consumed 55 million lives and left half of Europe under occupation. There is no comparison of this bestial record to either Bush or Obama.

I oppose socialized medicine but I want to win the fight the right way not via the gutter.

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24sarainitaly on Aug 14, 2009 at 5:22 pm:

I did a montage of a sampling of the Bushitler and Bush joker, etc. posters. You have lots here I never saw…nice round up. The montage I did is here:
http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/did-obama-joker-poster-cross-line.html

There is also some interesting background on the Hitler Obama poster that has been carried around to townhalls.
http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/there-is-plenty-of-bs-for-plants-in.html

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25Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 5:46 pm:

so the argument is that anonymous protestors at demonstrations comparing bush with hitler is worse than limbaugh, hannity, beck and various congressmen and representatives comparing obama and the democratic party with hitler on national radio and tv and in government records?

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26Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 6:00 pm:

I mean to amend that: limbaugh, hannity, beck, etc. don’t compare obama or the democrats with hitler–anonymous protestors do that–but do call them socialists, facsists, nazis, again on radio, tv and in the public record. so the argument is that’s not nearly as bad?

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27Roger Godby on Aug 14, 2009 at 6:19 pm:

Fab stuff.

Couldn’t we at least have someone come up with a Obama = Chavez, Mugabe, Lenin (Long Live ‘ong Obama!), Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Mussolini, Khomeini, Che, or some other People’s Hero who typically cared not to fraternize with actual pay-earning good/service-producing people?

It’s like that old Wendy’s ad: “Where’s the diversity?”

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28Gary Chartier on Aug 14, 2009 at 6:47 pm:

I just can’t lose any sleep over this. I understood the people who thought Bush was Hitler; I understand the people who think Obama is Hitler. Frankly, I resonate more with the first group. But so what? I think it’s silly to spend time criticizing either group for a strongly held conviction that naturally finds expression through the use of this kind of political symbolism. People carrying signs linking Obama with Hitler understand the differences between the two. Folks in Congress and the MSM need to find a real issue to talk about and forget about this one.

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29CC on Aug 14, 2009 at 8:33 pm:

Godwin’s law is about as retarded as the ADL telling us we can’t talk about the zionists running Israel. CALL A SPADE A SPADE!! Perhaps Godwin was a Nazi and didn’t want to be outed, so saying “Don’t talk about it” will keep people from finding out the truth. Look up the T4 program, look up how they funded WWII….same crap that is in the healthcare bill. Yes Bush is a Nazi, yes Obama is a Nazi.

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30zombie on Aug 14, 2009 at 8:56 pm:

22 Fenris
“Do you have a link if Nancy Pelosi’s response, or similar? I’d love to reference that on my site.”

Sorry, no time for me to dig up all the links for this post — it’s just a quickie post. However, just go to Google Blog search (http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch/advanced_blog_search) and type in some combination of Pelosi, swastika, Nazi, etc.and you’ll get hundreds of hits. It’s been all over the blogosphere, so I didn’t feel a link was necessary. Also try Google News search (http://news.google.com/news/advanced_news_search?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en).

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31average_guy on Aug 14, 2009 at 9:33 pm:

Zombie:

Thanks for this post.

We have Howard Dean speaking at a local Health Care Town Hall on the 15th at 5:00 PM EDT . I’m sure there will be some actors in the crowd with swastikas, and maybe they’ll be an incident with the Purple Shirts as they protect Governor Dean from the Well Dressed Right Wing Extremists, all well documented by the Mainstream Media, I’m sure. Here is the link to their site: http://www.seiu1199.org

They’re no longer accepting RSVPs but you can watch the event live on their website. I predict that it will be Must See TV.

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32Starless on Aug 15, 2009 at 4:59 am:

#20 Ken

I don’t think so. They’re doing what #28 Gary Chartier is doing and saying that it was no big deal to call Bush Hitler — that it was merely rhetoric. OTOH, if Obama is slandered in the same way, then it’s racism (I don’t know if that’s Gary Chartier’s position, but it is the position of the people who are claiming that there are Nazi images and symbols at town halls and Tea Parties).

#25 &#26 Anonymous

I don’t think that’s the argument at all (and I think you’ve completely missed the point of elRushbo’s rhetoric). The argument is that the Bush = Hitler meme was not only acceptable to the Left but considered completely justified. That it was pervasive throughout all of the major protests by progressives during the Bush 43 era, yet subject to greater MSM scrutiny and criticism now that there are accusations that right-leaning groups are doing the same thing.

If anything, IMO, right-leaning groups are being overly solicitous to the current President and unwilling to lay into him in the full tradition of American mud-slinging for fear of being called racists.

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33Thingumbob on Aug 15, 2009 at 5:01 am:

You know it absolutely amazes me that no one on this mentioned the fact that it is the LaRouche group produced these poaters AND they also compared Bush to Hitler. In fact, they really don’t see any difference between Henry Paulsen or Timothy Geithner. Hmm…

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34Thingumbob on Aug 15, 2009 at 5:15 am:

Maybe some the public that can’t be fooled all of the time is starting to smell liberal and conservative rats. Lets see. The “conservatives” love the insurance type of health care that makes them beaucoup bucks by denying coverage–until they go bust of course. Then the “liberals” come in and squeal that international banks they are too big to fail and we gotta bail em out and have cuts somewhere to pay for it. How about a government doing it for you? AIG and Goldman Sachs, after all, you made such a mess of things.

Now, are you people so dumb as not to see that the whole thing is a rigged dog and pony show? PT Barnum territory here, I guess.

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35zombie on Aug 15, 2009 at 5:27 am:

#24 sarainitaly
“I did a montage of a sampling of the Bushitler and Bush joker, etc. posters. You have lots here I never saw…nice round up. The montage I did is here:…”

Nice job! I have now added an update (in the introduction at the top of this post) which includes links to other sites with Bush-as-Hitler documentation — including yours!

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36Starless on Aug 15, 2009 at 5:28 am:

#33 Thingumbob

Which posters? Where? The one planted poster by a Dingell supporter at the Dingell town hall meeting?

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37libertytree on Aug 15, 2009 at 6:17 am:

Does your government represent you??

http://www.zazzle.com/thelibertytree

Let ‘em know!!

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38Thingumbob on Aug 15, 2009 at 6:31 am:

Here: http://www.larouchepac.com/files/media/obama.pdf

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39jasperjava on Aug 15, 2009 at 6:43 am:

Neither B*sh nor Obama are Hitler. Such comparisons trivialize the monstrosity of the nazi holocaust.

However, B*sh was the leader (you know the German translation) of a militarist, jingoist, ultra-nationalist, white-supremacist pro-war political party. He invaded weak countries for trumped-up reasons, causing wars that killed countless thousands of innocent people. He has lied and deceived the population into supporting this warmongering. He has instituted torture as official government policy, and spied on the citizenry.

What did Obama do? He has proposed improving the healthcare system so that more people have access.

Hitler comparisons trivialize the Holocaust. But if you’re going to make them, one of these is surely more apt.

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40Thingumbob on Aug 15, 2009 at 7:06 am:

Bush’s grandfather Prescott was involved in a coup plot to overthrow FDR and put up a dictatorship, ’tis true. He was trading with the enemy, I.G. Farben, yes. But the policy of useless eaters was the final solution… to what? Why, paying off the WWI war reparations, of course. Today, we are paying reparations for derivative securities. We would have under either McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden. The British Queen just dissolved the government of Turks and Caicos because those wogs just can’t carry on by themselves without corruption. What about the Saudi British BAE Al Yamamah coverup as a matter of national security? You know: the Bush family Saudi friends that were spirited out of the US after 9/11. But Obama is oh so friendly to the same British establishment that tortured his grandfather in Kenya, isn’t he? I think I smell a rat. Hello, any humans out there? Or just bleaters. Sigh.

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41Horse on Aug 15, 2009 at 7:18 am:

There is no cooperating or compromising with liberals as long as they keep playing the zero sum bs scarcity political construct. Their accusations or arguments are without merit as they have already been proven to be wrong repeatedly in the past. Liberal polices have never worked, and will never work. They only want their liberal policies so they can deprive others of liberty. They are authoritarian monsters.

Hitler quickly converted a democratic government to an authoritarian regime using external organizations and forcing laws without debate the people didn’t want. Who does that sound like? Chavez, Castro, Ortega and who else?

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42Starless on Aug 15, 2009 at 7:19 am:

#38 Thingumbob

All you’ve shown is that the Larouche nuts have created a digital document which could be made into a poster. At which Tea Party or ObamaCare town hall meeting did they show up with this poster? I know Larouche and Paulite nuts have shown up at these events but did they carry Obama-as-Hitler signs? Did they carry posters featuring a swastika? And most importantly, were they a central part of the protest? Did the rest of the protesters tacitly stand by and allow them to go unchallenged?

The thing is that the “moderate” anti-Bush protesters seemed to be perfectly okay with the more radical elements participating in their protests, allowed them to be front-and-center, and didn’t make too much of a fuss when radicals used these protests to commit acts of violence. To add to that, the MSM enabled that kind of behaviour by being totally blase about such imagery and rhetoric. When it was Bush, it was perfectly fine to compare the President to one of the most hated men in all of human history, but now that it’s Obama, it’s not.

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43DangerousNate on Aug 15, 2009 at 8:48 am:

Finally, the shoe’s on the other foot.

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44bluestateblues on Aug 15, 2009 at 11:00 am:

starless,….thank you for the accurate, detailed posts. you present the argument in practical, truthful & logical speech.

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45Pork Soda on Aug 15, 2009 at 11:10 am:

Everytime I saw a post where one fo these leftist nuts would be making a comparison to Hitler, I thought of my WWII vet late grandfather spinning 1000 rpms in his grave. It’s open season on anyone who uses the Hitler comparison period IMO.

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46Fenris on Aug 15, 2009 at 11:26 am:

#30 Zombie

Wow, amazing what a little homework can do! Thanks for the suggestion.

Turns out that a lot of Pelosi’s grief is a teense misdirected. A major source for the Obama-Hitler posters is a group called the LaRouche PAC, which actually believes Obamacare doesn’t go far enough: http://thecollegepolitico.com/media-caught-in-bold-faced-lie-about-obamahitler-poster/

That doesn’t mean they’re far-left, of course, because they’re opposed to most social issues Democrats support.

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47sarainitaly on Aug 15, 2009 at 12:11 pm:

Thanks Zombie!

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48Rose on Aug 15, 2009 at 7:25 pm:

EXCELLENT! Thank You for this.

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49Joe on Aug 16, 2009 at 12:36 am:

jasperjava: Go back to your nutroots convention. What a load of crap…

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50Starless on Aug 16, 2009 at 5:19 am:

#44 bluestateblues

Thanks.

IMO, this particular meme is one of the more egregious pieces of misinformation propagated within the media right now. I think it comes from people — the Left, the media, and even some conservatives — assuming from the beginning of this so-called conservative protest movement that the White Supremacists, neo-Nazis, and their racist enablers would eventually use the Tea Parties as an opening to push more moderate voices aside and advocate their odious philosophies. Hell, even I assumed that that would eventually happen even though I supported what the Tea Party protesters were doing.

I assumed, like I think Zombie has done, based on off-the-cuff statistical “analysis” and 8 years of ANSWER protests that even though I couldn’t think of a specific one, there must be at least a few instances of racist nut-jobs showing up at these things with swatika-laden signs. Then Pelosi shot her Botox-creased mouth off about swastikas at these protests as though every other participant had a swastika sign in one hand and a copy of Mein Kampf in the other. And I thought, “Hey, wait minute, I’ve seen a lot of images from a lot of Tea Parties and town hall meetings and I can’t think of a single one which showed a swastika”. I can only assume that one of her staffers told her that so-called conservative protesters were showing up with swastika signs and she took the rumor as truth because of course people who are assumed to be conservative are going to be racists and Nazis. With that, she gave the meme the endorsement of the Speaker of the House.

And that’s the thing — so many people, many without malice or a specific agenda, assumed that it was true that they’re going to make it true regardless of reality.

So far as I’ve seen, the people participating in Tea Parties and town hall meetings are non-professional and non-recreational protesters who are genuinely concerned about the issues they’re protesting. People who don’t understand the significance of Nazi imagery in protesting and likely would find the idea of using such imagery as extremely offensive. Maybe that will change with time, but I really hope it doesn’t.

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51Evil Pundit on Aug 16, 2009 at 6:32 am:

To quote Beautiful Atrocities: “In the future, everyone will be Hitler for 15 minutes”.

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52trespasserswilliam on Aug 16, 2009 at 7:29 am:

First, this whole thing is simply an attempt by the Great Oz (Obama) and his Munchkins (the Democrats, the Left Stream Media, et al.) to get the focus off of what is in the “Heath” Care/Insurance Reform bill. They are up to their old smoke and mirrors routine of trying to distract people from facts and truth.
Second, it is true that there are Obama-as Hitler posters out there, but I think we need to look at a few facts first;
1. The posters are not by conservatives, but rather by a left-wing communist group which supports single-payer health care (like Obama) If you doubt it then just go read some honest journalism here;
http://www.sodahead.com/blog/132745/lyndon-larouche-the-dem-responsible-for-obama-hitler-posters/
and view it here;
http://eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=Gdnz4zprSU
You will not get real, true and honest journalism from the Obama worshipping Left Stream Media.
2. If you do not think that the Left Stream Media is in the tank for Obama then I would like to remind you of this little piece of history;
http://eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=ydSUaGkUkU
http://eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=ydSUaGkU4z
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmI4Y2ZkODE2MzA0NzA1YjVjZjE3M2RhNGJhN2UzOWQ=
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/16/flashback-in-2006-cnns-roesgen
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3724726665271952155
For those that would say that Susan Roesgen has been let go at CNN and consequently that proves the LSM is not in the tank for Obama and his acolytes then I can only ask two questions; Where were the higher ups in CNN when they allowed Bush to be compared to Hitler and it was okay? Where was the “outrage” of the Democrats and the “news” media when she stated that it was a “look alike”?
Don’t kid yourself into thinking their outrage now is anything but bias, Susan Roesgen was an “embarrasement” to them simply because she was honest enough to show how the Left Stream Media, the Democrats in the House and Senate and Liberals really think and feel.
Finally, I will end with a quote from The American Spectator article that I reference above;
“Personally, I don’t think it’s appropriate — or helpful — for any protesters to portray the President in such a light, but this isn’t about me. The point is that when an anti-Bush protester assailed our last president with offensive imagery, Roesgen [the Democratic Party, Liberals and Leftists] viewed it as harmless fun but when somebody dared portray Obama in a similar fashion, she [the Democratic Party, Liberals and Leftists] sanctimoniously attacked the protester on national television.”

Insertions are mine

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53Anonymous on Aug 16, 2009 at 7:39 am:

correct me if i am wrong, but the NAZI regime was SOCIALIST!!!. For all you folks that voted for the current administration, THEY are LEFT-WING, SOCIALIST, DEMOCRATS. As you sit in your house, watch NFL football, and feed your face, they have taken control of the banking industry, housing industry, automotive industry and working on a socialist medical coverage that will set our medical system back to the stone age. Do you think current medical professionals will work under a system that dictates how they must operate . Hell no, these people will retire and you will have incompetent medical staffs, long lines to see them, and cost that will stagger your minds. . If you look at history, one of the first steps SOCIALIST regimes do to take over is to BANKRUPT the country, then take control of all aspects of society (housing, banking, medical, etc.) destroy all the right morals that people have been taught ( religion, ability to think for yourself, everyone is treated equal and work to succeed in life ). SOCIALIST want a mindless, slave-like society that cannot think or function for themselves. You may think i am crazy, but at the end of the first four years of this administration, we will be completely bankrupt, the dollar worthless (because the Chinese by then have decided the dollar is not worth investing in) and anarchy will be the rule of the day. Some economist estimate unemployment to reach 30 milliom. (KIND OF REMINDS YOU OF GERMANY IN THE 1930′S DOESN’T IT). And how have we gotten were we are today. ANSWER- since the last 60’s socialist have taken over America’s EDUCATION system and have been brainwashing the current generation to think like—SOCIALIST !!! (GOOD IS BAD, RIGHT IS WRONG, RELIGION is evil, no worries , the GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING). Socialist hate CHRISTIANITY. It is the last bastion of morals that teaches right from wrong. They are doing everything to destroy it. SOCIALIST thrive when anarchy rules. I am sure i will be attacked by what i have written, but when 2012 gets here, don’t blame me for saying, I TOLD YOU SO !!!!!

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54zombie on Aug 16, 2009 at 11:12 am:

Note: I’ve now updated the report with seven new pictures taken by Ringo over at Ringo’s Picture. See above!

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55Anonymous on Aug 16, 2009 at 11:28 am:

#53 anonymous: in words of one syllable: you are wrong. and don’t shout.
#32 starless: you’re being willfully obtuse if you won’t admit that the shift in hitler and nazi comparisons from nameless protestors to big media personalities like limbaugh, hannity and beck, and republican lawmakers, is worth investigating.

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56Anonymous on Aug 16, 2009 at 12:11 pm:

Here is a video slightly off the actual subject but still involving an animated view of Obama and his politics. Be warned: This is extremely funny and you may be hurt laughing.

http://la-gun.com/manning/

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57MEC on Aug 16, 2009 at 5:04 pm:

Zombie Times- Been reading your site for years and as the norm right on target… keep up the great work….

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58Starless on Aug 17, 2009 at 3:12 am:

#55 Anonymous

You’re wagging the dog, just as the MSM, Lefty bloggers, and Pelosi are doing. They’re making a lot of claims that Obama=Hitler is, and has been since the beginning, an ubiquitous and common theme at so-called conservative protests, but presenting almost* no evidence. There’s insinuation, assumption, and a lot of second (and third, fourth, and so on) accounts but almost no primary documentation.

And contrary to your baseless accusation, I actually am interested in an “investigation”. As I’ve made pretty clear throughout this discussion, I’d really like someone to point to sources which show, as is easily and readily available in the case of Lefty anti-Bush protests, all of these swastikas and Obama-as-Hitler signs people claim to have seen at conservative protests. I’d also like to see an investigation which shows, if such signs are found, whether they started showing up before or after Pelosi’s statement and whether the people carrying those signs are Lefty plants.

Gnash your teeth however much you like over conservative protesters, but at this point these accusations that they are rabid are far removed from reality, particularly when compared to what the Left did during Bush 43.

*See, even I can’t help but hedge on this one.

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59Anonymous on Aug 17, 2009 at 8:41 am:

starless, you’re being disingenuous. look again at what we’ve written. you’ve attempted to manuever the conversation from the comments of media personalities like limbaugh, hannity and beck, and republican lawmakers like grassley and coburn and former gov palin to the comments of individual protestors. my point remains: there is a difference between the comparisons made by anonymous protestors, whether liberal or conservative, and political pundits who have both a bullypulpit and a voice. to wit: search on google under the words “obama hitler protests” and you’ll see any number of photos and posters, few of them on leftist websites. also, roy edroso provided a lovely roundup in april here: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/04/how_rightblogge.php. not willing to trust his bias? go to the webites of limbaugh, hannity or beck and type in the search words “democrat national socialist [or nazi]” and read your fill. go over to cnn.com and watch gingrich attempt to defend the claim of death panels by saying “You are asking us to trust turning power over to the government, when there are clearly people in America who believe in establishing euthanasia, including selective standards” (of course there are such people in america, but they aren’t in government) or watch dobbs discussing the silly question of obama’s birth certificate. and while there may have been some nasty words said about bush and company by leftist protestors in the last eight years, you aren’t going to find any reports of those people packing heat. any way you slice it, media and political conservatives (and how long can fox claim to be both the most-watched news network and not a member of the msm) have upped the ante by trying to deflect genuine criticism of the nastiness of their recent methods with the refrain “but the liberals…” it won’t wash.

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60seguin on Aug 17, 2009 at 9:12 am:

#59

You are also being disingenuous. Dick Durbin compared Bush to both the Nazis and Stalin’s USSR, and Keith Olbermann pretty much specialized in it. (See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG72_ATSTN4 for a starting point). George Soros as well, and he possesses a lot of “voice,” by which I mean political influence and money.

So until I see an “investigation” into those folks and THEIR rhetoric, then I’ll take your “high-minded” objections to be what I assume they are - a case of dishing it out, but not being able to take it.

Oh, and the NSDAP did enact socialist economic policies, except with the compliance of large companies, not in opposition to them (as they would be the sole contractors. Same result, different approach.). So you are, in fact, wrong about that as well.

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61Starless on Aug 17, 2009 at 9:44 am:

#59 Anonymous

WTF are you talking about? The post is about protest signs, which is what I’ve been writing about. You’re the one trying steer the discussion toward conservative pundits and blog comments. I appreciate that you’ve provided a link to some evidence, but your VV link is nothing but a list of statements — not a round-up of protest signs and your Google search brings up a mish-mash of some things which could be conservative protest images with the Nazi imagery, but most which certainly aren’t.

while there may have been some nasty words said about bush and company by leftist protestors in the last eight years

This one deserves a “LMAO”. “Some” nasty words — you’re kidding, right?

you aren’t going to find any reports of those people packing heat

Just bricks, right? Yeah, one report of one guy legally carrying makes for a trend… That’s a strong argument that all conservative protesters are rabid, violent, White Supremacists.

I’m not arguing that if Lefties did it, it’s okay for Righties to do it too. The Nazi accusation is stupid, rhetorically weak, and trivializes the acts of probably the worst sociopathic single-testicled son-of-a-bitch in history. What I am arguing is that the moral outrage on the Left over this issue is (mostly) manufactured and if even true to the extent that they claim it is, they’re in no position to get all morally outraged over it.

You’ve obviously got a hard-on for elRushbo, Hannity, Beck, et al. Great. Have fun with that. I can’t stand Keith Olberman and think it would be cosmic justice if he got ass cancer, but I’m not about to go around saying he should be shut up with a “Fairness” Doctrine or that he should be “investigated”. You know, First Amendment and all of that.

P.S. Try forming paragraphs next time, it helps to make sense out of what you’re trying to say.

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62Starless on Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 am:

#60 seguin

Ah, yes, Dick Dirtbag.

From Rod Blagojovich’s seized e-Bay account (via Iowahawk) — lower right hand corner.

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63Ringo the Gringo on Aug 17, 2009 at 10:54 am:

Thanks for the link, zombie.

I’ve found some more Hitler / Nazi pictures in my collection, as well as some other threatening messages…I’ll update my post later today.

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64Anonymous on Aug 17, 2009 at 1:56 pm:

seguin: dick durbin and keith olberman and george soros are not the leftist mouthpieces you seem to think. and three hardly make the case. also, please pay better attention in history class: the nsdp were socialist in name only. the important thing is that to call what is happening with healthcare “socialism” is ridiculous, unless you intend to argue that all government programs are socialism, in which case you’re damning medicare, medicaid, the postal service, the military and the interstate system with the same brush.
starless: pay closer attention. there were yet another twelve guns making appearances at an arizona town hall meeting today. that’s nearly fifteen in the past two weeks. also, whatever hardon I might have for rush, et.al., I don’t wish any of them ill. your comment about keith olberman speaks badly of you. grow up.

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65Starless on Aug 18, 2009 at 5:05 am:

#64 Anonymous

I have paid attention and see your attempts to threadjack. Classic hysterical Lefty response to reasoned argument — if the argument isn’t going your way, start to cry, “Limbaugh! Bu$Hitler! Evil!” and try to reframe. After what seems like a millennium of that, it’s gotten really tiresome. Your side defeated the Eee-vile Bu$h, put a paragon of identity politics in the WH, and gained control of the gov’t. Isn’t that what you wanted? Isn’t that the change you believed? But it wasn’t enough, right? Because it’s never enough for the Left.

Did I really wish ill on Olbermann? No I didn’t. I said, “it would be cosmic justice if”. In fact, as I do with pretty much everyone else, I wish his life would change into a long and happy one, then maybe he wouldn’t be such a dick.

The only gun-at-rally case I’d seen so far was about the guy somewhere in the southeast(?) who was in fact not actually at the rally and was carrying legally. As far as I understand the AZ case, the guys were also legally carrying (they even cleared their presence with the local cops) and their intent clearly wasn’t to threaten anyone but to make a statement about the Second Amendment. Whether it was wise or not, I really can’t say.

But this thread isn’t about guns at rallies, it’s about protest signs. Specifically protest signs of the Godwin variety. And you have yet to come up with a clear and coherent counter-argument, with evidence, to what Zombie has presented.

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66Hochdorff on Aug 18, 2009 at 9:24 am:

Well done! Keep it up!

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67Squanto McButterpants on Aug 18, 2009 at 3:42 pm:

#30, in other words you have no proof of you claim of “liberal outrage.” Thanks for much ado about nothing.

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68Anonymous on Aug 18, 2009 at 5:48 pm:

starless: I hope you didn’t wake your mom with your shouting. you are unable to negotiate the difference between individuals carrying signs and multibillionaires and lawmakers making baseless accusations, or between evidence and screed, or between what’s legal and what’s right. one shouldn’t have to tell people “don’t bring your guns to a political event.” thoreau said the unexamined life isn’t worth living and you’ve proved him right. vacationtime’s over for me–I’ll let you boys (and I’m certain you are all boys whatever equipment you might have) go back to your insurrection–some of us have to work.

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69Squanto McButterpants on Aug 18, 2009 at 6:21 pm:

Remember when this website used to make fun of people like Starless? Now it caters to them.

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70Anonymous on Aug 19, 2009 at 3:50 am:

Here’s the thing. Obama is trying to insure all Americans, Bush was invading other countries based on lies.

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71Starless on Aug 19, 2009 at 5:18 am:

And here come the ad hominem attacks. Why not get to the point, go full-on Godwin, and just come right out and call me a “Nazi”? You know you want to.

#68 Anonymous

You’ve evidently gotten it into your head that this post was about bloggers, pundits, and their rhetoric. The only way in which Zombie refers to them is in how they’re commenting about Righty conservative protesters and the signs they’re carrying. Either you’re so focused on pundits and bloggers you despise that you can’t think of anything else, or you’re being, to borrow a term, “disingenuous” and purposely obtuse in order to threadjack.

Now feel free to declare yourself the only adult in the room and go off in a huff.

#69 Squanto McButterpants

Please explain. Tell me where I’m being a wing-nut. Better yet, tell me how I’m wrong. I asked what I thought was a simple question at the beginning and presented an hypothetical later on. I have, in fact, been openly asking someone, anyone, to present evidence to prove me wrong, yet the only evidence anyone’s been able to come up with so far has been sketchy at best. I don’t think anyone is required to go out of their way to prove me wrong, but frankly, I thought someone would quickly post a link or two (assuming that the Lefty claims about the ubiquity of swastikas and other Nazi imagery at conservative protests reflected reality) showing me that I was wrong and if someone had done so, I would have gladly said, “Oh, okay, I hadn’t seen those reports”.

Or did I hit a nerve by saying mean things about Keith Olbermann? Maybe the Wanda Sykes reference was too obscure. Regardless, let’s all cry for Keith Olbermann–he’s a poor unappreciated pundit slaving away on cable.

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72Roger on Aug 19, 2009 at 11:15 am:

Just a point in fact. A few of those pics are of Charles Manson, not Hitler. Not that I care either way. Call whomever you want a nazi, by doing so you are ending the arguement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law

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73Great! on Aug 19, 2009 at 4:24 pm:

I have seen and read lots of good comments and information here from many. What I missed are the comments about how to approach FIXING this crud and ridding the country of the treasonous traitors currently elected in the Congress and Senate who are shredding the Constitution into a Communist Socialistic Regime.

The time is NOW!

JOIN OR DIE!

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74Ken on Aug 19, 2009 at 6:35 pm:

“the treasonous traitors currently elected in the Congress and Senate who are shredding the Constitution into a Communist Socialistic Regime”

::eye roll::

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75Dave Surls on Aug 20, 2009 at 5:51 pm:

“At recent rallies, town hall meetings and “tea parties,” a few protesters have shown up with signs comparing Obama to Hitler”

Yeah, that might be a little more outrageous if only the Democrat Party DIDN’T have a long history of systematic fascist-like behavior.

Just one example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzanar

If your political party is going to act like the Nazis, don’t be surprised if people start comparing you to Nazis.

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76Dave Surls on Aug 20, 2009 at 10:00 pm:

“However, B*sh was the leader (you know the German translation) of a militarist, jingoist, ultra-nationalist, white-supremacist pro-war political party.”

Uh huh.

In America you have a choice between two political parties, the one that brought you an armed insurrection in defense of race-based slavery, Jim Crow, and four bloody foreign wars in the last 100 years, with 600,000 American war dead, or the Republicans. Personally I prefer the Republicans.

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77Steve on Aug 22, 2009 at 3:02 am:

#53:

“correct me if i am wrong, but the NAZI regime was SOCIALIST!!!.” You’re wrong. They had the name Socialist, but in 98% of their practices, they were a fascist dictatorship.

“…the current administration, THEY are LEFT-WING, SOCIALIST, DEMOCRATS.” Nope. This administration has been Center-Right and corporatist. They have bent over backwards to try to compromise with the extremist Right, when this is clearly pointless, and they have given virtually no victories to or advocacy for the Liberals, who are looking for single-payer health care, an end to the war, increased gay rights, infrastructure modernization, green energy, regulation on the banks, a restoration of civil liberties (including the 4th amendment), and the investigation and (if necessary) prosecution of government crime. Obama has been very weak on every one of these issues, and his approval rating drops have mostly been due to the disenchanted Left.

“…working on a socialist medical coverage that will set our medical system back to the stone age.” Wrong again. They are working on (in between foolish, weak compromises to Health-sector-bribed Republicans and Corporatist “Blue Dogs”) a public option which will ideally bring costs down and cover the uninsured in the same way as public schools and the post office are cheap, adequate-ish services which provide a net for the larger society. A single-payer system, which is not being discussed, would at least be “socialized insurance” (i.e., Canada). For “socialized medicine”, the government would have to employ the doctors (i.e., the UK), and nothing even slightly close to this is being proposed, even by the 65 or so recently-coalesced Anthony Weiner Liberals in the House.

“Do you think current medical professionals will work under a system that dictates how they must operate (?)” They already do. The insurance companies actively tell doctors what patients to treat and how much to treat them.

“one of the first steps SOCIALIST regimes do to take over is…take control of all aspects of society (housing, banking, medical, etc.)” It was the Bush administration’s idea to “take control of” the banks, if by this you mean lending them taxpayer money. This was not an issue culled from the Democratic Congress.

“…destroy all the right morals that people have been taught…” The Right excuses the immense immorality of its leaders (and their hypocrisy and illegal or fraudulent acts related to this.) There have been over thirty significant Republican Politician scandals involving sex, bribery or fraud since 2005. Yes, if pressed, I can name at least 15 off the top of my head. The Democrats have also had many scandals, but immorality in government is not the innate fault of “socialist” ethics.

“…( religion, ability to think for yourself, everyone is treated equal and work to succeed in life ).” The Right talks about religion but does not adhere to most Biblical principles. Would Jesus really eschew helping the poor and healing the sick for an insurance company oligarchy who only covers those people it considers too healthy to be a risk to the trillions of dollars they pocket?
The Democratic party is so weak in being able to pass significant legislation specifically because its big tent of constituents think _too much_ for themselves. The current movement of stringent, intractable parroting of talking points and extremist rhetoric is the Conservative movement. Charlie Crist, Meghan McCain, Joe Scarborough, Michael Steele, Phl Gingrey, Colin Powell, Arlen Specter, George Voinovich and Rudy Giuliani have each had moments in the past couple of years of thinking thoughts at least slightly different from the accepted Conservative rhetoric, and each has been thoroughly chastised into apology, marginalization, ridicule or savage contempt by overwhelming Conservative opinion. John McCain was not truly accepted into the movement because of differences on a few policy issues, virtually every one of which he renounced in order to with the Republican primary in 2008. Specter was encouraged to leave the party entirely. And a true Conservative, Ron Paul, was viciously marginalized by the Established heads of the movement because his brand of Conservatism included an end to the war.
The Republicans voted strongly against the Ledbetter bill which would have allowed compensation for unequal pay between men and women. They have long fought for discrimination against gays in the workplace. Pat Buchanan, while arguing against the “affirmative action” component of Justice Sotomayor’s nomination, lobbied Nixon to appoint a Catholic justice based entirely on its resultant demographic effect.

…at the end of the first four years of this administration, we will be completely bankrupt,… Possibly, but more because of the costs of the wars Obama inherited and the economic collapse contributed to by both sides than because of his (mostly necessary) spending. Obama has not done the wisest job of spending money toward the greatest economic multiplier effects thus far (his stimulus bill is only 20% spent), but it is generally assumed that he has saved America from a Depression. We are headed toward bankruptcy as a result of the last 30 years of neglect, fraud, war, gridlock (including the anomalously constant abuse of the filibuster since the Right became the Congressional minority in 2007), welfare (but including corporate welfare, not just subsidies of the poor), the increased life expectancy of and population growth of the citizenry, and …a broken, massively expensive health system which the Right is fighting to keep almost completely in tact.

“Some economist estimate unemployment to reach 30 milliom.” And others predict a slow but steady recovery over the next 3 years. Maybe they will be wrong–maybe everyone will be wrong. But taking a number which is not widely held as likely is not a convincing stepping stone for a presumption that we are imminently headed into Nazi Germany.

“SOCIALIST thrive when anarchy rules” Anarchy thrives when anarchy rules. Socialism is a very organized governmental system–you falsely compared it to Hitler’s model. One could argue that Libertarianism, in which Government is left out of people’s lives almost entirely, is closer to Anarchy, which is a practice of no recognized central authority. The fact that Socialism and Anarchy both sound “scary” and “un-American” to you does not mean they are related, nor that one in any way causes the other.

“but when 2012 gets here, don’t blame me for saying, I TOLD YOU SO !!!!!” I won’t. I’ll blame you for not knowing anything about our political system. It is deeply broken, with Democrats being so pathetically weak, and having lurched so far Right since 1981 that they are mostly on the Right side of the spectral center, thus completely abandoning the principles of their Liberal base, and with Republicans so confusing patriotism for nativist xenophobia, “free market values” for war-profiteering and massive corporate theft, morality for self-righteousness and freedom for authoritarianism that they are now essentially a new Southern Confederacy of warmongering, white-supremacist, paranoid conspiracy theorists whose agenda is only to block Democratic initiatives and willingly spread misinformation about the cause of the country’s problems. So yes, you have a right to be upset. But you have an obligation to stop listening to AM radio and FOX and do some actually comprehensive research.

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78Dave Surls on Aug 27, 2009 at 12:49 am:

“correct me if i am wrong, but the NAZI regime was SOCIALIST!!!.”

‘You’re wrong.”

No, he/she is correct. The Nazis were, in fact, socialists.

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79Dr. Robotnik on Sep 4, 2009 at 8:33 am:

39jasperjava and Anonymous 70,

You two missed an opportunity! You didn’t use the “Military Industrial Complex” or the “Big Pharma” terms in your comments. You didn’t even say “Bush Lied, People Died” or “No War For Oil”. I must say I’m dissapointed that you two are not using all of your available talking points. I will give you credit for using the “B*sh” moniker because you are just so angry that you cannot eve type his name.

Now try harder next time.

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80Anonymous on Sep 4, 2009 at 1:08 pm:

Nice try, but some of you should take a class on Photoshop before attempting to rewrite history…

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81NH on Sep 9, 2009 at 5:05 pm:

The word ‘chickenhawk’ is so improperly used.

A chickenhawk is a male pedophile who likes little boys.

I think what they meant was ‘warhawk’.

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82NH on Sep 9, 2009 at 5:06 pm:

The difference is Obama *IS* Hitler.

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83Chris Lamb on Sep 10, 2009 at 6:01 am:

Google “Tu quoque”

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84justmeWL on Sep 11, 2009 at 10:57 pm:

I don’t think you want to push those posters too hard because anyone with half a brain knows that regardless of who is holding the poster the Republi-Thugs has paid them big $$$$$ bucks to pose with this photo and you think the people are idiots to believe that the Dems did this. Just another aspect of your twisted mentality.

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85rain of lead on Sep 12, 2009 at 5:16 am:

hey Zombie,
another great post
just wanted to say,I have dropped my account with LGF, when the whole van jones thing exploded and charles was defending the guy and just blew you off,and then defended acorn (?!?!) I knew for me anyway it was time to go.
it’s sad because lgf was what got me into the blogsphere,but to qoute Zell Miller “I didn’t leave lgf,lgf left me
lgf has changed and not for the better
you rock,keep fighting the good fight

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86David on Sep 14, 2009 at 8:22 am:

Blah, blah, blah…

Godwin’s law. Democrats make president-as-Hitler posters when Republicans are in office, Republicans make president-as-Hitler posters when Democrats are in office. Each thinks the other is an idiot, when in fact both are idiots.

It’s called free speech, deal with it douchebags.

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87Anonymous on Sep 17, 2009 at 4:43 pm:

David I agree it doesn’t matter when it happened it was wrong, and it is the right wing/ left wing, heck what ever wing media that is driving this country into hate. All the news you get is slanted to draw people in, stop reacting and start researching the answers your self.

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88Anonymous on Sep 21, 2009 at 2:15 pm:

Obama is out doing Carter and is now holding the title of worst president in the world

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89Daniel Johnson on Sep 25, 2009 at 7:25 am:

Here’s the difference: George Bush did and said a lot of things that Hitler did and said. George Bush lied to the public to push foriegn wars and curtail freedoms at home. His speeches were often almost exactly word for word from Hitler speeches about the same subjects. Comparing George Bush to Hitler was factually and historically accurate. The right wings cheap ploy of “turning the tables” is cute, but not accurate. Obama is a whole different monster, and someday politicians will be referred to by opponents as “Obamas” when they rise to power by opposing an administration that’s known to be corrupt and then make a big deal over minor, mostly symbolic, changes while they actually cover up, clean up after and/or maintain the corrupt policies of the previous administration. But that’s every president, I guess, because those policies always benefit the wealthy elite who own and control the major political candidates. “Obamacized” might become a word for someone who the media portrays as radically different from his predecessor but is actually exactly the same. Bush gave away taxpayers money to the wealthy welfare bums by starting wars, because U.S. heavy industry can’t actually compete in a free market and needs the subsidies to stay afloat. At least Obama just gave them straight out welfare without orchestrating mass murder to camoflage it. Yet. Though Obama isn’t quite ready to get his own war on, and it’s anybody’s guess who the next enemy will be, what you can bet on is that Obama will start a war of his own because the U.S. has invaded at least one new country per presidential term for the past 100 years regardless of who’s in office, even if they’re still fighting a different war somewhere else already. What the U.S. needs is real democracy, which means referendums on major issues and a return to state jurisdiction over criminal law because representational systems are always corrupt, especially federalized systems because they concentrate too much power in too few hands.

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90Dave Surls on Sep 25, 2009 at 2:16 pm:

“Comparing George Bush to Hitler was factually and historically accurate.”

About as accurate as comparing Shirley Temple to Muhammed Ali.

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91An American Joe on Oct 16, 2009 at 8:48 am:

Obama in a little over six months makes Bush look like a Saint!

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92Jimmy on Oct 27, 2009 at 8:16 pm:

I predict that in the future everyone will be called hitler for 15 minutes….

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93Finrod on Nov 6, 2009 at 7:34 pm:

And now it comes full circle. Robert Gibbs, White House Press Secretary, had the unmitigated gall to utter this load of horsecrap:

You hear in this debate, you hear analogies, you hear references to, you see pictures about and depictions of individuals that are truly stunning, and you hear it all the time. People — imagine five years ago somebody comparing health care reform to 9/11. Imagine just a few years ago had somebody walked around with images of Hitler.

Yeah, Robert. Imagine that.

Here’s a YouTube video with audio of Gibbs saying this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8b4dqne6y4

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94SadButTrue on Nov 6, 2009 at 11:15 pm:

Liberalism is a mental illness caused by low self esteem.

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95Joe in N. Calif. on Nov 7, 2009 at 10:38 am:

I used to be a CA bleeding heart. Then about 25 years ago I started to really listen to what the left was saying, wathcing what it was doing, comparing it all to the Consitution, and the words of the founders of our Republic. I watched the ‘peace protester’ throw regular riots. I watched those of the o, so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive left shout down, browbeat, and exclude anyone who dared to try to express anything contrary to the official policy on the cause of the month. I watched as the Dems went from caring about the individual to only caring about the cause or the group.

I’ve watched for about 40 years as the left tended and harvested their vineyard of hate, division, racism, and intolerance. Now, they have uncorked the vintage they have so carefully laid down, and are finding it sour and bitter. Be prepared to drink it to the dregs, since this is the fruit of your labors. The tactics being used now by some moderates and conservatives are exactly the same as what the left has used to great effect for 40 years. When you see moderates and conservatives mobbing a meeting, you are looking in a mirror and seeing yourselves.

I think what is being pointed out here it the utter hypocricy of the left and the media, what was acceptable and encouraged when Pres. Bush was in office is suddenly racist an ugly now that the former junior senator from IL is behind the desk in the oval office. Here is a clip of Nancy to help illustrate my point, compare her actions in it to her condemnation of the current protests. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSO8nUl5phk

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96Tom on Nov 7, 2009 at 11:43 am:

Finrod, is there a reason that you didn’t put quote marks around Gibbs’ actual, you know, quote?

What is it about the web that makes certain people think it’s OK to dismiss precision in communication? It’s just weird. If I go to the trouble of conveying an important bit of information to the world — and Finrod’s post is an important bit of information — I do my best to ensure that it is as clear and legible as possible.

Yet here’s Finrod, just merrily slapping Gibbs’ remarks in the middle of his own post, as if they’re Finrod’s own words:

Finrod:
And now it comes full circle.Robert Gibbs, White House Press Secretary, had the unmitigated gall to utter this load of horsecrap:
You hear in this debate, you hear analogies, you hear references to, you see pictures about and depictions of individuals that are truly stunning, and you hear it all the time. People — imagine five years ago somebody comparing health care reform to 9/11. Imagine just a few years ago had somebody walked around with images of Hitler.
Yeah, Robert.Imagine that.
Here’s a YouTube video with audio of Gibbs saying this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8b4dqne6y4

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97Trish on Nov 9, 2009 at 12:54 pm:

The hypocrisy is astounding! Turn about they say is fair play, and all these whining liberals deserve a crapload of tunrabout! Just google the words “hate Bush” and over 23,000,000 (yes that’s millions) reprhensible sites come up. The anti- Obama policy stuff I’ve seen, is grade school in comparison, and far more clever than the disgusting foul things liberals came up with for 8 years.

http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS339US339&q=hate+bush&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=pXL4SqrLCorasQOOsaTwCQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQsAQwAA

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98Daniel C. on Nov 9, 2009 at 11:16 pm:

I am sick and tired of listening to liberals tell me how fair they are.That includes the liberal run media.
At the start of the elections Obama said that families were off limits.What happened?The media drags Palin thru the mud because her 17 yr old daughter was pregnant.To this day they still cant resist taking cheap shots at her.
David Letterman,a self-rightous liberal,is found to be a womanizing cheater and liar.
How long does the liberal run media run that story?Not long.
Pelosi calls conservative protestors “astro turf”.
What was said about the liberals who showed up at a McCain rally with signs calling Palin a c**t?Nothing.
Obama himself said in his book,Dreams of my Father,that in order to get ahead he would have to disown his white heritage.
And you wonder why conservatives don’t trust him.

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99Neal on Nov 11, 2009 at 8:15 pm:

Other than comparing Joe Stalin to Hitler, any political idiot on either extreme, to compare someone (like Obama or Bush) to Hitler shows his/her complete lack of knowledge of the horrers that went on in Europe in WW II. At least SIX MILLION innocents put to death. This is as evil as those who deny the Holocaust!! They TRIVIALIZE the horrors!! You all make me sick!! How sad there are so many jerks in todays world!!

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100mike on Dec 1, 2009 at 9:51 am:

I know firsthand why there was a lot of hate shown toward bush. Not only what he did, for that anyone could disagree without anger, but how he did it. How the entire administration did it. They called anyone who opposed them anything from un-American to a traitor. REPEATEDLY. It’s one thing to be called a traitor by a right-wing nutcase, but to have a sitting Presidential administration single out an entire group of the population - I’m not surprised there was anger. That anger was in response to anger from the right.

But that’s what gets me about the right’s hatred of Obama. I can’t understand how the level of hatred got this intense. Maybe someone could explain to me why people relish the thought of Michelle becoming a widow.

I didn’t do too much searching it kinda sickens me, but heres a clip of a town hall with barney frank where a girl (and I believe the woman seated nearby) have signs of Obama-hitler. It’s a shame there’s people like this out there on either side, but it’s just as bad to have those who defend ‘em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

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Obama is a blow hard and does not know how to fight and win a war whether in Afghanistan or here at home-and I do not believe he wants to win because if he wanted to win he would send enough troops to crush the enemy as fast as possible and save innumerable lives, instead he talks out three sides of where his sun don’t shine: his Secular, Muslim, and Christian sides to appease deluded morons….Obama does not listen, to his general who wanted 60,000 troops, or to the American people fighting the war of cultural conflict and subversion going on in our communities….People should not always play follow the leader-remember what happened with Hitler and a number of other famous dictators….
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102chris on Mar 9, 2010 at 11:30 pm:

I agree that it’s dum how suddenly the Hitler thing is bad - it should always be. However, I think it’s important to note that - no offense - that’s San Francisco…and the community there is ALWAYS angry…I would bet even with Obama in office, they are still doing just as many anti-war rallies…whereas the Tea Partiers are in “middle america”, so they get more attention. Just my two cents.

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Thank God he is out of office…

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104Gross exagerations on Mar 29, 2010 at 4:59 pm:

Your correct, Bush - hitler signs seemed to be the rage. One thing your missing. Except for one photo taken in 2003 all the rest were from 2005 or later. If you remember by 2005 we all new there were no WMD’s, Nuclear weapons, or ties to Al Queada. Not to mention Black Water, 12 billion dollars MIA, and Haliburtons no bid contracts. Back to current events, do you really believe Obama has earned this same treatment over a health care bill that closely resembles Bob Dole’s(R) attempt at health care in response to Clinton’s health care plan? On the surface these two uses of the Hitler imagine may seem to balance each other out. but, only on the surface not in the depths of the issues.

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105QLineOrientalist on Apr 3, 2010 at 10:59 am:

What the Right calls Hitlerite is a program of healthcare about as extreme as the Massachusetts program fostered by Republican Mick Romney. Comparing Bush to Hitler over limited suspensions of civil liberties and launching an unprovoked war is ridiculous. But comparing Obama to Hitler over his healthcare bill is just insanity. Do you see the distinction?
I’m a liberal and went to loads of demonstrations against Bush’s invasion of Iraq and so on. I always opposed the abuse of Hitler comparisons.
BUT–
1) Bush was selected by the Supreme Court the first time around and won on votes tallied by easily-hacked voting machines, in one case manufactured by a company whose CEO had promised to deliver the election to the Republicans.
2) Soon after the election, we got the 9/11, the undeniable result of gross negligence on the part of the Bush administration, which had been bombarded with memos alerting it to an imminent attack. Many of Bush’s enemies could not believe that this was due to simple gross incompetence and believed that this was a sort of Reichstag fire used to stampede the American people into accepting drastic restrictions on civil liberties and march the country into a senseless war (crime against the peace, a war crime under the Nurenberg Principles) This includes the introduction of torture as a tool of interrogation, against the advice of American interrogation experts.
3) Bush’s alignment with the forces of intolerance, particularly the Christian Right alarmed many people who favor a pluralistic society.
Now compare this with Obama as Hitler. What do the Teabaggers have to bolster this claim? Well, zero actually. He was voted in to support health care reform and is acting on his mandate. Americans used to oppose these reforms, in my opinion because they had been bombarded with disinformation by Hate Radio. But, according to a recent poll, a plurality now supports it. The worst that can be said about him is that he is allowing some of Bush’s policies to persist, but I’m sure that’s not what the Right is all fired up about.
Anyway, the Right will keep beating its breast about how misunderstood it is and gin up its feelings of victimhood. Pathetic, really.

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106QLineOrientalist on Apr 3, 2010 at 11:00 am:

Oooooooooops
That would be Mitt, not Mick.

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107Shane on Apr 13, 2010 at 11:53 pm:

jasperjava: What did Obama do?He has proposed improving the healthcare system so that more people have access.Hitler comparisons trivialize the Holocaust. But if you’re going to make them, one of these is surely more apt.

He’s still putting troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing innocent people in Somalia, Pakistan, and Yemen. He hasn’t repealed the Patriot act, which is unconstitutional. He hasn’t closed down Guantanamo Bay or any other military base for that matter, which is costing us billions to maintain and makes us more enemies than friends. And, he’s gearing up for another war with Iran over “Weapons of Mass Destruction” (remember that old line.).

Obama is not Hitler. Obama is Bush.

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108Me on Apr 30, 2010 at 12:38 pm:

So? Bush Jr *was* the closest we’ve ever come to fascism in this country. Naziism was fascism plus a virulent, organized genocide that thankfully was missing in the Bush Jr administration. So I would have compared Bush Jr to Mussolini, not HItler.

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109J. Friend on Jul 14, 2010 at 9:54 am:

This simply proves that the extremes of both parties - Republican right and Democrat left - or even simply the right and the left have many traits in common. This includes religious, secular and political extremes. At the extremes there is really no rational direction. It makes me more comfortable to related to centrist where one can have both conservative and progressive leanings and talk rationally with others who are not blinded by extremism and search for a reasonable and practical solution to issues. My real concern is to prevent one of these wings from gaining control for at that point we are in danger of losing our liberty.

Joe, one of the village elders.

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This is proof that the left wing people lack intellect. They don’t even know what nazi means. The term “nazi” simply means “national socialist” and Bush was no socialist. I sit back and observe the lefties in this great nation make complete fools of themselves and see why this country is in the mess that it’s in. The left definitely is to blame for this nation’s problems. NO idea for a better society ever came from the left, their ideas simply do not work, so what makes anyone think the the left has any intellect. I feel intellectually superior when I am around the left wingers or (liberals).
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GEORGE W. BUSH
Dec 18, 2000 … If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.

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115don on Jan 20, 2011 at 5:22 pm:

the difference between Bush V Obama . Obama is called a nazi for promoting life saving health care legislation . Bush is called a nazi for starting an illegal war and killing , depending on the source , 100,000 to a million or millions of innocent civilians ; men and women , boys and girls , babies and the elderly . Okay we cannot compare George Bush to Adolf Hitler but , can we compare the next war criminal that gets off scott free , to George Bush ? George Bush is no less a monster than any leader that uses his position and power to destroy lives and societies . people died . he killed innocent people . his friends and he benefitted . his actions were criminal , heinous , ugly … Genghis Khan like … Christopher Columbus like … no less than genocide like . Hitler would be proud to call him friend . George could hang out with the best of them .

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not that I liked Hitler in any way, thouhg my father was a member of WaffenSS, but sometimes I come to think: how would the world look today if Hitler had succeeded in killing off the Jews, before he was defeated? (there would bee no state of Israel then)
I dont think Lefties in particular love Muslims, I think the love all decent people.

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