New at zombietime: John Holdren and Harrison Brown

Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:59 am

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John Holdren and Harrison Brown: Lifelong intellectual infatuation with eugenics-minded futurist casts shadow over Science Czar Holdren’s worldview

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1Bakunin on Aug 5, 2009 at 12:32 pm:

Obama Science Czar was inspired by someone who believed in eugenics. The nazis believed in eugenics. Therefor, Obama is a nazi.

Looking forward to when you have an expose on the missing birth certificate, FEMA re-eudcation camps and forced national service.

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2Reine on Aug 5, 2009 at 1:24 pm:

Zombie - I particularly liked the section where you explain why this is important even though it was all written by Holdren a long time ago. Tells folks upfront why it’s important to have this information today.

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3CattusMagnus on Aug 5, 2009 at 1:55 pm:

You’re doing a great service Zombie.

Ever read “Eugenics and other Evils” by G.K. Chesterton? I’m in the middle of it and it’s quite good. Published in 1917. Isn’t it amazing how times don’t change? And isn’t it interesting how you can learn so much about a person’s character if you just find out who their heroes are? And Holdren first read Brown in high school?! WTF? How did Brown’s books get into a high school curriculum? I at least have to give Brown credit for openly stating that the implementaion of his policies would require the destruction of individual liberties and sovereign nations. At least the bastard is honest. Let’s hope that the people awaken to see who Obama surrounds himself with.

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4zombie on Aug 5, 2009 at 2:20 pm:

#1 Bakunin

Obama Science Czar was inspired by someone who believed in eugenics. The nazis believed in eugenics. Therefor, Obama is a nazi.

Looking forward to when you have an expose on the missing birth certificate, FEMA re-eudcation camps and forced national service.

Do I say Obama is a Nazi? No. I do not. In fact, Obama’s name is not mentioned anywhere in the report.

Do I even say that Harrison Brown is a Nazi? No, I do not. I specifically point out that he was NOT a Nazi, in fact.

So your mischaracterization of my report is totally wrongheaded.

Your attack has no traction whatsoever. You are ascribing to me things I did not say in the slightest.

My report is very precise and quite on-target: I say exactly what I mean to say and nothing more: Harrison Brown was a eugenicist; Holdren worshipped Harrison Brown. That’s all I say, and that’s all I need to say.

And no, I don’t believe in the whole birth certificate craziness nor in the “FEMA re-education camps” (whatever that is — never even heard of it).

Sorry. Try again.

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5zombie on Aug 5, 2009 at 2:23 pm:

#2 Reine:

Good — glad to hear that section was important to you! It felt odd jumping ahead of myself to present that info before even giving the basic evidence (the scans of the quotes), but I felt it was necessary for just the reason you pointed out.

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6zombie on Aug 5, 2009 at 2:25 pm:

#3 CattusMagnus:

No, I haven’t read that G.K. Chesterton book. Sounds interesting!

I’m not sure that Holdren read Brown’s book as part of his high school curriculum. Maybe he only read it while in high school, but not as part of a school assignment.

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7anon on Aug 5, 2009 at 3:11 pm:

Since you are in Berkeley, you might get lucky and see if get some local faculty to comment, starting with Birgeneau.
Holdren was, after all, on the UCB faculty until the mid 90s. See if anyone in the ERG group wishes to comment (Harte, Kammen). Maybe Brown’s book (or ‘ecoscience’) is required reading in some courses at Cal, Harvard or elsewhere.
If Holdren did not require this text in any class, one might wonder why not (maybe he new these passages are incendiary)/ Required reading lists may be available on the web for past semesters as well as current.

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8zombie on Aug 5, 2009 at 3:22 pm:

#7 anon:

Sounds like an interesting project — for someone else to do! I simply don’t have the nerve (or the time) to interview professors about John Holdren, or to try to track down his previous class assignments. If you get the gumption to do it — go right ahead! I’ll gladly link to whatever you post about it.

But as for me, sorry — my time is unfortunately very limited and I already spent way too much of it on this one little essay!

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9Gaby on Aug 5, 2009 at 10:13 pm:

Obama is not a nazi neither he is a Communist. But his ideology, his lust of power, his believe in being able to impose his and his czar’s will onto the little people (us) is (from my point of view) related to both those ideologies.

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10Gaby on Aug 5, 2009 at 10:14 pm:

And BTW Bakunin, I thought Anarchists did not like the strong government or did their ideology change?

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11Rob De Witt on Aug 6, 2009 at 3:37 pm:

Excellent stuff, Zombie. You are doing absolutely essential journalism, if that largely discredited term can still be applied.

I must say it’s disheartening to realize that there are people who would dismiss Holdren’s and Brown’s public execrations because they occurred in the dim recesses of pre-history - which is to say less than 30 years ago. That kind of thinking makes it seem as if they’re right, and that the body politic is too stupid to govern itself. That’s chilling.

I am of course older than most of you ever plan to get (and the Lefties will certainly do everything they can to make sure you die while you’re still hip,) but I’ve known about the disgusting history of International Leftism all my life, even though much of occurred even before I was born. Erlich/Brown/Holder were spewing this stuff so recently that you can still hear it echo if you hang around the academy for awhile.

All y’all need to wake TF up. And Zombie, my God what a job you’re doing. Hats off.

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12wolfie on Aug 6, 2009 at 3:50 pm:

Excellent report, zombie. Thanks for doing such a thorough, scholarly job on this.

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13Dubya Bee on Aug 6, 2009 at 5:27 pm:

Zombie,

Great work! You are a great example of the potential of the new class of citizen journalists being enabled by the web.

I believe I heard the echoes of your previous story on Holdren rumbling all the way from D.C. You are making a difference.

Bravo!

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14Mescalero on Aug 6, 2009 at 8:02 pm:

This is essential work that needs the widest dissemination. Rest assured that the highest levels of UC Berkeley administration have been made aware of this disgusting Holdren nonsense. I know, because I’m the one who alerted the Berkeley administration on this issue. Let’s just leave it at that and see what the Stalino-Fascist Berkeley faculty does with all of this.

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15Phil on Aug 7, 2009 at 10:13 am:

Check out Holdren on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9BmMfVzCDA

Further into the interview (at about 7:45 into the video), the moderator raises a question about the recommendation of climate alarmist and top NASA climate scientist James Hansen that the chief executives of oil companies to “be tried for their role in spreading disinformation on climate change”. Hansen recommended that they be indicted and tried for “crimes against humanity” if they continue to “dispute” and “to fund contrarians”.

The moderator asked Holdren:

Dr. John Holdren, do you agree with James Hansen’s statement that the CEO’s of large energy companies are guilty of should be tried (sic) for crimes against humanity?
Holdren replied:
I couldn’t really say.I’m not qualified to assess what the heads of oil companies, past or present, have done in this domain. My understanding is that Exxon, in particular, did fund a variety of small think tanks to generate what amounts to propaganda against understanding of what climate change was doing and the human role in causing it. Whether that sort of activity really constitutes crimes against humanity is something for those more embedded in the legal system than I to judge…

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16Bakunin on Aug 7, 2009 at 12:59 pm:

10Gaby

It is not that I am defending or boosting Obama. He is the new boss - same as the old boss. I just don’t find any of this really convincing.

I started looking at the site as a way to see where a movement I am involved in is at. I was horrified at the blatant anti-semetisim in the left movement, justified as anti-imperialism/israelism. I am probably one of the few anarchists who wants jews to be in the holy land, and some of the first jews to immigrate to that area where inspired by socialism/anarchism to create traditional anti-authoritarian communes- the Kibbutz.

I find Zombies post-bush “jornalism” to be less then credible. The couple of posts about the obamas relation to the weathermen where filled with conjecture and half-truths. It’s the same with these reports. “Does all of this amount to nothing more than “guilt by association”? Perhaps.” Well, it is guilt by association, that was my point when I was making my first comments, but people who are of a conservative bend will have made up there mind already- this is just proof on top of what they are thinking, that Obama is a sekret Muslim nazi socialist. It’s not journalism, it’s propaganda.

I also find it somewhat hypocritical, as Bush had plenty of appointments who had crazy scientific ideas- Bush appointments led to policies favoring persudo-science “intelligent design”, and Bushes national security measures is created just as much a “strong government”. They (bush and Obama) are two sides of the same coin. Throw all the bastards out.

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17average_guy on Aug 7, 2009 at 7:21 pm:

I find ABCs post-Bush “journalism” to be less than credible, although if their Government Health Care coverage were labeled as an Infomercial then that would at least be a credible category to put it in. I would estimate that they are getting far more in advertising revenue than Zombie for their efforts, and equally as unfortunate there are far more residents of the USA who are aware of ABC than are aware of Zombie. Indeed, the efforts of the mainstream media may be somewhat partisan overall, at least it seems to to me.

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18Jakob Frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 at 1:13 am:

Mad props for the exposes (can’t type the accent on the “e”) of these racial hygiene proponents that have come from out behind the financiers and big foundations to stand out in the open. Your coverage has been exemplary, indeed.

BTW, anyone know where to get a complete copy of Ecoscience on line in pdf form or used in hard copy for a reasonable price?

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19Scott on Aug 8, 2009 at 7:41 am:

Hi Zombie:

Excellent work as always. I love the depth of these reports. This report allows us to draw our own conclusions. My conclusion, coupled with my knowledge of the other aspects of the Obama/Pelosi agenda, is that those currently in power need to be neutralized. We are seeing the beginnings of government control of the masses in the USA. Holdren and his minions are there to control population and only allow the “right” kind of people to be born, the car czars are there to ensure only the “right” kind of cars are produced, the energy czar is there to make sure only the “right” kind of enegy is produced, the healthcare legislation is designed to ensure that only the “right” kind of people get to live, the government controls the major banks, and so on. I find it frightening that when ordinary citizens begin to wage protests at these town halls, the SEIU and other rabid Obama supporters come out to control THAT activity (essentially the first amendment), while many of our elected representatives turn tail and run. America has fundamentally changed from land of the free and home of the brave to something far different. All of this…Holdren and all of the other czars and administration experts…is designed to shift us from a Democratic Republic founded on Judeo Christian beliefs to something else entirely. Conservative thought will be banished, and by force if necessary, as we are witnessing.

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20pre-Boomer Marine brat on Aug 8, 2009 at 12:43 pm:

Zom,

Good job!

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21Maria on Aug 8, 2009 at 6:35 pm:

Interesting enough of a report. It and the one before reinforces my belief that we need to keep an eye on every proposal (modest or otherwise) that comes out of the pens and mouths of any government appointed individual, not just Holdren. Everyone has skeletons. Some are smellier than others.

As a side note, and as a bit of a devils advocate point, I’ve always felt that practical people look at eugenics proposals and think “How logical!” but practical humane people look at eugenics proposals and think “How horrific.”

@Jacob Frank. Not a PDF or digi form but try your local library, if you live near a metro area county try there. Last resort is an interlibrary loan from the county or a Uni/College. My county doesn’t have it in stock but the county next door did. Maybe you can find a copy and be the one to set the PDF free to roam the wildes?

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22Formercorpsman on Aug 8, 2009 at 7:50 pm:

No, the statement trying to distance himself from the question was ridiculous. I think the body of work Holdren is attached to, is just too much for any rational person to consider him apart from.

The proximity of it all just begs to differ.

Zombie, again, excellent work. I mean that truly.

When you really digest some of these writings, it creates a vivid mental picture.

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23NHTPC on Aug 8, 2009 at 11:40 pm:

Finally many have realized that the Nazis are back in full force and they now control America.

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24Horse on Aug 9, 2009 at 5:09 am:

Zombie has dug up an extensive amount of evidence that John Holdren is the man who believes in the subjects and opinions of his books and speeches. This is important because he has been put into a position of power and responsibility where his beliefs can have significant and adverse affects on all of our society. That he and the current administration he belongs to has to lie and misrepresent Holdren’s beliefs is all the more reason to be concerned about this administrations overreaching policies that take away freedom. Any real anarchist would have a major problem with the coupling of Holdren’s beliefs, position of power and the policies currently being pushed by our federal government.

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25Gaby on Aug 9, 2009 at 9:01 am:

Hi Bakunin,
I am not sure about Bush’es appt. I am also not sure about Zombie’s Obama-Weathermen report (I did not have time to read it carefully). But this Holdren guy is really nuts and kudos to Zombie for making it public. Here is a quote from Holdren that someone brought to Zombie’s attention and Zombie confirmed its authenticity:
“The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being,”

BTW Zombie, I hope for another installment that discusses the quote above.

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26Gaby on Aug 9, 2009 at 9:06 am:

BTW I never saw any suggestions from Zombie that Obama is a Muslim Nazi. He is neither Muslim nor a nazi. But he is a socialist by conviction. My worry is that he is going to inflate already inflated government and suppress individual liberties. And I believe in anarchy - anarchy of the free market, anarchy of individualism as opposed to the group think and government regulations.

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27Gaby on Aug 9, 2009 at 9:10 am:

And about the suppression of liberties - check - http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/
They ask people to squeal on those who criticize the health care plan.
I do not think Bush came even close to anything like that.

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28Dave Surls on Aug 10, 2009 at 2:20 pm:

Do a story on the health care forums.

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29Dave Surls on Aug 10, 2009 at 2:45 pm:

Gaby, I just clicked that link, and I don’t see any way to “squeal” on anyone. They do ask people to report claims and myths about health care reform they’d like to see addressed. Does that alarm you for some reason?

Zombie, you should attend a local health care forum and report back. It would be interesting to see a report on the freak show behavior of some of the protestors.

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30Ken on Aug 10, 2009 at 3:38 pm:

I’d love to see some coverage of right-wing protests. There have got to be at least some. Well, maybe not in Berkeley.

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31zombie on Aug 10, 2009 at 6:19 pm:

#29 Dave Surls

Zombie, you should attend a local health care forum and report back. It would be interesting to see a report on the freak show behavior of some of the protestors.

#30 Ken
I’d love to see some coverage of right-wing protests. There have got to be at least some. Well, maybe not in Berkeley.

As far as I know, there are no health care forums nor right-wing protests in my area. At least I have never seen any nor become aware of any. Sorry! I live in the nexus of leftism in the U.S.

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32average_guy on Aug 10, 2009 at 8:23 pm:

Zombie:

I guess it will be up to us to take our cameras and do some reporting then. You’ve set the gold standard for citizen reporting, and if we’ve been paying close enough attention perhaps we can emulate you to a degree. My two Senators have no town Hall Meetings scheduled, nor does my HR member, but if that changes I will post on them.

hourglass1941 has some pics and video of an approximately 10,000 strong protest at the Ohio Statehouse on August 1st; her posting is from August 2nd on the blog: http://hourglass1941.blogspot.com/

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33Dane on Aug 10, 2009 at 9:53 pm:

Good stuff. Very thorough.

Unfortunately, the more irrefutable your presentation is, the more some folks will stretch to discount it if it doesn’t agree with what they want to believe. I’m somewhat amazed there hasn’t been a “You’re taking things out of context” post yet.

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34bluestate blues on Aug 11, 2009 at 8:04 am:

i’d love to get your take on the ‘angry-mob’ situation.

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35Anonymous on Aug 11, 2009 at 11:00 am:

Once again a factual tour de force.

Excellent work, zombie

sjh

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36bluestate blues on Aug 11, 2009 at 1:58 pm:

every time dem officials try to ‘explain’ themselves in the media, they always end up saying something else to enrage any debaters. just saw o’s show on healthcare this afternoon, was just another campaign speech. he never touched on specific issues in the bill, & that crowd was so hand-picked, you know this is the act of a desperate man. state media tries so hard to cover for him, but thankfully most are seeing thru it. poor claire mc caskill, she looks like a deer in the headlights up there attempting to defend herself from all the ‘unjust un-american attacks.’

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37Ken on Aug 11, 2009 at 3:13 pm:

#32

I thought there were some pretty good signs in that link:

“Czars? I didn’t vote for any Czars!”

“Grow your own dope: Plant a politician!” (my personal favorite)

No one can say the right doesn’t have a sense of humor.

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38average_guy on Aug 12, 2009 at 5:25 am:

#37 Ken, thanks for the comments, they did a good job with the pics and video there.

No pics and video from this Town Hall:

Brown taking part in health-care talk
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:12 AM

Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, will speak at 10:15 a.m. today about health care at the Ohio State University Biomedical Research Tower, 460 W. 12th Ave., Room 115A. Brown will be part of a panel discussion on health reform. Limited seating for the public is available.

The Democratic National Committee is trying to get backers of President Barack Obama to attend, saying in an e-mail blast that “this is an ideal opportunity to make sure your support for health insurance reform is seen and heard at exactly the right time.”

I won’t even be able to get into the hallway for this one. You’ll see pics on the mainstream media since it is set up like one of the Barack town hals meetings, stacked with supporters.

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39Gaby on Aug 12, 2009 at 6:10 am:

Dave,
They did not seem to have changed anything, but I do think that they encourage squealing. And I think that the main purpose of this “announcement” was to intimidate the opponents of Health Care nationalization reform.
Why otherwise they would want to come up with such strange suggestion. If they wanted to know what people think about it, they could have researched the web themselves. right?
Also pay attention to “flag” in the email address?
Flag thy neighbor lest though be flagged first!

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40Starless on Aug 12, 2009 at 7:00 am:

Zombie,

One thing I’m scratching my head over in this is essay is the phrase, “person to control science and technology policy in the United States”. Are you suggesting that Holdren is now the decision-maker for national science and technology policy?

#29 Dave Surls

If you’ve paid any attention to the whole McCarthy-ite healthcare enemies list issue you’d know damn well that the page Gaby linked includes the e-mail address for squealing. If your purposeful ignorance is a way of saying that the WH is innocently trying to correct misrepresentations on the Internet and therefore flag@whitehouse is not a place for squealing but “informing”, just remember that one of the biggest lies in history is the statement, “I’m from the federal government and I’m here to help you”. (Along with the more personal historically persistent lies, “I love you” and “Honestly, baby, this has never happened before”.)

#39 Gaby

Suggested new insult: “Go flag yourself!”

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41laura on Aug 12, 2009 at 1:40 pm:

One thing I noticed was that insemination and abortion were the means of population control - as if the “breeders” weren’t actually having sex in a normal relationship. Made me wonder. Are these women selected as “breeders” treated like dogs for a puppie mill?? Are they in cages waiting to be inseminated by the “approved” sperm??

I mean, these breeders couldn’t be just indiscriminately choosing with whom to have sex - and those people not having been sterilized. Because, after all, insemination would be the preferred method of this “great society” to produce the livestock (I mean babies) of the next generation.

Sick, huh?? Viewing human beings as livestock to be managed - treating women as “breeders” to be inseminated at the direction of the “population panel”?? You know, of course, with this level totalitarian control - the desire to create the “super race” and just produce a “final solution” to purge the world of the “undesirables” would not/could not be restrained. But it would be for the “greater good” of creating a pure race, of course.

OK, anyway, let me say this. You will find on the internet people warning you that a central group of global bankers and corporatists - who are eugenecists with ties to the eugenics movements that were around in the US supporting Hitler in his day (and from around the world als)… are the ones truly in control of our government at this time.

It’s called the “New World Order”. Check it out. You’ll be amazed. It’s real. They’re, quite basically, the 4th Reich - and they are running our government - controlling Obama and the administration as well as Congress and the Supreme Court. Just check it out. Population control is a big factor. Except, they are clear they want a 90% reduction by force - ASAP. And re-think the FEMA camps built and being built across the USA… because that’s real too.

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42Scott on Aug 12, 2009 at 4:43 pm:

To #40 Starless:

This might help. From the publication, Nature: An elite group of 21 US researchers met publicly for the first time last week as the new advisory panel to US President Barack Obama on scientific and technical matters. But despite an enthusiastic inaugural meeting, it will take time to know how effective the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology (PCAST) will be.

PCAST has already put together its first report, on the government’s H1N1 pandemic strategy. Other topics likely to be high on its agenda include how science can help the economic recovery, and how best to deliver on Obama’s ambitious climate and energy research portfolio.

Opening the meeting on 6 August, co-chair John Holdren called the council “a spectacular cast of leaders of our science, technology and innovation communities”. Holdren, who is Obama’s chief science adviser, chairs PCAST with Harold Varmus, former director of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, and Eric Lander, director of the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The full group boasts three Nobel laureates and 16 members of the national academies of science, engineering or medicine.

I’m sure Zombie has something to say as well.

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43Bakunin on Aug 12, 2009 at 8:59 pm:

“It’s called the “New World Order”. Check it out. You’ll be amazed. It’s real. They’re, quite basically, the 4th Reich - and they are running our government - controlling Obama and the administration as well as Congress and the Supreme Court. Just check it out. Population control is a big factor. Except, they are clear they want a 90% reduction by force - ASAP. And re-think the FEMA camps built and being built across the USA… because that’s real too.”

See, this is the craziness I was talking about. “Harrison Brown was a eugenicist; Holdren worshipped Harrison Brown” will lead to “Obama is a nazi” even if that are not intended.

This meme is already being taken up by the super crazy Glen Beck:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34433_Video-_Glenn_Beck_Hitlerfest_Extended_Version

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44Starless on Aug 13, 2009 at 5:08 am:

#41 Laura

There is a particular type of intellectual who sees people not as people but as objects. Hillary Clinton, for example, sees people as socio-political entities. Eugenicists like Holdren and Brown see them as socio-economic entities. Your value to the world as an individual can be measured and quantified, placed into an equation, and your fate should be decided from there. You’re not a human, you’re breeding stock or you’re a “consumer”. In other words, you’re at about the same level as a semi-domesticated animal.

#42 Scott

Thanks. I did see that article and it doesn’t answer my question. I have an understanding of what the role and power of the PCAST and the Assistant to the President for Science and Technolgy (aka “Science Czar”) is and I’m wondering if it’s the same as Zombie’s.

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45Joe on Aug 13, 2009 at 5:56 am:

Andy Stern is the person behind everything happening in Washington DC: Health Care Reform HR3200, Cash For Clunkers, stimulus, election of Barack Obama, appointment of Kathleen Sebelius as HHS Secretary (Andy Stern picks all Obama appointments) - - - Andy Stern runs Barack Obama (Obama is just Andy Stern’s tongue-boy)

Andy Stern took the California schools from #1 to #39 by dumbing-down the teachers

Andy Stern is responsible for California’s budget crisis - Service Employees International Union (SEIU) members retirement package is bankrupting California - Andy Stern is the President of SEIU

Through intimidation, busing, threats, retaliation, SEIU funds, and outright fraud, Andy Stern has controlled the election of only (socialist) democrats to the CA House and Senate for more than 20 years (he allows Republican Governors because only the House and Senate control the money, courts, and laws)

Through HR3200 Andy Stern is 1 vote away from controlling the United States of America

Andy Stern told democrat House and Senate officials he guarantees their permanent re-election if they pass HR3200

If HR3200 passes the US Government needs to hire nearly 10 million Administrators to police the Health Care System - every one of those Administrators will be SEIU members

English citizens and politicians are prevented by the 1.4 million health care workers union from dumping their disastrous health care system

Andy Stern’s ambition is to rule the world!

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46Magic Puzzle Box on Aug 13, 2009 at 12:39 pm:

Thanks for posting all this information since no one else is paying attention. Reading it over, three things strike me. One, your question on why someone would say this only 9 years after the end of the Nazis. My suggestion to you is to research where the ex-Nazis all went who weren’t nabbed by Nuremburg because your findings may be a bit surprising and none too comforting. Next, why would we need “artificial inseminations” in the first place? If women had to be allowed to have such inseminations in the first place, where would the babies come from that needed aborting? It just strikes me as odd that sex has been eliminated from this totalitarian worldview.

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47Anonymous on Aug 13, 2009 at 4:55 pm:

Excellent reporting, as always, zombie. Why haven’t you gone professional with this, yet? I am sure you would find employment easily with this resume.

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48Alter_EGO on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:38 pm:

Good Job Zombie, it’s very interesting! As a european, the imagine that I have of this new USA administration is such edulcorated that I can’t believe how much people wants to sanctify it already…
I really liked the “(Global Warming anyone?)” part, I’m really worried about how the eco-message now is used, confirmed and reinforced everywere, and people seems ready to sacrifice money and freedom (possibly not theirs) for that…
Also, I dare to suggest you to read “Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-1944″. I’m translating from Italian, I hope is correct.
It’s about some private conversations of Hitler and his guests for dinner, reported by Martin Bormann (Hitler’s secretay).I’ve read only some extracts, the book probably is mostly a boring delirium. But there are some point that I found odd… Hitler’s opinion on ecology, on vegetarianism, smoking, the man ar responsible of earth’s problem…
I was already disturbed by the propaganda techniques used by the Global Worming fans, and also by some parallels between ecologism (the real one, not that light-but-still-dangerous greenwashing that we hear every day) and some totalitarian movements… now that I’ve read your essay I’m even more nauseated!

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49J on Aug 14, 2009 at 8:57 pm:

I believe the concentration camp stuff is in reference to H.R. 1388, otherwise known as The G.I.V.E. Act, and Obama’s concept of mandatory volunteerism:

http://www.redstate.com/hogan/2009/03/25/promoting-statism-in-the-name-of-service/

http://www.e3gazette.com/2009/03/hr-1388-is-arbeit-macht-frei-too-strong.html

http://www.breitbart.tv/audio-unearthed-obama-in-his-own-words-wants-mandatory-civil-or-military-service/

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50Dave Surls on Aug 17, 2009 at 7:43 pm:

#40, here’s a link you might find useful:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

This site used to mock paranoid and delusional protesters. Now it attracts them.

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51Anonymous on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:10 am:

Thanks for the hard work on this article. Well done.

“Is there anything that can be done to prevent the long-range degeneration of human stock? Unfortunately, at the present time there is little, other than to prevent breeding in persons who present glaring deficiencies clearly dangerous to society and which are known to be of a hereditary nature. Thus we could sterilize or in other ways discourage the mating of the feeble-minded. We could go further and systematically attempt to prune from society, by prohibiting them from breeding, persons suffering from serious inheritable forms of physical defects, such as congenital deafness, dumbness, blindness, or absence of limbs.”

Complete insanity.
Blindness? The absence of limbs? PHYSICAL defects (meaning that they do not inhibit mental capacity)? Although I am not an admirer of celebrities for the sake of fame; I’d like an explanation of how these people do not contribute to society and are nothing more than “damaged stock”?
http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/famous-blind.shtml
http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/article_0060.shtml

And this piece of trash simply reeks of racial and social innuendo:
“Although there are admittedly numerous individual fluctuations, it does appear that the feeble-minded, the morons, the dull and backward, and the lower-than-average persons in our society are outbreeding the superior ones at the present time. Indeed, it has been estimated that the average Intelligence Quotient of Western population as a whole is probably decreasing significantly with each succeeding generation. ”

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“Traffic accidents tend to remove the reckless, the inattentive, and persons unable to judge time and distance at high speeds. Among children as well as adults, accidents of all types tend to remove from society persons who cannot obey instructions or heed warnings. General pressures of living tend to select in favor of persons who can adjust themselves to city and to factory life. Among the laboring groups, selection effects favor those who can work with groups and who can follow instructions meticulously.”
Brown’s clouded references to ‘natural selection’. Make up your mind Brown. Are the ‘unfit masses’ defying natural selection even so?
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Does accumulated wisdom not play any part in the assessment of intelligence? To cut short a life before any wisdom is gleaned, is a crime against humanity.

Holdren has indeed incriminated at least his reputation by association and his disgusting idolization of Brown.
Holdren and Brown seemingly present with classic symptoms of Ochlophobia (An abnormal fear of crowds.). I wonder if they were ever analyzed?
If they did in fact suffer from Ochlophobia, they would indeed themselves, be selectively removed from the ‘breeding stock”.
Maggots indeed.
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looking for disaster
thinking in all or nothing terms.

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