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		<title>By: شات كتابي</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and America is the most immature country and eventually we’ll all grow up and become all for socialized medicine but for now the US is a whiney teenager “I donwanna pay for her, she’s fat…it’s not my fault…mind your own business…but it’s not faaaiiiir, whaa”.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and America is the most immature country and eventually we’ll all grow up and become all for socialized medicine but for now the US is a whiney teenager “I donwanna pay for her, she’s fat…it’s not my fault…mind your own business…but it’s not faaaiiiir, whaa”.</p>
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		<title>By: cheap carte sdhc 32gb</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1285#comment-86837</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved these five cars:-
1.Aston Martin DB9
2.Aston Martin DB7( yes this car is almost sexually attractive)
3.Bentley Continental GT
4.Weissman Roadster(not what you would call a luxury car but looks damn good parked in front of a stately home)
5.Any Morgan(for the same reasons as the weissman)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved these five cars:-<br />
1.Aston Martin DB9<br />
2.Aston Martin DB7( yes this car is almost sexually attractive)<br />
3.Bentley Continental GT<br />
4.Weissman Roadster(not what you would call a luxury car but looks damn good parked in front of a stately home)<br />
5.Any Morgan(for the same reasons as the weissman)</p>
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		<title>By: Reggie Dunlop</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is not equal protection before the law, and now that I think about it, neither is the progressive income tax.  Woodrwo Wilson and 1913 were the beginning of our leftward slide in the US, and it&#039;s time we start heading back to the rule of law as opposed to the idea of &quot;fairness.&quot;  And whose idea of fairness are we seeking to emulate anyhow?  It seems that it is a quasi-Marxist ideal of what is fair that &quot;progressives&quot; (God they make me sick) feel, not think is what is being foisted upon us.  Time to buy some more ammo.  Cripes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not equal protection before the law, and now that I think about it, neither is the progressive income tax.  Woodrwo Wilson and 1913 were the beginning of our leftward slide in the US, and it&#8217;s time we start heading back to the rule of law as opposed to the idea of &#8220;fairness.&#8221;  And whose idea of fairness are we seeking to emulate anyhow?  It seems that it is a quasi-Marxist ideal of what is fair that &#8220;progressives&#8221; (God they make me sick) feel, not think is what is being foisted upon us.  Time to buy some more ammo.  Cripes.</p>
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		<title>By: Skid</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1285#comment-85505</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So basically, the issue is that a small fine isn&#039;t sufficient to deter people who spend that much on lunch every day, and wealth proportionate fines are unconstitutional.  Removing the right to drive probably isn&#039;t an issue to people of that wealth level, they&#039;ll just hire somebody else to drive their car for them. Impounding the vehicle isn&#039;t a problem, another one can simply be rented. The remaining option of throwing them in jail for a night seems most appropriate because it cuts into things that all people have an equal share of: time and dignity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically, the issue is that a small fine isn&#8217;t sufficient to deter people who spend that much on lunch every day, and wealth proportionate fines are unconstitutional.  Removing the right to drive probably isn&#8217;t an issue to people of that wealth level, they&#8217;ll just hire somebody else to drive their car for them. Impounding the vehicle isn&#8217;t a problem, another one can simply be rented. The remaining option of throwing them in jail for a night seems most appropriate because it cuts into things that all people have an equal share of: time and dignity.</p>
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		<title>By: germaninspain</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1285#comment-85384</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A an european, my personal estimation is that actually the average fine for a &quot;medium&quot; infraction (no loss of points) represent betweens 10% and 20% of a months income for the average worker or employee and I live in a country where no fines are imposed on the base of income . Since most of society considers this as not fair, there is a feeling and disposition to accept fines based on income. And by the way, be assured that there is (will be) a minimum fine indepent of income that still will hurt unemployed more than anyone who works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A an european, my personal estimation is that actually the average fine for a &#8220;medium&#8221; infraction (no loss of points) represent betweens 10% and 20% of a months income for the average worker or employee and I live in a country where no fines are imposed on the base of income . Since most of society considers this as not fair, there is a feeling and disposition to accept fines based on income. And by the way, be assured that there is (will be) a minimum fine indepent of income that still will hurt unemployed more than anyone who works.</p>
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		<title>By: Kowa B</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1285#comment-85329</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anybody who is saying &quot;then I&#039;ll quit my job and go 200mph wherever I go&quot; clearly doesn&#039;t, as people here are so fond of saying, &quot;get it&quot;. Obviously there are minimum fines in Europe for those who are unemployed, etc; you&#039;re just trying to be evasive. 

More importantly, traffic fines and things of this nature are, in effect, a tax on undesirable behavior (dangerous driving). Simple supply-side economics. It is the same argument that says taxing income less will be an incentive for people to spend more money (and therefore employ more people). On the other hand, with driving tickets, we are trying to do the opposite; provide a disincentive to drive dangerously. Therefore, we the fine needs to be a proper disincentive for them to not drive dangerously. In other words, the taxes, to be most effective, should be based on percentage of income, not a flat rate for everybody. 

traffic fines aren&#039;t a &quot;punishment&quot; for say, they&#039;re a tax on bad driving. It doesn&#039;t matter if the person is making more money because they work harder or that the fact that they are speeding has nothing to do with their income. In the same way, how hard you work for your income, and what your job is are inconsequential when we ask for tax cuts, because we want wealthy people to spend their money and stimulate the economy, instead of having it taxed and wasted by the government. That&#039;s called economics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who is saying &#8220;then I&#8217;ll quit my job and go 200mph wherever I go&#8221; clearly doesn&#8217;t, as people here are so fond of saying, &#8220;get it&#8221;. Obviously there are minimum fines in Europe for those who are unemployed, etc; you&#8217;re just trying to be evasive. </p>
<p>More importantly, traffic fines and things of this nature are, in effect, a tax on undesirable behavior (dangerous driving). Simple supply-side economics. It is the same argument that says taxing income less will be an incentive for people to spend more money (and therefore employ more people). On the other hand, with driving tickets, we are trying to do the opposite; provide a disincentive to drive dangerously. Therefore, we the fine needs to be a proper disincentive for them to not drive dangerously. In other words, the taxes, to be most effective, should be based on percentage of income, not a flat rate for everybody. </p>
<p>traffic fines aren&#8217;t a &#8220;punishment&#8221; for say, they&#8217;re a tax on bad driving. It doesn&#8217;t matter if the person is making more money because they work harder or that the fact that they are speeding has nothing to do with their income. In the same way, how hard you work for your income, and what your job is are inconsequential when we ask for tax cuts, because we want wealthy people to spend their money and stimulate the economy, instead of having it taxed and wasted by the government. That&#8217;s called economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Vorpar</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What if the poor person works 40 hours per week, and has an income of $20,000 per year. The rich person works 80 hours per week, and has an income of $40,000 per year. With progressive penalties, you&#039;re simply punishing the wealthier person for working harder. As it was stated before, it gives almost complete freedom to someone that doesn&#039;t work, because they would pay almost no fine whatsoever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if the poor person works 40 hours per week, and has an income of $20,000 per year. The rich person works 80 hours per week, and has an income of $40,000 per year. With progressive penalties, you&#8217;re simply punishing the wealthier person for working harder. As it was stated before, it gives almost complete freedom to someone that doesn&#8217;t work, because they would pay almost no fine whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: germaninspain</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beckaholic: I start seeing that in fact there must be a very serious cultural difference between Europe and the US concerning the matter of profession. If you agree, let´s ignore the monetary aspect for the moment, although I think we both accept the fact that no one will perform more without the corresponding financial reward.

Concerning taking pride in the profession – yes of course we do. But talk about it? I studied economics, but I guess my friends would be as much interested in hearing me talk about the problems I solved in my job than I would in hearing them talk about their jobs (lawyers, biologists, etc). This would be of course completely different in a meeting of economists, but I would consider this as a professional exchange of information, not just a casual theme to talk about while having some beers in a bar. 

Personal effort: yes, to make career you must show personal effort and interest in Europe too, besides some level of intriguing and a good portion of luck as elsewhere in the world. Anyhow I start seeing that the social pressure to advance must be much lower in Europe. If a person wants to make career, assume responsibility an advance on any hierarchical ladder, he is free to do so, he will be most welcome. In fact, these persons will be glad about anyone who chooses not to, finally this represents less potential competition. 
Does not choosing the &quot;career option&quot; lead to a personal mediocre potential on the long term? Almost surely, but it also leads to a higher potential in the development of yourself, of your own happiness and personality. Perhaps the question should be: Who do you want to be – a successful professional with high responsibilities or a happy person? Before you say it, yes, I believe that a successful combination of both can be possible, but also very rare.
The effects of this behaviour on any economy? Who moves an economy? Of course the outstanding, high performing individuals who take risks and responsibility are the obvious visual exponent of any company or economy. But who gets the job really done? In my opinion the people working from 8 to 5, no matter their profession, they do their duty, earn their paychecks, fulfil their function in an economy or company and when the job is done they go home with their families without further thinking about their job. Geniuses and outstanding persons are great, but what finally matters is the average worker and employee. Any chain is just as strong as it´s weakest section.

Somehow in Europe (public health care, cheap education and state pensions for retired must help, but are surely not the only reason) it is more acceptable to just settle down, to work below your potential, to find a compromise or balance or however you like to define it between personal and professional live. This is a pure personal choice, personally I am happier reading a book, watching a movie or taking care of the garden than working 12 hours a day in the office to build up a career. If necessary I will work 12 hours, even on weekends, but for me this is the exception, not the rule. My personal professional potential? I still keep reading about economics and in a couple of years I know I will have to take any courses to refresh all I learned on college, or better to say, to update my knowledge, and I will do it since I know that I have to do this if I want to keep my job on the long term. But really, I don´t define myself for having studied economics or the function I have at the company I work at. I really separate sharply between job and private time. And finally, we should be conscious about one fact: If I don´t do it, another one will. 
Some years ago I simply decided against career, responsibility and the economic rewards they inevitably bring with them. I took this decision consciously and freely, I just decided that I could not be the person I want to be and have a career, so I made my decisions – and don´t regret it. I make enough money to live comfortably, I am in a situation I can increase my savings on a monthly basis and can afford to spend my vacations travelling around the world. Should I sacrifice this life for a life of career with all it implies? As heretic as it may sound to you – I won´t. My job is for me a way to reach my objectives, not the objective itself. 

May I propose the theory that Europeans value more the person than the function the person has in society?

You wrote: &quot;That’s why giving “poor” people money to live on is hard for us to swallow. “Poor” should be a temporary state, (and it usually is, we have a very upwardly-mobile society) that one can get out of if they try hard enough.” I think we both agree this is the ideal situation. 
Unfortunately, poverty has many more reasons and is not necessarily a temporary state (at least in Europe), some that even could prevent effectively to come to money, education for example. Chronical sickness. Also structural problems any economy has. 
But my point is another. As an economically thinking person, I ask what is cheaper – giving money to the poor to prevent criminality and the breeding of more poor (in Europe we have a pretty example of how poverty generates more poverty due to lack of education) or spending it on preventing and/or punishing the nasty consequences of poverty – criminality, vandalism and so on? I think this question should be answered, no matter which attitude or political conviction you have towards the problem and if you like the idea or not. 

And to your comfort: I read many times in this blog comments complaining about the influence of European ideas in the US – in Europe specially unions and the left parties complain loud about the Americanization of society, even of education since the introduction of BA and MA degrees, while the conservatives are neither happy about it. Who knows, perhaps in a few centuries both continents / societies meet somewhere in the middle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beckaholic: I start seeing that in fact there must be a very serious cultural difference between Europe and the US concerning the matter of profession. If you agree, let´s ignore the monetary aspect for the moment, although I think we both accept the fact that no one will perform more without the corresponding financial reward.</p>
<p>Concerning taking pride in the profession – yes of course we do. But talk about it? I studied economics, but I guess my friends would be as much interested in hearing me talk about the problems I solved in my job than I would in hearing them talk about their jobs (lawyers, biologists, etc). This would be of course completely different in a meeting of economists, but I would consider this as a professional exchange of information, not just a casual theme to talk about while having some beers in a bar. </p>
<p>Personal effort: yes, to make career you must show personal effort and interest in Europe too, besides some level of intriguing and a good portion of luck as elsewhere in the world. Anyhow I start seeing that the social pressure to advance must be much lower in Europe. If a person wants to make career, assume responsibility an advance on any hierarchical ladder, he is free to do so, he will be most welcome. In fact, these persons will be glad about anyone who chooses not to, finally this represents less potential competition.<br />
Does not choosing the &#8220;career option&#8221; lead to a personal mediocre potential on the long term? Almost surely, but it also leads to a higher potential in the development of yourself, of your own happiness and personality. Perhaps the question should be: Who do you want to be – a successful professional with high responsibilities or a happy person? Before you say it, yes, I believe that a successful combination of both can be possible, but also very rare.<br />
The effects of this behaviour on any economy? Who moves an economy? Of course the outstanding, high performing individuals who take risks and responsibility are the obvious visual exponent of any company or economy. But who gets the job really done? In my opinion the people working from 8 to 5, no matter their profession, they do their duty, earn their paychecks, fulfil their function in an economy or company and when the job is done they go home with their families without further thinking about their job. Geniuses and outstanding persons are great, but what finally matters is the average worker and employee. Any chain is just as strong as it´s weakest section.</p>
<p>Somehow in Europe (public health care, cheap education and state pensions for retired must help, but are surely not the only reason) it is more acceptable to just settle down, to work below your potential, to find a compromise or balance or however you like to define it between personal and professional live. This is a pure personal choice, personally I am happier reading a book, watching a movie or taking care of the garden than working 12 hours a day in the office to build up a career. If necessary I will work 12 hours, even on weekends, but for me this is the exception, not the rule. My personal professional potential? I still keep reading about economics and in a couple of years I know I will have to take any courses to refresh all I learned on college, or better to say, to update my knowledge, and I will do it since I know that I have to do this if I want to keep my job on the long term. But really, I don´t define myself for having studied economics or the function I have at the company I work at. I really separate sharply between job and private time. And finally, we should be conscious about one fact: If I don´t do it, another one will.<br />
Some years ago I simply decided against career, responsibility and the economic rewards they inevitably bring with them. I took this decision consciously and freely, I just decided that I could not be the person I want to be and have a career, so I made my decisions – and don´t regret it. I make enough money to live comfortably, I am in a situation I can increase my savings on a monthly basis and can afford to spend my vacations travelling around the world. Should I sacrifice this life for a life of career with all it implies? As heretic as it may sound to you – I won´t. My job is for me a way to reach my objectives, not the objective itself. </p>
<p>May I propose the theory that Europeans value more the person than the function the person has in society?</p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;That’s why giving “poor” people money to live on is hard for us to swallow. “Poor” should be a temporary state, (and it usually is, we have a very upwardly-mobile society) that one can get out of if they try hard enough.” I think we both agree this is the ideal situation.<br />
Unfortunately, poverty has many more reasons and is not necessarily a temporary state (at least in Europe), some that even could prevent effectively to come to money, education for example. Chronical sickness. Also structural problems any economy has.<br />
But my point is another. As an economically thinking person, I ask what is cheaper – giving money to the poor to prevent criminality and the breeding of more poor (in Europe we have a pretty example of how poverty generates more poverty due to lack of education) or spending it on preventing and/or punishing the nasty consequences of poverty – criminality, vandalism and so on? I think this question should be answered, no matter which attitude or political conviction you have towards the problem and if you like the idea or not. </p>
<p>And to your comfort: I read many times in this blog comments complaining about the influence of European ideas in the US – in Europe specially unions and the left parties complain loud about the Americanization of society, even of education since the introduction of BA and MA degrees, while the conservatives are neither happy about it. Who knows, perhaps in a few centuries both continents / societies meet somewhere in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: Beckaholic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Germaninspain:  Appreciate the response.  Don&#039;t want you to get the impression that we sit around asking each other how much we make.  We don&#039;t and it&#039;s considered crass to volunteer this info.  What we take pride in is what we consider our professions, which means not simply how much money is associated with a job, but how much responsibility we may have, our education levels, how hard we work, and how well we perform our jobs regardless of status or money- it&#039;s more like how valuable we see ourselves to the organization and society at large. Work is viewed as valued and dignified and an admirable thing to spend one&#039;s waking hours doing, regardless of what type of work it is.  There&#039;s an understanding here that to advance one has to give more than the minimum effort (unless you work for a union of course) and that if you settle for minimum effort ( so as to maximize leisure time) you are limiting yourself to mediocre potential in the longer term.  But if you try hard, take on more responsibility and give more, you will advance and compensation will follow.  That&#039;s why giving &quot;poor&quot; people money to live on is hard for us to swallow.  &quot;Poor&quot; should be a temporary state, (and it usually is, we have a very upwardly-mobile society) that one can get out of if they try hard enough.  Being given money for doing nothing takes away the incentive to do better.  Or at least that&#039;s how I thought society was supposed to function- I&#039;m not so sure anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germaninspain:  Appreciate the response.  Don&#8217;t want you to get the impression that we sit around asking each other how much we make.  We don&#8217;t and it&#8217;s considered crass to volunteer this info.  What we take pride in is what we consider our professions, which means not simply how much money is associated with a job, but how much responsibility we may have, our education levels, how hard we work, and how well we perform our jobs regardless of status or money- it&#8217;s more like how valuable we see ourselves to the organization and society at large. Work is viewed as valued and dignified and an admirable thing to spend one&#8217;s waking hours doing, regardless of what type of work it is.  There&#8217;s an understanding here that to advance one has to give more than the minimum effort (unless you work for a union of course) and that if you settle for minimum effort ( so as to maximize leisure time) you are limiting yourself to mediocre potential in the longer term.  But if you try hard, take on more responsibility and give more, you will advance and compensation will follow.  That&#8217;s why giving &#8220;poor&#8221; people money to live on is hard for us to swallow.  &#8220;Poor&#8221; should be a temporary state, (and it usually is, we have a very upwardly-mobile society) that one can get out of if they try hard enough.  Being given money for doing nothing takes away the incentive to do better.  Or at least that&#8217;s how I thought society was supposed to function- I&#8217;m not so sure anymore.</p>
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