The Consulate used to have some part-time staffers, young men who actually handled the access through the locked series of doors. I had reason to believe they were students in the Bay Area who had already received military and, perhaps, security training in the IDF. The regular staffer who handled security for the small office knew me. I had passed by his open office many times on the way to the staffer with whom I usually met. The younger fellows at the door changed frequently and I never got to know them.

I suspect the Consulate had some reason to suspect that there might have been an unfriendly visitor, perhaps in some way related to the strange encounter with the stranger outside the Consulate who seemed to know Dan Kliman’s identity.

That was very strange–and does seem disturbing.

Still, when you look at some of the pictures of Mr. Kliman at demonstrations by hostile groups, it is very likely they got to know who he was. I’m sure he was very well known to many of the regulars in the anti-Israel groups around the area. It’s not totally surprising that somebody who knew him confronted him outside the consulate.

Just the little bit of reading I’ve done, it does seem plausible that he tried to force open a door on an upper floor, tried to jump to the next landing, and fell back into the shaft.

“The way these Muslim religious authorities call for execution of gays is usually by having them thrown from a great height/off a tall building. There is a remarkable resemblance between the method of Kliman’s death and these present-day Muslim religious incitements.”
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The students in Dispatches Channel 4 “Undercover Mosque: The Return” can be viewed debating this precise point here starting at about 1:50:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6a-YgZgwQ8

Also, from the first “Undercover Mosque” video I distinctly recall hearing, “Take that homosexual man and throw him off a mountain.”

I was very active with PAR for several years, knew the staff well, knew many students, and attended their social events. BuzzSaws’s line quotee above is more than a hint about the people at PAR. Anonymous tries to shed light on the school, but BuzzSaw just keeps talking about how anything is possible. This and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.

BuzzSaw uses broad generalizations, then backs them by saying it only takes one person to commit a crime. It’s too much. PAR is not a haven for extremists. It’s an adult learning school filled with people who are language geeks, Arabic descendents and their American loved ones who want to speak with their relatives/in-laws, etc. It’s hurtful to drop hints about the school. People there are already in pain from the accident.

It would be extremely far fetched for this to have been a murder. Let’s see: we’ll get him on the elevator, pry open the doors, throw him down the shaft, leave a building that has a sign-in log and security cameras. Just doesn’t add up.

The most interesting thing I can add that I didn’t see buried in people’s diatribes:

**The elevators at 55 New Montgomery were frequenty in disrepair. The elevators did strange things. An elevator would be out of service for what seemed like long time periods.**

In a Holy City fissured by faith, finding a consensus on anything among Jewish, Christian and Muslim clerics is a near-miraculous occurrence. Yet Jerusalem’s rabbis, priests and imams have united, however briefly, to stop the city’s Gay Pride parade.

For some of their followers, the issue is worth spilling blood over: An unknown extremist Jewish group pasted up signs announcing a $500 “reward” for every gay man or woman killed during the parade, which is scheduled for Nov. 10. Several ultra-orthodox rabbis have vowed to mobilize more than 100,000 protesters to shut down Jerusalem on the day of the parade, and police warn that some groups plan to pelt the marchers with apples jagged with razor blades.

Meanwhile, in a rare display of solidarity with Jewish extremists, an influential Islamic cleric is urging Muslims to stage a simultaneous protest inside the old walled city to draw away Israeli police who would otherwise be shielding the gay parade from harm. “Not only should these homosexuals be banned from holding their parade,” says one Muslim cleric, Sheikh Ibrahim Hassan, who preaches at a mosque near Damascus Gate, “but they should be punished and sent to an isolated place.” Hatred, it seems, can be a bridge to inter-faith harmony.

Gay pride marches have, in fact, been held in Jerusalem for the past five years, prompting only grumbling among the city’s conservatives. Then, last year, an ultra-Orthodox youth waded into the crowd of revelers and slashed three people with a knife. The furor over the parade reveals a long-standing contradiction inside an Israeli culture where secular values compete with fiercely defended religious traditions. Tel Aviv prides itself on its hip, cosmopolitan nightclubs and an easygoing “life is a beach” attitude, while an hour away, in some Jerusalem neighborhoods, ultra-orthodox men still dress in the style of 17th century Poland, with long black waistcoats and beaver-skin hats. Making up one third of the Jewish residents of the Holy City, the ultra-Orthodox ride their own buses, send their kids to religious schools, and close off streets to cars on the Sabbath. Any Tel Aviv visitor wandering into these pious communities in shorts and a T-shirt on the Sabbath has always run the risk of getting clobbered by a rock. But the violence at last year’s Gay Pride parade may have been a sign that the tension between the opposite poles of Israeli identity is rising. . . .

* Find this article at:
* http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1554629,00.html

You know why, Miss Daisy.

But you’re all missing the point: Buzzsawmonkey was trying to pin it on a Muslim simply because the Koran says to kill gays, conveniently forgetting that Jewish and Christian scriptures (if there’s even a difference) say the same thing. Why not jump to the conclusion that it was one of them instead of a Muslim?

There is no instance of any mainstream Christian or Jewish group, or any prominent Christian or Jewish figure, calling for Christians or Jews to kill gays. There are no examples, to my knowledge, of any Christians or Jews who have taken it upon themselves to become private enforcers of any proscriptions against gays.

There are numerous examples of prominent present-day Muslim religious authorities who have called for the deaths of gay people. Most of these Muslim clerics are in the Middle East, but by no means all; some are right here in the US. Some here have not themselves called for the murder of gay people, but have merely endorsed the murderous statements of their Middle Eastern co-religionists. And, of course, the Muslim nations–notably Iran and Saudi Arabia–do, in fact, execute gays for homosexual activity, as does the abomination known as the “Palestinian Authority.”

The way these Muslim religious authorities call for execution of gays is usually by having them thrown from a great height/off a tall building. There is a remarkable resemblance between the method of Kliman’s death and these present-day Muslim religious incitements.

That is why, if the investigating authorities determine that there is a suspicion of foul play where this death is concerned, it is appropriate to investigate a Muslim connection.

James Stenzel has been ill lately. Lots of troublesome physical ailments which won’t go away. He’s been seeing various doctors but they haven’t been able to help much.

Yeah, the Old Testament is all Jewish law, I should have worded my post better.

But you’re all missing the point: Buzzsawmonkey was trying to pin it on a Muslim simply because the Koran says to kill gays, conveniently forgetting that Jewish and Christian scriptures (if there’s even a difference) say the same thing. Why not jump to the conclusion that it was one of them instead of a Muslim? Just because, as Zombie said, it doesn’t seem likely that a Jew or Christian would have done it? Well, it didn’t seem likely that a Jew would have killed Rabin, but…

It’s not right to conclude that it was probably a Muslim simply because it’s written in a book somewhere to kill gays. Let the cops do their work, then examine the evidence and make an educated guess.