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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s &#8220;bitter small-town Americans&#8221; speech at after Getty fundraiser: good, clear audio file now available here!</title>
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		<title>By: zombie</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-270</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Re: 13 Lucius Vorenus on Apr 14, 2008 at 12:35 pm:
For the record, Matier &amp; Ross, at the SF Chronicle, are now claiming that the remarks were taped at the Alex Mehran fundraiser...&lt;/i&gt;
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OK, after extensive research, I just confirmed that the Obama speech  was indeed at the Mehran fundraiser, not at the Getty fundraiser as had been reported earlier. (There were a lot of conflicting claims floating around, but the clincher came when I listened to the entire 50-minute original sound clip, and at one point, almost inaudibly, Obama says [or seems to say], &quot;I&#039;d like to thank Alex....&quot;). The Mehran fundraiser was immediately after the Getty one, and just a few short blocks away -- so the setting of the speech was basically the same.

Because of this, I&#039;ve now updated this post, and also my earlier zombietime report.

Striving for accuracy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Re: 13 Lucius Vorenus on Apr 14, 2008 at 12:35 pm:<br />
For the record, Matier &#038; Ross, at the SF Chronicle, are now claiming that the remarks were taped at the Alex Mehran fundraiser&#8230;</i><br />
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<p>OK, after extensive research, I just confirmed that the Obama speech  was indeed at the Mehran fundraiser, not at the Getty fundraiser as had been reported earlier. (There were a lot of conflicting claims floating around, but the clincher came when I listened to the entire 50-minute original sound clip, and at one point, almost inaudibly, Obama says [or seems to say], &#8220;I&#8217;d like to thank Alex&#8230;.&#8221;). The Mehran fundraiser was immediately after the Getty one, and just a few short blocks away &#8212; so the setting of the speech was basically the same.</p>
<p>Because of this, I&#8217;ve now updated this post, and also my earlier zombietime report.</p>
<p>Striving for accuracy!</p>
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		<title>By: John Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-256</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a couple of people at work that insist that BO is the Second Coming.  I ask them about why BO would hang out with people who bash America and why if BO does not have racist tendencies, he would talk about his grandmother, who is a &quot;Typical White Woman.&quot;

They have no answer.

Shocking.

Not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a couple of people at work that insist that BO is the Second Coming.  I ask them about why BO would hang out with people who bash America and why if BO does not have racist tendencies, he would talk about his grandmother, who is a &#8220;Typical White Woman.&#8221;</p>
<p>They have no answer.</p>
<p>Shocking.</p>
<p>Not.</p>
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		<title>By: zombie</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zombie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom Brady, Johnny Ringo, and Eric, I&#039;m really glad you&#039;re commenting here, and I encourage you to come and leave more comments, and also invite your friends to come over and leave more comments as well.

Nothing discredits a condescending asshole so much as his own words. So rather than me point out how ruinous your attitude is for the Obama campaign, I&#039;ll just relax and let you do my work for me.

C&#039;mon, guys, we all want to hear what you have to say! Keep telling us how right Obama was, or how his words were &quot;taken out of context,&quot; or what ignorant hicks we  are, and forth. You&#039;re essentially all a bunch of mini-Obamas who represent what his supporters really think. You&#039;re doing a great job!

We can just sit back and watch the implosion from afar. Quite a spectacular show!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Brady, Johnny Ringo, and Eric, I&#8217;m really glad you&#8217;re commenting here, and I encourage you to come and leave more comments, and also invite your friends to come over and leave more comments as well.</p>
<p>Nothing discredits a condescending asshole so much as his own words. So rather than me point out how ruinous your attitude is for the Obama campaign, I&#8217;ll just relax and let you do my work for me.</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon, guys, we all want to hear what you have to say! Keep telling us how right Obama was, or how his words were &#8220;taken out of context,&#8221; or what ignorant hicks we  are, and forth. You&#8217;re essentially all a bunch of mini-Obamas who represent what his supporters really think. You&#8217;re doing a great job!</p>
<p>We can just sit back and watch the implosion from afar. Quite a spectacular show!</p>
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		<title>By: Ringo the Gringo</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ringo the Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I defy you to find a factory worker who’s out of a job or a farmer who can’t afford to grow crops who doesn’t feel exactly the way he described.&quot;
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So you think that unemployed factory workers and struggling farmers &quot;...cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment...&quot; etc, as a way to explain their frustrations?

Is it not possible that many Americans are simply in favor of the Second Amendment, are religious because the actually believe in God, and would simply like to see our immigration laws enforced?

Sen. Obama&#039;s remarks reveal a view of working-class Americans as stupid, fearful and racist, clinging to the only things they know; their guns, their superstitions and their bigotry. 

Or as Marx put it, &quot;“Die religion ist das opium des volkes.”

Middle-America is as foreign to Barack Obama as Indonesia is to most middle-Americans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I defy you to find a factory worker who’s out of a job or a farmer who can’t afford to grow crops who doesn’t feel exactly the way he described.&#8221;<br />
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<p>So you think that unemployed factory workers and struggling farmers &#8220;&#8230;cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment&#8230;&#8221; etc, as a way to explain their frustrations?</p>
<p>Is it not possible that many Americans are simply in favor of the Second Amendment, are religious because the actually believe in God, and would simply like to see our immigration laws enforced?</p>
<p>Sen. Obama&#8217;s remarks reveal a view of working-class Americans as stupid, fearful and racist, clinging to the only things they know; their guns, their superstitions and their bigotry. </p>
<p>Or as Marx put it, &#8220;“Die religion ist das opium des volkes.”</p>
<p>Middle-America is as foreign to Barack Obama as Indonesia is to most middle-Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned America</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned America]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for this service, it really took me quite some time to gain access to this actual statement.  Giving people the ability to hear the quote for themselves (albeit without context) and to decide what they think of Obama&#039;s statement without CNN or Fox News blaring opinions in their ears is absolutely admirable.  It does make me a little sad that the original statement is so difficult to find though]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this service, it really took me quite some time to gain access to this actual statement.  Giving people the ability to hear the quote for themselves (albeit without context) and to decide what they think of Obama&#8217;s statement without CNN or Fox News blaring opinions in their ears is absolutely admirable.  It does make me a little sad that the original statement is so difficult to find though</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Ringo</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny Ringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somebody needs to remind you that&#039;s for damn sure...


Maybe he could have phrased it differently but I defy you to find a factory worker who&#039;s out of a job or a farmer who can&#039;t afford to grow crops who doesn&#039;t feel exactly the way he described.  If this is the best you can do to attack the man and his message then I&#039;d say he&#039;s doing just fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody needs to remind you that&#8217;s for damn sure&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe he could have phrased it differently but I defy you to find a factory worker who&#8217;s out of a job or a farmer who can&#8217;t afford to grow crops who doesn&#8217;t feel exactly the way he described.  If this is the best you can do to attack the man and his message then I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s doing just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ringo the Gringo</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ringo the Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’ve got other things to do now, like make sure Obama wins the election.&quot;
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Well, you&#039;ve got your work cut out for you.

Please stop by again some time and remind us dumb fucks how un-elitist you are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve got other things to do now, like make sure Obama wins the election.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Well, you&#8217;ve got your work cut out for you.</p>
<p>Please stop by again some time and remind us dumb fucks how un-elitist you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Brady</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Brady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You guys rock. I love getting to post on message boards where the majority of people are ass kissers and dumb fucks. What Obama said is not anywhere close to making him &quot;elitist&quot;. He&#039;s absolutely right and it&#039;s not insulting or slanderous. I&#039;m guessing that you all love President Bush and everything he stands for, like getting rid of our constitution. So keep posting on message boards. I&#039;ve got other things to do now, like make sure Obama wins the election.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys rock. I love getting to post on message boards where the majority of people are ass kissers and dumb fucks. What Obama said is not anywhere close to making him &#8220;elitist&#8221;. He&#8217;s absolutely right and it&#8217;s not insulting or slanderous. I&#8217;m guessing that you all love President Bush and everything he stands for, like getting rid of our constitution. So keep posting on message boards. I&#8217;ve got other things to do now, like make sure Obama wins the election.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm Room &#187; Bitterness and anti-immigrant attitudes</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bookworm Room &#187; Bitterness and anti-immigrant attitudes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] It turns out that Barack Obama might have been on to something with his bitterness speech. In case you&#8217;ve forgotten, he said: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It turns out that Barack Obama might have been on to something with his bitterness speech. In case you&#8217;ve forgotten, he said: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bill-tb</title>
		<link>http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=11#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill-tb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your hard work exposing the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your hard work exposing the truth.</p>
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